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2021-02-27 9:04:33 AM  
Rule 1 : Be white
Rule 2 : If you can't be white, bring a white friend
Rule 3 : Kiss the cop's ass. They get off on that power trip shiat
 
2021-02-27 9:05:11 AM  
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
Youtube uj0mtxXEGE8
 
2021-02-27 9:46:14 AM  
"Citizen, if you do not behave in the state-proscribed manner, then agents of the State will have no choice but to escalate your traffic stop to a capital offense."
 
2021-02-27 10:07:21 AM  
The cop cams should be in our driver's door mirror, with local and cloud recording.
 
2021-02-27 10:40:29 AM  
That's really going to help Justine Damond.
 
2021-02-27 12:14:52 PM  
Just treat them like you would treat any other heavily armed person who was naturally paranoid and on the verge of having a freakout.

Move slowly, keep your hands visible, talk friendly, and give them what they want, no matter how unreasonable.

The sad thing is I'm not really kidding here. I've had positive outcomes almost every time I've had to interact with police, but then again I've always treated the situation like the guy/lady is all methed up and has a gun to my head. And that's with me being a middle-aged fat guy driving a moderately fancy car. I understand the cops LOVE that demographic.

Police training is in desperate need of truly radical reform. There also needs to be a purging of the ranks. Also there needs to be adequately funded social services on immediate call to take care of all sorts of urgent situations that cops should never have to get themselves involved in.

Legalizing weed everywhere would probably help a lot, too. Not only would that get rid of a primary BS reason to search cars, maybe if everybody got to take a hit now and then we could all chill the fark out a bit.

Sadly, I doubt I will see all or most of those changes in my lifetime.

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All that said, I agree that "how to deal with being pulled over by a cop" is something that needs to be thoroughly addressed in driver's ed and in driver's tests. Even with the reforms I listed above, it would be a good idea for everybody to know a few important things that can make the cop a lot more relaxed when interacting with you-- like shut off the engine. Turn on the hazard lights. And if it's nighttime, turn on your cab light.

People-- AND POLICE-- also need to know things like it's OK to refuse a search request, and what you are and are not required to tell the officer.
 
2021-02-27 12:59:48 PM  

SpectroBoy: [YouTube video: Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!]


Dave Chappelle: Talking to the Police | HBO
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2021-02-27 1:28:28 PM  
So, basically, how to "obey authority"

They do like thems some authoritarian stuff, don't they?
 
2021-02-27 1:37:18 PM  
That is one backasswards state.
 
2021-02-27 1:42:03 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: So, basically, how to "obey authority"

They do like thems some authoritarian stuff, don't they?


You misspelled AUTHORATAH!
 
2021-02-27 1:43:53 PM  
Wtf is wrong with that corner of the country?
 
2021-02-27 1:43:57 PM  
*Cop shoots citizen*
"There.  That'll teach 'em."
 
2021-02-27 1:44:20 PM  
The best way? SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Except "I am invoking my right to remain silent."
 
2021-02-27 1:45:24 PM  
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You know, Judge Dredd was created as a parody of the direction America was headed - NOT A ROADMAP.
 
2021-02-27 1:46:44 PM  

mateomaui: Wtf is wrong with that corner of the country?


Sure, 'that corner'.
 
2021-02-27 1:47:03 PM  
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2021-02-27 1:48:07 PM  

Riche: like shut off the engine. Turn on the hazard lights. And if it's nighttime, turn on your cab light.


Because cops love seeing a driver make all kinds of movements in the car before they walk up to it.  Keep your hands on the wheel and the window up until they get to the car.  Then roll down your window and don't start reaching into your pockets or the glove compartment until they ask you for whatever it is they need.  Keep your mouth shut, and wait until after they write the ticket or hand you back your info to call them a piece of shiat.
 
2021-02-27 1:48:08 PM  
This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.
 
2021-02-27 1:50:12 PM  

scalpod: mateomaui: Wtf is wrong with that corner of the country?

Sure, 'that corner'.


Every corner is farked, I'm just curious about that particular corner this moment.
 
