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2021-02-27 3:54:02 PM  
Well, gee, Subby. It may unintentionally or subconsciously be a duck. You don't know.

Neither does the "duck".
 
2021-02-27 3:55:44 PM  
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2021-02-27 4:05:25 PM  
Someone better load Stacey Abrams up with cocaine and meth for the 2022 and 2024 election cycle because we are four years away from a QAnoner in the White House and a descent into fascism.
 
2021-02-27 4:12:03 PM  
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2021-02-27 4:55:38 PM  
I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.
 
2021-02-27 5:07:51 PM  

ArkPanda: I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.


Not everyone using Nordic or other symbology is appropriating them for purposes of political ideology, but the alt-reich pisses on every symbol it possibly can to claim it for its own ends.
 
2021-02-27 5:31:22 PM  
I made this the other day, for those who don't flip things around in their head as readily as others.

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Snopes has made the bar for this to be "Confirmed" that the stage designer tells us he did it on purpose.  The legs in the back of the stage appear shorter than the large edges of the front square, which is consistent with the Odal.  I would say that if the ratios were the same for the geometric aspects, this is a case of someone taking the odal and scaling it up to be a stage floorplan.  There is no practical reason for the legs to not be the same dimensions as the square.
 
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2021-02-27 5:31:59 PM  

ArkPanda: I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.


Your argument would carry weight if there were actual Nazis in the Ultima games, but iirc there were not.  There are actual Nazis in the US conservative movement, and the CPAC celebrates politicians, scholars, and celebrities that those Nazis also celebrate.
 
2021-02-27 5:45:30 PM  
At least it's not a Black Sun. For those who don't know: The Black Sun was an organization inside the SS that studied occultism. They were also some really sick farks. All the novels, comics and movies that feature Nazi occultism are usually toned down from what those farks were actually like.
 
2021-02-27 5:51:14 PM  

ArkPanda: I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.


I think that games were the objective is to shoot the Nazi, to blow the Nazi into smithereens, to stab the Nazi in the face, to vaporize the Nazi with alien weapons and to utterly destroy those Nazi Fs should get a pass.
 
2021-02-27 5:51:49 PM  
This is very typical of both the NAZIS and the American (and others) far right. They love to co-opt Symbolism. 
Think of the OK sign. Same deal. Well, you can't prove that  so you are wrong. A not so very plausible deniability. 
Same with the Valkut (three interlocking triangles). I'm not a NAZI, I'm just expressing my "folkish" heritage. I could go on, and on.
This was not an unfortunate accident. All you have to do is look at the tone of the rhetoric of those on stage to know that. It's only subtle to the divorced.

Sometimes though there is a real give away. In this case it is the wings. That is a straight up NAZI add on. I have never seen a Scandinavian Odin Rune with wings and I have seen quite a few rune stones and runic inscriptions. 
(I am by no means an expert and there are also multiple runic alphabets and symbols that are time and location based. Some of these are still completely undecipherable even to the experts).
It hasn't been acceptable for quite a while to fly a Swastika  or lightning bolts  so they have come up with variations of symbolism and language to convey.the same sentiment if you are in the know.and like minded.
 
2021-02-27 5:54:19 PM  

fredbox: ArkPanda: I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.

Not everyone using Nordic or other symbology is appropriating them for purposes of political ideology, but the alt-reich pisses on every symbol it possibly can to claim it for its own ends.


This is very true and it is time that peoples start to reclaim there symbols.
 
2021-02-27 6:03:45 PM  
Here is the stage superimposed on a better image of the Odal Rune including the outline.
Without the perspective skew from the CPAC photo, they would fall nearly exactly in line.  I could not find a better perspective shot of the stage
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2021-02-27 6:07:29 PM  

iheartscotch: At least it's not a Black Sun. For those who don't know: The Black Sun was an organization inside the SS that studied occultism. They were also some really sick farks. All the novels, comics and movies that feature Nazi occultism are usually toned down from what those farks were actually like.


This is directly tied in to spiritualism, occultism, esotericism  and the formation of the Ahnenerbe.
 
