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2021-02-26 2:45:36 PM  
"You mean to tell me that every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, it's my duty to track down the offender?"

--Christopher "The Dude" Wray
 
2021-02-26 8:06:14 PM  
What do you mean there are consequences for my actions!? Can't you see I'm white and call myself a patriot?! That's a license to do whatever I want!
 
2021-02-26 8:08:59 PM  
Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.
 
2021-02-26 8:10:04 PM  
I'm not a scientist or doctor- I might've thought the urea and ammonia content within urine might have made DNA sampling difficult-

Guess its a GOOD thing I'm not a scientist or doctor...
 
2021-02-26 8:11:53 PM  
Biden should furlough a bunch of minorities currently in fedpen for nonviolent drug offenses to make room for all of the incoming insurrectionists.
 
2021-02-26 8:14:01 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.


All the time we hear about how from Farkers who would "piss on Trump's grave". Same principle at play here.
 
2021-02-26 8:15:12 PM  

Shaggy_C: KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.

All the time we hear about how from Farkers who would "piss on Trump's grave". Same principle at play here.


Well, I would. Also, do you still hate the Queen?
 
2021-02-26 8:16:45 PM  
Fta: ""We're here. Time to find some brass and kick some frickin' ass."

That one may come up in court.

IANAL, hunch thingy.
 
2021-02-26 8:17:07 PM  

fearmongert: I'm not a scientist or doctor- I might've thought the urea and ammonia content within urine might have made DNA sampling difficult-

Guess its a GOOD thing I'm not a scientist or doctor...


And the arti le says nothing about match g DNA.

Though, since he bragged about it it does give a reasonable expectation that if they found urine it's his... Especially is it contains the hormonal markers of a man.
 
2021-02-26 8:18:24 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Well, I would. Also, do you still hate the Queen?


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2021-02-26 8:21:01 PM  
Indecent exposure?  Throw a sex offender tag on him too.
 
2021-02-26 8:24:33 PM  

HerptheDerp: What do you mean there are consequences for my actions!? Can't you see I'm white and call myself a patriot?! That's a license to do whatever I want!


Republican propaganda made these morons actually believe that they're patriots, rather than insurrectionists. People who know better did this to these morons so the wealthy could keep their taxes low.
 
2021-02-26 8:31:47 PM  
I've yet to see any of the insurrectionists charged with, you know, insurrection.  Is that reserved for the organizers of the insurrection?  Does it take more time and evidence? Also, isn't every insurrectionist liable for the five deaths during the insurrection under some statute/legal doctrine, e.g., the felony murder rule, or is that only applicable at a state level where it's specifically in that state's penal code?
 
2021-02-26 8:35:27 PM  

Shaggy_C: KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.

All the time we hear about how from Farkers who would "piss on Trump's grave". Same principle at play here.


The difference being Trump kinda likes it. So I've heard
 
2021-02-26 8:37:41 PM  
Can some law-talking' guy riddle me this, Batman?  Why is it that not a single one of these cockbites is being charged with sedition?  Most are just charged with misdemeanors like trespassing.  It's pissing me off!
 
2021-02-26 8:38:50 PM  
I should have (defecated) on her chair."

Classy.
 
2021-02-26 8:39:17 PM  

fearmongert: I'm not a scientist or doctor- I might've thought the urea and ammonia content within urine might have made DNA sampling difficult-

Guess its a GOOD thing I'm not a scientist or doctor...


It's possible but the data quality is often not very good.

So it's hard to get a ( •_•)>⌐■-■  (⌐■_■) good pee-value.
 
2021-02-26 8:44:17 PM  
OK. I'll say it.
Urine trouble now!
 
2021-02-26 8:46:59 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.


There is a big push lately to cast these idiots as "mentally ill" instead of "stupid and malicious". I don't know why, but its wrong and it needs to stop.
 
2021-02-26 8:48:59 PM  

Lost_in_Korea: Can some law-talking' guy riddle me this, Batman?  Why is it that not a single one of these cockbites is being charged with sedition?  Most are just charged with misdemeanors like trespassing.  It's pissing me off!


Its hard to prove. You need to be able to show clear intent coupled with present ability, and that's just not evident here.
 
2021-02-26 8:51:46 PM  

HerptheDerp: What do you mean there are consequences for my actions!? Can't you see I'm white and call myself a patriot?! That's a license to do whatever I want!


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2021-02-26 8:57:16 PM  
Well, she probably does have a private bathroom...
 
2021-02-26 9:03:13 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.


Yep. Millions and millions of 'em.

