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2021-02-27 1:10:41 PM  
All these years, and I think I've used a built in SD card reader once...

Funny thing is, I had an external reader I used a LOT, but by the time they built them in, I had other options.
 
2021-02-27 1:21:44 PM  
What's wrong with USB-C to HDMI?

Hmm, an extra port that you might use a lot, vs a hdmi that you might never use.

Or might use all the time depending on your setup. Hmm, 6 of one
 
2021-02-27 1:31:30 PM  
So brave. Such innovation!

Any chance of them bringing back a USB-A port?
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-27 1:36:43 PM  

Mikey1969: All these years, and I think I've used a built in SD card reader once...

Funny thing is, I had an external reader I used a LOT, but by the time they built them in, I had other options.


Apple tries to cater to photographers.  Most cameras use full-sized SD cards, and newer cameras use SDXC, with a minimum of UHS-I, with higher end cameras using UHS-II.  Dropping the full-sized SD slot was stupid because it now meant photographers either had to use Micro-SD cards with adapters in their cameras and risk mislaying the tiny memory cards if having to swap them out to put them into the computer, or they had to carry more gear in the form of another adapter to plug the full SD card into one of their precious ports on the computer.

This sort of thing has become something of a theme with Apple.  Release a new higher-end UNIX-based laptop that actually has three USB-C ports, but require one for charging and equip that model with a keyboard that lacks a physical escape-key so editors like vi and other keyboard-intensive tasks are harder to work with.  Release a higher-end laptop with supposed video capabilities but remove the video ports for easy connection to commercial video equipment.

While I don't expect the physical Ethernet port to return, if Apple released a higher-end model with a good, high-res screen, a physical keyboard, a bunch of ports, and a proper SD card slot I would at least have to consider it.  But so far everything for the last ten years has some severe enough flaw that I simply can't justify the thing.  Last Apple laptop I've used that even came close was released circa 2011.  This was the series of connectors on one side:

Fark user image
This was useful to me.  I didn't have to carry peripherals.  Unfortunately one of the internal boards suffers cold solder joints and the video glitches out making the thing unusable.

A coworker uses one still that's a couple years newer and he has to carry adapters for everything.  whatever weight savings he got in the computer he lost with all of the crap taking up space in his bag.
 
2021-02-27 1:38:27 PM  
This is how you know Jobs is long gone
 
2021-02-27 1:38:28 PM  
It's one analyst's guess. You can save the Apple hate for when the product is announced.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-27 1:40:35 PM  

Gubbo: What's wrong with USB-C to HDMI?

Hmm, an extra port that you might use a lot, vs a hdmi that you might never use.

Or might use all the time depending on your setup. Hmm, 6 of one


I plug into a mini-HDMI slot on my work Lenovo laptop almost every day at home so I can use a second display easily.  At work I have a docking station but at home this has been easy enough that I haven't bothered bringing the dock home.  Plus if I want to connect to any random TV with HDMI all I have to have with me is a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable, there's no active electronics in the cable at all so it's cheap.

My wife saw my setup and liked it enough that she mimicked it for her personal laptop.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-27 1:47:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This is how you know Jobs is long gone


Steve Jobs died in 2011.  The touch bar was added five years after Jobs died.  The end of USB-A and full-sized SD coincided with the end of the model that debuted for 2015.

Apple certainly had a habit of deprecating-out connectors and interfaces, but it's tough to say if Jobs would have deprecated-out USB-A or full-sized SD under Jobs, especially if he was pragmatic about some of the markets that Apple served.

Tim Cook seems to try to mimic Jobs' methods on design but without really understanding why or what.  Under Cook the touchbar was released, under Cook the common ports and interfaces that many industry pros use disappeared.
 
2021-02-27 2:05:30 PM  

TWX: Mikey1969: All these years, and I think I've used a built in SD card reader once...

Funny thing is, I had an external reader I used a LOT, but by the time they built them in, I had other options.

Apple tries to cater to photographers.  Most cameras use full-sized SD cards, and newer cameras use SDXC, with a minimum of UHS-I, with higher end cameras using UHS-II.  Dropping the full-sized SD slot was stupid because it now meant photographers either had to use Micro-SD cards with adapters in their cameras and risk mislaying the tiny memory cards if having to swap them out to put them into the computer, or they had to carry more gear in the form of another adapter to plug the full SD card into one of their precious ports on the computer.

This sort of thing has become something of a theme with Apple.  Release a new higher-end UNIX-based laptop that actually has three USB-C ports, but require one for charging and equip that model with a keyboard that lacks a physical escape-key so editors like vi and other keyboard-intensive tasks are harder to work with.  Release a higher-end laptop with supposed video capabilities but remove the video ports for easy connection to commercial video equipment.

