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2021-02-26 1:11:36 PM  
Love how the entertainment press will push the JJ association as a positive when it is really a negative. Now I'm way less likely to ever give it a chance.
Because F*CK JJ, that's why.
 
2021-02-26 1:21:16 PM  
Will he be faster than a speeding lens flare?
 
2021-02-26 1:28:23 PM  
This is a farking outrage.

JJ Abrams?!
 
2021-02-26 1:34:19 PM  
It's only produced by Abrams, so it will be fine.

Fringe?  Produced by JJ Abrams

As is Westworld, Lovecraft Country, The Wrong Mans, Castle Rock, Person of Interest, 11.22.63, etc.

Writers and Directors fark things up much more than Producers (see some of the things Abrams has directed, for example.)
 
2021-02-26 1:59:35 PM  
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2021-02-26 2:01:51 PM  
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So a reboot of the original
 
2021-02-26 2:02:23 PM  
That story already exists. It's called Blue Marvel and it's better than anything JJ could pull off.

Shame on Marvel for not making that movie already. After Black Panther a Blue Marvel movie would've been a perfect followup.
 
2021-02-26 2:09:27 PM  

Esroc: That story already exists. It's called Blue Marvel and it's better than anything JJ could pull off.

Shame on Marvel for not making that movie already. After Black Panther a Blue Marvel movie would've been a perfect followup.


100% THIS.  Love Blue Marvel.
 
2021-02-26 2:24:05 PM  
There's only one true Black Superman.

Muhammad Ali Black Superman Song
Youtube KW5qF9fheXw
 
2021-02-26 2:30:07 PM  
JJ can be good in the producer's chair as long as he stays on the money/logistics side of things.
 
2021-02-26 2:41:21 PM  
Superman Theme
Youtube e9vrfEoc8_g
 
2021-02-26 2:47:20 PM  
A black Superman?! What's next, Aquaman marrying a woman without gills?

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2021-02-26 3:01:05 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: There's only one true Black Superman.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/KW5qF9fh​eXw]


Then explain this!

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2021-02-26 3:04:01 PM  
Posting before some moron joyless asshole decries "wokeness" and immediate failure of the project because of same.
 
2021-02-26 3:11:53 PM  

Aezetyr: Posting before some moron joyless asshole decries "wokeness" and immediate failure of the project because of same.


Say what you will, but Marvel never really recovered from Black Heimdall. They finally had to kill him off after the next 16 movies only made $100 billion.
 
2021-02-26 3:14:38 PM  

Jack Sabbath: AAAAGGGGHHHH: There's only one true Black Superman.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/KW5qF9fh​eXw]

Then explain this!

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That Ali character in the crazy suit and cape must be Superman from a Bizarro timeline.
 
2021-02-26 3:22:27 PM  
A Superman who is forced to choose whether he should help a world that hates and fears him.
So they're going to remake Man of Steel, more or less.
 
2021-02-26 3:29:03 PM  

Aezetyr: Posting before some moron joyless asshole decries "wokeness" and immediate failure of the project because of same.


There's been a black Superman in the comics for decades. So this isn't anything new. He's actually one of the more interesting alternate universe Supermen and is way more proactive than the normal version. Up to and including being elected president of his United States so he can be more hands on with the world saving beyond just throwing punches at bad guys.

Not that that will stop racists from crying about it. But the precedent is already there.
 
2021-02-26 3:36:10 PM  

Esroc: Aezetyr: Posting before some moron joyless asshole decries "wokeness" and immediate failure of the project because of same.

There's been a black Superman in the comics for decades. So this isn't anything new. He's actually one of the more interesting alternate universe Supermen and is way more proactive than the normal version. Up to and including being elected president of his United States so he can be more hands on with the world saving beyond just throwing punches at bad guys.

Not that that will stop racists from crying about it. But the precedent is already there.


Assuming it's the version you mentioned and not Sunshine Superman or the villianous one.  I always kind of liked Sunshine actually...
 
