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2021-02-28 6:45:49 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: No one but that strawman you've built is saying it's the perfect laptop for all professionals.

Uhh, I don't really understand how that works. It's a laptop that can be used for making documents. But not for lots of other things.

For example when I go to an office (or actually, several offices) in Hong Kong and they have trash wireless and you need to sit at a desk and plug into power, an RJ-45 and some sort of USB machine and whoops, too many ports being used, I guess I'll unplug my power, darn, I've just hopped off a flight and was using my laptop the whole time and the battery is low. Unplug the RJ-45? Well, no, I can't connect to the network anymore.

Do I have to start carting around a docking station?

Often I can also just borrow someone's power adapter now as well if, for some reason I don't have mine (or I don't have a international power plug on me) because there is only a couple standards left and mine only needs a 35W adapter.

Dell and HP use the same large power adapter seen on their business models (the consumer rebranded ones, like XPS, use a smaller adapter which is annoying)

And ASUS, MSI, Toshiba and a couple others use the world standard 5.5x2.5mm. And they all use 18.5-19.5V which is interchangeable 99% of the time.

I actually just shoved a Toshiba power adapter into an industrial filling machine this afternoon that took an 18V input.

So yeah, I'd roll with something that supports more standards as being the perfect laptop for professionals, because there's ALWAYS that one weird scenario, like that one time you used HDMI.


There you go again. Your crazy edge cases define a professional device? You make the same argument in every EV thread.

I'm about reliability. Windows laptops have failed me far too many times. I made the switch in a fit of rage when a botched Windows Update lost me a client. I've never once regretted my decision. I'd rather have a laptop that works 100% of the time for my work than a laptop that can handle the occasional edge case, but acts up in critical moments.

How about this for gatekeeping? If you're OK with tools that will randomly decide to break themselves, your work isn't time sensitive enough to be professional. It's just consumer junk.
 
2021-02-28 7:19:47 PM  

Likwit: There you go again. Your crazy edge cases define a professional device? You make the same argument in every EV thread.

I'm about reliability. Windows laptops have failed me far too many times. I made the switch in a fit of rage when a botched Windows Update lost me a client. I've never once regretted my decision. I'd rather have a laptop that works 100% of the time for my work than a laptop that can handle the occasional edge case, but acts up in critical moments.

How about this for gatekeeping? If you're OK with tools that will randomly decide to break themselves, your work isn't time sensitive enough to be professional. It's just consumer junk.


Lol, you're really insistent on one thing being one thing only. Like if someone says, "I want HDMI", you think "Oh, no, it's going to replace a Type-C".

My examples are things that happen in the real world, and people visiting Hong Kong (which, surprisingly has a real problem with workplaces having garbage IT) is a regular occurrence. People using three or more ports, also a regular occurrence. But at no point do I use them as a be all and end all, but a real world scenario as to why I have a good understanding of things that can happen and why reducing functionality is a bad thing.

For example, you had a whinge about supporting old ports, when in reality only one of the old ports you suggested was a bad one, and you had no ability to conceptualise the fact that VGA, DC ports and HDMI still have perfectly valid uses. Our entire IT at my old company would have been farked using Apple and trying to support the factory lines. And factory lines are EVERYWHERE.

Also you're only fooling yourself if you think your example doesn't represent both Windows and Apple, but on the Windows side it more often than not represents consumer junk. What laptop did you have that this happened?

In the business world there's subselections of hardware that's used and those cases are much fewer and further between in the established families. Occasionally the brands will water them down (like everyone copying Surface Pros but calling them their good product family names like Elite and Latitude) but Elitebooks, Latitudes, ThinkPads rarely stray from extremely heavily certified hardware.

There's a reason Apple doesn't win the reliability awards and haven't in a long while for laptops.

So yeah, it just indicates you have a pattern of buying consumer junk, regardless of the operating system.

Bit of a delay on this one, as fun as these kinds of arguments are I'm just using them as a means to procrastinate working and getting a bit bored.
 
2021-02-28 7:47:58 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: There you go again. Your crazy edge cases define a professional device? You make the same argument in every EV thread.

I'm about reliability. Windows laptops have failed me far too many times. I made the switch in a fit of rage when a botched Windows Update lost me a client. I've never once regretted my decision. I'd rather have a laptop that works 100% of the time for my work than a laptop that can handle the occasional edge case, but acts up in critical moments.