While I don't expect the physical Ethernet port to return, if Apple released a higher-end model with a good, high-res screen, a physical keyboard, a bunch of ports, and a proper SD card slot I would at least have to consider it.  But so far everything for the last ten years has some severe enough flaw that I simply can't justify the thing.  Last Apple laptop I've used that even came close was released circa 2011.  This was the series of connectors on one side:

[Fark user image image 588x80]
This was useful to me.  I didn't have to carry peripherals.  Unfortunately one of the internal boards suffers cold solder joints and the video glitches out making the thing unusable.

A coworker uses one still that's a couple years newer and he has to carry adapters for everything.  whatever weight savings he got in the computer he lost with all of the crap taking up space in his bag.


Apple chooses form over function and then tells the users that they're just going to have to adapt.

Remember a few years ago when the Air was going to just have the single USB-C port? Their answer was "everyone will just switch to wireless", which didn't happen.
 
2021-02-27 3:27:13 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This is how you know Jobs is long gone


Jony Ive, actually. Apples products have been slowly becoming more functional once he left, starting with the Magic Keyboards.
 
2021-02-27 3:30:17 PM  

Mikey1969: TWX: Mikey1969: All these years, and I think I've used a built in SD card reader once...

Funny thing is, I had an external reader I used a LOT, but by the time they built them in, I had other options.

Apple tries to cater to photographers.  Most cameras use full-sized SD cards, and newer cameras use SDXC, with a minimum of UHS-I, with higher end cameras using UHS-II.  Dropping the full-sized SD slot was stupid because it now meant photographers either had to use Micro-SD cards with adapters in their cameras and risk mislaying the tiny memory cards if having to swap them out to put them into the computer, or they had to carry more gear in the form of another adapter to plug the full SD card into one of their precious ports on the computer.

This sort of thing has become something of a theme with Apple.  Release a new higher-end UNIX-based laptop that actually has three USB-C ports, but require one for charging and equip that model with a keyboard that lacks a physical escape-key so editors like vi and other keyboard-intensive tasks are harder to work with.  Release a higher-end laptop with supposed video capabilities but remove the video ports for easy connection to commercial video equipment.

While I don't expect the physical Ethernet port to return, if Apple released a higher-end model with a good, high-res screen, a physical keyboard, a bunch of ports, and a proper SD card slot I would at least have to consider it.  But so far everything for the last ten years has some severe enough flaw that I simply can't justify the thing.  Last Apple laptop I've used that even came close was released circa 2011.  This was the series of connectors on one side:

[Fark user image image 588x80]
This was useful to me.  I didn't have to carry peripherals.  Unfortunately one of the internal boards suffers cold solder joints and the video glitches out making the thing unusable.

A coworker uses one still that's a couple years newer and he has to carry adapters for everything.  whatever weight savings he got in the computer he lost with all of the crap taking up space in his bag.

Apple chooses form over function and then tells the users that they're just going to have to adapt.

Remember a few years ago when the Air was going to just have the single USB-C port? Their answer was "everyone will just switch to wireless", which didn't happen.


That was a particularly bad decision since the MacBook in question used it for charging and video output. So unless you had a dock or other adapter, you couldn't plug in anything else while it was charging.
 
2021-02-27 3:34:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: TWX: Mikey1969: All these years, and I think I've used a built in SD card reader once...

Funny thing is, I had an external reader I used a LOT, but by the time they built them in, I had other options.

Apple tries to cater to photographers.  Most cameras use full-sized SD cards, and newer cameras use SDXC, with a minimum of UHS-I, with higher end cameras using UHS-II.  Dropping the full-sized SD slot was stupid because it now meant photographers either had to use Micro-SD cards with adapters in their cameras and risk mislaying the tiny memory cards if having to swap them out to put them into the computer, or they had to carry more gear in the form of another adapter to plug the full SD card into one of their precious ports on the computer.

This sort of thing has become something of a theme with Apple.  Release a new higher-end UNIX-based laptop that actually has three USB-C ports, but require one for charging and equip that model with a keyboard that lacks a physical escape-key so editors like vi and other keyboard-intensive tasks are harder to work with.  Release a higher-end laptop with supposed video capabilities but remove the video ports for easy connection to commercial video equipment.

While I don't expect the physical Ethernet port to return, if Apple released a higher-end model with a good, high-res screen, a physical keyboard, a bunch of ports, and a proper SD card slot I would at least have to consider it.  But so far everything for the last ten years has some severe enough flaw that I simply can't justify the thing.  Last Apple laptop I've used that even came close was released circa 2011.  This was the series of connectors on one side:

[Fark user image image 588x80]
This was useful to me.  I didn't have to carry peripherals.  Unfortunately one of the internal boards suffers cold solder joints and the video glitches out making the thing unusable.