2021-02-26 3:38:38 PM  
Hollywood, as a money-making machine, strikes again.  Do the numbers, announce a Black Superman movie, know full well X% of people disapprove/hate it, make the movie, let media fight it out, still make a profit.  This is where the business side gets so tiring to read about.  I don't want a Black Superman, I want a new character, or not, but the manipulation going on here is frustrating.  Movies used to be a gamble to make, but now it's roulette, just swap out some parts, wait a while, then spin the wheel again.
 
2021-02-26 3:56:40 PM  
It's more believable than a pasty white guy that somehow gets more powerful from the sun rays
 
2021-02-26 4:26:30 PM  
So he'll fight for racial justice and win, but JJ Abrams will make sure the actual achievement takes 50-100 years longer just to milk it.

So basically a documentary.
 
2021-02-26 4:28:54 PM  
It remains to be seen if Coates can write this type of movie.
 
2021-02-26 4:47:49 PM  

Esroc: That story already exists. It's called Blue Marvel and it's better than anything JJ could pull off.

Shame on Marvel for not making that movie already. After Black Panther a Blue Marvel movie would've been a perfect followup.


Yep, he's an interesting character that doesn't get used often enough.
They did a good job retconning him in too.
 
2021-02-26 5:00:26 PM  
Man If I was black superman, you wouldn't know I existed. Not for a few days.

I'd just show up one day and say, hey, where did all the KKK and Nazis go?
I just got here, man. I heard you had Nazis and shiat.

An people's be all like Uh,, they just disappeared, man. We don't know.
 
2021-02-26 5:08:59 PM  

Jack Sabbath: AAAAGGGGHHHH: There's only one true Black Superman.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/KW5qF9fh​eXw]

Then explain this!

[images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com image 662x1000]


Um , the 70's were awesome?
 
2021-02-26 5:28:14 PM  
Could it be worse than Man of Steel?

Wait, don't answer that.  I don't want to know.
 
2021-02-26 5:34:45 PM  

vudukungfu: Man If I was black superman, you wouldn't know I existed. Not for a few days.

I'd just show up one day and say, hey, where did all the KKK and Nazis go?
I just got here, man. I heard you had Nazis and shiat.

An people's be all like Uh,, they just disappeared, man. We don't know.


"Hey, what's with all this ash? You guys need to sweep or vacuum or something."
 
2021-02-26 5:37:59 PM  
Okay, I don't want this taken the wrong way but it probably will be any ways so here goes,

I am very much against changing the races or genders of an establish character from any media outside of a scenario like the what If: comics marvel used to do.

If you want a black Superman  then create one anew  by  creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been.    Same goes for changing him to any other race.   I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys.    Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

I was not happy about The Ancient one from Dr. Strange getting changed both racially and gender wise. Even more so than i might have been given it was to appease China.   I Also disagreed with changing Johnny Storm race in the most recent Fantastic 4 film.

I am also not happy that in the up coming Dune remake Liet Kynes was switched to being a woman especially as it serves no other purpose than to add an extra female character.

In short if your working with an established property don't fark around it over much. some change is good but changing core characters crosses the line.
 
2021-02-26 5:44:31 PM  
You said "drugs" and looked at me?!
 
2021-02-26 5:45:41 PM  

Lodger: Hollywood, as a money-making machine, strikes again.  Do the numbers, announce a Black Superman movie, know full well X% of people disapprove/hate it, make the movie, let media fight it out, still make a profit.  This is where the business side gets so tiring to read about.  I don't want a Black Superman, I want a new character, or not, but the manipulation going on here is frustrating.  Movies used to be a gamble to make, but now it's roulette, just swap out some parts, wait a while, then spin the wheel again.


Dude, *YOU* might not want a Black superman, I'm sure you have your very *special* reasons and you have a "black friend." But the fact is nobody is manipulating shiat. What all you "anxious" manchildren can do is not go see it!
See how easy that is? DON'T GO SEE IT!
Wait for the next white one.
JFC
 
2021-02-26 6:15:02 PM  
So are they actually creating a racebent Superman, or are they making an Icon movie?

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/icon/4​0​05-47395/

Or Steel

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/steel/​4​005-2031/

Any of the above could be interesting, though I think I would like a movie about Icon most.
 