2021-02-27 6:11:52 PM  
Maybe CPAC saved some money by splitting the bill with AFPAC, a white supremacy pac which is having its little convention at the same time, in the same city, and in the same hotel.  Though the crossover of conventions is a totally unintended coincidence, if it saves enough money to buy a golden trump effigy, who really cares?
 
2021-02-27 6:13:53 PM  

blender61: iheartscotch: At least it's not a Black Sun. For those who don't know: The Black Sun was an organization inside the SS that studied occultism. They were also some really sick farks. All the novels, comics and movies that feature Nazi occultism are usually toned down from what those farks were actually like.

This is directly tied in to spiritualism, occultism, esotericism  and the formation of the Ahnenerbe.


I wasn't aware that they used the Odal Rune as well. I was aware that modern Nazis had switched the Swastika out for the Odal Rune because many people wouldn't know what the Odal Rune represented.
 
2021-02-27 6:46:05 PM  
The whole premise of it being intentional relies on the idea that they have even a rudimentary understanding of history, so you can see where there is some doubt.
 
2021-02-27 7:17:20 PM  
With four years of hindsight, I'm surprised that there are still people in this thread that are like "maybe...? Nah. Couldn't be! It's way too much of a coincidence!"

Tell me: do y'all still believe Laura Ingraham just momentarily forgot how to wave like a real person?
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2021-02-27 7:17:46 PM  
Somebody must have designed that stage, somebody built it, somebody approved both actions. Find out who. The answers may surprise you. Then you got them.
 
2021-02-27 7:31:41 PM  

iheartscotch: ArkPanda: I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.

I think that games were the objective is to shoot the Nazi, to blow the Nazi into smithereens, to stab the Nazi in the face, to vaporize the Nazi with alien weapons and to utterly destroy those Nazi Fs should get a pass.


I agree, but that's not what Ultima was. Ultima was a fantasy RPG.

That being said, somebody did blow Lord British to smithereens due to a developer oversight in Ultima Online!
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Also, it's worth mentioning that there's a stark difference between a fantasy nerd using Nordic runes that have also been misappropriated by the Nazis, and a political convention of hateful fascists using it.
 
2021-02-27 7:51:00 PM  

Dave and the Mission: Here is the stage superimposed on a better image of the Odal Rune including the outline.
Without the perspective skew from the CPAC photo, they would fall nearly exactly in line.  I could not find a better perspective shot of the stage
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Do that thing like they do on CSI.
 
2021-02-27 7:51:45 PM  

MattytheMouse: That being said, somebody did blow Lord British to smithereens due to a developer oversight in Ultima Online!


I killed him in Ultima VI by cheating in a cannon and firing on him the moment he spawned (at any other moment, he was invulnerable).
 
2021-02-27 7:52:00 PM  
Wait, are we wondering if this indicates that they're... nazis?  We know that a lot of them are nazis. We've been up to our eyeballs in nazis since 2017.

Are we wondering if this was just an accident?
Don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.
 
2021-02-27 7:52:48 PM  
As someone pointed out in the last thread, the American neo-nazi movement intentionally switched from the swastika to the Odal rune in 2016 because the swastika had become 'too divisive' and the rune was more subtle and would still be recognizable to 'those in the know'.  Under those circumstances this being mere coincidence absolutely stretches incredulity to it's breaking point.
 
2021-02-27 7:53:01 PM  

Dave and the Mission: I made this the other day, for those who don't flip things around in their head as readily as others.

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Snopes has made the bar for this to be "Confirmed" that the stage designer tells us he did it on purpose.  The legs in the back of the stage appear shorter than the large edges of the front square, which is consistent with the Odal.  I would say that if the ratios were the same for the geometric aspects, this is a case of someone taking the odal and scaling it up to be a stage floorplan.  There is no practical reason for the legs to not be the same dimensions as the square.


Yes and that comparison has been really helpful here
Thanks for that
 
2021-02-27 7:53:30 PM  
We went to war with the Nazis.  Apparently, we need to remind them.

Amendment 14 Section 3 every attendee.  Tonight.
 
