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2021-02-28 11:41:07 AM  
32 votes:
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That's not a robot dog, that's a robot pig.
 
2021-02-28 12:31:10 PM  
25 votes:
Is the best response to "the police get too much funding" really to buy a robot dog?
 
2021-02-28 12:34:12 PM  
20 votes:
NYPD didn't watch Black Mirror, eh?

Or they did, which is much worse.

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2021-02-28 2:05:25 PM  
15 votes:
 
2021-02-28 3:08:18 PM  
12 votes:
Cops have cameras on every street corner, GPS trackers, stingers to steal your cell info, automatic license plate readers to keep track of every car they see... but this robot dog raises privacy concerns.  Horse is out of the barn, people.
 
2021-02-28 3:13:43 PM  
11 votes:
We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance
 
2021-02-28 3:58:34 PM  
10 votes:
I really do think this is a dumb hill for AOC to die on, and one of those things that bothers me about her when she just figures out how she can tie a news item to an issue.

1. Look, it keeps cops or others out of situations where they may escalate it or get hurt. Its just so happens people caught it on camera this time. That keeps people from getting hurt, saves the city money, etc. One of the biggest reasons i bought a farking drone is so i don't have to drag the ladder out as much.

This thing has been used successfully in the past with positive results.

2. NYC is already wired up the wazzoo with cameras, sensors, you name it. Not quite london levels on the public front, but EVERY farking building in the city has a camera outside, all over the inside, etc. The city has plenty of its own shiat as well.

3. Call me when they strap a gun to it, give it autonomous control, or just have them roving the streets in packs. Then maybe we can talk. For now, its a bomb robot that can do stairs a bit better.
 
2021-02-28 4:15:05 PM  
8 votes:

leeksfromchichis: LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.

That's the problem.

The city paid public services money for it instead of something not from a dystopian wank fantasy.

The actual cost is irrelevant.  A penny is infinitely too expensive morally, till the rest of society is fixed.


So like, we should spend 0 dollars on anything else until the issue at the top of your head at the moment is solved to your liking?
 
2021-02-28 3:14:05 PM  
8 votes:
What kind of dumbshiat system would rather spend the money on policing than upfront on education and social justice. Seems kinda backwards.
 
2021-02-28 2:49:20 PM  
8 votes:
I am 100% stealing the first cop bot I see on the street.
And I will mount its head upon my wall
 
2021-02-28 2:47:44 PM  
8 votes:

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https://twitter.com/LenKusov/status/13​64640007101775872?s=20


Which will be considered murdering a law enforcement officer and punished accordingly.
 
2021-02-28 4:17:07 PM  
7 votes:

LineNoise: leeksfromchichis: LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.

That's the problem.

The city paid public services money for it instead of something not from a dystopian wank fantasy.

The actual cost is irrelevant.  A penny is infinitely too expensive morally, till the rest of society is fixed.

So like, we should spend 0 dollars on anything else until the issue at the top of your head at the moment is solved to your liking?


We could always try helping people who need help instead of buying new toys for cops.
 
2021-02-28 3:49:12 PM  
7 votes:
I have to admit the dog doing those dressage-like moves is kinda impressive
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2021-02-28 3:31:26 PM  
7 votes:
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Pffft. Sure, quad 'Mechs can move laterally and mule kicks, but given the frequency or arm and leg hits they are prone to loss of movement points. Plus, no torso twist!
 
2021-02-28 4:44:28 PM  
6 votes:
I'd also be curious as to AOC's suggestion on how to handle the situations they use and plan on using it for?

We have a barricaded suspect. Send in a social worker, representatives of all major faiths, translators for all spoken languages just in case the rabbi doesn't speak Swahili, and that is what we are up against, and also we have backup teams of varying degrees of personal identity standing by.

Lot of people to fit in a pre-war hallway.

Or we send in the farking robot dog and figure it out with the right folks over zoom.
 