A coworker uses one still that's a couple years newer and he has to carry adapters for everyt ...


So, selling a nice expensive dongle. Apples favorite business model :)
 
2021-02-27 3:43:09 PM  

TWX: Gubbo: What's wrong with USB-C to HDMI?

Hmm, an extra port that you might use a lot, vs a hdmi that you might never use.

Or might use all the time depending on your setup. Hmm, 6 of one

I plug into a mini-HDMI slot on my work Lenovo laptop almost every day at home so I can use a second display easily.  At work I have a docking station but at home this has been easy enough that I haven't bothered bringing the dock home.  Plus if I want to connect to any random TV with HDMI all I have to have with me is a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable, there's no active electronics in the cable at all so it's cheap.

My wife saw my setup and liked it enough that she mimicked it for her personal laptop.


You can do the same thing with a cheap USB-C to HDMI cable. They're $12-$15 or so on Amazon.

My wife just bought a new 34" widescreen from Dell that has 90W USB-C Power Delivery so with one cable you can plug in to the monitor, charge it up, and even use the monitor as a USB hub. Dell even makes one model with built in Ethernet
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-27 3:54:49 PM  

Mikey1969: Apple chooses form over function and then tells the users that they're just going to have to adapt.

Remember a few years ago when the Air was going to just have the single USB-C port? Their answer was "everyone will just switch to wireless", which didn't happen.


Sometimes Apple is successful with this approach.  I won't deny that it appeared to work for USB, in that it took a port that was basically stillborn on Windows PCs and made it work, but they were far less successful with Firewire and Thunderbolt 1 and 2.  Even when they were equipping Apple desktop computers with USB initially though, many of those computers also had ADB connectors on them for several generations before the USB interface completely replaced ADB, and this was in the Jobs-Return era.

Nowadays it feels like Apple is making changes willy-nilly and without allowing for time for the market for a new connector or method to take hold before they drop the old connector.  That Macbook Air is the perfect example, and it would not surprise me if some fairly significant chunk of buyers that already had peripherals they wanted to use ended up not buying because of the lack of compatibility.

Mad_Radhu: That was a particularly bad decision since the MacBook in question used it for charging and video output. So unless you had a dock or other adapter, you couldn't plug in anything else while it was charging.


And this was the model that had a physical escape key and F-keys.  Which is part why I was so annoyed, because if it had been equipped with multiple USB ports of any variety I might have been able to use it the way I wanted.  I ended up buying a pretty heavily loaded Dell XPS-13 with the higher-resolution screen, 16GB RAM, and a 512MB SSD, so it's not like I'm talking out my ass about buying a fairly expensive new computer, I shelled out good money for this Dell because I thought when I bought it that I was going to be happy with it.

Turns out I like having physical pageup/pagedown keys. Go figure.
 
2021-02-27 4:07:53 PM  

TWX: Mikey1969: Apple chooses form over function and then tells the users that they're just going to have to adapt.

Remember a few years ago when the Air was going to just have the single USB-C port? Their answer was "everyone will just switch to wireless", which didn't happen.

Sometimes Apple is successful with this approach.  I won't deny that it appeared to work for USB, in that it took a port that was basically stillborn on Windows PCs and made it work, but they were far less successful with Firewire and Thunderbolt 1 and 2.  Even when they were equipping Apple desktop computers with USB initially though, many of those computers also had ADB connectors on them for several generations before the USB interface completely replaced ADB, and this was in the Jobs-Return era.

Nowadays it feels like Apple is making changes willy-nilly and without allowing for time for the market for a new connector or method to take hold before they drop the old connector.  That Macbook Air is the perfect example, and it would not surprise me if some fairly significant chunk of buyers that already had peripherals they wanted to use ended up not buying because of the lack of compatibility.

Mad_Radhu: That was a particularly bad decision since the MacBook in question used it for charging and video output. So unless you had a dock or other adapter, you couldn't plug in anything else while it was charging.

And this was the model that had a physical escape key and F-keys.  Which is part why I was so annoyed, because if it had been equipped with multiple USB ports of any variety I might have been able to use it the way I wanted.  I ended up buying a pretty heavily loaded Dell XPS-13 with the higher-resolution screen, 16GB RAM, and a 512MB SSD, so it's not like I'm talking out my ass about buying a fairly expensive new computer, I shelled out good money for this Dell because I thought when I bought it that I was going to be happy with it.

Turns out I like having physical pageup/pagedown keys. ...


Yeah I've had 2 XPS 13's. Both had the keys. And I think they are back on the newest model again
 
2021-02-27 4:14:22 PM  
I work for Apple and our worst decision was selling macs with 128 gig drives.
 
