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2021-02-26 7:19:43 AM  
Maybe we should retrace our steps, then.
 
2021-02-26 7:21:10 AM  
What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?
 
2021-02-26 7:23:14 AM  
Fabric_Man:

This so much
 
2021-02-26 7:25:02 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


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2021-02-26 7:26:26 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


For some yes it might be PTSD. But when you are basically working 16 hour days 7 days a week, fatigue will do so much more damage over the long term than even the worst PTSD could do to someone.
 
2021-02-26 7:27:50 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


There comes a point sometimes where you can fight anymore. The fire isn't there, you rub your hand over your hair, you sigh. You exhibit emotions that don't match the situation, laughing, crying, or nothing. You do things that are dangerous but don't help anything, as much if something inside of you is trying to get yourself removed or dead.
 
2021-02-26 7:28:18 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


It's worse. PTSD implies the traumatic event stopped. It hasn't. They get up, go to work, fight for ten to fourteen hours to keep people alive while they themselves are trying not to get COVID. Then go home and get maybe six hours of sleep.

Their bodies are drained and worn out and they're going to start dropping dead. Sometimes literally.
 
2021-02-26 7:30:24 AM  
Are they willing to strike and let people suffer or die in order to bring attention to and improve their situation?

No.  And the people who could improve their situation know this.
 
2021-02-26 7:37:53 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


The term you're looking for is "shell shocked".

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2021-02-26 7:40:27 AM  
Now is the time to aggressively bargain for better wages and working conditions. As far as I'm concerned, the nurses ought to earn more than the doctors, frontline-wise
 
2021-02-26 7:41:10 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


PTSD is your mind trying to react to a traumatic event that happened to you. Your mind is usually very good at protecting you from the shock of traumatic events but sometimes is overwhelmed and that is PTSD.

Battle fatigue is what happens to a person's mind and body when they are physically pushed beyond the limits for too long. Your soul and body are physically and completely drained, sometimes permanently from the situation you had to be in over an extended. Of time be they weeks, months or years.
 
2021-02-26 7:42:57 AM  

born_yesterday: Are they willing to strike and let people suffer or die in order to bring attention to and improve their situation?

No.  And the people who could improve their situation know this.


Name checks out.

The criminal trials would be epic.
 
2021-02-26 7:50:57 AM  
Personal observation here
Since this started I have seen the floor nurse turnover unlike any I've seen
At first they were taking assignments elsewhere Now they are just burning out
Talking to senior nurses they are constantly looking for nurses and auxiliary staff
 
2021-02-26 7:59:24 AM  
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2021-02-26 7:59:41 AM  
Got my 2nd Covid 19 shot up at the VA Hospital in Wall Walla, Wa yesterday. The nurses and staff all seemed energized and extremely caring. They had the whole bunce of us grumpy old vets smiling and at ease. They even had an old Lucile Ball rerun on the TV for us. Many laughed and had found memories of bygone days. Some of us saluted them as we left.
 
2021-02-26 8:00:31 AM  

Point02GPA: Got my 2nd Covid 19 shot up at the VA Hospital in Wall Walla, Wa yesterday. The nurses and staff all seemed energized and extremely caring. They had the whole bunce of us grumpy old vets smiling and at ease. They even had an old Lucile Ball rerun on the TV for us. Many laughed and had found memories of bygone days. Some of us saluted them as we left.


The outpatient nurses are not the ones being crushed.
 
2021-02-26 8:02:30 AM  
I was in the final semester of nursing school when the AIDS virus blew up. I swapped majors to Computer Science immediately. Yeah I suck but not risking a needle stick and ending up with HIV. I can cure a computer virus, I can't cure AIDS.
 
2021-02-26 8:02:55 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


Same thing
 
2021-02-26 8:04:49 AM  
During the "Crack" 1980s, feds made car-jacking a felony in the blink of an eye-- ripping Citizen Jane or Joe from their sacred automobile was an affront to all of civilization.

But a US federal management of complying with quarantine advisories (fines) and the distribution of a vaccine (logistics) was not possible. All those fines might have funded health care workers in a number of comprehensive ways that I would trust health care workers to propose.