2021-02-27 1:51:45 PM  
Maybe if we made guns harder to carry and own cops wouldn't be so afraid of everyone, which is what this seems to all be about.  (brave cops, give me a break)

But, no, we must have crazy and unlimited access to weapons of death, like the founders wanted (not).
 
2021-02-27 1:56:20 PM  

ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.


Yup.
 
2021-02-27 1:57:05 PM  

pgh9fan: The best way? SAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Except "I am invoking my right to remain silent."


Better yet, hand them a calling card that says so.  Saying something that says you're remaining silent could confuse them.
 
2021-02-27 1:59:27 PM  

ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.


Teaching people how not to be a victim of crime is stupid.  Why don't they just teach criminals not to be criminals?
 
2021-02-27 2:01:39 PM  

ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.


Or black people not to piss off white people or they could be lynched. (If only he hadn't made Bubba mad...)
 
2021-02-27 2:05:46 PM  

Jeebus Saves: ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.

Teaching people how not to be a victim of crime is stupid.  Why don't they just teach criminals not to be criminals?


Now what does that tell you about the police?

What could it be?
 
2021-02-27 2:05:59 PM  
Wow. Is the course called, 'Blame the Victim'?
 
2021-02-27 2:10:06 PM  
easy. roll down your window a quarter of the way, keeps your hands in the air, hand the officer your license with your mouth, and keep yelling 'please don't shoot' throughout the traffic stop.
 
2021-02-27 2:13:03 PM  

ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.


No, it's not, though the Fark circlejerk will surely disapprove of Independent Thinking.

What it is is addressing a problem from another angle.  Police training, better recruitment, greater accountability and higher standards, these things all address the problems from the police side.  But there's another side, and it's the side of the person in the car getting stopped.  If there's a way for you to make yourself less likely to be shot, you should do the thing.

Police reform is more important in the long run, but in the short term, not doing anything to panic the half-trained rookie who's spent a year being told that "the enemy" is "going to get them" and sitting through training seminars showing video after video after video of cops getting shot by actual hardened criminals during traffic stops?  That's going to help, too.  God forbid you should have to do your part to keep things under control.
 
2021-02-27 2:13:38 PM  
In Georgia the tail wags the dog.
 
2021-02-27 2:14:15 PM  
For the betterment of themselves and society, we tend to put rabid dogs down.
 
2021-02-27 2:16:30 PM  
So, do we need to just scrap the concept of a civilian law enforcement in that state at this point? Because clearly, if you have to learn how to engage in a non confrontational manner with a LEO, are they truly a civilian now? This is all kinds of farked up.
 
2021-02-27 2:18:14 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Jeebus Saves: ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.

Teaching people how not to be a victim of crime is stupid.  Why don't they just teach criminals not to be criminals?

Now what does that tell you about the police?

What could it be?


That cops have different expectations of what should happen during traffic stops than drivers, and it helps to inform drivers of what to do during one in order to avoid a bad situation.
 
2021-02-27 2:19:57 PM  
Headline should be "Georgia to offer public lessons on licking boot leather to reduce chances of getting murdered by police."  AMERICA fark YEAH!
 
2021-02-27 2:22:35 PM  
Brooks fell asleep while in a Wendy's drive-thru and was questioned by police for 40 minutes before getting into a scuffle

"I was tired and I fell asleep. I am not intoxicated and I do not take prescriptions drugs. Sorry about that, officers."
That Q&A session would not take 40 minutes, unless you're deliberately trying to provoke someone into doing what they did.
 
2021-02-27 2:23:31 PM  

ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.


You can say the same thing about every 'obviously wrong' crime.

"Why do we spend more time teaching people to lock their car doors and secure their belongings than we spend teaching people not to steal?!?"

And while it might sound good initially, a tiny bit of consideration shows us why we do it that way....

The people committing the crimes know it is wrong. They *want* to do the crime. It's not a teachable moment. They will simply ignore the lesson. I don't steal because I don't know how not to steal, I steal because I want something without paying for it.

I have a three year old that intuitively  understands that it is wrong to do bad things to other people. A three year old who still poops and lies about it... I'm not dealing with the next Einstein here.