2021-02-27 4:20:22 PM  

theflatline: I work for Apple and our worst decision was selling macs with 128 gig drives.


I'm still annoyed that Microsoft has made 128GB basically the default storage  for the Surface Pro 7 and it's typically a steep upcharge to get 256GB.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-27 5:11:04 PM  

Gubbo: Yeah I've had 2 XPS 13's. Both had the keys. And I think they are back on the newest model again


After my experiences with this one and the shiatty wifi that doesn't stay working because it's too close to the power/charging circuitry, the overheating and subsequent battery swelling, and the the keyboard getting where it doesn't respond well anymore, I doubt I'd buy another one.  This computer has been an expensive disappointment even with its Core I7 and 16GB RAM.

If a manufacturer would move away from the chicklet-type keyboard they'd probably be first on my list to consider, I hate having bezel between my keys.
 
2021-02-27 5:20:31 PM  

TWX: Gubbo: Yeah I've had 2 XPS 13's. Both had the keys. And I think they are back on the newest model again

After my experiences with this one and the shiatty wifi that doesn't stay working because it's too close to the power/charging circuitry, the overheating and subsequent battery swelling, and the the keyboard getting where it doesn't respond well anymore, I doubt I'd buy another one.  This computer has been an expensive disappointment even with its Core I7 and 16GB RAM.

If a manufacturer would move away from the chicklet-type keyboard they'd probably be first on my list to consider, I hate having bezel between my keys.


I have nothing but positive things to say about mine.

Oh, I could biatch a tiny bit that the fingerprint reader is proprietary and doesn't work on linux, but I don't care about that.

/different strokes
 
2021-02-27 5:20:57 PM  

Captain Scratch: It's one analyst's guess. You can save the Apple hate for when the product is announced.


Yep. The iHaters are so allergic to facts that this speculation about future products is the most their tiny brains can handle.
 
2021-02-27 5:23:47 PM  

bingethinker: Captain Scratch: It's one analyst's guess. You can save the Apple hate for when the product is announced.

Yep. The iHaters are so allergic to facts that this speculation about future products is the most their tiny brains can handle.


Who's hating on having ports that better serve one of the groups that apple most.clearly targets itself to?
 
2021-02-27 6:41:32 PM  

theflatline: I work for Apple and our worst decision was selling macs with 128 gig drives.


The 16 GB iPhones they sold as the base model went on for far too long.
 
2021-02-27 7:04:50 PM  

theflatline: I work for Apple and our worst decision was selling macs with 128 gig drives.


I can usually save money by buying the base model of a laptop and upgrading the drive/memory myself. It's super easy; go ahead and try it.
 
2021-02-27 7:07:06 PM  

Gubbo: bingethinker: Captain Scratch: It's one analyst's guess. You can save the Apple hate for when the product is announced.

Yep. The iHaters are so allergic to facts that this speculation about future products is the most their tiny brains can handle.

Who's hating on having ports that better serve one of the groups that apple most.clearly targets itself to?


Laptops are portable. Having lots of peripheral devices kinda defeats the purpose.
 
2021-02-27 7:49:11 PM  
Google "how to get SD card out of DVD drive"

tidbits.comView Full Size
 
2021-02-27 8:32:05 PM  
Full size SD cards too? Wow they still make those?
 
2021-02-27 8:50:02 PM  

I Like Bread: I can usually save money by buying the base model of a laptop and upgrading the drive/memory myself. It's super easy; go ahead and try it.


Apple has the SSD soldered to the logic board. You cannot upgrade it yourself.
 
2021-02-27 9:07:35 PM  

Captain Scratch: It's one analyst's guess. You can save the Apple hate for when the product is announced.


Why restrain your rage when you can rage twice?
 
2021-02-27 9:25:29 PM  
I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI
 
2021-02-27 11:18:50 PM  

sirgrim: Full size SD cards too? Wow they still make those?


Yes.  And of course adapters to take micro SD up to FS SD.

I'm not a professional photog but I'm going guess that that full size SD is about as small a thing that you'll want to be carrying and swapping around many times in a day.  I got a new 3D printer a few months ago and swapped print files between my PC and the printer via micro SD for the first couple of days.  The first time I dropped the SD card and had to fetch a flashlight and get on my hands and knees to find it on the floor, I decided I'd better setup the printer's WiFi.

Now imagine a professional photographer taking several hundred stills and 10s of videos on a paying shoot, then spilling their little box of micro SD cards in the grass at the end of the day.
 
2021-02-27 11:21:04 PM  

I Like Bread: theflatline: I work for Apple and our worst decision was selling macs with 128 gig drives.

