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2021-02-27 4:35:45 PM  
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2021-02-27 4:43:57 PM  
Email is like paper mail now.. mostly unwanted and unread.
 
2021-02-27 4:48:36 PM  
The focus on email is too narrow.  For the last 10 years, I've had to keep my phone next to me at all times.  And it's not like I'm the president.  If you restrict email in off-hours, people are just going to text or call.
 
2021-02-27 5:20:24 PM  
Printing is making us miserable
 
2021-02-27 5:36:53 PM  
Last two startups I've been involved with have been all slack. Nobody uses email except us "olds". Bugs the shiat outta me.
 
2021-02-27 5:39:29 PM  
Email beats the hell out of having your phone ringing all the time.
 
2021-02-27 5:54:01 PM  

thermo: Last two startups I've been involved with have been all slack. Nobody uses email except us "olds". Bugs the shiat outta me.


Given enough users every messaging app becomes email
 
2021-02-27 8:40:40 PM  
Mail, inter-office memos, pagers, e-mail, corporate cell phones, texts, instant messages.  As our jobs get more complicated it becomes harder to keep up.  Every point of contact increases that complexity in an exponential fashion.  Many jobs have grown past the ability of most people to truly be on top of them, which is probably OK 99% of the time but we all roll snake-eyes on occasion.
 
2021-02-27 9:05:07 PM  
Hijacking thread.

Tell us...

Are you an 'every mail must be marked read' person?

Or are you a '983 unread emails spread across 36 folders' person?

/personally, ALL mails must be marked read
//i dont care if its in the goddamn garbage
 
2021-02-27 9:27:02 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Hijacking thread.

Tell us...

Are you an 'every mail must be marked read' person?

Or are you a '983 unread emails spread across 36 folders' person?

/personally, ALL mails must be marked read
//i dont care if its in the goddamn garbage


I use unread mails as a to-do list. Mostly the to-dos involve hitting delete.
 
2021-02-27 9:43:06 PM  
Email is a paper trail. If I have a conversation with management, I send a quick summary of what we discussed. So when they come back in a week wondering why I did what they asked me to do I can forward the email. Keeps people's memory  correct.
 
2021-02-27 10:08:41 PM  
Wrong.

Emails have a beginning an ending and a reply.

IM conversations go on for eternity.
 
2021-02-27 10:55:40 PM  
At one of my jobs they had a "paperwork reduction"  policy, which included using email instead of paper memos. Meanwhile every email had to be printed and filed in three separate places.
 
2021-02-28 12:23:54 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Hijacking thread.

Tell us...

Are you an 'every mail must be marked read' person?

Or are you a '983 unread emails spread across 36 folders' person?

/personally, ALL mails must be marked read
//i dont care if its in the goddamn garbage


I have an extreme OCD about unread messages. Extreme. It has to be read, it has to be marked, and it has to not have a giant red bubble with a number above it or I will stress the fark out about it. You know who shattered an iPhone because messenger wouldn't stop displaying a number 4 for a solid week and finally caused a meltdown? That would be me. Zero regrets. If I could get away with throwing my phone in the garbage disposal and never answering another off hours email or taking another off hours call I would. What level am I? Not that it matters, because this shiat strikes everyone and I've been dealing with pagers, on call, and constant streams of email for nearly 20 years, but I'm a Sr. Dir a a multi billion-dollar company. When you send me shiat at 3 am my phone beeps and I will read that mother farker because it's my responsibility if it's down and I gotta start making calls. I will be dead by 60 due to stress and this is just an accepted fact to me.
 
2021-02-28 1:09:57 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Hijacking thread.

Tell us...

Are you an 'every mail must be marked read' person?

Or are you a '983 unread emails spread across 36 folders' person?

/personally, ALL mails must be marked read
//i dont care if its in the goddamn garbage


My email button currently says 33,148 unread messages.. I need to purge some older years.
 
2021-02-28 1:27:54 AM  

thermo: Last two startups I've been involved with have been all slack. Nobody uses email except us "olds". Bugs the shiat outta me.


I'd quit a job before I'd move to Slack or Teams or Discord or whatever weird quasi-IM shiat people think they need.

I've been been using E-mail since I was 13. I still use it for actual correspondence. I write social emails. I also send post letters to people who like receiving them. I think there's an art to it, offering enough detail to make it welcome and enjoyable but not so much to make it a burden.

But anything that involves quick messages is just creating a distraction. I don't want to see those. I want to think in complete sentences and complex thoughts. I know it sucks that so many messages are cover your ass department-level blasts, but I'm happier picking through that than unstructured chatty messages.
 
2021-02-28 3:48:54 AM  

GodComplex: Email is a paper trail. If I have a conversation with management, I send a quick summary of what we discussed. So when they come back in a week wondering why I did what they asked me to do I can forward the email. Keeps people's memory  correct.


At one job, my asshole CEO lied about a ton of things. Just one example: Saying that our paychecks bounced because the company changed accountants. (Right.) The last year I worked there, I purposely avoided his calls so that he would email me instead. That way, everything was in writing.