2021-02-28 4:19:34 PM  
6 votes:
I mean the hysterical part about this whole thing is how it played out:

NYPD: Hey, we are listening, look at how we used this new tool so we didn't have to send officers in and potentially escalate the situation. Its not very expensive, gives us some abilities that don't put officers in harms way, allows us to open up lines of communication so we can de-escalate stuff, and its kind of neat and cute

People that asked the NYPD to solve those issues: YOU ARE SENDING KILLER ROBOTS AFTER THE POOR

NYPD: This is why we beat you
 
2021-02-28 3:06:07 PM  
6 votes:

LewDux: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x341]


fighting crime in a future time

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2021-02-28 2:54:37 PM  
6 votes:
So, TFA handwaves and fearmongers about how this robot is somehow a threat to personal privacy, but never really bothers to elaborate on how?

Sounds about right for journalism today.
 
2021-02-28 2:12:03 PM  
6 votes:

Barfmaker: some fear it could become an aggressive surveillance tool

Oh come on, if you can't trust the NYPD then who can you trust?


I will just be happy if they don't program Robo Pig to kill black people on sight.
 
2021-02-28 4:34:14 PM  
5 votes:
So, what will the punishment be if someone knocks this over?
$50,000 and 5 years?
 
2021-02-28 3:59:44 PM  
5 votes:

moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance


It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.
 
2021-02-28 2:53:17 PM  
5 votes:
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2021-02-28 2:51:57 PM  
5 votes:

deadsanta: Yeah what we really need now is the beta version of an autonomous kill-bot in our police forces. What could possibly go wrong?


We've always had those. Now we just have one with two extra legs.
 
2021-02-28 6:40:09 PM  
4 votes:
Ans to be extra clear, while i don't always agree with AOC, i think its important to have someone pushing boundaries, even if i don't agree with them, because it makes the rest of us think. And even after thinking if i still don't agree, its a good thing, and i appreciate that.

But this is something she needs to come back on and say, "After looking at it further, i was wrong in my initial reaction. Use of technology of this type is something we should be wary of, but this is a good use and really what we are asking for"

There is nothing wrong with that. It elevates her in my mind if she does that. We can all learn, grow, admit when we are wrong, all make mistakes, and that is what she is asking us to do.
 
2021-02-28 4:20:44 PM  
4 votes:
King Something:
We could always try helping people who need help instead of buying new toys for cops.

They have used this successfully in the past to do just that. Didn't make AOC's twitter feed then though.
 
2021-02-28 4:09:39 PM  
4 votes:

LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.


That's the problem.

The city paid public services money for it instead of something not from a dystopian wank fantasy.

The actual cost is irrelevant.  A penny is infinitely too expensive morally, till the rest of society is fixed.
 
2021-02-28 1:33:27 PM  
4 votes:

null: That's not a robot dog, that's a robot pig.


Yes, my first reaction. PigDog.
 
2021-03-01 1:50:41 AM  
3 votes:

Jeebus Saves: gamergirl23: LineNoise: gamergirl23:

You're talking about that particular use, and I'm talking about future uses. No one trusts them anymore in the Bronx especially.

The alternative was a dude in serious body armor with a big gun kicking in a door.

No matter what side i'm on, i'll take the robot packing a camera as the alternative.

You seem to trust them to keep it to only that scenario. I honestly hope you're right.

What exactly do you think they're going to do with a robot dog that they aren't already doing with a dozen other different things?  Do you think they're going to have a robot dog patrol or something?  Weaponize the robot dog and have bees shoot out of its mouth?  If this was some kind of flying drone, I'd be a little more concerned.  I just cant think of anything more they would do with this robot dog that they aren't already doing.


Lets see. Off the top of my head I can think of one standoff where they equipped a robot with a shotgun-like explosive charge and told the guy it was delivering a phone so he could chat with the cops, rigged to blow the guy away when he tried to take the phone, and one where they rigged the robot to to place a bomb on the other side of a wall from a holed up suspect and blew him to bits through the wall while the cops talked to him.
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Military has rules against arming robots.
Cops don't, so predictably they did it immediately, in some departments literally the first time they deployed them.
 
2021-02-28 8:11:20 PM  
3 votes:
gamergirl23:

I get sending in robots in hostage situations, but nobody trusts the NYPD not to abuse whatever power they're given, especially here.

I agree. The NYPD has miles upon miles to go to build trust.

WHICH IS WHY THEY SENT IN A farkING ROBOT.
 