I can usually save money by buying the base model of a laptop and upgrading the drive/memory myself. It's super easy; go ahead and try it.


Haha!

That's a good one, Crusty!
 
2021-02-28 12:11:34 AM  
SCSI or bust!
 
2021-02-28 1:20:12 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: TWX: Mikey1969: All these years, and I think I've used a built in SD card reader once...

Funny thing is, I had an external reader I used a LOT, but by the time they built them in, I had other options.

Apple tries to cater to photographers.  Most cameras use full-sized SD cards, and newer cameras use SDXC, with a minimum of UHS-I, with higher end cameras using UHS-II.  Dropping the full-sized SD slot was stupid because it now meant photographers either had to use Micro-SD cards with adapters in their cameras and risk mislaying the tiny memory cards if having to swap them out to put them into the computer, or they had to carry more gear in the form of another adapter to plug the full SD card into one of their precious ports on the computer.

This sort of thing has become something of a theme with Apple.  Release a new higher-end UNIX-based laptop that actually has three USB-C ports, but require one for charging and equip that model with a keyboard that lacks a physical escape-key so editors like vi and other keyboard-intensive tasks are harder to work with.  Release a higher-end laptop with supposed video capabilities but remove the video ports for easy connection to commercial video equipment.

While I don't expect the physical Ethernet port to return, if Apple released a higher-end model with a good, high-res screen, a physical keyboard, a bunch of ports, and a proper SD card slot I would at least have to consider it.  But so far everything for the last ten years has some severe enough flaw that I simply can't justify the thing.  Last Apple laptop I've used that even came close was released circa 2011.  This was the series of connectors on one side:

[Fark user image image 588x80]
This was useful to me.  I didn't have to carry peripherals.  Unfortunately one of the internal boards suffers cold solder joints and the video glitches out making the thing unusable.

A coworker uses one still that's a couple years newer and he has to carry adapters for everything.  whatever weight savings he got in the computer he lost with all of the crap taking up space in his bag.

Apple chooses form over function and then tells the users that they're just going to have to adapt.

Remember a few years ago when the Air was going to just have the single USB-C port? Their answer was "everyone will just switch to wireless", which didn't happen.

That was a particularly bad decision since the MacBook in question used it for charging and video output. So unless you had a dock or other adapter, you couldn't plug in anything else while it was charging.


Sort of. They were a little ahead of their time. You can send video and accept a charge over the same cable.

They really did need at least 2 ports though.
 
2021-02-28 3:41:45 AM  

Likwit: I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI


Through the wonders of technology you could just have both.

Here's a few suggestions on places they could put them:
Fark user imageView Full Size


And incredibly, there's three more sides on it with more places.
 
2021-02-28 6:27:53 AM  

dyhchong: Likwit: I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI

Through the wonders of technology you could just have both.

Here's a few suggestions on places they could put them:
[Fark user image image 850x211]

And incredibly, there's three more sides on it with more places.


Nah
 
2021-02-28 2:05:00 PM  

Mad_Radhu: My wife just bought a new 34" widescreen from Dell that has 90W USB-C Power Delivery so with one cable you can plug in to the monitor, charge it up, and even use the monitor as a USB hub. Dell even makes one model with built in Ethernet


I'd really like to see them add a second USB-C input so that the monitor could act as a KVM.   Double points if each USB peripheral port was configurable as switchable or persistent.  Triple points if the KVM still showed the monitor, keyboard, and mouse as connected to the inactive PC.

I have two laptops with USB-C hubs behind a KVM and the cable situation is a bit of a mess: three USB, three DP, and three power cables.  A KVM monitor that could reduce that clutter down to two USB-C cables would be fantastic.

/quadruple points if it was a 3840×2400 16:10 screen
 
2021-02-28 2:59:15 PM  

Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI

Through the wonders of technology you could just have both.

Here's a few suggestions on places they could put them:
[Fark user image image 850x211]

And incredibly, there's three more sides on it with more places.

Nah


Exactly, Apple users are gagging for Apple to screw them, like you have some sort of dominatrix relationship.

"Apple has imposed a limit, so I must restrict myself to that limit until my dying day. I shall never ask for more. And will live as if the limit is that of the bounds of reality."
 
2021-02-28 5:04:14 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI

Through the wonders of technology you could just have both.

Here's a few suggestions on places they could put them:
[Fark user image image 850x211]

And incredibly, there's three more sides on it with more places.

Nah

Exactly, Apple users are gagging for Apple to screw them, like you have some sort of dominatrix relationship.

"Apple has imposed a limit, so I must restrict myself to that limit until my dying day. I shall never ask for more. And will live as if the limit is that of the bounds of reality."