2021-02-26 6:20:08 PM  

Bslim: Lodger: Hollywood, as a money-making machine, strikes again.  Do the numbers, announce a Black Superman movie, know full well X% of people disapprove/hate it, make the movie, let media fight it out, still make a profit.  This is where the business side gets so tiring to read about.  I don't want a Black Superman, I want a new character, or not, but the manipulation going on here is frustrating.  Movies used to be a gamble to make, but now it's roulette, just swap out some parts, wait a while, then spin the wheel again.

Dude, *YOU* might not want a Black superman, I'm sure you have your very *special* reasons and you have a "black friend." But the fact is nobody is manipulating shiat. What all you "anxious" manchildren can do is not go see it!
See how easy that is? DON'T GO SEE IT!
Wait for the next white one.
JFC


Why would you want a Black Superman?  What story can a Black Superman tell you that couldn't be better told with a new character?  If you need changes made to Superman to like him, then you already want a different character in the first place.

Are you saying, "I couldn't care less about Superman, but if you change his skin color, and his costume, and his origin, and his attitude, then I would watch."?  What sense does that make?

Why a Black version of anyone?  Do you want a Black Captain Picard or Black Han Solo?  Isn't it better to get Captain Sisko and Lando Calrissian?  We haven't run out of room for new characters.
 
2021-02-26 6:33:57 PM  
Why not just do Icon?
 
2021-02-26 6:35:04 PM  
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"Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?"
 
2021-02-26 6:55:54 PM  
I don't need to see a movie - so if this turns out to be terrible I'll just save my time and money.

That said, this sounds terrible.

Ta-Nehisi Coates seems like a separatist who writes of black people and white people in terms of "us" and "them" and although he has some comic writing experience, I get the impression he's being hired for his name rather than any talent. As for JJ Abrams...

Here's a simple question: If you didn't like the last few Superman movies, was the problem with any of them his skin colour? No? Then why would you expect this to be any better?

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and they'll make something great out of this. If not, I suppose they'll at least make their money back with Coca Cola sponsorship.
 
2021-02-26 6:58:11 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: Why not just do Icon?


The point is not what you give it's what you take.
 
2021-02-26 6:59:08 PM  

JolobinSmokin: It remains to be seen if Coates can write this type of movie.


He's not new. There are many examples of the level of Coates's writing skill already available.
 
2021-02-26 6:59:58 PM  

grimlock1972: Okay, I don't want this taken the wrong way but it probably will be any ways so here goes,

I am very much against changing the races or genders of an establish character from any media outside of a scenario like the what If: comics marvel used to do.

If you want a black Superman  then create one anew  by  creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been.    Same goes for changing him to any other race.   I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys.    Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

I was not happy about The Ancient one from Dr. Strange getting changed both racially and gender wise. Even more so than i might have been given it was to appease China.   I Also disagreed with changing Johnny Storm race in the most recent Fantastic 4 film.

I am also not happy that in the up coming Dune remake Liet Kynes was switched to being a woman especially as it serves no other purpose than to add an extra female character.

In short if your working with an established property don't fark around it over much. some change is good but changing core characters crosses the line.


In today's culture you just posted your racist's manifesto.
 
2021-02-26 7:55:47 PM  

Trik: grimlock1972: Okay, I don't want this taken the wrong way but it probably will be any ways so here goes,

I am very much against changing the races or genders of an establish character from any media outside of a scenario like the what If: comics marvel used to do.

If you want a black Superman  then create one anew  by  creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been.    Same goes for changing him to any other race.   I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys.    Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

I was not happy about The Ancient one from Dr. Strange getting changed both racially and gender wise. Even more so than i might have been given it was to appease China.   I Also disagreed with changing Johnny Storm race in the most recent Fantastic 4 film.

I am also not happy that in the up coming Dune remake Liet Kynes was switched to being a woman especially as it serves no other purpose than to add an extra female character.

In short if your working with an established property don't fark around it over much. some change is good but changing core characters crosses the line.

In today's culture you just posted your racist's manifesto.


hence the preface of mine accepting people gonna flip shiat no matter what.
 
2021-02-26 8:45:35 PM  
As long as whoever's cast is better than Henry Cavill. Dude had the body but he never felt like Superman to me, not even in Justice League when he was less...Snydery.
 
