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2021-02-28 5:36:19 PM  
Michigan, Florida with blizzards.
 
2021-02-28 5:37:25 PM  
Not to be THAT guy but permitting exists for a reason. And rescuing wild animals has to be done correctly or said wild animals may endanger a human later.
 
2021-02-28 6:34:59 PM  
You also need a permit to build a house and a license and insurance to drive a car.
 
2021-02-28 6:44:23 PM  
Yeah, that's not why the animals were euthanized, you farking halfwit.

And if she cares so much about caring for animals, she can get a farking permit and do it correctly. But she won't, because people like her would rather wear their martyr cloaks, which means that others will be cleaning up her bullshiat over and over again.
 
2021-02-28 7:25:33 PM  
So in other words, they killed her animals because she didn't line the right pockets.......
 
2021-02-28 7:52:15 PM  
I'm sorry for her, and I know her heart was in the right place, but she's essentially an amateur zookeeper and a hoarder.
 
2021-02-28 7:55:34 PM  
Pay the man.
 
2021-02-28 8:12:33 PM  
Not sure I'd trust anyone who thinks a racoon can get Down Syndrome when it doesn't even have the same number of chromosomes as people.
 
2021-02-28 8:16:16 PM  
Apparently, someone released that news station's Sound Mixing Engineer back into the wild.
 
2021-02-28 8:24:03 PM  
And chances are she didn't know shiat about what deer need to eat in the winter. No, not corn or birdseed or any of that shiat.

She probably killed just as many deer through rumen acidosis as she "rescued."
 
2021-02-28 8:36:17 PM  
TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.
 
2021-02-28 8:43:36 PM  

Kat09tails: TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.


Starvation is part of herd existence. Sorry, it isn't as simple as putting out some food for them.

Supplemental feeding of starving wildlife is an alternative to allowing wildlife species to die. This, however, involves a philosophical question of maintaining wildlife populations at a level above their normal carrying capacity, interfering with nature's checks and balances on populations and encouraging transmission of diseases (bovine tuberculosis). It may also be cost prohibitive. If a feeding program is to be used to maintain a high plane of nutrition it needs to be started early in the winter, continued throughout, and a surplus of food must be provided. If food is not provided (especially in ruminants) until malnutrition is in its advanced stages, the animal will probably die anyway. This is because once food is made available, the ruminant must be able to live in a negative energy balance for up to 2 weeks, before its digestive tract can adjust to the new diet and change to a positive energy balance. Generally, starved ruminants do not eat large quantities of food when sudden access to unlimited food occurs. However, due to an altered microbial population in the stomachs, it is possible to observe mortality in deer when shelled corn is overeaten. The reason for this is that lactic acid from the fermentation of starch accumulates to toxic levels. High quality palatable feed is essential in a feeding program: feed which contains readily available carbohydrates, roughage, minerals, and vitamins. Pelleted formulated feeds are the best ration that can be provided for ruminants. Elk can survive on high quality second or third cutting alfalfa but deer have greater difficulty in obtaining adequate energy from roughages like this that are high in fiber. If baled hay is all that is provided for deer, it must be high quality alfalfa fed at a level where the deer do not have to consume anything but the leaves and small stems.
 
2021-02-28 8:56:42 PM  

Gulper Eel: Kat09tails: TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.

Starvation is part of herd existence. Sorry, it isn't as simple as putting out some food for them.

Supplemental feeding of starving wildlife is an alternative to allowing wildlife species to die. This, however, involves a philosophical question of maintaining wildlife populations at a level above their normal carrying capacity, interfering with nature's checks and balances on populations and encouraging transmission of diseases (bovine tuberculosis). It may also be cost prohibitive. If a feeding program is to be used to maintain a high plane of nutrition it needs to be started early in the winter, continued throughout, and a surplus of food must be provided. If food is not provided (especially in ruminants) until malnutrition is in its advanced stages, the animal will probably die anyway. This is because once food is made available, the ruminant must be able to live in a negative energy balance for up to 2 weeks, before its digestive tract can adjust to the new diet and change to a positive energy balance. Generally, starved ruminants do not eat large quantities of food when sudden access to unlimited food occurs. However, due to an altered microbial population in the stomachs, it is possible to observe mortality in deer when shelled corn is overeaten. The reason for this is that lactic acid from the fermentation of starch accumulates to toxic ...