I had an HDMI port on my MacBook Pro and I used it once. It got filled up with dust and that was the end of it. I can get a USB-C to HDMI cable if I really need to plug into a TV. It's like $6. I don't have an HDMI to HDMI cable either, so it's exactly the same from a cost perspective. The HDMI port can only do one thing. Which is actually limited?
 
2021-02-28 5:10:19 PM  

Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI

Through the wonders of technology you could just have both.

Here's a few suggestions on places they could put them:
[Fark user image image 850x211]

And incredibly, there's three more sides on it with more places.

Nah

Exactly, Apple users are gagging for Apple to screw them, like you have some sort of dominatrix relationship.

"Apple has imposed a limit, so I must restrict myself to that limit until my dying day. I shall never ask for more. And will live as if the limit is that of the bounds of reality."

I had an HDMI port on my MacBook Pro and I used it once. It got filled up with dust and that was the end of it. I can get a USB-C to HDMI cable if I really need to plug into a TV. It's like $6. I don't have an HDMI to HDMI cable either, so it's exactly the same from a cost perspective. The HDMI port can only do one thing. Which is actually limited?


You're still talking as if the decision is HDMI vs Type-C.

It's not.
You could have Type-C AND HDMI.

Or not HDMI:

It could be Type-C AND Ethernet.

Or Type-C AND DisplayPort.

Or, hell, Type-C AND HDMI AND Ethernet.

It could be something that's useful to you, PLUS Type-C.

Or, even more incredible, it could be FOUR MORE TYPE-Cs.

The only reason you're thinking like you either get one or the other is because Apple has trained you to think that.

Here's the old MacBook Pro:
beta.techcrunch.comView Full Size


Apple have taken something from you, and given you nothing in return. It's not a scenario where you got Type-C out of the exchange. They didn't have to remove everything to put those Type-Cs in, they wanted to, to sell you dongles for profit.
 
2021-02-28 5:17:31 PM  
The thing I'm most salty about, which isn't Apple related because they would never lower themselves to provide something useful, is the loss of Port Replicators.

Everyone has binned them in favour of Thunderbolt, then not supplied Thunderbolt on the models that used to have Port Replicators and/or made Thunderbolt a paid extra.

Wankers.

Port Replicators farking rocked, and took nothing away from the models that had them, in Dells case they were flush on the bottom which affected no one, but opened up a whole new world for people who bought one. And they just farking worked, like a dream.
 
2021-02-28 5:20:47 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: I'd rather have an extra USB-C port than HDMI

Through the wonders of technology you could just have both.

Here's a few suggestions on places they could put them:
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And incredibly, there's three more sides on it with more places.

Nah

Exactly, Apple users are gagging for Apple to screw them, like you have some sort of dominatrix relationship.

"Apple has imposed a limit, so I must restrict myself to that limit until my dying day. I shall never ask for more. And will live as if the limit is that of the bounds of reality."

I had an HDMI port on my MacBook Pro and I used it once. It got filled up with dust and that was the end of it. I can get a USB-C to HDMI cable if I really need to plug into a TV. It's like $6. I don't have an HDMI to HDMI cable either, so it's exactly the same from a cost perspective. The HDMI port can only do one thing. Which is actually limited?

You're still talking as if the decision is HDMI vs Type-C.

It's not.
You could have Type-C AND HDMI.

Or not HDMI:

It could be Type-C AND Ethernet.

Or Type-C AND DisplayPort.

Or, hell, Type-C AND HDMI AND Ethernet.

It could be something that's useful to you, PLUS Type-C.

Or, even more incredible, it could be FOUR MORE TYPE-Cs.

The only reason you're thinking like you either get one or the other is because Apple has trained you to think that.

Here's the old MacBook Pro:
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Apple have taken something from you, and given you nothing in return. It's not a scenario where you got Type-C out of the exchange. They didn't have to remove everything to put those Type-Cs in, they wanted to, to sell you dongles for profit.


Why stop at display port? Why not add DVI? VGA? A barrel power connector? Sure you can charge via USB-C, but what if one time you desperately need to charge and there's only an old adapter from a PC lying around? Apple is stealing your functionality!!

More USB-C or nothing.
 
2021-02-28 5:50:54 PM  

Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: Why stop at display port? Why not add DVI? VGA? A barrel power connector? Sure you can charge via USB-C, but what if one time you desperately need to charge and there's only an old adapter from a PC lying around? Apple is stealing your functionality!!

More USB-C or nothing.


More USB-C was in my post.

It's funny, you were trying to be facetious but it depends on the market, VGA is totally something I'd include in a business IT environment as servers and industrial machinery still use them. And they are included in devices that get used in those environments.

VGA makes your Apple devices.

HDMI is still included on every new display.