2021-02-28 6:59:38 PM  
3 votes:
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These are the bad guys.
 
2021-02-28 4:23:41 PM  
3 votes:
Baby Terminators | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim
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2021-02-28 3:10:36 PM  
3 votes:

Another Government Employee: BigNumber12: So, TFA handwaves and fearmongers about how this robot is somehow a threat to personal privacy, but never really bothers to elaborate on how?

Sounds about right for journalism today.

Add Alexa software and a couple of 20mpx pinhole cams and you can get a "bot on the street" view of any altercation you send the thing into.

Probable deployments would be bomb squads (which would be a big upgrade) and certain specialized SWAT groups. Boston Dynamic is only going to improve on the design over time.


How is that substantially different / more extensive than current surveillance capabilities? How does that infringe on an area where you have a legal expectation of privacy?

If they're going to put in the headline, why can't they explain or support the reported claim? The best they do is quote AOC dropping the "robotic surveillance ground drone" scare-term, then immediately pivoting to "we should be buying other stuff instead."

This is bordering on clickbaiting bullshiat.
 
2021-02-28 2:55:12 PM  
3 votes:

Barfmaker: some fear it could become an aggressive surveillance tool

Oh come on, if you can't trust the NYPD then who can you trust?


You mean these fine, upstanding people?
https://www.documentjournal.com/2020/​0​7/a-new-law-seeks-to-expose-the-nypds-​secret-surveillance-technology/
 
2021-02-28 2:45:50 PM  
3 votes:
Yeah what we really need now is the beta version of an autonomous kill-bot in our police forces. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2021-02-28 11:32:04 AM  
3 votes:
some fear it could become an aggressive surveillance tool

Oh come on, if you can't trust the NYPD then who can you trust?
 
2021-02-28 7:27:09 PM  
2 votes:

gamergirl23: The Bronx is not Manhattan. It's not really like the other boroughs. I saw somebody fall and hit their head, and when I said I'd run the short distance to the firehouse to get someone to look at her some cops offered to help instead (you can't really go sprinting past some cops when they ask what's wrong), and she drove off bleeding into her face when she saw who was coming rather than talk to them. People already do not trust the cops here, and that's leaving aside how much other places need funding here.


Not denying your view or anything.....

But what the fark does that have to do with a robot dog?
 
2021-02-28 6:34:12 PM  
2 votes:

gamergirl23: LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.

The city with a massive shortfall that's cutting their budget everywhere else? You don't live where it is, and you think they're going to stop at one?


NYC has been a part of my life my entire life. I worked in it for 10+ years, and most of the work i do today still involves it and me being in it on a regular basis. I spend my free time there every chance i get (I was there yesterday). I lived in it for a good while, and honestly don't think i have lived anywhere where it wasn't out of my eyesight. I know its not the same thing as living in the bronx or some shiat for 40 years, but its dear to my heart.

I also remember the city in the late 80s and 90s personally.
 
2021-02-28 6:27:33 PM  
2 votes:

LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.


The city with a massive shortfall that's cutting their budget everywhere else? You don't live where it is, and you think they're going to stop at one?
 
2021-02-28 6:03:28 PM  
2 votes:
Send it to Philly...


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2021-02-28 4:40:35 PM  
2 votes:

LewDux: Jack Sabbath: NYPD didn't watch Black Mirror, eh?

Or they did, which is much worse.

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2021-02-28 3:49:42 PM  
2 votes:
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2021-02-28 3:15:07 PM  
2 votes:
Actually, based on past history I'm kind of shocked the police haven't already taken care of it for us.
 
2021-02-28 3:10:49 PM  
2 votes:
RoboCop punch through wall, hostage situation scene 1987 online video cutter com
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2021-02-28 3:09:18 PM  
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The trick is to put banana peels in their path. Robot dogs don't look down.
 
2021-02-28 3:06:34 PM  
2 votes:

Lambskincoat: Barfmaker: some fear it could become an aggressive surveillance tool

Oh come on, if you can't trust the NYPD then who can you trust?

I will just be happy if they don't program Robo Pig to kill black people on sight.


I don't know why you think they wouldn't.
 