But that wasn't possible. Even now, after a change in leadership, not possible.

For nurses to have endured the brunt of a viral event-- that's one thing. To stomp around and shout what one "believes" about empirically driven diagnosis and treatments is another.

The "theory" of Creation. Evolution. Not to devalue the imperative of what we "teach" children, but they are abstractions (models) about the beginning of life.

It is bizarre and criminal that a "belief" will further injure the very people keeping us alive.
 
2021-02-26 8:09:18 AM  

ltdanman44: Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?

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Anybody can get PTSD and there's a lot of misinformation about "shell shock." Idiots have literally told me that "the shells shook their brains and made them wimp out." This was actually a popular medical theory following WWI.
 
2021-02-26 8:10:52 AM  

ltdanman44: Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?

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I do miss George. The man spoke so much truth. His routines should be preserved forever because thousands of years from now he will be right there with Plato and Aristotle.
 
2021-02-26 8:11:26 AM  
That's not even going into the deniers that they have to deal with
 
2021-02-26 8:12:20 AM  

lifeslammer: Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?

For some yes it might be PTSD. But when you are basically working 16 hour days 7 days a week, fatigue will do so much more damage over the long term than even the worst PTSD could do to someone.


You know how I know you have never had to deal with PTSD? This right here.
 
2021-02-26 8:12:55 AM  
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/If they're going to work to the limit in a hazardous situation, at least compensate them for it!!
 
2021-02-26 8:15:36 AM  
BafflerMeal

So, only the people you like can be crushed. Interesting...
 
2021-02-26 8:17:24 AM  
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2021-02-26 8:17:42 AM  
Don't worry.

They will all be rehired in 6 months. We have no other option.

And if they are smart, they will unionize and demand better money and safety rules.
 
2021-02-26 8:19:40 AM  

BafflerMeal: Point02GPA: Got my 2nd Covid 19 shot up at the VA Hospital in Wall Walla, Wa yesterday. The nurses and staff all seemed energized and extremely caring. They had the whole bunce of us grumpy old vets smiling and at ease. They even had an old Lucile Ball rerun on the TV for us. Many laughed and had found memories of bygone days. Some of us saluted them as we left.

The outpatient nurses are not the ones being crushed.


Been trying to get a immunization but Jebus it's like gold. 53 yr old diabetic caring for a disabled wife, a mother with Parkinson's, and a father who is a double amputee who recently had a major stroke. If I catch this crap not sure who isnt gonna make it and who is but i'm damned sure not all of us will. Nope no shot because im 53
 
2021-02-26 8:19:53 AM  

Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?


Call it what you want but remember the Post in PTSD is for being AFTER the events.  Nurses, Doctors, hospital Janitorial, Clinic Staff and every other health care provider is still in the middle of this and I can imagine their frustration at working insane hours, not seeing loved ones and taking care of everyone but themselves then watching anti mask rallies, political rallies, their senior hospital board members farking off for a bit of sun and fun while telling their staff and public to just stay home.

I'm honestly surprised health care has lasted as well as it has before burning out.  Add to their burden is that all the stupid crap that people do hasn't tailed off at all either.  Drunk driving, overdosing, assaults, "Hey Y'All watch this..", Instagram influencer stupid crap...

I'd have thrown in the towel and moved to the mountains a long time ago if I were in their scrubs.

\Big thanks for those who are still working hard!
 
2021-02-26 8:23:46 AM  

moothemagiccow: ltdanman44: Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?

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Anybody can get PTSD and there's a lot of misinformation about "shell shock." Idiots have literally told me that "the shells shook their brains and made them wimp out." This was actually a popular medical theory following WWI.


Huh.
I haven't been with the fire department in 20 years, but about every 6-12 months something still pops up that requires command level intervention.

And you can't walk away.
And you do that thing.

And later that night, about 3am...
You jump straight up, and start looking for your bunkers and radio.

And then you laugh. And lay down again.
And cry one more time.

And go back to sleep.
 
2021-02-26 8:36:32 AM  
I'm not going to bother reading the article.