DVI isn't used on anything, even industrial machinery didn't adopt it.

I also have a laptop I still use that has a serial port.

Also there's nothing wrong with a barrel power connector, it's a direct feed of the correct voltage. For the same reason that my TV isn't powered by Type-C. It's a good, cheap, proven technology that doesn't break. If anything happens to your USB controller, then your laptop stops working. If something happens to the USB controller on a device with a barrel power connector, even a driver failure, then you can continue to use it because Type-C power requires negotiation AND it sucks up one of your Type-C slots. If you've only got two, then that significantly limits your options.

So I completely agree, Apple IS stealing your functionality.
 
2021-02-28 5:53:28 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: Why stop at display port? Why not add DVI? VGA? A barrel power connector? Sure you can charge via USB-C, but what if one time you desperately need to charge and there's only an old adapter from a PC lying around? Apple is stealing your functionality!!

More USB-C or nothing.

More USB-C was in my post.

It's funny, you were trying to be facetious but it depends on the market, VGA is totally something I'd include in a business IT environment as servers and industrial machinery still use them. And they are included in devices that get used in those environments.

VGA makes your Apple devices.

HDMI is still included on every new display.

DVI isn't used on anything, even industrial machinery didn't adopt it.

I also have a laptop I still use that has a serial port.

Also there's nothing wrong with a barrel power connector, it's a direct feed of the correct voltage. For the same reason that my TV isn't powered by Type-C. It's a good, cheap, proven technology that doesn't break. If anything happens to your USB controller, then your laptop stops working. If something happens to the USB controller on a device with a barrel power connector, even a driver failure, then you can continue to use it because Type-C power requires negotiation AND it sucks up one of your Type-C slots. If you've only got two, then that significantly limits your options.

So I completely agree, Apple IS stealing your functionality.


It's unfortunate that you're so brainwashed.
 
2021-02-28 5:53:35 PM  
The fact that you have no understanding on technology that's still in use because Apple told you to forget about them, just nails home the fact that Apple products are consumer devices.

They're basically the whale penis leather version of devices people use for actually doing work.

https://jalopnik.com/1-5m-russian-suv​-​features-diamonds-whale-penis-leathe-5​380680
 
2021-02-28 5:56:09 PM  

Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: Why stop at display port? Why not add DVI? VGA? A barrel power connector? Sure you can charge via USB-C, but what if one time you desperately need to charge and there's only an old adapter from a PC lying around? Apple is stealing your functionality!!

More USB-C or nothing.

More USB-C was in my post.

It's funny, you were trying to be facetious but it depends on the market, VGA is totally something I'd include in a business IT environment as servers and industrial machinery still use them. And they are included in devices that get used in those environments.

VGA makes your Apple devices.

HDMI is still included on every new display.

DVI isn't used on anything, even industrial machinery didn't adopt it.

I also have a laptop I still use that has a serial port.

Also there's nothing wrong with a barrel power connector, it's a direct feed of the correct voltage. For the same reason that my TV isn't powered by Type-C. It's a good, cheap, proven technology that doesn't break. If anything happens to your USB controller, then your laptop stops working. If something happens to the USB controller on a device with a barrel power connector, even a driver failure, then you can continue to use it because Type-C power requires negotiation AND it sucks up one of your Type-C slots. If you've only got two, then that significantly limits your options.

So I completely agree, Apple IS stealing your functionality.

It's unfortunate that you're so brainwashed.


I love the irony of this post.

Whom could I have been brainwashed by? I'm not saying buy this company, or buy that company and no one else. Or is it a concerted effort from the rest of the world that isn't Apple to brainwash people?
 
2021-02-28 6:01:13 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: dyhchong: Likwit: Why stop at display port? Why not add DVI? VGA? A barrel power connector? Sure you can charge via USB-C, but what if one time you desperately need to charge and there's only an old adapter from a PC lying around? Apple is stealing your functionality!!

More USB-C or nothing.

More USB-C was in my post.

It's funny, you were trying to be facetious but it depends on the market, VGA is totally something I'd include in a business IT environment as servers and industrial machinery still use them. And they are included in devices that get used in those environments.

VGA makes your Apple devices.

HDMI is still included on every new display.

DVI isn't used on anything, even industrial machinery didn't adopt it.

I also have a laptop I still use that has a serial port.

Also there's nothing wrong with a barrel power connector, it's a direct feed of the correct voltage. For the same reason that my TV isn't powered by Type-C. It's a good, cheap, proven technology that doesn't break. If anything happens to your USB controller, then your laptop stops working. If something happens to the USB controller on a device with a barrel power connector, even a driver failure, then you can continue to use it because Type-C power requires negotiation AND it sucks up one of your Type-C slots. If you've only got two, then that significantly limits your options.