People are so used to email and messaging that they put EVERYTHING in writing these days.
 
2021-02-28 3:49:42 AM  
1. Most meetings should be emails.

2. Emailing is making us miserable.

3. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
 
2021-02-28 7:13:22 AM  
I don't hate email as much as paper mail because I can set up rules to filter out some things unlike paper mail. That said I REALLY HATE Microsoft Teams.. That annoying *DING* when I'm working is getting me ready to shut the damn thing off. Oh and I LOVE how everything is being shoved in to the cloud these days. One good cloud outage and I'm not working. Didn't have that problem when we stored things on local servers. Oh well.
 
2021-02-28 7:59:31 AM  
This article may be old news, sure... but email really farking sucks. I only check mine when someone says to me via some other less shiatty means, "hey, did you see that email?"

I should note, I have the luxury of being in a non-client-facing role, so most of my work communication happens on less archaic platforms.

I'm sure my work inbox has over 10,000 unreads by now.
 
2021-02-28 8:07:02 AM  
My email is fine but reading the New Yorker does at times make me miserable.
 
2021-02-28 11:08:03 AM  

Zombies ate my neighbors: MurphyMurphy: Hijacking thread.

Tell us...

Are you an 'every mail must be marked read' person?

Or are you a '983 unread emails spread across 36 folders' person?

/personally, ALL mails must be marked read
//i dont care if its in the goddamn garbage

I have an extreme OCD about unread messages. Extreme. It has to be read, it has to be marked, and it has to not have a giant red bubble with a number above it or I will stress the fark out about it. You know who shattered an iPhone because messenger wouldn't stop displaying a number 4 for a solid week and finally caused a meltdown? That would be me. Zero regrets. If I could get away with throwing my phone in the garbage disposal and never answering another off hours email or taking another off hours call I would. What level am I? Not that it matters, because this shiat strikes everyone and I've been dealing with pagers, on call, and constant streams of email for nearly 20 years, but I'm a Sr. Dir a a multi billion-dollar company. When you send me shiat at 3 am my phone beeps and I will read that mother farker because it's my responsibility if it's down and I gotta start making calls. I will be dead by 60 due to stress and this is just an accepted fact to me.


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2021-02-28 11:16:26 AM  

Nimbull: That annoying *DING*


You laptop makes sounds when you didn't start up video or audio yourself?
 
2021-02-28 1:08:37 PM  

Alphax: Email is like paper mail now.. mostly unwanted and unread.


Texting puts a collar plus leash around your neck.

Email respects your time and privacy.
And costs less.
 
2021-02-28 1:10:29 PM  

Naido: The focus on email is too narrow.  For the last 10 years, I've had to keep my phone next to me at all times.  And it's not like I'm the president.  If you restrict email in off-hours, people are just going to text or call.


Which is why you give your email add out and keep your phone number private to as few people as possible.
 
2021-02-28 1:11:47 PM  

bingethinker: Email beats the hell out of having your phone ringing all the time.


Every day of the week.

Email treats you like a person

Texting considers you its biatch.
 
2021-02-28 1:12:15 PM  

Linux_Yes: Alphax: Email is like paper mail now.. mostly unwanted and unread.

Texting puts a collar plus leash around your neck.

Email respects your time and privacy.
And costs less.


How is it different? I can ignore a message just as I can ignore an email.
 
2021-02-28 1:13:45 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Mail, inter-office memos, pagers, e-mail, corporate cell phones, texts, instant messages.  As our jobs get more complicated it becomes harder to keep up.  Every point of contact increases that complexity in an exponential fashion.  Many jobs have grown past the ability of most people to truly be on top of them, which is probably OK 99% of the time but we all roll snake-eyes on occasion.


Many collars around the neck a working person wears.

Their owners/stock owners live in Peace and have a life/time.
 
2021-02-28 1:14:25 PM  

NathanAllen: Wrong.

Emails have a beginning an ending and a reply.

IM conversations go on for eternity.


Thank you
 
2021-02-28 1:14:44 PM  

NathanAllen: Wrong.

Emails have a beginning an ending and a reply.

IM conversations go on for eternity.


Like a soap opera
 
2021-02-28 1:17:03 PM  

Zombies ate my neighbors: MurphyMurphy: Hijacking thread.

Tell us...

Are you an 'every mail must be marked read' person?

Or are you a '983 unread emails spread across 36 folders' person?

/personally, ALL mails must be marked read
//i dont care if its in the goddamn garbage

I have an extreme OCD about unread messages. Extreme. It has to be read, it has to be marked, and it has to not have a giant red bubble with a number above it or I will stress the fark out about it. You know who shattered an iPhone because messenger wouldn't stop displaying a number 4 for a solid week and finally caused a meltdown? That would be me. Zero regrets. If I could get away with throwing my phone in the garbage disposal and never answering another off hours email or taking another off hours call I would. What level am I? Not that it matters, because this shiat strikes everyone and I've been dealing with pagers, on call, and constant streams of email for nearly 20 years, but I'm a Sr. Dir a a multi billion-dollar company. When you send me shiat at 3 am my phone beeps and I will read that mother farker because it's my responsibility if it's down and I gotta start making calls. I will be dead by 60 due to stress and this is just an accepted fact to me.