2021-02-27 7:54:18 PM  

iheartscotch: At least it's not a Black Sun. For those who don't know: The Black Sun was an organization inside the SS that studied occultism. They were also some really sick farks. All the novels, comics and movies that feature Nazi occultism are usually toned down from what those farks were actually like.


You've read the books about the anherbe (sp) in Tibet I assume?
 
2021-02-27 7:56:05 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: As someone pointed out in the last thread, the American neo-nazi movement intentionally switched from the swastika to the Odal rune in 2016 because the swastika had become 'too divisive' and the rune was more subtle and would still be recognizable to 'those in the know'.  Under those circumstances this being mere coincidence absolutely stretches incredulity to it's breaking point.


Nah. I'm sure it's fine.
 
2021-02-27 7:59:26 PM  

fredbox: ArkPanda: I hope nobody ever looks at the Ultima games. With all the runes there Lord British must have been Hitler reincarnated.

Not everyone using Nordic or other symbology is appropriating them for purposes of political ideology, but the alt-reich pisses on every symbol it possibly can to claim it for its own ends.


I remember when a bunch of morons tried to be dumb about the Ok symbol being used by white supremacists.

White supremacists are all about symbolism and covert messaging plus plausible deniability.
 
2021-02-27 8:00:09 PM  
I abhor everything about R's, but most of the time when things like this come up i just see it as "looking for something & finding it".

Flashing white power signs? yeah. thats obvious when these farkers do it. but no one is sitting down designing a stage to look like a nazi symbol on purpose, I just can't buy it.
 
2021-02-27 8:01:00 PM  

SFSailor: We went to war with the Nazis.  Apparently, we need to remind them.

Amendment 14 Section 3 every attendee.  Tonight.


We also went to war with the confederacy.  I'm starting to see a pattern here...
 
2021-02-27 8:01:54 PM  
I'd like to take a moment to mention that feeding bread to ducks is bad.
 
2021-02-27 8:02:09 PM  

phedex: I abhor everything about R's, but most of the time when things like this come up i just see it as "looking for something & finding it".

Flashing white power signs? yeah. thats obvious when these farkers do it. but no one is sitting down designing a stage to look like a nazi symbol on purpose, I just can't buy it.


That's the point.

You make one mistake, it's understandable.

But they make "but that's just a bit odd, not on purpose" over and over again. Each one on its own may be a bit fuzzy or understandable. But it's the consistent pattern.

That's how the faithful recognize it when they see it, but can deny it to the critic.
 
2021-02-27 8:02:48 PM  
Snopes can't confirm 'on purpose' because that means you confirm someone's intent. Until we develop mind-reading technology, people can't just jump into other people's head and say 'yup they meant it' when they're saying they didn't.
 
2021-02-27 8:03:39 PM  
It could be a 3-D illusory motion image of a duck that's able to simulate the actions of a real duck through strategic placement and movement of micro-force fields.  What I'm saying, subby, is that it could be a Holoduck.
 
2021-02-27 8:03:41 PM  
*repeatedly invokes pargon on this thread*
 
2021-02-27 8:03:54 PM  
The stuff about the rune for divination purposes is not helping their case.
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The stage at CPAC is inverted/blankside up. The money is draining away.

/second time this week I'd had to pull out a magic book to throw shade on Republicans.
//I collect books of nonsense presented as fact.
 
2021-02-27 8:04:19 PM  

phedex: I abhor everything about R's, but most of the time when things like this come up i just see it as "looking for something & finding it".

Flashing white power signs? yeah. thats obvious when these farkers do it. but no one is sitting down designing a stage to look like a nazi symbol on purpose, I just can't buy it.


Did you not see the Laura Ingraram bit a few comments earlier?  These farkwads think it's cute to "trigger the libs" and make their base's kibbles n bits tingle, with the idea of being real Stormtroopers.
 
2021-02-27 8:04:38 PM  
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity.

I'm voting for "unfortunate coincidence", mainly because I simply cannot believe that the stage designer could be so clever.
 
2021-02-27 8:05:33 PM  

Purple_Urkle: The stuff about the rune for divination purposes is not helping their case.
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The stage at CPAC is inverted/blankside up. The money is draining away.