This many freakishly dumb people, so vulnerable to total delusion born of pointless hatred, suggests that America never was particularly exceptional.
 
2021-02-26 9:06:26 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.

Yep. Millions and millions of 'em.

This many freakishly dumb people, so vulnerable to total delusion born of pointless hatred, suggests that America never was particularly exceptional.


I guess think of your IQ Bell curve and think of the bottom 30%.
 
2021-02-26 9:11:43 PM  
So they went into the Capitol, peed in there and wiped dookie on the walls? Typical white trash behavior. These people are filthy, subhuman garbage. I still don't know why they weren't executed on the spot.
 
2021-02-26 9:30:35 PM  
Everybody knows, that the world is full of stupid people.
So meet me st the mission at midnight
We'll divvy up there...
 
2021-02-26 9:46:11 PM  
"Spermbot
I've yet to see any of the insurrectionists charged with, you know, insurrection."

It's the old man's balls legal theory: low hanging fruit.

You go with the charges you know you can prove, maybe throw in a few that you might dismiss. But you're free to add charges later, especially if it looks like there might be a high paid lawyer that might get enough doubt to dismiss the entry level charges. Then you might make it expensive by throwing every possible charge at them, which takes a lot longer to try in court.

Or in other words, a conviction is a conviction, and it doesn't make sense to go big when you can stack a lot of provable charges together and get roughly the same sentence.
 
2021-02-26 10:11:09 PM  

recondite cetacean: "Spermbot
I've yet to see any of the insurrectionists charged with, you know, insurrection."

It's the old man's balls legal theory: low hanging fruit.

You go with the charges you know you can prove, maybe throw in a few that you might dismiss. But you're free to add charges later, especially if it looks like there might be a high paid lawyer that might get enough doubt to dismiss the entry level charges. Then you might make it expensive by throwing every possible charge at them, which takes a lot longer to try in court.

Or in other words, a conviction is a conviction, and it doesn't make sense to go big when you can stack a lot of provable charges together and get roughly the same sentence.


Pretty much this. Sedition is a "really" hard wall to surmount. While 4 or 5 felonies are pretty easily provable IE: Q: "Where you there?" A: "Guilty". Take what you can prove. Hopefully it's enough (it won't be. enough of these farkers will think they got away with it). Every single person there is guilty of sedition IMHO. Just by being present to interrupt a valid and legal confirmation. even if you didn't get into the building. You were there and did nothing to stop it, that's abetting. While I realize that may be a little unfair, since one person would have little hope changing things. If you didn't leave the area ASAP? Your complicit.
 
2021-02-26 11:44:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.

There is a big push lately to cast these idiots as "mentally ill" instead of "stupid and malicious". I don't know why, but its wrong and it needs to stop.


Anything not to correctly assess them as evil.
 
2021-02-27 12:33:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Lost_in_Korea: Can some law-talking' guy riddle me this, Batman?  Why is it that not a single one of these cockbites is being charged with sedition?  Most are just charged with misdemeanors like trespassing.  It's pissing me off!

Its hard to prove. You need to be able to show clear intent coupled with present ability, and that's just not evident here.


Plenty of that in the statements of the POTUS, the mob organizers, and the very public statements both before and after the insurrection.  The fact of the insurrection shows ability.
 
2021-02-27 12:37:21 AM  

recondite cetacean: "Spermbot
I've yet to see any of the insurrectionists charged with, you know, insurrection."

It's the old man's balls legal theory: low hanging fruit.


Apparently, you're not old enough to know that old men's balls retract, not go lower.

You go with the charges you know you can prove, maybe throw in a few that you might dismiss. But you're free to add charges later, especially if it looks like there might be a high paid lawyer that might get enough doubt to dismiss the entry level charges. Then you might make it expensive by throwing every possible charge at them, which takes a lot longer to try in court.

Or in other words, a conviction is a conviction, and it doesn't make sense to go big when you can stack a lot of provable charges together and get roughly the same sentence.


18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Are you seriously asserting that trespassing and the other misdemeanors that the insurrectionists are currently charged with will result in cumulative prison sentences of up to 10 years?!
 
2021-02-27 2:17:59 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: So they went into the Capitol, peed in there and wiped dookie on the walls? Typical white trash behavior. These people are filthy, subhuman garbage. I still don't know why they weren't executed on the spot.


