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(Tampa Bay Times)   Florida Sheriff's Office then flags certain children, including those who have received a D or F on a report card or missed school three or more times in a quarter   (tampabay.com) divider line
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2021-02-27 11:13:51 AM  
"BOLO Ferris Bueller.  Shoot to kill."
 
2021-02-27 11:20:18 AM  
A Florida school district using Lombroso's "criminal man" as a guide to segregate and label isn't even a surprise at this point.
 
2021-02-27 12:17:12 PM  
Sending children to prison is what America is all about.  We lead the world by a wide margin in that category.  We can't afford a toddler gap.
 
2021-02-27 1:48:50 PM  
This is called the 'School-To-Prison' pipeline.
 
2021-02-27 1:51:09 PM  
What in the fark?

This is a terrible country.
 
2021-02-27 3:51:51 PM  
"The Sheriff's Office then flags certain children, including those who have received a D or F on a report card or missed school three or more times in a quarter."

Obviously they're using this information for future recruiting purposes.
 
2021-02-27 4:16:04 PM  
Pasco Sheriffs are corrupt assholes, what else is new.
 
2021-02-27 4:16:50 PM  
Well they should be taking kids like this and you know set an example for them. Show them there is a better way but instead they use it to profile them when they turn 18.
 
2021-02-27 4:16:58 PM  
"oh dont worry they only flag black children its not a problem for you mrs white-person"
 
2021-02-27 4:17:32 PM  
Nobody believes that "permanent record" stuff they threaten you with is true, but.....
 
2021-02-27 4:18:05 PM  
I recognize the desire to try to prevent something like the Majory Stoneman Douglas shooting to occur again.

IDK, maybe you could legislate guns instead of children's school progress instead?

The second amendment was put in place when you needed a firearm to cross NY's Central Park, because of predators. Can't anyone argue that the USA isn't the Wild West any more? Oh, I forgot. Russia.

Carry on, blame the children.
 
2021-02-27 4:19:43 PM  
As someone who has lived near the Pasco/Pinellas border his whole life, let me just say that you've always needed a pretty compelling reason to get me to go to Pasco, heh. Pasco Sheriffs are a big reason why. The meth-head neo-Nazis they protect is the other.
 
2021-02-27 4:20:42 PM  

starsrift: I recognize the desire to try to prevent something like the Majory Stoneman Douglas shooting to occur again.

IDK, maybe you could legislate guns instead of children's school progress instead?

The second amendment was put in place when you needed a firearm to cross NY's Central Park, because of predators. Can't anyone argue that the USA isn't the Wild West any more? Oh, I forgot. Russia.

Carry on, blame the children.


You might wanna read that amendment again...
 
2021-02-27 4:21:40 PM  

leeksfromchichis: starsrift: I recognize the desire to try to prevent something like the Majory Stoneman Douglas shooting to occur again.

IDK, maybe you could legislate guns instead of children's school progress instead?

The second amendment was put in place when you needed a firearm to cross NY's Central Park, because of predators. Can't anyone argue that the USA isn't the Wild West any more? Oh, I forgot. Russia.

Carry on, blame the children.

You might wanna read that amendment again...


Yes, but no.
 
2021-02-27 4:22:54 PM  
I'm so glad I got the fark out of florida.  I lived there for all of 3 years and it was way too farking long.
 
2021-02-27 4:24:41 PM  
At least they weren't using precogs in a milk bath...
 
2021-02-27 4:30:08 PM  
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2021-02-27 4:34:06 PM  

SoupGuru: What in the fark?

This is a terrible country.


Florida is just the shiatty diaper of our nation.
 
2021-02-27 4:35:40 PM  

WTFDYW: SoupGuru: What in the fark?

This is a terrible country.

Florida is just the shiatty diaper of our nation.


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Riddled with derpes.
 
2021-02-27 4:36:46 PM  
Am I too late to blame Vice President Harris for this?
 