So I completely agree, Apple IS stealing your functionality.

It's unfortunate that you're so brainwashed.

I love the irony of this post.

Whom could I have been brainwashed by? I'm not saying buy this company, or buy that company and no one else. Or is it a concerted effort from the rest of the world that isn't Apple to brainwash people?


You're getting super worked up about the ports on a laptop. And who are you to gatekeep "actual work." My last MacBook Pro helped me get 4 or 5 articles in scholarly journals, finish my dissertation, publish 3 children's books, make countless advertisements and YouTube videos, design hundreds of restaurant menus, and more.

It doesn't necessarily take a megacorporation to brainwash people. The internet does a great job of crowdsourcing that these days.
 
2021-02-28 6:08:39 PM  

Likwit: You're getting super worked up about the ports on a laptop. And who are you to gatekeep "actual work." My last MacBook Pro helped me get 4 or 5 articles in scholarly journals, finish my dissertation, publish 3 children's books, make countless advertisements and YouTube videos, design hundreds of restaurant menus, and more.

It doesn't necessarily take a megacorporation to brainwash people. The internet does a great job of crowdsourcing that these days.


So you would have been perfectly served by a device that wasn't Apple, as all computers can do those things.

However Apple computers can not do a lot of things that people need for their work.

I can use a $30 battery drill for doing some of my work, but I wouldn't consider its absence of functionality to become the definition of drills for all people doing their work worldwide.

I would consider my drill consumer junk and would absolutely conclude that it doesn't have the capability of supplanting the work of a lot of industrial drills. HOWEVER the industrial drills can be used to do the same thing that my drill can do.

Any computer can be used to do the things you described, but an Apple computer can't do a lot required in the business world due to intentional absence of functionality. That's what makes it consumer junk and not for doing real work.
 
2021-02-28 6:11:44 PM  
So I could buy an industrial drill, and do my work, but you couldn't buy my drill and do industrial work.

Much like you could buy a non-Apple device and do your work, but you couldn't buy an Apple device and do the industrial work.

Both my drill, and your laptop, are less capable than a business device, but we can use them for our work.
 
2021-02-28 6:16:31 PM  

dyhchong: Likwit: You're getting super worked up about the ports on a laptop. And who are you to gatekeep "actual work." My last MacBook Pro helped me get 4 or 5 articles in scholarly journals, finish my dissertation, publish 3 children's books, make countless advertisements and YouTube videos, design hundreds of restaurant menus, and more.

It doesn't necessarily take a megacorporation to brainwash people. The internet does a great job of crowdsourcing that these days.

So you would have been perfectly served by a device that wasn't Apple, as all computers can do those things.

However Apple computers can not do a lot of things that people need for their work.

I can use a $30 battery drill for doing some of my work, but I wouldn't consider its absence of functionality to become the definition of drills for all people doing their work worldwide.

I would consider my drill consumer junk and would absolutely conclude that it doesn't have the capability of supplanting the work of a lot of industrial drills. HOWEVER the industrial drills can be used to do the same thing that my drill can do.

Any computer can be used to do the things you described, but an Apple computer can't do a lot required in the business world due to intentional absence of functionality. That's what makes it consumer junk and not for doing real work.


No one but that strawman you've built is saying it's the perfect laptop for all professionals.
 
2021-02-28 6:26:41 PM  

Likwit: No one but that strawman you've built is saying it's the perfect laptop for all professionals.


Uhh, I don't really understand how that works. It's a laptop that can be used for making documents. But not for lots of other things.

For example when I go to an office (or actually, several offices) in Hong Kong and they have trash wireless and you need to sit at a desk and plug into power, an RJ-45 and some sort of USB machine and whoops, too many ports being used, I guess I'll unplug my power, darn, I've just hopped off a flight and was using my laptop the whole time and the battery is low. Unplug the RJ-45? Well, no, I can't connect to the network anymore.

Do I have to start carting around a docking station?

Often I can also just borrow someone's power adapter now as well if, for some reason I don't have mine (or I don't have a international power plug on me) because there is only a couple standards left and mine only needs a 35W adapter.

Dell and HP use the same large power adapter seen on their business models (the consumer rebranded ones, like XPS, use a smaller adapter which is annoying)

And ASUS, MSI, Toshiba and a couple others use the world standard 5.5x2.5mm. And they all use 18.5-19.5V which is interchangeable 99% of the time.

I actually just shoved a Toshiba power adapter into an industrial filling machine this afternoon that took an 18V input.

So yeah, I'd roll with something that supports more standards as being the perfect laptop for professionals, because there's ALWAYS that one weird scenario, like that one time you used HDMI.
 
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