Something tells me that your living circumstances has never brought you into close contact with wildlife. Baby deer cries are heart-wrenching, little sucker's screaming near your place.. it's not like you have the heart to shoot a baby deer even if you are a hunter (which I'm not).
 
2021-02-28 8:58:42 PM  

brap: Apparently, someone released that news station's Sound Mixing Engineer back into the wild.


Or maybe they were euthanized because they couldn't fend for themselves.
 
2021-02-28 8:59:33 PM  
PETA strikes again....
 
2021-02-28 8:59:40 PM  
Disgusting. They need to euthanize the guys who put the animals down.
 
2021-02-28 9:00:12 PM  

Jackal_N: Michigan, Florida with blizzards.


I feel as though the US has at least three Floridas.  There's Florida-Florida, Dry-Florida (AZ), and Winter-Florida (MI).  I might consider Idaho Mormon-Florida, but I don't hear enough wacky stuff coming out of there.
 
2021-02-28 9:00:14 PM  

Kat09tails: You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.


The problem is that a lot of well meaning people do things like introduce or spread disease in the wild population.

Depending on the animal, diseases are a lot more likely in captive animals.  If you don't know what you're doing, its very easy to spread those diseases to the wild population after cultivating them in captivity.

Raising large animals that aren't afraid of humans is also not great.  Wild animals running up to people because they associate them with food is something that really should be avoided.
 
2021-02-28 9:00:52 PM  

TomDooley: You also need a permit to build a house and a license and insurance to drive a car.


Neither of these things are true.
 
2021-02-28 9:01:05 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Yeah, that's not why the animals were euthanized, you farking halfwit.

And if she cares so much about caring for animals, she can get a farking permit and do it correctly. But she won't, because people like her would rather wear their martyr cloaks, which means that others will be cleaning up her bullshiat over and over again.

oh yes? how many times have people had to clean up her bullshiat?
 
2021-02-28 9:01:26 PM  

Kat09tails: TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.


Eh. You're imputing human thoughts & human-like motives on a wild animal.

You not feeding it isn't a death sentence for it, it just makes it go forage rather than rely on humans to feed it. Foraging is generally better, safer, and more reliable for it than people are. And it may be bleating just to locate its now-dead parent. Unless you're going to take it in & raise it as your own in an extremely unnatural fashion the best thing is to let it figure out how to survive or not on its own.

Animals, especially wild animals, simply have motives and needs and desires that you do not understand. Because you are not a deer. Assuming it needs saving, and that you're the one who needs to save it, is just vanity.
 
2021-02-28 9:01:39 PM  
Michigan's deer have been absolutely desolated by blue tongue and chronic wasting disease.

This random ass woman can't have deer on her property that she's supporting. She's likely directly and indirectly contributing to the spread of those diseases.

Not to mention, farking rabies? Everything the article listed is a rabies vector. She's endangering herself and all of her neighbors.

It might sound cold but leave wildlife alone unless you are specifically trained and permitted to handle said wildlife!
 
2021-02-28 9:01:49 PM  

Gulper Eel: And chances are she didn't know shiat about what deer need to eat in the winter. No, not corn or birdseed or any of that shiat.

She probably killed just as many deer through rumen acidosis as she "rescued."


I was today years old when I learned about rumen acidosis.  Wild.
 
2021-02-28 9:03:45 PM  

GregInIndy: Animals, especially wild animals, simply have motives and needs and desires that you do not understand. Because you are not a deer. Assuming it needs saving, and that you're the one who needs to save it, is just vanity.


THIS.

In the end, wild animals are frankly survival drones. Messing up their patterns and diets is rarely going to help in any way, and will likely directly hinder, unless you are very educated in what the hell you're doing.

Like say the DNR.
 
2021-02-28 9:04:05 PM  
Also, this lady wasn't running a rehabilitation center.

The goal of rehabilitation is to get the animal to a state where you can release it to the wild, where it belongs.  If you're keeping animals that could have been released with proper rehabilitation so that people can pet them (as is mentioned in the article), you're running a petting zoo, not doing rehabilitation.

