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2021-02-27 4:47:32 AM  
A post apocalyptic end of the world anime where humans are being hunted by machines? How innovative!
 
2021-02-27 5:59:35 AM  

nemobeamo: A post apocalyptic end of the world anime where humans are being hunted by machines? How innovative!


No kidding
 
2021-02-27 6:34:39 AM  
Predator, Alien and Terminator are three movie franchises that all suffer from the same problem: They don't know what to do with themselves since their stories were all sufficiently told in the first movie. There's no generalized arc or expansive world to plot a path around for each installment.

So what we get instead are rehashed dreck or inane retconning that makes absolutely no convoluted sense.
 
2021-02-27 7:00:40 AM  

Ishkur: Predator, Alien and Terminator are three movie franchises that all suffer from the same problem: They don't know what to do with themselves since their stories were all sufficiently told in the first movie. There's no generalized arc or expansive world to plot a path around for each installment.

So what we get instead are rehashed dreck or inane retconning that makes absolutely no convoluted sense.


There are possible avenues for all of them. The problem is getting the right people involved. When B-Movie directors, writers, and producers get involved, you get cheaply, poorly made sequels that make no sense and fail at entertaining. Get good people involved and they can actually come up with something good.
 
2021-02-27 7:05:26 AM  
So, female terminators that look 12 with big eyes and improbably large breasts?
 
2021-02-27 7:25:02 AM  

Alphax: So, female terminators that look 12 with big eyes and improbably large breasts?


Female terminators that look 12 with big eyes and breasts of variable size*

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2021-02-27 7:33:08 AM  
Seems to me they're all basically different versions of Michael Myers of Jason Voorhees.

Killers who seemingly can't be stopped.

You can throw in space ships or time travel, but they're all just more of the same
 
2021-02-27 7:47:15 AM  
Liquid. Metal. Tentacles.
 
2021-02-27 7:52:41 AM  

Bslim: Liquid. Metal. Tentacles.


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2021-02-27 7:56:02 AM  

Boojum2k: Bslim: Liquid. Metal. Tentacles.

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That was an awesome scene.
 
2021-02-27 8:41:38 AM  

Ishkur: Predator, Alien and Terminator are three movie franchises that all suffer from the same problem: They don't know what to do with themselves since their stories were all sufficiently told in the first movie. There's no generalized arc or expansive world to plot a path around for each installment.

So what we get instead are rehashed dreck or inane retconning that makes absolutely no convoluted sense.


That's not true.  For example, the Alien series has a perfect story arc.

First film: Company sends a commercial ship to investigate alien signal, Lt. Ridley is the only survivor.

Second film: Military goes to LV-426 with Riley as an advisor to investigate.  Marines get their asses kicked, again Ripley survives.

Third film: Ripley is only survivor of a crash on to a prison planet.  She's infected, and ends up sacrifice herself at the end to kill the last xenomorph.

Thats nearly a perfect story arc.

Same with Terminator.

First film:  Terminator is sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so John Connor won't be born.  Sarah survives.

Second film:  Terminator is sent back to kill John Connor.  Future John sends a reprogrammed terminator to protect his past self.  John and Sarah survive.

Third film:  Terminator sent back to save John, Sarah having died of cancer, from another terminator.  John and his future wife survive Judgement Day, which is necessary because without Judgement Day, no terminators.

Perfect story arc.

Subsequent films in those series might change that a bit, but doesn't matter with terminator films, because it's about time travel.  You can mess with the story arc infinitely.

Predator not so much, but you don't really need a story arc.  Each film can stand on its own.  In fact, I'd love to see a historical predator film, maybe one set in the Caribbean during the golden age of piracy in the late 17th and early 18th Century (like implied at the end of Predator 2), or perhaps in feudal Japan, as implied in Predators.  Maybe even in a WWII setting in the Pacific.
 
2021-02-27 8:48:54 AM  
dittybopper:

First film:  Terminator is sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so John Connor won't be born.  Sarah survives


That's the only Terminator story arc or closed loop that makes any sense.

*Terminator 2 is a fun action film but at the same time makes the whole thing a useless exercise.
 
2021-02-27 8:50:58 AM  
useless
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2021-02-27 9:02:05 AM  
Black Lagoon AMV - Black Betty
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2021-02-27 9:04:02 AM  
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Because of course she's a Terminator.
 