Nurses will not be offered higher pay or a shorter work. No worries though. This is America and someone will contrive and implement a plan to bring nurses in from the Philippines, India, or Rwanda who will be happy  to work 16 hour days at or below what nurses in the USA currently earn. Later, the immigrants, rather than an intentionally exploitative system, will be blamed.

It's all as American as apple pie.
 
2021-02-26 8:44:24 AM  
My mom retired about 10 years ago after 30 years as an RN (working a hospital floor). They about killed her back then, I cannot even imagine what these poor people are going through.
 
2021-02-26 8:58:54 AM  

lifeslammer: Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?

For some yes it might be PTSD. But when you are basically working 16 hour days 7 days a week, fatigue will do so much more damage over the long term than even the worst PTSD could do to someone.


Your unsupported opinion is wrong, dangerous and should not be shared.
 
2021-02-26 9:04:32 AM  
As a RN on sabbatical, nurses are under payed, overworked, shut down by management, no supplies, glacial replacement of staff all to flush up managers and their bottom dollar.Managers are eligible for bonuses at many goal points (Banner Health system) We begged for staff and it never happened.This has been a problem for a decade. I worked construction in my 20's and ICU was harder than that and more shiat. Last review I did stellar and received a 26 cent raise. Sure could have picked up front line work as a traveler during pandemic but would have risked bringing back to family or remain in isolation. Then when you apply for a staff job they consider you a mercenary for working for actual reimbursement as traveler. BS
 
2021-02-26 9:07:26 AM  

Netrngr: BafflerMeal: Point02GPA: Got my 2nd Covid 19 shot up at the VA Hospital in Wall Walla, Wa yesterday. The nurses and staff all seemed energized and extremely caring. They had the whole bunce of us grumpy old vets smiling and at ease. They even had an old Lucile Ball rerun on the TV for us. Many laughed and had found memories of bygone days. Some of us saluted them as we left.

The outpatient nurses are not the ones being crushed.

Been trying to get a immunization but Jebus it's like gold. 53 yr old diabetic caring for a disabled wife, a mother with Parkinson's, and a father who is a double amputee who recently had a major stroke. If I catch this crap not sure who isnt gonna make it and who is but i'm damned sure not all of us will. Nope no shot because im 53


Get the other three immunized. Then, keep wearing your mask and behaving cautiously. Shots will eventually be available for your cohort.
 
2021-02-26 9:12:44 AM  
I'm an ER trauma 1 nurse. I have worked nonstop since April 1st of 2020. My last day is March 28th and I....am....done. It is not covid that is pushing me out. Its the demanding patients who still want their ass kissed when they come in at 4 am for their back pain x 10 years who refuse to be put in a room thats had a covid pt. "You guys dont see covid patients down here do you?" Are you kidding? The only thing worse than those patients are the management who not only want you to deal with 10x the work, but still adhere to every stupid rule we had pre-covid. At first we were written up for wearing masks cause were "scaring the patients". Now were written up for pulling our masks down to take a drink. Two weeks ago im in a trauma room doing compressions on a covid + pt with no ppe, because were out, when our department manager walks in. I couldve used an extra hand charting, couldve used a tag out on compressions, couldve used an extra hand drawing up some epinephrine. Know what I got? A write up for not updating my white board (the dry erase board in the pts room where you write your name so they know who to yell for when they want a 9th blanket or to know what channel CNN is, you know, the important life saving stuff). I knew right then and there that Im done. There is no nursing shortage, theres an administration that gives a shiat shortage.

Average career of an emergency room nurse is 2 and a half years.
 
2021-02-26 9:13:40 AM  

moothemagiccow: ltdanman44: Fabric_Man: What the fark is "battle fatigue?" Don't you mean post-traumatic stress disorder?

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Anybody can get PTSD and there's a lot of misinformation about "shell shock." Idiots have literally told me that "the shells shook their brains and made them wimp out." This was actually a popular medical theory following WWI.


If you've ever been next to one of the big guns when they fired a shell you would understand why they thought that.