The reason she didn't get the license is that she had no intention of doing what a licensed rehabber would do.
 
2021-02-28 9:07:11 PM  

Kat09tails: TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.


Nature is astonishingly brutal. There are videos on Youtube of larger animals being dismembered, disembowled and eaten alive by predators, while they somehow do not die. Man seeks to rise above nature's brutality in his own dealings, because the Law of the Jungle only works for a very few - those at the top of the ruthlessness/power curve.

So, nature taking its course is not necessarily a laudable or desirable outcome.
 
2021-02-28 9:08:28 PM  
Not all state authorities are bad.
We had little raccoon show up by our backyard pond after a big summer storm. He was so small and alone and just trying to hide in the bushes.
We called the DNR assuming they'd pick him up and the guy said that he's suppose to shoot him because it's not technically a baby and "grown" raccoons without injury are presumed rabid.
But you could tell he didn't want to shoot a helpless little thing so he gave it the eyeball check "doesn't look rabid to me" and picked it up and took it to an animal rescue and the paperwork said whatever it needed to.
 
2021-02-28 9:09:53 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yeah, that's not why the animals were euthanized, you farking halfwit.

And if she cares so much about caring for animals, she can get a farking permit and do it correctly. But she won't, because people like her would rather wear their martyr cloaks, which means that others will be cleaning up her bullshiat over and over again.


That and not having her do it correctly encourages even more people to make pretend zoos, causing even more problems.
 
2021-02-28 9:16:19 PM  

JungleBoogie: Nature is astonishingly brutal. There are videos on Youtube of larger animals being dismembered, disembowled and eaten alive by predators, while they somehow do not die.

So, nature taking its course is not necessarily a laudable or desirable outcome.


Nature wastes very little.  In your example, the animal being dismembered is also being used as food for the predator and their young.  The scraps left over will be eaten by the scavengers or decompose into the soil to feed the trees/grass.Nature taking its course, while making humans feel bad temporarily, is the desired outcome.   It keeps the herds healthier, keeps the predators/prey in balance without destroying their habitats.
 
2021-02-28 9:18:19 PM  

0z79: Something tells me that your living circumstances has never brought you into close contact with wildlife. Baby deer cries are heart-wrenching, little sucker's screaming near your place.. it's not like you have the heart to shoot a baby deer even if you are a hunter (which I'm not).


Nice completely wrong assumption.

I've lived in deer (and deer tick) country all my life. I can count on at least one fawn being born out behind my back yard pretty much every year.

I can also count on the deer starving by the dozens out in the woods, quite a few hit by cars, a whole bunch mauled by coyotes, and generations of my neighbor hunters bringing venison home.

I can also see where they've chewed the forest understory to shreds, wrecking the biodiversity and leaving no place for the other woodland creatures to eat and shelter.

They're rats living off 70 years of Disney publicity.
 
2021-02-28 9:20:32 PM  
I bet the raccoon has been pretty Downs about the whole thing.

Anyway it sounds like she was well aware of the permit but didn't get one, but now intends to get one.

Hall said there is a wait list to get a wildlife rehabilitation permit, and if she is convicted of this charge she may not be able to get a license at all.

Some people will ignore instruction until they get hit by the consequences, so it looks like that's the only real thing they could have done.
 
2021-02-28 9:20:50 PM  
What could possibly go wrong keeping multiple wild animal species living in proximities that aren't found in nature and then letting ppl come touch everything?

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2021-02-28 9:23:15 PM  

Kat09tails: TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.


I choose to do something...

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2021-02-28 9:23:51 PM  

TomDooley: You also need a permit to build a house and a license and insurance to drive a car.


But if I drive without a license, do they shoot me or the car?
 
2021-02-28 9:25:11 PM  

felching pen: TomDooley: You also need a permit to build a house and a license and insurance to drive a car.

But if I drive without a license, do they shoot me or the car?


Depends. What color is your skin?
 
2021-02-28 9:25:52 PM  
Just wondering why so many seem to be flat ignoring this statement:

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2021-02-28 9:27:09 PM  

iheartscotch: Not to be THAT guy but permitting exists for a reason. And rescuing wild animals has to be done correctly or said wild animals may endanger a human later.