2021-02-27 9:04:14 AM  
The special effects will be cheaper to do.
 
2021-02-27 9:08:08 AM  
Funny thing about the original Predator film.  It's from 1987, which is at least 33 years ago, but it looks pretty modern.

Imagine if it had been made in 1957, and watching it in 1991.  Setting aside special effects issues, All of the guns and equipment would have looked ancient.  No satellite radio, probably a Morse code only HF radio.  No M-16A2's, probably M-1 Garands, or maybe FN-FALs.  No MP-5s, probably M-3A1 Grease Guns.  No M-60, probably a Browning M-1919A6 or a BAR.  Rifle grenades instead of an M-203.

Even the uniforms make more sense:  Woodland camo BDUs make more sense in a Central American jungle than any of the ACU patterns.
 
2021-02-27 9:09:56 AM  

Bslim: dittybopper:

First film:  Terminator is sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so John Connor won't be born.  Sarah survives


That's the only Terminator story arc or closed loop that makes any sense.

*Terminator 2 is a fun action film but at the same time makes the whole thing a useless exercise.


As I pointed out, it's a film series about time travel.  It doesn't have to necessarily make sense, but I think you're wrong and it does for the first three films.
 
2021-02-27 9:18:31 AM  
A T-1000 waifu? Things could get ugly, people.
 
2021-02-27 9:19:24 AM  

dittybopper: Bslim: dittybopper:

First film:  Terminator is sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so John Connor won't be born.  Sarah survives


That's the only Terminator story arc or closed loop that makes any sense.

*Terminator 2 is a fun action film but at the same time makes the whole thing a useless exercise.

As I pointed out, it's a film series about time travel.  It doesn't have to necessarily make sense, but I think you're wrong and it does for the first three films.


I think you like the films (so do I, for the most part) but no. Once Reese succeeds in the first film the loop is closed and Skynet loses, that was the end of the story. That's what makes sense storywise.
 
2021-02-27 9:23:42 AM  
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Because OF COURSE Remilia is Sarah and Flandre is John.
 
2021-02-27 9:24:15 AM  
Part 2.
【東方MMD】幻想の殺人機 #2【再現】
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2021-02-27 9:33:18 AM  
One more link and then I'm off to be a productive human being.


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The worldwide fascination with the Terminator francise is remarkable.  Especially the Japanese one, to the point that I blame 90% of mecha anime on Terminator.

Also, Madoka Magica.  Because obvs Homura is a Terminator.
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2021-02-27 9:35:01 AM  
Only if it breaks down into giant robot smackdowns. But would one go Real Robot, like Gundam or Macross? Or Super Robot, i.e. Mazinger and Gao Gai Gar?
 
2021-02-27 9:36:56 AM  
Netflix is funding it? So they'll be using the cheapest, shiattiest CGI they can find?
 
2021-02-27 9:39:41 AM  
I just realized I absolutely want a shoujo version of Terminator.
 
2021-02-27 9:40:03 AM  

dittybopper: Funny thing about the original Predator film.  It's from 1987, which is at least 33 years ago, but it looks pretty modern.

Imagine if it had been made in 1957, and watching it in 1991.  Setting aside special effects issues, All of the guns and equipment would have looked ancient.  No satellite radio, probably a Morse code only HF radio.  No M-16A2's, probably M-1 Garands, or maybe FN-FALs.  No MP-5s, probably M-3A1 Grease Guns.  No M-60, probably a Browning M-1919A6 or a BAR.  Rifle grenades instead of an M-203.

Even the uniforms make more sense:  Woodland camo BDUs make more sense in a Central American jungle than any of the ACU patterns.


War accelerates technological progress.

We haven't really had one since 1991.
 
2021-02-27 9:40:48 AM  

Bslim: dittybopper: Bslim: dittybopper:

First film:  Terminator is sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so John Connor won't be born.  Sarah survives


That's the only Terminator story arc or closed loop that makes any sense.

*Terminator 2 is a fun action film but at the same time makes the whole thing a useless exercise.

As I pointed out, it's a film series about time travel.  It doesn't have to necessarily make sense, but I think you're wrong and it does for the first three films.

I think you like the films (so do I, for the most part) but no. Once Reese succeeds in the first film the loop is closed and Skynet loses, that was the end of the story. That's what makes sense storywise.