2021-02-26 8:54:05 PM  

Sweet Chin Music: As long as whoever's cast is better than Henry Cavill. Dude had the body but he never felt like Superman to me, not even in Justice League when he was less...Snydery.


I blame the writing for that more than I blame Cavill.  DC/Warner Bros. just didn't write him correctly.  Just like Brandon Roth, Cavill did the best he could with what he was given.
 
2021-02-26 10:22:56 PM  

grimlock1972: If you want a black Superman then create one anew by creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been. Same goes for changing him to any other race. I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys. Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.


It's basically Hollywood going "we really want a <blank> character to appear all progressive and stuff, but that's hard and we don't think anybody would care about a new <blank> character anyway, so we're going to piggyback off of the success of another property".

The weird thing is people cheering this instead of treating it as the insulting pandering it is.
 
2021-02-26 10:24:46 PM  

trialpha: grimlock1972: If you want a black Superman then create one anew by creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been. Same goes for changing him to any other race. I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys. Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

It's basically Hollywood going "we really want a <blank> character to appear all progressive and stuff, but that's hard and we don't think anybody would care about a new <blank> character anyway, so we're going to piggyback off of the success of another property".

The weird thing is people cheering this instead of treating it as the insulting pandering it is.


Holy shiat man, do you not realize what site you're on???

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2021-02-26 10:46:56 PM  
I really liked Latino Superman.
Justice League: Gods & Monsters | Digital Trailer | Warner Bros. Entertainment
Youtube yxL1Iw73azg
 
2021-02-26 11:33:13 PM  

grimlock1972: Trik: grimlock1972: Okay, I don't want this taken the wrong way but it probably will be any ways so here goes,

I am very much against changing the races or genders of an establish character from any media outside of a scenario like the what If: comics marvel used to do.

If you want a black Superman  then create one anew  by  creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been.    Same goes for changing him to any other race.   I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys.    Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

I was not happy about The Ancient one from Dr. Strange getting changed both racially and gender wise. Even more so than i might have been given it was to appease China.   I Also disagreed with changing Johnny Storm race in the most recent Fantastic 4 film.

I am also not happy that in the up coming Dune remake Liet Kynes was switched to being a woman especially as it serves no other purpose than to add an extra female character.

In short if your working with an established property don't fark around it over much. some change is good but changing core characters crosses the line.

In today's culture you just posted your racist's manifesto.

hence the preface of mine accepting people gonna flip shiat no matter what.


I bet people wouldn't flip shiat if you didn't get so butthurt about people of color intruding on your God-given whiteness.

Comic book and movie characters get changed all the farking time. Hell, Superman has been rebooted basically every five years since the 50s, and the Superman you see today is almost completely different from the Golden Age Superman, at least in all the details that make characters worth reading about.

But you don't have a problem with characters being completely changed. You have a problem with characters not being white men anymore. Which is why people give you shiat. It's not you having an opinion, it's you having a racist opinion.
 
2021-02-26 11:46:40 PM  

Lusiphur: grimlock1972: Trik: grimlock1972: Okay, I don't want this taken the wrong way but it probably will be any ways so here goes,

I am very much against changing the races or genders of an establish character from any media outside of a scenario like the what If: comics marvel used to do.

If you want a black Superman  then create one anew  by  creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been.    Same goes for changing him to any other race.   I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys.    Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

I was not happy about The Ancient one from Dr. Strange getting changed both racially and gender wise. Even more so than i might have been given it was to appease China.   I Also disagreed with changing Johnny Storm race in the most recent Fantastic 4 film.

I am also not happy that in the up coming Dune remake Liet Kynes was switched to being a woman especially as it serves no other purpose than to add an extra female character.

In short if your working with an established property don't fark around it over much. some change is good but changing core characters crosses the line.

In today's culture you just posted your racist's manifesto.

hence the preface of mine accepting people gonna flip shiat no matter what.

I bet people wouldn't flip shiat if you didn't get so butthurt about people of color intruding on your God-given whiteness.

Comic book and movie characters get changed all the farking time. Hell, Superman has been rebooted basically every five years since the 50s, and the Superman you see today is almost completely different from the Golden Age Superman, at least in all the details that make characters worth reading about.