How about this for gatekeeping? If you're OK with tools that will randomly decide to break themselves, your work isn't time sensitive enough to be professional. It's just consumer junk.

Lol, you're really insistent on one thing being one thing only. Like if someone says, "I want HDMI", you think "Oh, no, it's going to replace a Type-C".

My examples are things that happen in the real world, and people visiting Hong Kong (which, surprisingly has a real problem with workplaces having garbage IT) is a regular occurrence. People using three or more ports, also a regular occurrence. But at no point do I use them as a be all and end all, but a real world scenario as to why I have a good understanding of things that can happen and why reducing functionality is a bad thing.

For example, you had a whinge about supporting old ports, when in reality only one of the old ports you suggested was a bad one, and you had no ability to conceptualise the fact that VGA, DC ports and HDMI still have perfectly valid uses. Our entire IT at my old company would have been farked using Apple and trying to support the factory lines. And factory lines are EVERYWHERE.

Also you're only fooling yourself if you think your example doesn't represent both Windows and Apple, but on the Windows side it more often than not represents consumer junk. What laptop did you have that this happened?

In the business world there's subselections of hardware that's used and those cases are much fewer and further between in the established families. Occasionally the brands will water them down (like everyone copying Surface Pros but calling them their good product family names like Elite and Latitude) but Elitebooks, Latitudes, ThinkPads rarely stray from extremely heavily certified hardware.

There's a reason Apple doesn't win the reliability awards and haven't in a long while for laptops.

So yeah, it just indicates you have a pattern of buying consumer junk, regardless of the operating system.

Bit of a delay on this one, as fun as these kinds of arguments are I'm just using them as a means to procrastinate working and getting a bit bored.


Lots of people visit Hong Kong, so therefore laptops must have XYZ. Sound argument there.

Again, I don't want ports I don't use on my laptop.

Also, the reliability of my previous laptops has to do with the OS. Windows is hot garbage. I need my laptops to work right the fark now. But I get it. Your whole shtick is "stop liking what I don't like."
 
2021-02-28 7:54:43 PM  

Likwit: Lots of people visit Hong Kong, so therefore laptops must have XYZ. Sound argument there.

Again, I don't want ports I don't use on my laptop.

Also, the reliability of my previous laptops has to do with the OS. Windows is hot garbage. I need my laptops to work right the fark now. But I get it. Your whole shtick is "stop liking what I don't like."


"People who provide real world examples are the devil", the only people worth listening to are those who make vague claims and don't back them up. Got it.

Then buy a laptop that doesn't have those ports, but I bet you don't exclusively use Type-C, if you own one dongle, why not just have it on the laptop? I showed you all the places they could put them.

Additionally I also made a mention of, "Why not just put more Type-C" on, which you ignored, then asked for more Type-C as if I hadn't already said that's a thing that could happen except where Apple says no.

Other laptop manufacturers offer a range of devices with a range of ports to suit peoples needs.

If you're beating a dead horse about Windows reliability, then you should have seen the old Power Macs. And nothing ever changes apparently. Once someone has one bad experience with your product once in the past then that is representative of your product forever more.

And you're deluded if you think the reliability of Windows has nothing to do with the hardware.
 
2021-02-28 8:05:31 PM  

Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: Why stop at display port? Why not add DVI? VGA? A barrel power connector? Sure you can charge via USB-C, but what if one time you desperately need to charge and there's only an old adapter from a PC lying around? Apple is stealing your functionality!!

More USB-C or nothing.

More USB-C was in my post.

It's funny, you were trying to be facetious but it depends on the market, VGA is totally something I'd include in a business IT environment as servers and industrial machinery still use them. And they are included in devices that get used in those environments.

VGA makes your Apple devices.

HDMI is still included on every new display.

DVI isn't used on anything, even industrial machinery didn't adopt it.

I also have a laptop I still use that has a serial port.

Also there's nothing wrong with a barrel power connector, it's a direct feed of the correct voltage. For the same reason that my TV isn't powered by Type-C. It's a good, cheap, proven technology that doesn't break. If anything happens to your USB controller, then your laptop stops working. If something happens to the USB controller on a device with a barrel power connector, even a driver failure, then you can continue to use it because Type-C power requires negotiation AND it sucks up one of your Type-C slots. If you've only got two, then that significantly limits your options.

So I completely agree, Apple IS stealing your functionality.

It's unfortunate that you're so brainwashed.