In theory, I agree with you.

In practice, I've gotten many permits for many things and there is really no correlation between how reasonable it is to require a permit, the risks involved, or even a reasonable justification for the cost of the permit.

This is Michigan, right? It's very clear from their requirements are b.s.

Applicants must provide detailed explanations of their prior experience, a letter of recommendation from a licensed wildlife rehabilitator, and a letter from a licensed rehabilitator stating that they will mentor the applicant. The application must include descriptions of facilities, planned practices and proof of a licensed veterinarian agreeing to assist them. strongly suggest applicants interested in rehabilitation of wild animals join one of their rehabilitation organizations.

This isn't about safety, even if they was the original intent. This is a government enforced monopoly/boys club/whatever you want to call it.

You can't get a job with someone saying they are your buddy and will look at for you.

And if this list is to be trusted, there are about 60 people in the entire state that are licensed. You need one to give you a letter of recommendation, and one to agree to 'mentor' you.

https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/dlr/
 
2021-02-28 9:30:23 PM  

New Rising Sun: Jackal_N: Michigan, Florida with blizzards.

I feel as though the US has at least three Floridas.  There's Florida-Florida, Dry-Florida (AZ), and Winter-Florida (MI).  I might consider Idaho Mormon-Florida, but I don't hear enough wacky stuff coming out of there.


The dozens of people in Idahorida pretty much keep to themselves, fortunately.
 
2021-02-28 9:32:37 PM  

felching pen: New Rising Sun: Jackal_N: Michigan, Florida with blizzards.

I feel as though the US has at least three Floridas.  There's Florida-Florida, Dry-Florida (AZ), and Winter-Florida (MI).  I might consider Idaho Mormon-Florida, but I don't hear enough wacky stuff coming out of there.

The dozens of people in Idahorida pretty much keep to themselves, fortunately.


That's a shame, that's a name born for creative marketing.
 
2021-02-28 9:35:15 PM  

iheartscotch: Not to be THAT guy but permitting exists for a reason.


Not to be that guy, but if you read the article I did, it includes her claim to have submitted her permit application.

If that's true, seems like she's entitled to a little more due process.
 
2021-02-28 9:38:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: iheartscotch: Not to be THAT guy but permitting exists for a reason. And rescuing wild animals has to be done correctly or said wild animals may endanger a human later.

In theory, I agree with you.

In practice, I've gotten many permits for many things and there is really no correlation between how reasonable it is to require a permit, the risks involved, or even a reasonable justification for the cost of the permit.

This is Michigan, right? It's very clear from their requirements are b.s.

Applicants must provide detailed explanations of their prior experience, a letter of recommendation from a licensed wildlife rehabilitator, and a letter from a licensed rehabilitator stating that they will mentor the applicant. The application must include descriptions of facilities, planned practices and proof of a licensed veterinarian agreeing to assist them. strongly suggest applicants interested in rehabilitation of wild animals join one of their rehabilitation organizations.

This isn't about safety, even if they was the original intent. This is a government enforced monopoly/boys club/whatever you want to call it.

You can't get a job with someone saying they are your buddy and will look at for you.

And if this list is to be trusted, there are about 60 people in the entire state that are licensed. You need one to give you a letter of recommendation, and one to agree to 'mentor' you.

https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/dlr/


If it had been a license to operate a for-profit business, like a lemonade stand, I would agree. But I don't imagine wild animal rehabilitation organisations are exactly rolling in the cash enough that they need to protect their industry from competition.
 
2021-02-28 9:39:05 PM  

Gulper Eel: They're [ed: deer] rats living off 70 years of Disney publicity.


No one mounts rat heads on their wall.
 
2021-02-28 9:39:10 PM  
Easy to talk shiat about them being dangerous to humans or supporting more than the area's carrying capacity after you ruin most of their habitat.

Shoulda let the buck trample a few hunters, its only fair.
 
2021-02-28 9:40:41 PM  

tekmo: iheartscotch: Not to be THAT guy but permitting exists for a reason.

Not to be that guy, but if you read the article I did, it includes her claim to have submitted her permit application.