2021-02-27 4:36:58 PM  
For what? Future cops?
 
2021-02-27 4:37:52 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Pasco Sheriffs are corrupt assholes, what else is new.


You might want to take a look at the school system that is sharing the info as well.
 
2021-02-27 4:41:33 PM  

CruiserTwelve: "The Sheriff's Office then flags certain children, including those who have received a D or F on a report card or missed school three or more times in a quarter."

Obviously they're using this information for future recruiting purposes.


Ok, that was witty.
Hold on, you're a cop, so someone had to have told you that one!

/kidding, you know where I stand on cops
//pelvis and stomach
///again, kidding ;) thanks for your service
 
2021-02-27 4:42:42 PM  
The Sheriff's Department flags "certain children" as potential future criminals, based on files shared with them by the school district.

Yeah, that's not subject to any possibility of bias or misuse in any way whatsoever.
 
2021-02-27 4:43:07 PM  
A Times investigation in November found that the Sheriff's Office uses the information to make a secret list of schoolchildren it thinks could become future criminals.



Funny how being followed around and harassed by cops all day has a way of turning future criminals into criminals.
 
2021-02-27 4:45:43 PM  
I lived in Northern Pinellas County in the 70s and early 80s.  St. Petersburg and Clearwater were nice places, if a little sleepy.  On the beaches, where I lived, cannabis was more popular than coke, and not hard to find... even if it was often Mexican dirtweed.

Then the developers turned the strand into a copy of Miami/Ft.Lauderdale and the place went to shiat.

Pasco County, though... it was indistinguishable from South Georgia, except instead of swamps and gators they had mangrove beach jungles.  The only time I went there was when I worked for a geology firm and did soil samples to make sure folks weren't going to build on quicksand.

We learned quickly to avoid the locals.
 
2021-02-27 4:49:38 PM  
the full statement from the Pasco Sheriff's Office:

We are unyielding in our support for this program that protects our children


Well I guess that's that. If the Sheriff's Office doesn't want to yield, there's no force on earth that can make them. It's not like the school can opt out of leaking student records to the cops or anything.
 
2021-02-27 4:50:31 PM  

SoupGuru: What in the fark?

This is a terrible country.


Wounded Knee is sort of a red flag.
JFC ppl.
 
2021-02-27 4:52:03 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Pasco Sheriffs are corrupt assholes, what else is new.


Sheriffs was originally watching out for slaves trying to escape

/
ALSO read up on the Texas Rangers.
farked up.
 
2021-02-27 4:52:22 PM  

leeksfromchichis: WTFDYW: SoupGuru: What in the fark?

This is a terrible country.

Florida is just the shiatty diaper of our nation.

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Riddled with derpes.


Florida, America's Colostomy Bag.
 
2021-02-27 4:54:19 PM  
This article makes me feel like my mind is twisting into a pretzel.

So, is this totalitarian plan to provide school data to LEO the result of deluded, do-gooder ninnies who really think that, by wiping their behinds on the Fourth Amendment, that they are protecting kids and improving the school?

Or, are these folks, in fact, committed to destroying public schools from the inside out in order to usher in for-profit charter schools?

Regardless of motivation, how do we keep people like this from utterly destroying public schools by converting them entirely into pre-prison facilities designed to pipe the maximum number of kids into our for-profit prison system?

How do we stop them?
 
2021-02-27 4:55:18 PM  
I mean, do the studies show a strong link between academic performance, truancy, and crime?

Oh? They do. I see nothing wrong here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC3831577/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-met​-​prison-truancy-20130219-story.html
 
2021-02-27 4:59:05 PM  

The Flexecutioner: leeksfromchichis: WTFDYW: SoupGuru: What in the fark?

This is a terrible country.

Florida is just the shiatty diaper of our nation.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 553x554]

Riddled with derpes.

Florida, America's Colostomy Bag.


Hey now, as someone with an ostomy, I take umbrage with this statement. At least you can empty most of the crap from a colostomy bag.
 