I love the irony of this post.

Whom could I have been brainwashed by? I'm not saying buy this company, or buy that company and no one else. Or is it a concerted effort from the rest of the world that isn't Apple to brainwash people?

You're getting super worked up about the ports on a laptop. And who are you to gatekeep "actual work." My last MacBook Pro helped me get 4 or 5 articles in scholarly journals, finish my dissertation, publis ...


Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: No one but that strawman you've built is saying it's the perfect laptop for all professionals.

Uhh, I don't really understand how that works. It's a laptop that can be used for making documents. But not for lots of other things.

For example when I go to an office (or actually, several offices) in Hong Kong and they have trash wireless and you need to sit at a desk and plug into power, an RJ-45 and some sort of USB machine and whoops, too many ports being used, I guess I'll unplug my power, darn, I've just hopped off a flight and was using my laptop the whole time and the battery is low. Unplug the RJ-45? Well, no, I can't connect to the network anymore.

Do I have to start carting around a docking station?

Often I can also just borrow someone's power adapter now as well if, for some reason I don't have mine (or I don't have a international power plug on me) because there is only a couple standards left and mine only needs a 35W adapter.

Dell and HP use the same large power adapter seen on their business models (the consumer rebranded ones, like XPS, use a smaller adapter which is annoying)

And ASUS, MSI, Toshiba and a couple others use the world standard 5.5x2.5mm. And they all use 18.5-19.5V which is interchangeable 99% of the time.

I actually just shoved a Toshiba power adapter into an industrial filling machine this afternoon that took an 18V input.

So yeah, I'd roll with something that supports more standards as being the perfect laptop for professionals, because there's ALWAYS that one weird scenario, like that one time you used HDMI.

There you go again. Your crazy edge cases define a professional device? You make the same argument in every EV thread.

I'm about reliability. Windows laptops have failed me far too many times. I made the switch in a fit of rage when a botched Windows Update lost me a client. I've never once regretted my decision. I'd rather have a laptop that works 100% of the time for my work than a laptop that can hand ...


Here's a non edge case. I have an a older wacom cintiq that requires an hdmi and a usc. that doesn't really work well with a laptop that only has two ports, one of which is being used for power.

here's my reliability story....i was in apple world for a while, and i was an early adopter of digital cameras. during a iPhoto update, apple decided that all my early digital photos from 1999 to 2006 weren't actual photos and DELETED them, only keeping photos taken with iphones in the process. pretty much all of my kids baby photos were gone, thanks to apple not testing their photo header files for "non apple conforming data".

but thankfully, i had time machine, right?

so I fire up time machine, and go back a few weeks to rescue the file. I get a message that says the file is corrupted.  in fact, all of the time stamped files going back years are all unavailable because of corruption status.

this is when I learned why apple products "just work". it's because they don't actually tell you when things are broken. at any point, a time machine backup should've alerted me with "hey, you really should check this out, that back up file we dread is messed up.". Instead, apple just kept on creating the delta data from the previous backup, including the corruption...without ever checking to see if the data was good.
 
2021-02-28 8:42:45 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: Lots of people visit Hong Kong, so therefore laptops must have XYZ. Sound argument there.

Again, I don't want ports I don't use on my laptop.

Also, the reliability of my previous laptops has to do with the OS. Windows is hot garbage. I need my laptops to work right the fark now. But I get it. Your whole shtick is "stop liking what I don't like."

"People who provide real world examples are the devil", the only people worth listening to are those who make vague claims and don't back them up. Got it.

Then buy a laptop that doesn't have those ports, but I bet you don't exclusively use Type-C, if you own one dongle, why not just have it on the laptop? I showed you all the places they could put them.

Additionally I also made a mention of, "Why not just put more Type-C" on, which you ignored, then asked for more Type-C as if I hadn't already said that's a thing that could happen except where Apple says no.

Other laptop manufacturers offer a range of devices with a range of ports to suit peoples needs.

If you're beating a dead horse about Windows reliability, then you should have seen the old Power Macs. And nothing ever changes apparently. Once someone has one bad experience with your product once in the past then that is representative of your product forever more.

And you're deluded if you think the reliability of Windows has nothing to do with the hardware.


K. So the boot loop my Windows desktop went into the other day that was a documented issue across devices was what?

I try not to go off anecdotes, but since you're basing everything off of just your experiences, that's OK for me too. Right?
 
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