Nobody, who isn't severely mentally impaired, needs a class to know how not to steal. That's the default. Nobody needs a class in 'how not to rape'.

The idea that nobody is bad, and that we can solve all our problems with a webinar, sure feels great though, doesn't it? If someone would have just sat down and had a class with that serial killer, or that school shooter and explained how not to kill people.... We could all be friends!

Classes on how to *prevent* stealing, and other crimes, are very useful though. Because the people we are teaching *want* to avoid the crime. Criminals who rape and steal *want* to do those things. They actively do them. And they are very risky things to do. They don't just want to do them, they want to do them so badly, they are willing to go to prison to get to do them
 
2021-02-27 2:28:36 PM  

NutWrench: Brooks fell asleep while in a Wendy's drive-thru and was questioned by police for 40 minutes before getting into a scuffle

"I was tired and I fell asleep. I am not intoxicated and I do not take prescriptions drugs. Sorry about that, officers."
That Q&A session would not take 40 minutes, unless you're deliberately trying to provoke someone into doing what they did.


He did fail a field sobriety test.  And then took a cops taser and fought with the cops.  So I'm going to guess that part of the reason he was questioned for 40 minutes was because he was passed out drunk behind the wheel, not oops, fell asleep for a second.
 
2021-02-27 2:32:44 PM  

SpectroBoy: Rule 1 : Be white
Rule 2 : If you can't be white, bring a white friend
Rule 3 : Kiss the cop's ass. They get off on that power trip shiat


I can verify that #1 and #3 are accurate.

///white guy
//pulled over twice in 40 years of driving
/two polite warnings
 
2021-02-27 2:36:58 PM  
Its easy. Just don't be acting like a gangster.

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Shit Gangsters SHOULD NOT Say
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2021-02-27 2:37:33 PM  
"I feel that a strong curriculum put throughout the state will reduce a lot of violence and a lot of confusion when citizens come in contact with law enforcement officers, especially during traffic stops," Robertson said.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2021-02-27 2:41:33 PM  
a). Open mouth
b). Start sucking
c). They like it if you use your tongue
d). Suck until cop is done
e). Swallow
f).  Don't forget to say : "Thank you officer !"
 
2021-02-27 2:51:16 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.

You can say the same thing about every 'obviously wrong' crime.

"Why do we spend more time teaching people to lock their car doors and secure their belongings than we spend teaching people not to steal?!?"

And while it might sound good initially, a tiny bit of consideration shows us why we do it that way....

The people committing the crimes know it is wrong. They *want* to do the crime. It's not a teachable moment. They will simply ignore the lesson. I don't steal because I don't know how not to steal, I steal because I want something without paying for it.

I have a three year old that intuitively  understands that it is wrong to do bad things to other people. A three year old who still poops and lies about it... I'm not dealing with the next Einstein here.

Nobody, who isn't severely mentally impaired, needs a class to know how not to steal. That's the default. Nobody needs a class in 'how not to rape'.

The idea that nobody is bad, and that we can solve all our problems with a webinar, sure feels great though, doesn't it? If someone would have just sat down and had a class with that serial killer, or that school shooter and explained how not to kill people.... We could all be friends!

Classes on how to *prevent* stealing, and other crimes, are very useful though. Because the people we are teaching *want* to avoid the crime. Criminals who rape and steal *want* to do those things. They actively do them. And they are very risky things to do. They don't just want to do them, they want to do them so badly, they are willing to go to prison to get to do them


So with all of that... what does that say about law enforcement? A sentiment like this is akin to saying:

"We know the cops are power-hungry confrontational assholes, so here's how to better prevent them from beating or killing you during a routine traffic stop".

They are not only admitting that there is a problem in the ranks, but that said problem is outside of their ability to correct, almost like the cops are some sort of untouchable criminal enterprise where confrontation with them is inevitable. Essentially the cops are criminals, so here's how to better protect yourself from said criminals.
 
2021-02-27 2:53:52 PM  
How cute - they want to give lessons on the proper demeanor to people who might be suspected of misdemeanors.
 