2021-02-27 5:01:22 PM  

Bruscar: Regardless of motivation, how do we keep people like this from utterly destroying public schools by converting them entirely into pre-prison facilities designed to pipe the maximum number of kids into our for-profit prison system?

How do we stop them?


Imprison more white people?

Pasco County is like, 97% white.


Prisons are getting Whiter. That's one way mass incarceration might end.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outloo​k​/prisons-are-getting-whiter-thats-one-​way-mass-incarceration-might-end/2021/​02/26/28db008c-7535-11eb-948d-19472e68​3521_story.html
 
2021-02-27 5:04:33 PM  
Holy fark. Americans are farked up. We all have our problems, but Americans. Are. Farked. Up.
 
2021-02-27 5:06:16 PM  

Bruscar: This article makes me feel like my mind is twisting into a pretzel.

So, is this totalitarian plan to provide school data to LEO the result of deluded, do-gooder ninnies who really think that, by wiping their behinds on the Fourth Amendment, that they are protecting kids and improving the school?

Or, are these folks, in fact, committed to destroying public schools from the inside out in order to usher in for-profit charter schools?

Regardless of motivation, how do we keep people like this from utterly destroying public schools by converting them entirely into pre-prison facilities designed to pipe the maximum number of kids into our for-profit prison system?

How do we stop them?


We don't call them out.
People acted like that Texas mayor said something WRONG.
But. All he did was tow the party line.
He told his constituents that it was their responsibility to deal with not having electricity and a fix that issue for their respective families.
It should be shouted from every corner and atop every single buliding; this is what they believe.
Because it is. And one says it loud enough.
Their catchphrases
Like:
Smaller government.
Aren't called out ENOUGH.
Instead people were mortified at what the Texas Mayor said.
From this point forward everyone should be stopping any GOP from talking.
Look here GOP person, you, that Texas mayor spilled the truth of what you callus maggots think.
Ted Cruz is the exact same issue.
He took his family to Cancun.
Again this is the party line if you have the money to fix your situation that's your prerogative and good fortune anyone else not having such good luck has simply failed to plan ahead and make opportunities for themselves to fix their own emergencies.

And I'm not being hyperbolic.
This is how we ended up with a horrible compromise of emergency rooms can't turn You away but health care costs an arm and a leg.

Because this is what Republicans think however you happen to find yourself is your own fault and you should suffer.
Perfect example the whole personal responsibility scapegoat situation.
No one is responsible for school shootings except the shooter.

Why do we let such bullshiat continue to come out of their mouths?

The GOP and the extreme religious rights are knee deep in Calvin's bed.

They believe in suffering and pain and it's up to each individual to find money to fix that for themselves individually.

We need to really call out and point out what their beliefs really mean and how it all really plays out.

because every member of the GOP is that stupid Texas Mayor that told people to figure out their situation for themselves.
 
2021-02-27 5:09:00 PM  

Wanderlusting: I mean, do the studies show a strong link between academic performance, truancy, and crime?

Oh? They do. I see nothing wrong here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC3831577/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-met-​prison-truancy-20130219-story.html


So the American education system works just about as well as the American justice system.

Maybe universal health care isn't such a great idea after all.
 
2021-02-27 5:13:57 PM  
i think they started this in 2018.
this is not news here.
 
2021-02-27 5:26:47 PM  

CruiserTwelve: "The Sheriff's Office then flags certain children, including those who have received a D or F on a report card or missed school three or more times in a quarter."

Obviously they're using this information for future recruiting purposes.


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2021-02-27 5:42:23 PM  
This is just downright evil.
 
2021-02-27 5:56:14 PM  

Wanderlusting: I mean, do the studies show a strong link between academic performance, truancy, and crime?

Oh? They do. I see nothing wrong here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC3831577/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-met-​prison-truancy-20130219-story.html


You seem to be missing the point. The cops get student information from the school district, including attendance, grades, and disciplinary files. The cops decide "certain students" need to be watched as "potential future criminals".