No.  There was a broken chip and an arm full of new and interesting alloys left over.  It bootstrapped Judgement Day, didn't stop it.

/it's a shame they never made more than just the two movies, a Future War movie would have been cool
 
2021-02-27 9:43:17 AM  

dittybopper: Funny thing about the original Predator film.  It's from 1987, which is at least 33 years ago, but it looks pretty modern.

Imagine if it had been made in 1957, and watching it in 1991.  Setting aside special effects issues, All of the guns and equipment would have looked ancient.  No satellite radio, probably a Morse code only HF radio.  No M-16A2's, probably M-1 Garands, or maybe FN-FALs.  No MP-5s, probably M-3A1 Grease Guns.  No M-60, probably a Browning M-1919A6 or a BAR.  Rifle grenades instead of an M-203.

Even the uniforms make more sense:  Woodland camo BDUs make more sense in a Central American jungle than any of the ACU patterns.


I just figured out a way to make that happen, as a period piece.  Set it in Cuba during the Cuban Revolution.  The team could be WWII/Korean vets turned mercenaries hired by the Batista regime to "rescue government officials" from the Communists, but the real intent of their CIA minder is to assassinate Fidel Castro.

They get dropped into the Cuban jungle by Piaseki HUP dual rotor choppers flying out of Guantanamo, and it mirrors the original film from then on.

Oh, and replace the minigun with an MG-42 or MG-3.

And it fits with what we know about predators.  They like hot climates (AvP and AvP 2 notwithstanding), and they are drawn to areas of conflict.  And they are in their element in the jungle.

You could even tie it into UFO sightings in the 1950s and Area 51 / Hanger 18.  Have the body of the defeated predator brought back to the US for study and that's the genesis of those rumors.
 
2021-02-27 9:45:44 AM  

Ishkur: dittybopper: Funny thing about the original Predator film.  It's from 1987, which is at least 33 years ago, but it looks pretty modern.

Imagine if it had been made in 1957, and watching it in 1991.  Setting aside special effects issues, All of the guns and equipment would have looked ancient.  No satellite radio, probably a Morse code only HF radio.  No M-16A2's, probably M-1 Garands, or maybe FN-FALs.  No MP-5s, probably M-3A1 Grease Guns.  No M-60, probably a Browning M-1919A6 or a BAR.  Rifle grenades instead of an M-203.

Even the uniforms make more sense:  Woodland camo BDUs make more sense in a Central American jungle than any of the ACU patterns.

War accelerates technological progress.



That is basically the plot device of Sora to Woto.  It occurs after a world-ending war, and for some reason Romans speak German and Japanese speak English or something, and the oceans are dead/were killed, and techology has devolved heavily, and military higher-ups promote war as a way to bring humanity out of its funk.
 
2021-02-27 9:53:55 AM  

dittybopper: That's not true. For example, the Alien series has a perfect story arc.


No. You are wrong.

About the only original Alien movie is the sequel, but Alien3 doesn't know what story to tell, and part of the allure of the alien species itself is its ambiguity. That's the problem with sequels: The monster is no longer scary and mysterious. We know all about its lifecycle, its habits, its defense mechanisms, so those revelations aren't plot points anymore and the series is rudderless.

And the more we know, the less interesting the subject matter becomes (cf. Prometheus, which explained the space jockey's race, something we absolutely DID NOT have to know and shouldn't know. The derelict is a haunted house in space, it doesn't require explanation).

Predator also has a somewhat serviceable sequel as the first film didn't spend a lot of time explaining the alien, which is good. So it introduced new weapons, new hunting tactics, new setting, and even a sneak peak at their lifestyle and culture. There is still some gold to mine here, but it must be done selectively and carefully, and respectful of canon (cf. Predators).

But the Terminator franchise is the absolute worst. Every movie is simply a rehash of the first one. If it wants to move forward, it needs to retire the "time traveling assassin" plots (in fact just stop using time travel altogether) and do something else. Trouble is no one's sure what, and the one attempt at doing so was abysmal.

It's like what if every Star Wars movie was about a planet killer weapon that they had to destroy by the end. It would get kind of droll and repetitive. Oh wait, they did do that for 3.5 movies, didn't they.
 
2021-02-27 9:59:55 AM  

Bslim: dittybopper: Bslim: dittybopper:

First film:  Terminator is sent back in time to kill Sarah Connor so John Connor won't be born.  Sarah survives


That's the only Terminator story arc or closed loop that makes any sense.