2021-02-27 2:57:22 PM  
Grovel, now, scrape.  Make sure to make no sudden challenges to their ego or sense of authority.
 
2021-02-27 2:58:19 PM  
Treat them as if they were a crazy motherf'ker with a lethal weapon and the authority granted by the state to use it in any manner they see fit on anyone within range.

The state knows there are people like these in their employ that we the taxpayers foot the bill for, so instead of removing these dangerous people they want to teach everyone else how to be careful around these dangerous people. Right.
 
2021-02-27 3:00:23 PM  
Can Georgia be any worse?

F*ck the police. #ACAB
 
2021-02-27 3:12:00 PM  

Riche: Move slowly, keep your hands visible, talk friendly, and give them what they want, no matter how unreasonable.


Except there are situations where people did that and still got ventilated.  And by people, I mean non-albinos.  When Bubba wants to murder, Bubba is going to murder, and there isn't a damned thing you can do to stop that.  And Bubba will get a commendation and pay raise for scratching his itch.  There are no "safe ways to deal with Bubba" - there is just "Is Bubba wanting to get his rocks off today?"
 
2021-02-27 3:13:21 PM  
This is undoubtedly going to be exactly what everyone guesses, about how to suck up real hard and provide new excuses for shooting anyone who didn't follow whatever rules they just made up.

But it does suck that I never actually learned how to interact with police. Even the whole bit where you have license and registration in hand when they walk up to you, I had to figure that out myself. It could even be useful as they develop the curriculum to think, "what is it we actually want them to do, and have everyone do the same thing".

I'm sure it'll be a shiatshow instead. But it didn't have to be awful. It's just going to be.
 
2021-02-27 3:16:18 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: So with all of that... what does that say about law enforcement? A sentiment like this is akin to saying:

"We know the cops are power-hungry confrontational assholes, so here's how to better prevent them from beating or killing you during a routine traffic stop".


In reality, they're not killing 99.9% of people they pull over.  What they are doing 100% of the time is looking for a reason to dig deeper.  That's when people are taken out of the car and things get stupid.  Teaching people how to act during a traffic stop is going to curb that, and that's a good thing.  Because without fundamental changes to the laws themselves and everything that supports those laws, what a cop does isn't going to change.  But when you go down that road of reevaluating our laws and asking if it really is worth it to enforce them, suddenly you support drunk driving and killing kids.
 
2021-02-27 3:16:47 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Bonzo_1116: Jeebus Saves: ketkarsa: This feels kind of like teaching women how to prevent being raped but spending zero time or effort teaching men NOT TO RAPE.

Teaching people how not to be a victim of crime is stupid.  Why don't they just teach criminals not to be criminals?

Now what does that tell you about the police?

What could it be?

That cops have different expectations of what should happen during traffic stops than drivers, and it helps to inform drivers of what to do during one in order to avoid a bad situation.


Odd how police in other countries don't seem to have these differing expectations to the point that they need to instruct their citizenry on how not to get shot.  It's almost like the problem isn't with the people.
 
2021-02-27 3:21:18 PM  

Jeebus Saves: fuhfuhfuh: So with all of that... what does that say about law enforcement? A sentiment like this is akin to saying:

"We know the cops are power-hungry confrontational assholes, so here's how to better prevent them from beating or killing you during a routine traffic stop".

In reality, they're not killing 99.9% of people they pull over.  What they are doing 100% of the time is looking for a reason to dig deeper.  That's when people are taken out of the car and things get stupid.  Teaching people how to act during a traffic stop is going to curb that, and that's a good thing.  Because without fundamental changes to the laws themselves and everything that supports those laws, what a cop does isn't going to change.  But when you go down that road of reevaluating our laws and asking if it really is worth it to enforce them, suddenly you support drunk driving and killing kids.


So... cops are looking for a reason, ANY reason, to escalate the situation, so here are ways to try to prevent that.

So cops really are criminals and people need to be trained on how to deal with them to reduce the chances of incident. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Though... one would think that the role of law enforcement would be DE-escalation, but I guess that would make too much sense and get in the way of adding more charges or getting to a point where violence is "justified".
 
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