If that's true, seems like she's entitled to a little more due process.


Can you point that part out. All I can see is that she mentions there's a waitlist, but nowhere can I see her saying she's on that waitlist.
 
2021-02-28 9:43:49 PM  

Gulper Eel: 0z79: Something tells me that your living circumstances has never brought you into close contact with wildlife. Baby deer cries are heart-wrenching, little sucker's screaming near your place.. it's not like you have the heart to shoot a baby deer even if you are a hunter (which I'm not).

Nice completely wrong assumption.

I've lived in deer (and deer tick) country all my life. I can count on at least one fawn being born out behind my back yard pretty much every year.

I can also count on the deer starving by the dozens out in the woods, quite a few hit by cars, a whole bunch mauled by coyotes, and generations of my neighbor hunters bringing venison home.

I can also see where they've chewed the forest understory to shreds, wrecking the biodiversity and leaving no place for the other woodland creatures to eat and shelter.

They're rats living off 70 years of Disney publicity.


Ahh... so, you're just cold? Gotcha.
 
2021-02-28 9:45:02 PM  

dyhchong: tekmo: iheartscotch: Not to be THAT guy but permitting exists for a reason.

Not to be that guy, but if you read the article I did, it includes her claim to have submitted her permit application.

If that's true, seems like she's entitled to a little more due process.

Can you point that part out. All I can see is that she mentions there's a waitlist, but nowhere can I see her saying she's on that waitlist.


That implies that she's on the waitlist. If there's no evidence to the contrary then it's inappropriate to say she hasn't applied or doesn't intend to. Ultimately the article isn't clear on that, it's up to everyone to decide how judgmental we want to be.
 
2021-02-28 9:45:41 PM  

JungleBoogie: : Nature is astonishingly brutal. There are videos on Youtube of larger animals being dismembered, disembowled and eaten alive by predators, while they somehow do not die.

So, nature taking its course is not necessarily a laudable or desirable outcome.

SpaceyCat: Nature wastes very little.  In your example, the animal being dismembered is also being used as food for the predator and their young.  The scraps left over will be eaten by the scavengers or decompose into the soil to feed the trees/grass.Nature taking its course, while making humans feel bad temporarily, is the desired outcome.   It keeps the herds healthier, keeps the predators/prey in balance without destroying their habitats.


My observation was not about the human, but about the brutality and suffering the animal experiences.

Some people wish to discount that entirely, writing animals off as biomachines no different than a potato or mushroom. My observation indicates they are sentients capable of significant suffering. Thus, while it is natural that they suffer like this, I don't think it's an optimal situation.

Human suffering is natural as well, and we try to mitigate that.
 
2021-02-28 9:46:54 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: This isn't about safety, even if they was the original intent. This is a government enforced monopoly/boys club/whatever you want to call it.


FFS, no its not.

It's about making sure that people don't breed diseases in captivity and then release them to the wild.

Raising wild animals such that they don't get diseased in captivity and will be able to survive post release is HARD.  It requires a lot of knowledge.  They're trying to make sure that they can at least have some reason to believe that their rehabbers know what they're doing and don't released diseased animals into wild populations.

Seriously, there are A LOT of diseases that are easy to cultivate on captive wild animals.  Go read about diseases that deer carry and note how many are associated with captivity, or conditions that animals are much more likely to encounter in captivity.
 
2021-02-28 9:48:18 PM  

TomDooley: You also need a permit to build a house and a license and insurance to drive a car.


New Hampshire wants you to hold it's beer.  Pretty sure you don't need insurance in other states as well.
 
2021-02-28 9:48:44 PM  

Kat09tails: TBH this thing happens quite a bit. I've known several farmers over the years who have had deer fawns show up starving to death after mom gets nailed by a car near their farm. They try do the right thing and call the state, only to have the state tell them that "nature has to take it's course" because all the rehab places are full and there are bigger priorities than dead fawn walking. Meanwhile this baby animal is literally wandering around their yard screaming for food or it's mother.

You can let nature take it's course and watch this animal starve to death or you can choose to do something and break the law.


Or you can shoot the deer and have Bambi Con Carne.

....aisle seat please.

NB: this is sarcasm.
 
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