But you don't have a problem with characters being completely changed. You have a problem with characters not being white men anymore. Which is why people give you shiat. It's not you having an opini ...


I do not feel it is racist for someone to want  a character to keep all it's core attributes.   people have a fit when a non white character gets white washed so a white actor can play the role.  it is just as fair to be upset when a character who has always been portrayed as white is swapped to a different race.   if you have to do it do like Spiderman has, that is how you handle it correctly.
 
2021-02-26 11:51:09 PM  

Lusiphur: grimlock1972: Trik: grimlock1972: Okay, I don't want this taken the wrong way but it probably will be any ways so here goes,

I am very much against changing the races or genders of an establish character from any media outside of a scenario like the what If: comics marvel used to do.

If you want a black Superman  then create one anew  by  creating another Kyrptonian survivor. Let Ka-El be what he has always been.    Same goes for changing him to any other race.   I would feel exactly the same if they tried to make Black Panther, Luke Cage or Falcon white guys.    Besides we technically already had a Black Superman , his name is Steel.

I was not happy about The Ancient one from Dr. Strange getting changed both racially and gender wise. Even more so than i might have been given it was to appease China.   I Also disagreed with changing Johnny Storm race in the most recent Fantastic 4 film.

I am also not happy that in the up coming Dune remake Liet Kynes was switched to being a woman especially as it serves no other purpose than to add an extra female character.

In short if your working with an established property don't fark around it over much. some change is good but changing core characters crosses the line.

In today's culture you just posted your racist's manifesto.

hence the preface of mine accepting people gonna flip shiat no matter what.

I bet people wouldn't flip shiat if you didn't get so butthurt about people of color intruding on your God-given whiteness.

Comic book and movie characters get changed all the farking time. Hell, Superman has been rebooted basically every five years since the 50s, and the Superman you see today is almost completely different from the Golden Age Superman, at least in all the details that make characters worth reading about.

But you don't have a problem with characters being completely changed. You have a problem with characters not being white men anymore. Which is why people give you shiat. It's not you having an opini ...


That's a lot of words for saying you don't have the skill, perseverance or confidence to create a character, develop a fan base and build it into a valuable property.
Just admit you're stealing.
 
2021-02-26 11:52:28 PM  

Bslim: Love how the entertainment press will push the JJ association as a positive when it is really a negative. Now I'm way less likely to ever give it a chance.
Because F*CK JJ, that's why.


It's gonna be JJ Abrams lecturing us by proxy on wokeness.

This movie's red flags for shiattiness are so large and numerous that he's just killed all of my crops for the year by permanently blocking out the farking sun.

// I would actually enjoy seeing a movie just cast a black actor as regular-Superman and just make literally no comment on it in- or out-of-universe whatsoever about the choice, or at least didn't pretend it's in any way unusual.  The character is adopted, knows he was adopted, and is known to be adopted by basically everyone in the place where he grew up, none of whom ever make a thing of it because they're goodhearted people with strong American values that inform who Superman is.  Having him be visibly in some historically farked-over racial minority by Earth standards might help a lot of people grasp the basic subtext of the character that people like Zach Snyder appear to somehow be able to completely miss.  Not sure how they could miss it since anyone genuinely that stupid would have died by forgetting to breathe long before learning to read, but still.
 
2021-02-27 12:01:11 AM  

grimlock1972: I do not feel it is racist for someone to want  a character to keep all it's core attributes.


Core attributes like being a refugee from outside of America who was adopted by some white folk in the midwest, but had a childhood marked by trouble created by the sometimes rather obvious physical differences between himself and the other children, and subsequently struggling to reconcile a genetic history and supposed cultural heritage he'd never actually experienced, but which still appears regularly to mostly be a huge burden on his life due to most of the other people in the setting identifying him as a member of his race even though he literally never knew another member of that race until adulthood and was raised entirely as a normal american like any other?

... also, Superman canonically literally isn't white racially.  To the extent that he's mapped to an ethnicity at all, unsurprisingly given the authorship it's actually Jewish.  You gonna biatch about how he's always played by germanic-stock actors instead of semitic ones?
 
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