There's no objective evidence saying a student missing three days of school per quarter is a determining factor in becoming a criminal. Lots of students miss more than that per quarter, often for years at a time, without becoming criminals. Did you ever get a D or F in school? According to the cops, that makes you a potential future criminal. Einstein didn't do well in school, and obviously became a career criminal. Oh, wait. That didn't happen, because the whole premise is bullshiat.

This is really just a means for the cops to focus their attention on children the teachers or school administrators feel are "bad kids", based on how the teachers/administrators like those students. Students who do poorly in school aren't necessarily criminals, but this program seems set up to make them criminals- because the teachers and administrators think they're going to become criminals. Obviously, school teachers and administrators have the inside scoop on what the future holds.

The police have no business seeing any student's record without a warrant.
 
2021-02-27 6:26:04 PM  

starsrift: I recognize the desire to try to prevent something like the Majory Stoneman Douglas shooting to occur again.

IDK, maybe you could legislate guns instead of children's school progress instead?

The second amendment was put in place when you needed a firearm to cross NY's Central Park, because of predators. Can't anyone argue that the USA isn't the Wild West any more? Oh, I forgot. Russia.

Carry on, blame the children.


Hey, man, go unarmed if you want. But I've seen stories about coyotes living in Central Park.
 
2021-02-27 6:26:46 PM  
I went into this assuming some kind of national program, but that doesn't seem yo be the case.

From supplemental links

"In September, a Times investigation found that the department monitored and harassed people who were deemed likely to commit crimes in the future. They were targeted by an algorithm that considered their arrest history, whether they had been suspected of a crime and whether they had been a victim to multiple crimes, among other factors.  Deputies showed up at the targets' homes repeatedly, looking for reasons to write code enforcement tickets or make arrests.

In November, the Times revealed that the agency also kept track of middle and high schoolers in the county who were likely to "fall into a life of crime" based on criteria that included whether they had bad grades or experienced household abuse and trauma."

They're getting railroaded by an algorithm, cradle to grave.
 
2021-02-27 7:06:35 PM  

Wenchmaster: Did you ever get a D or F in school? According to the cops, that makes you a potential future criminal. Einstein didn't do well in school, and obviously became a career criminal. Oh, wait. That didn't happen, because the whole premise is bullshiat.


Yeah. That is bullshiat. Einstein was an excellent student
***********
Taking a look at Einstein's high school certification records, which he received upon finishing high school at 16 in 1896, It turns out Einstein was an excellent student, not a terrible one, as often said. However, according to the archives, he left because he couldn't handle the strict discipline and authority.
 
2021-02-27 7:47:17 PM  

Wanderlusting: I mean, do the studies show a strong link between academic performance, truancy, and crime?

Oh? They do. I see nothing wrong here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC3831577/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-met-​prison-truancy-20130219-story.html


Think there might be some socio-economic factors underpinning the symptoms of poor academic performance and truancy? Like maybe if we shifted some funds from treating the symptoms to actually addressing the underlying disease, we might need less policing down the road?
 
2021-02-27 7:55:44 PM  
Thats probably a serious violation of the federal education privacy laws.
 
2021-02-27 8:12:37 PM  

Flowery Twats: Thats probably a serious violation of the federal education privacy laws.


I doubt FISA courts agree.
 
2021-02-27 8:21:19 PM  
School to prison pre-crime pipeline.
 
2021-02-27 8:34:47 PM  

Wanderlusting: I mean, do the studies show a strong link between academic performance, truancy, and crime?

Oh? They do. I see nothing wrong here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC3831577/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-met-​prison-truancy-20130219-story.html


so what, is this Minority Report all of a sudden? Plenty of kids who are depressed or have a learning disability might have bad grades or absences. Not threats to society, but cops following them around might cause some issues. Like say being extra suicidal.
 
2021-02-27 9:41:39 PM  
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