2021-02-28 2:53:54 PM  
2 votes:
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2021-02-28 2:48:06 PM  
2 votes:
I blame Adam Savage.
 
2021-02-28 9:35:42 PM  
1 vote:

gamergirl23: LineNoise: gamergirl23:

You're talking about that particular use, and I'm talking about future uses. No one trusts them anymore in the Bronx especially.

The alternative was a dude in serious body armor with a big gun kicking in a door.

No matter what side i'm on, i'll take the robot packing a camera as the alternative.

You seem to trust them to keep it to only that scenario. I honestly hope you're right.


What exactly do you think they're going to do with a robot dog that they aren't already doing with a dozen other different things?  Do you think they're going to have a robot dog patrol or something?  Weaponize the robot dog and have bees shoot out of its mouth?  If this was some kind of flying drone, I'd be a little more concerned.  I just cant think of anything more they would do with this robot dog that they aren't already doing.
 
2021-02-28 9:29:04 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: gamergirl23:

You're talking about that particular use, and I'm talking about future uses. No one trusts them anymore in the Bronx especially.

The alternative was a dude in serious body armor with a big gun kicking in a door.

No matter what side i'm on, i'll take the robot packing a camera as the alternative.


You seem to trust them to keep it to only that scenario. I honestly hope you're right.
 
2021-02-28 9:24:40 PM  
1 vote:
gamergirl23:

You're talking about that particular use, and I'm talking about future uses. No one trusts them anymore in the Bronx especially.

The alternative was a dude in serious body armor with a big gun kicking in a door.

No matter what side i'm on, i'll take the robot packing a camera as the alternative.
 
2021-02-28 9:20:42 PM  
1 vote:
BigDog Beta (High Quality) - early Big Dog quadruped robot testing
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2021-02-28 9:17:55 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: gamergirl23:

I get sending in robots in hostage situations, but nobody trusts the NYPD not to abuse whatever power they're given, especially here.

I agree. The NYPD has miles upon miles to go to build trust.

WHICH IS WHY THEY SENT IN A farkING ROBOT.


You're talking about that particular use, and I'm talking about future uses. No one trusts them anymore in the Bronx especially.
 
2021-02-28 9:04:04 PM  
1 vote:

Dryad: Another Government Employee: Probable deployments would be bomb squads

Already been done. They rigged one to carry a bomb to place against a wall where a black guy was hiding on the other side, which they used to blow him to bits when he wouldn't come out.
Unsurprisingly, they don't use that tactic for white guys.


Or, as everyone else called him, "the ex military sniper who had already killed 5 cops among 16 total victims, who had holed up in a secure elevated position, was continuing to kill, and taunted cops during the 2+ hour standoff and negotiation."

"Officers opened negotiations for surrender but Johnson said he would speak to black police officers only. Johnson stated that he had acted alone and was not part of any group. According to Chief Brown, Johnson appeared delusional during his standoff; 'We had negotiated with him for about two hours, and he just basically lied to us, playing games, laughing at us, singing, asking how many did he get and that he wanted to kill some more.'"

But you go ahead and just see him as a skin color. That's what MLK Jr. would have wanted.
 
2021-02-28 8:36:43 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.


The options on it -alone- cost more than 50k. The you ADD the salaries of the people running it and maintaining it.
 
2021-02-28 8:35:17 PM  
1 vote:

Another Government Employee: Probable deployments would be bomb squads


Already been done. They rigged one to carry a bomb to place against a wall where a black guy was hiding on the other side, which they used to blow him to bits when he wouldn't come out.
Unsurprisingly, they don't use that tactic for white guys.
 
2021-02-28 8:25:00 PM  
1 vote:
I think what the NYPD needs to do is team up with someone with a good voice for the thing.....

Think about it.....this thing rolls in and, in Morgan Freeman's Voice....

"Hello.....I know things are tense right now, but i'm here to help you out of it. We don't want to see anyone get hurt. I want to have your trust....but i know i need to earn it.....so let me tell you a story...."

And then, i don't know, you play a summary of shawshank or something. Whatever. I think it would make everyone cool off a bit if a robot dog voiced by morgan freeman rolled up on your crazy ass situation.
 