R.Lee Emery himself was stunned when he was too close to a shell when it fired back on his discovery show. It wasn't acting he just couldn't move or think.
 
2021-02-26 9:14:12 AM  

Netrngr: BafflerMeal: Point02GPA: Got my 2nd Covid 19 shot up at the VA Hospital in Wall Walla, Wa yesterday. The nurses and staff all seemed energized and extremely caring. They had the whole bunce of us grumpy old vets smiling and at ease. They even had an old Lucile Ball rerun on the TV for us. Many laughed and had found memories of bygone days. Some of us saluted them as we left.

The outpatient nurses are not the ones being crushed.

Been trying to get a immunization but Jebus it's like gold. 53 yr old diabetic caring for a disabled wife, a mother with Parkinson's, and a father who is a double amputee who recently had a major stroke. If I catch this crap not sure who isnt gonna make it and who is but i'm damned sure not all of us will. Nope no shot because im 53


Depending on the state you are located, the program may offer immunization to the caregiver bringing a qualified candidate to the appointment. Call them and check.
 
2021-02-26 9:15:14 AM  
It's been hard. And these asshole HCA CEOs give themselves a raise and tell us no to a raise. Then throw a pizza party. And give us a commemorative shirt.

My back hurts. My feet hurt. I am tired. And I don't have any money to show for it. And we can't unionize.
 
2021-02-26 9:16:35 AM  

Spicy_McHaggus: I'm an ER trauma 1 nurse. I have worked nonstop since April 1st of 2020. My last day is March 28th and I....am....done. It is not covid that is pushing me out. Its the demanding patients who still want their ass kissed when they come in at 4 am for their back pain x 10 years who refuse to be put in a room thats had a covid pt. "You guys dont see covid patients down here do you?" Are you kidding? The only thing worse than those patients are the management who not only want you to deal with 10x the work, but still adhere to every stupid rule we had pre-covid. At first we were written up for wearing masks cause were "scaring the patients". Now were written up for pulling our masks down to take a drink. Two weeks ago im in a trauma room doing compressions on a covid + pt with no ppe, because were out, when our department manager walks in. I couldve used an extra hand charting, couldve used a tag out on compressions, couldve used an extra hand drawing up some epinephrine. Know what I got? A write up for not updating my white board (the dry erase board in the pts room where you write your name so they know who to yell for when they want a 9th blanket or to know what channel CNN is, you know, the important life saving stuff). I knew right then and there that Im done. There is no nursing shortage, theres an administration that gives a shiat shortage.

Average career of an emergency room nurse is 2 and a half years.


Thank you for your service.
 
2021-02-26 9:16:38 AM  
And just for perspective, nurses at my level 1 trauma center start at $17 an hour. Between my 7 years of medic and nursing experience, my bachelor's degree, my master's degree, my CEN certification, and night shift differential, I was making $27 an hour.

That being said, gotta find me a second career. Well really third, I was a police officer before a nurse. Thinking about going into mortgages. Any career change recommendations?
 
2021-02-26 9:18:12 AM  
But CEOs are making bank so we must stay the course. After all, they would be called Human Resources if they weren't meant to be exploited.
 
2021-02-26 9:20:17 AM  

cheap_thoughts: It's been hard. And these asshole HCA CEOs give themselves a raise and tell us no to a raise. Then throw a pizza party. And give us a commemorative shirt.

My back hurts. My feet hurt. I am tired. And I don't have any money to show for it. And we can't unionize.


Ive heard nothing but bad things about HCA. I always refused to work for them.
 
2021-02-26 9:20:43 AM  

cheap_thoughts: It's been hard. And these asshole HCA CEOs give themselves a raise and tell us no to a raise. Then throw a pizza party. And give us a commemorative shirt.

My back hurts. My feet hurt. I am tired. And I don't have any money to show for it. And we can't unionize.


What state if you don't mind me asking?

This is sort of my thing.
 
2021-02-26 9:22:07 AM  

Spicy_McHaggus: And just for perspective, nurses at my level 1 trauma center start at $17 an hour. Between my 7 years of medic and nursing experience, my bachelor's degree, my master's degree, my CEN certification, and night shift differential, I was making $27 an hour.