I want these weenie-wavers publickly embarrassed for their juvenile antics. Old men giggling about peeing in public buildings. Make their families ashamed of them. This is what they equate with revolution? Our Founding Father's must be beaming with pride. Buncha ill-educated morons who spent their time texting & taking selfies. I'm glad they didn't progress much beyond that but dam they dum. I saw them wandering slack-jawed as they looked around the building; I doubt most if them had been in anything nicer than a Motel 6.
 
2021-02-27 8:19:06 AM  

fearmongert: I'm not a scientist or doctor- I might've thought the urea and ammonia content within urine might have made DNA sampling difficult-

Guess its a GOOD thing I'm not a scientist or doctor...


Not sure, but the presents of urine and the confession might make it a moot point.
 
2021-02-27 8:22:57 AM  

Shaggy_C: KarmicDisaster: Jeesus, It is like some kind of club for mentally ill people.

All the time we hear about how from Farkers who would "piss on Trump's grave". Same principle at play here.


False equivalency is false. Talking about it and actually doing it are not the same. Also pissing on a grave and breaking into your house to piss on your carpet are not the same.
 
2021-02-27 9:06:43 AM  

Spermbot: Gyrfalcon: Lost_in_Korea: Can some law-talking' guy riddle me this, Batman?  Why is it that not a single one of these cockbites is being charged with sedition?  Most are just charged with misdemeanors like trespassing.  It's pissing me off!

Its hard to prove. You need to be able to show clear intent coupled with present ability, and that's just not evident here.

Plenty of that in the statements of the POTUS, the mob organizers, and the very public statements both before and after the insurrection.  The fact of the insurrection shows ability.


Really? Did anyone ACTUALLY commit insurrection or sedition? Think carefully.

Insurrection: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government
;also
: the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt

Sedition:  18 U.S.C. § 2384. it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States:
To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them;
To oppose by force the authority of the United States government; to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States; or
To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

Now, as we discuss it around here, sure, that's pretty apparent, yes, they did in fact commit sedition. But when you get into court, the elements of "conspiracy" and "malice" start getting kicked around, and they are not as clear-cut as you might like. As FindLaw points out, "In order to get a conviction for seditious conspiracy, the government must prove that the defendant in fact conspired to use force."

USE of force is not sufficient; nor is the fact that force was used. The defendants must have:
1. Agreed
2. Unlawfully
3. Use force
4. To overthrow or destroy
5. The government of the United States.

And arguably they did not do that. There's little sign of agreement beforehand, an absolutely essential element of conspiracy--all parties must have agreed to the unlawful act and participated in it. And arguably they were not attempting to overthrow or destroy the government of the US, just one office. After all, argued the devil's advocate, all they "wanted" was to replace Biden with Trump, not to eliminate the whole government.

Slippery distinctions, but that's where prosecutions are lost. Safer to charge them with what we KNOW they committed, and leave the sedition for better proof.
 
2021-02-27 2:24:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Spermbot: Gyrfalcon: Lost_in_Korea: Can some law-talking' guy riddle me this, Batman?  Why is it that not a single one of these cockbites is being charged with sedition?  Most are just charged with misdemeanors like trespassing.  It's pissing me off!

Its hard to prove. You need to be able to show clear intent coupled with present ability, and that's just not evident here.

Plenty of that in the statements of the POTUS, the mob organizers, and the very public statements both before and after the insurrection.  The fact of the insurrection shows ability.

Really? Did anyone ACTUALLY commit insurrection or sedition? Think carefully.

Insurrection: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government
;also
: the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt

Sedition:  18 U.S.C. § 2384. it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States:
To conspire to overthrow or destroy by force the government of the United States or to level war against them;
To oppose by force the authority of the United States government; to prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States; or
To take, seize, or possess by force any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

Now, as we discuss it around here, sure, that's pretty apparent, yes, they did in fact commit sedition. But when you get into court, the elements of "conspiracy" and "malice" start getting kicked around, and they are not as clear-cut as you might like. As FindLaw points out, "In order to get a conviction for seditious conspiracy, the government must prove that the defendant in fact conspired to use force."

USE of force is not sufficient; nor is the fact that force was used. The defendants must have:
1. Agreed
2. Unlawfully
3. Use force
4. To overthrow or destroy
5. The government of the United States.

And arguably they did not do that. There's little sign of agreement b ...


The entire purpose of the gathering outside the Capitol building was to breach the peace, making the entire assembly unlawful, per se.  There are plenty of public statements to that effect, satisfying the first three of your criteria.

That the insurrectionists wanted to replace Biden with Trump is prima facie evidence of the remaining two points: "..prevent, hinder, or delay by force the execution of any law of the United States."  Interfering with the certification of EC votes meets that criterion.
 
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