*Terminator 2 is a fun action film but at the same time makes the whole thing a useless exercise.

As I pointed out, it's a film series about time travel.  It doesn't have to necessarily make sense, but I think you're wrong and it does for the first three films.

I think you like the films (so do I, for the most part) but no. Once Reese succeeds in the first film the loop is closed and Skynet loses, that was the end of the story. That's what makes sense storywise.


Except no.  Without Reese going back, John Connor is not conceived.  It's a necessary part:  without John, there is no reason to send back terminators.  There is no reason for Skynet not to send more terminators.

Every film happens on a separate timeline.  Every time something happens, we jump from one parallel universe to another.  That's an inherent property of a series about time travel.  You're looking at it like time is completely linear, when in fact it isn't.  That's how you can fark with the story in a non-linear fashion like Terminator: Genesis and Terminator: Dark Fate.
 
2021-02-27 10:02:26 AM  
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2021-02-27 10:09:05 AM  

Ishkur: dittybopper: Funny thing about the original Predator film.  It's from 1987, which is at least 33 years ago, but it looks pretty modern.

Imagine if it had been made in 1957, and watching it in 1991.  Setting aside special effects issues, All of the guns and equipment would have looked ancient.  No satellite radio, probably a Morse code only HF radio.  No M-16A2's, probably M-1 Garands, or maybe FN-FALs.  No MP-5s, probably M-3A1 Grease Guns.  No M-60, probably a Browning M-1919A6 or a BAR.  Rifle grenades instead of an M-203.

Even the uniforms make more sense:  Woodland camo BDUs make more sense in a Central American jungle than any of the ACU patterns.

War accelerates technological progress.

We haven't really had one since 1991.


You're right, but not really when it comes to small arms development.

The AR platform dates to the late 1950s.  It was adopted by the US military in the late 1960s.  And we're still using the same basic gun.

That's because we're essentially at a plateau in small arms development.  There hasn't been a significant development for decades.  All of the improvements have been small, incremental ones, not revolutionary like the introduction of self-loading rifles, or smokeless powder, or metallic cartridges, or percussion ignition, etc.

And we've had wars since Vietnam, and supported wars elsewhere, so it's not like there hasn't been pressure.  Currently we are still at war in Afghanistan, which is now the longest actual shooting war in US history, now at 19 years and counting.
 
2021-02-27 10:37:31 AM  

dittybopper: And we've had wars since Vietnam, and supported wars elsewhere, so it's not like there hasn't been pressure. Currently we are still at war in Afghanistan, which is now the longest actual shooting war in US history, now at 19 years and counting.


Those aren't wars, they're just piddling little conflicts.

I'm talking about something on the scale of WWII, that mobilizes the entire country toward a single purpose. Once you get the entire population behind a thing, with all the benefits of industry to boot, you start to see rapid advancements in the application of that thing.

Look how fast we put a man on the moon. Look how fast we developed multiple Covid vaccines. It's amazing how fast we can solve problems when the political will is there.

And when there's a big war, watch how quickly ray guns show up.
 
2021-02-27 10:48:53 AM  

Ishkur: dittybopper: That's not true. For example, the Alien series has a perfect story arc.

No. You are wrong.

About the only original Alien movie is the sequel, but Alien3 doesn't know what story to tell, and part of the allure of the alien species itself is its ambiguity.



Alien:Resurrection was the best Alien movie, but it was simply a pre-telling of Firefly/Serenity.

/Jayne: "I am not a man with whom to fark!"
 
2021-02-27 11:42:46 AM  
I hope it is brutal as hell, as one would expect from a story about killer robots sent back in time to assassinate a threat.
 
2021-02-27 11:44:44 AM  
No.
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2021-02-27 12:09:33 PM  
The  reason is M-O-N-E-Y.
 
2021-02-27 12:35:16 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: I hope it is brutal as hell, as one would expect from a story about killer robots sent back in time to assassinate a threat.


You know what?  fark it.

I was going to post a big treatise on how Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a retelling of The Terminator because it involves someone (a girl, in this case) falling in love with a girl and then traveling back in time to save her, with lots and lots of guns, from an evil creature with glowing red eyes.