2021-02-28 8:17:00 PM  
1 vote:
gamergirl23:
I get sending in robots in hostage situations, but nobody trusts the NYPD not to abuse whatever power they're given, especially here.

Also this was......wait for it.....a potential hostage situation.
 
2021-02-28 8:06:35 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: gamergirl23: The Bronx is not Manhattan. It's not really like the other boroughs. I saw somebody fall and hit their head, and when I said I'd run the short distance to the firehouse to get someone to look at her some cops offered to help instead (you can't really go sprinting past some cops when they ask what's wrong), and she drove off bleeding into her face when she saw who was coming rather than talk to them. People already do not trust the cops here, and that's leaving aside how much other places need funding here.

Not denying your view or anything.....

But what the fark does that have to do with a robot dog?


I get sending in robots in hostage situations, but nobody trusts the NYPD not to abuse whatever power they're given, especially here.
 
2021-02-28 7:12:18 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: gamergirl23: LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.

The city with a massive shortfall that's cutting their budget everywhere else? You don't live where it is, and you think they're going to stop at one?

NYC has been a part of my life my entire life. I worked in it for 10+ years, and most of the work i do today still involves it and me being in it on a regular basis. I spend my free time there every chance i get (I was there yesterday). I lived in it for a good while, and honestly don't think i have lived anywhere where it wasn't out of my eyesight. I know its not the same thing as living in the bronx or some shiat for 40 years, but its dear to my heart.

I also remember the city in the late 80s and 90s personally.


The Bronx is not Manhattan. It's not really like the other boroughs. I saw somebody fall and hit their head, and when I said I'd run the short distance to the firehouse to get someone to look at her some cops offered to help instead (you can't really go sprinting past some cops when they ask what's wrong), and she drove off bleeding into her face when she saw who was coming rather than talk to them. People already do not trust the cops here, and that's leaving aside how much other places need funding here.
 
2021-02-28 4:42:27 PM  
1 vote:
The police K9 core forming a union in 3......2......1......
 
2021-02-28 4:21:20 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: leeksfromchichis: LineNoise: moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance

It was 50k.

Far less than the cost of a cop salary, let alone a cop or other person being injured and suing the city.

Also it was paid for with city money.

That's the problem.

The city paid public services money for it instead of something not from a dystopian wank fantasy.

The actual cost is irrelevant.  A penny is infinitely too expensive morally, till the rest of society is fixed.

So like, we should spend 0 dollars on anything else until the issue at the top of your head at the moment is solved to your liking?


Yes, actually.  That would be ideal because defunding the police is also on the docket. $50M, $50k, $0.50  doesn't matter. That robot money could be better spent elsewhere and other groups could use a robot better if it were even free.
 
2021-02-28 3:47:09 PM  
1 vote:
Ask Tony Stark about Ultron.
 
2021-02-28 3:40:14 PM  
1 vote:
How long before they weaponize it?
 
2021-02-28 3:40:02 PM  
1 vote:
So is this thing programmed to also give probable cause on demand?
 
2021-02-28 3:27:27 PM  
1 vote:

null: scumm: null: That's not a robot dog, that's a robot pig.

Yes, my first reaction. PigDog.

RoboPigCop.


Digipig?
 
2021-02-28 3:23:03 PM  
1 vote:

moothemagiccow: We bought this $5 million dollar robocopdog instead of funding health insurance


Meatbags are obsolete. Robots are future.
 
2021-02-28 3:06:04 PM  
1 vote:
Amateurs LOL

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2021-02-28 3:03:31 PM  
1 vote:

BigNumber12: So, TFA handwaves and fearmongers about how this robot is somehow a threat to personal privacy, but never really bothers to elaborate on how?

Sounds about right for journalism today.


Add Alexa software and a couple of 20mpx pinhole cams and you can get a "bot on the street" view of any altercation you send the thing into.

Probable deployments would be bomb squads (which would be a big upgrade) and certain specialized SWAT groups. Boston Dynamic is only going to improve on the design over time.
 
2021-02-28 11:34:35 AM  
1 vote:
Robodog will need a police escort at all times or Jimmy Hoffa will adopt it.
 
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