/second time this week I'd had to pull out a magic book to throw shade on Republicans.
//I collect books of nonsense presented as fact.


But it's got hooks is that supposed to stop the drain?

Not entirely joking
 
2021-02-27 8:05:58 PM  

Dave and the Mission: I made this the other day, for those who don't flip things around in their head as readily as others.

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Snopes has made the bar for this to be "Confirmed" that the stage designer tells us he did it on purpose.  The legs in the back of the stage appear shorter than the large edges of the front square, which is consistent with the Odal.  I would say that if the ratios were the same for the geometric aspects, this is a case of someone taking the odal and scaling it up to be a stage floorplan.  There is no practical reason for the legs to not be the same dimensions as the square.


Thanks Dave!

No, seriously - those of us with spatial relationship issues have a hell of a time with mental comparison and image rotation and the like - that really helped.
 
2021-02-27 8:07:46 PM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: iheartscotch: At least it's not a Black Sun. For those who don't know: The Black Sun was an organization inside the SS that studied occultism. They were also some really sick farks. All the novels, comics and movies that feature Nazi occultism are usually toned down from what those farks were actually like.

You've read the books about the anherbe (sp) in Tibet I assume?


No, I haven't. I already knew too much about those Fs to want to know more. I had always assumed that there was more because a lot of the Ahnenerbe escaped prosecution because they destroyed their records and went underground.
 
2021-02-27 8:08:27 PM  

EL EM: I'd like to take a moment to mention that feeding bread to ducks is bad.


Is it?
 
2021-02-27 8:08:35 PM  
Two different friends of mine who have a combined 50 years of event stage and lighting experience between the two of them both looked that the picture of the stage and said, "that's a pain in the ass stage-setup. There's absolutely no reason to use that shape for a stage unless you wanted to use that exact shape"
 
2021-02-27 8:10:52 PM  

RevCarter: Two different friends of mine who have a combined 50 years of event stage and lighting experience between the two of them both looked that the picture of the stage and said, "that's a pain in the ass stage-setup. There's absolutely no reason to use that shape for a stage unless you wanted to use that exact shape"


Well. Case closed. Everyone! This fine gentleman know TWO people who told him things!!!!
 
2021-02-27 8:11:03 PM  
"Well I mean it looks like the rune, but we can't tell if it was intentional not if it was really truly a nazi insignia so we rank this "ehhhh...'"

Someone needs to biatchslap Snopes... You can guarantee not one QPAC attendee nor organizer is going to actually come out and say it was intentional, and I don't really recall anyone saying it was intentional. It is, however, incredibly peculiar that their state just so happens to be in the same shape when there are better options they could have used instead.
 
2021-02-27 8:11:28 PM  
Im just kidding. You and your stagehand friends are probably really nice people.
 
2021-02-27 8:11:43 PM  

iheartscotch: Cornelis de Gyselaer: iheartscotch: At least it's not a Black Sun. For those who don't know: The Black Sun was an organization inside the SS that studied occultism. They were also some really sick farks. All the novels, comics and movies that feature Nazi occultism are usually toned down from what those farks were actually like.

You've read the books about the anherbe (sp) in Tibet I assume?

No, I haven't. I already knew too much about those Fs to want to know more. I had always assumed that there was more because a lot of the Ahnenerbe escaped prosecution because they destroyed their records and went underground.


They tried to enlist the Tibetans to attack India or find passage to sneak troops in

It was designed as a science Expedition their interactions with the British envoy were somewhat strained shall we say. He also out maneuvered them btw
 
2021-02-27 8:12:15 PM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: Purple_Urkle: The stuff about the rune for divination purposes is not helping their case.
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The stage at CPAC is inverted/blankside up. The money is draining away.

/second time this week I'd had to pull out a magic book to throw shade on Republicans.
//I collect books of nonsense presented as fact.

But it's got hooks is that supposed to stop the drain?

Not entirely joking


There's something about layering runes to make new symbols.

I don't really know what's with the feet.
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Another book about symbols with a section on runes depicts it without the feet. Also as a rhombus with a stick.

IDK.
 
2021-02-27 8:13:11 PM  
This ring a bell?

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