But no.  Fark it.  Japan seems to have an amazing attraction to X-Men as well (there were a few X-Men/Wolverine anime, and there is a current Deadpool manga) so you get this instead.  24 reasons why a story about a man with a metal skeleton sent back in time to correct history is like a story about a man with a metal skeleton sent back in time to correct history.


24 Reasons Terminator 2 & Xmen DOFP Are the Same Movie
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/srsly, watch it.
/apparently T2 was actually an inspiration for DOFP
 
2021-02-27 12:57:26 PM  
I've always thought Terminator deserves a series about a group of resistance fighters and a couple terminators bouncing around throughout history, trying to stop each other and making swiss cheese out of time- you know, blowing up the pyramids mid-construction, gun fights in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, accidentally leaving Genghis Khan a 40-watt plasma rifle...
 
2021-02-27 1:28:01 PM  

FatherChaos: When B-Movie directors, writers, and producers get involved, you get cheaply, poorly made sequels that make no sense and fail at entertaining.


Terminator and Predator are both B-movies.
 
2021-02-27 1:56:01 PM  

DoctorFarkGood: I've always thought Terminator deserves a series about a group of resistance fighters and a couple terminators bouncing around throughout history, trying to stop each other and making swiss cheese out of time- you know, blowing up the pyramids mid-construction, gun fights in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, accidentally leaving Genghis Khan a 40-watt plasma rifle...


That last bit actually reminds me of the game Darkest of Days.  You're a time traveler and at one point an officer in the US civil war gets his hands on an assault rifle.

/Reviews are apparently "Mostly Positive" on Steam, but thought it was kinda meh.  Only finished it because it was short - <5 hours.
 
2021-02-27 2:20:28 PM  

DoctorFarkGood: I've always thought Terminator deserves a series about a group of resistance fighters and a couple terminators bouncing around throughout history, trying to stop each other and making swiss cheese out of time- you know, blowing up the pyramids mid-construction, gun fights in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, accidentally leaving Genghis Khan a 40-watt plasma rifle...


Rick and Morty  forever destroyed any suspension of disbelief for any "go back in time to save x" stories. The snake planet episode took that premise to the inevitable conclusion that it is basically impossible to stop EVER unless a Deus ex machina puts an end to it.
 
2021-02-27 2:43:30 PM  

Ishkur: dittybopper: And we've had wars since Vietnam, and supported wars elsewhere, so it's not like there hasn't been pressure. Currently we are still at war in Afghanistan, which is now the longest actual shooting war in US history, now at 19 years and counting.

Those aren't wars, they're just piddling little conflicts.

I'm talking about something on the scale of WWII, that mobilizes the entire country toward a single purpose. Once you get the entire population behind a thing, with all the benefits of industry to boot, you start to see rapid advancements in the application of that thing.

Look how fast we put a man on the moon. Look how fast we developed multiple Covid vaccines. It's amazing how fast we can solve problems when the political will is there.

And when there's a big war, watch how quickly ray guns show up.


We started WWII with the M-1 Garand, the Colt 1911A1, the BAR, the M-1919, and the M-2.

The only improvement we made was replacing the Thompson with the Grease Gun.

All of the US improvements in small arms in the 20th Century mostly happened between wars.
 
2021-02-27 3:18:41 PM  

Mister Peejay: Alien:Resurrection was


A terrible farking movie.
 
2021-02-27 3:20:50 PM  

DoctorFarkGood: I've always thought Terminator deserves a series about a group of resistance fighters and a couple terminators bouncing around throughout history, trying to stop each other and making swiss cheese out of time- you know, blowing up the pyramids mid-construction, gun fights in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, accidentally leaving Genghis Khan a 40-watt plasma rifle...


Yeah? And just how does he recharge it, smart ass?

Any modern tech is completely useless in the past. There is no infrastructure to support it.
 
2021-02-27 3:22:28 PM  

dittybopper: All of the US improvements in small arms in the 20th Century mostly happened between wars.


No, they happened because of the wars.
 
2021-02-27 3:37:26 PM  

Ishkur: Mister Peejay: Alien:Resurrection was

A terrible farking movie.


It's okay to be wrong, as long as you accept it.
 
2021-02-27 4:06:14 PM  

Mister Peejay: Ishkur: Mister Peejay: Alien:Resurrection was

A terrible farking movie.

It's okay to be wrong, as long as you accept it.


Oh, the irony.
 
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