Being owned by your job is no picnic.

Save up as much as u can and get the fark out.
 
2021-02-28 1:18:22 PM  

likefunbutnot: thermo: Last two startups I've been involved with have been all slack. Nobody uses email except us "olds". Bugs the shiat outta me.

I'd quit a job before I'd move to Slack or Teams or Discord or whatever weird quasi-IM shiat people think they need.

I've been been using E-mail since I was 13. I still use it for actual correspondence. I write social emails. I also send post letters to people who like receiving them. I think there's an art to it, offering enough detail to make it welcome and enjoyable but not so much to make it a burden.

But anything that involves quick messages is just creating a distraction. I don't want to see those. I want to think in complete sentences and complex thoughts. I know it sucks that so many messages are cover your ass department-level blasts, but I'm happier picking through that than unstructured chatty messages.


Texting is for teens.
 
2021-02-28 1:19:29 PM  

bostonguy: GodComplex: Email is a paper trail. If I have a conversation with management, I send a quick summary of what we discussed. So when they come back in a week wondering why I did what they asked me to do I can forward the email. Keeps people's memory  correct.

At one job, my asshole CEO lied about a ton of things. Just one example: Saying that our paychecks bounced because the company changed accountants. (Right.) The last year I worked there, I purposely avoided his calls so that he would email me instead. That way, everything was in writing.

People are so used to email and messaging that they put EVERYTHING in writing these days.


You cant leave the shiatter until the paperwork is done.
 
2021-02-28 1:20:50 PM  

Nimbull: I don't hate email as much as paper mail because I can set up rules to filter out some things unlike paper mail. That said I REALLY HATE Microsoft Teams.. That annoying *DING* when I'm working is getting me ready to shut the damn thing off. Oh and I LOVE how everything is being shoved in to the cloud these days. One good cloud outage and I'm not working. Didn't have that problem when we stored things on local servers. Oh well.


Brad kinda likes the ding.

I just click X when teams pops its ugly snout up.
 
2021-02-28 1:22:24 PM  

Nimbull: I don't hate email as much as paper mail because I can set up rules to filter out some things unlike paper mail. That said I REALLY HATE Microsoft Teams.. That annoying *DING* when I'm working is getting me ready to shut the damn thing off. Oh and I LOVE how everything is being shoved in to the cloud these days. One good cloud outage and I'm not working. Didn't have that problem when we stored things on local servers. Oh well.


Apparently Murcans trust someone elses servers more than their own in house servers......
 
2021-02-28 1:29:10 PM  

DerAppie: Linux_Yes: Alphax: Email is like paper mail now.. mostly unwanted and unread.

Texting puts a collar plus leash around your neck.

Email respects your time and privacy.
And costs less.

How is it different? I can ignore a message just as I can ignore an email.


But in actual practice ive seen more users getting uptight about answering a text than an email.

Texting is right now
Email is whenever you get the chance to reply.

Unless its work then ur fuked either way.

Once ur on someone elses time u dont have very many choices.
 
2021-02-28 3:40:00 PM  

Naido: The focus on email is too narrow.  For the last 10 years, I've had to keep my phone next to me at all times.  And it's not like I'm the president.  If you restrict email in off-hours, people are just going to text or call.


Stop answering texts and calls during off hours?
 
2021-02-28 3:41:09 PM  

thermo: Last two startups I've been involved with have been all slack. Nobody uses email except us "olds". Bugs the shiat outta me.


Slack is the worst. Employers don't bother paying for training, so slack is just a nonstop water cooler.
 
2021-02-28 5:34:43 PM  

Linux_Yes: Nimbull: I don't hate email as much as paper mail because I can set up rules to filter out some things unlike paper mail. That said I REALLY HATE Microsoft Teams.. That annoying *DING* when I'm working is getting me ready to shut the damn thing off. Oh and I LOVE how everything is being shoved in to the cloud these days. One good cloud outage and I'm not working. Didn't have that problem when we stored things on local servers. Oh well.

Apparently Murcans trust someone elses servers more than their own in house servers......


If the price is right, management scoots it all out in the cloud. Trust is only secondary really when you can retire/layoff people and save money till something goes boom.
 
2021-02-28 6:09:31 PM  

Linux_Yes: Texting is for teens.


I don't text, either. I block that shiat at the carrier level. No one gets my personal phone number.
 
2021-02-28 6:32:47 PM  

Linux_Yes: DerAppie: Linux_Yes: Alphax: Email is like paper mail now.. mostly unwanted and unread.

Texting puts a collar plus leash around your neck.

Email respects your time and privacy.
And costs less.

How is it different? I can ignore a message just as I can ignore an email.

But in actual practice ive seen more users getting uptight about answering a text than an email.

Texting is right now
Email is whenever you get the chance to reply.


That's just because people haven't learned to ignore it yet. The fiction that texts are somehow fundamentally different from an email needs to die.
 
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