That being said, gotta find me a second career. Well really third, I was a police officer before a nurse. Thinking about going into mortgages. Any career change recommendations?


fark that $17??? I made more as a CNA!!!! Wtf.

My mom left nursing to become a cop. You can go teach CNA/CMA at the trade school or nursing classes at the community college level. Sometimes these fresh out of high school students severely lack the soft skills to critically think.
 
2021-02-26 9:22:56 AM  

snocone: Spicy_McHaggus: I'm an ER trauma 1 nurse. I have worked nonstop since April 1st of 2020. My last day is March 28th and I....am....done. It is not covid that is pushing me out. Its the demanding patients who still want their ass kissed when they come in at 4 am for their back pain x 10 years who refuse to be put in a room thats had a covid pt. "You guys dont see covid patients down here do you?" Are you kidding? The only thing worse than those patients are the management who not only want you to deal with 10x the work, but still adhere to every stupid rule we had pre-covid. At first we were written up for wearing masks cause were "scaring the patients". Now were written up for pulling our masks down to take a drink. Two weeks ago im in a trauma room doing compressions on a covid + pt with no ppe, because were out, when our department manager walks in. I couldve used an extra hand charting, couldve used a tag out on compressions, couldve used an extra hand drawing up some epinephrine. Know what I got? A write up for not updating my white board (the dry erase board in the pts room where you write your name so they know who to yell for when they want a 9th blanket or to know what channel CNN is, you know, the important life saving stuff). I knew right then and there that Im done. There is no nursing shortage, theres an administration that gives a shiat shortage.

Average career of an emergency room nurse is 2 and a half years.

Thank you for your service.


PA, you're right there with me. My travel buddy here is a combat medic as well.
 
2021-02-26 9:24:32 AM  

thehobbes: cheap_thoughts: It's been hard. And these asshole HCA CEOs give themselves a raise and tell us no to a raise. Then throw a pizza party. And give us a commemorative shirt.

My back hurts. My feet hurt. I am tired. And I don't have any money to show for it. And we can't unionize.

What state if you don't mind me asking?

This is sort of my thing.


Kansas. Right to Work state. Unions are demonized here. They'll have you watch videos in orientation that say how unions ruin your life, etc.
 
2021-02-26 9:26:40 AM  

cheap_thoughts: My mom


Problem where I am is theres only two hospital systems, and they agree to keep wages low. All the jobs like that are saturated with all the other nurses who also want out. I would have to move out of state.
 
2021-02-26 9:49:28 AM  

cheap_thoughts: thehobbes: cheap_thoughts: It's been hard. And these asshole HCA CEOs give themselves a raise and tell us no to a raise. Then throw a pizza party. And give us a commemorative shirt.

My back hurts. My feet hurt. I am tired. And I don't have any money to show for it. And we can't unionize.

What state if you don't mind me asking?

This is sort of my thing.

Kansas. Right to Work state. Unions are demonized here. They'll have you watch videos in orientation that say how unions ruin your life, etc.


I hear you. We really need RTO. AFT has been expanding their organization to include healthcare workers since education still has a safe base in red states.

I'm NEA and IAEP. 

My state has 2 metros covered by the same department. One division is unionized, the other drank the Kool-aid and decided to deunioninze around 2000.  

One division has guaranteed staffing levels, better pay, enforced work breaks, and guarantees that you get off on time. The last hour of the shift is for reports and turning in gear.

The other doesn't and can hold you over for an indefinite amount of time over your 12 hour shift. No breaks, and you get 10 minutes at the end of shift to get everything done. 

It's ridiculous the difference it makes.
 
2021-02-26 9:58:38 AM  

cheap_thoughts: It's been hard. And these asshole HCA CEOs give themselves a raise and tell us no to a raise. Then throw a pizza party. And give us a commemorative shirt.

My back hurts. My feet hurt. I am tired. And I don't have any money to show for it. And we can't unionize.


" But if you love what you do then your salary shouldn't matter"

I can't count the number of times I heard that while I was in science research from somebody who was making 6 figures
 
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