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(WTAE)   Just shy of two months into this year, TSA officers at the airport have already found six guns. Five this month at this one airport   (wtae.com) divider line
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2021-02-25 5:04:33 PM  
Hmm, last statistics I read were TSA failed to find 80% of guns attempting to go thru "security" in tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-t​e​sts-latest-undercover-operation-us-air​ports/story?id=51022188
So, they found 6 could mean umm, times the, umm, carry the math, they missed, umm, a lot of guns.
 
2021-02-25 5:09:30 PM  
How stupid do you have to be to try to bring a piece into an airport? Through security no less.
 
2021-02-25 5:18:59 PM  

Mugato: How stupid do you have to be to try to bring a piece into an airport? Through security no less.


I'm surprised it's not more.

Usually it's inadvertent. Someone who carries a gun in their purse or backpack or computer bag and forgets to "unpack" before going to the airport.

In those situations one has to ask, how stupid do you have to be to forget you're packing a gun?
 
2021-02-25 5:19:36 PM  

snocone: Hmm, last statistics I read were TSA failed to find 80% of guns attempting to go thru "security" in tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-te​sts-latest-undercover-operation-us-air​ports/story?id=51022188
So, they found 6 could mean umm, times the, umm, carry the math, they missed, umm, a lot of guns.


this bears repeating
 
2021-02-25 5:26:40 PM  

Ambivalence: In those situations one has to ask, how stupid do you have to be to forget you're packing a gun?


Pretty stupid but not as stupid as consciously bringing one thinking you can get past security.
 
2021-02-25 5:52:36 PM  
Heres a cool trick: If you ever get into a fight with your husband right before he goes out of town and want to get even just slip a pistol into his bag at the last minute.
 
2021-02-25 5:56:16 PM  
 
2021-02-25 5:58:26 PM  
People flying during a pandemic aren't the brightest or most conscientious folks so this is not in the least bit surprising.
 
2021-02-25 5:59:04 PM  
Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints
 
2021-02-25 5:59:09 PM  

dothemath: Heres a cool trick: If you ever get into a fight with your husband right before he goes out of town and want to get even just slip a pistol into his bag at the last minute.


Jokes on you, he's into cavity searches.
 
2021-02-25 6:03:36 PM  
Texas woman caught in Pittsburgh. Perhaps the Texas screeners aren't as concerned about guns on planes as the rest of the country.
 
2021-02-25 6:07:06 PM  
I took my "night on the town" jacket to catch a flight. Found a doobie in the front pocket when I got in the TSA lane from my last night on the town. I ditched the old doobie. Party foul?
 
2021-02-25 6:07:24 PM  

Private_Citizen: Texas woman caught in Pittsburgh. Perhaps the Texas screeners aren't as concerned about guns on planes as the rest of the country.


In 2020, 230 guns were found at security checkpoints at airports in North Texas. 176 at DFW, 54 at Dallas/Love Field.

TSA found 10 per million passengers in 2020 compared to 5 per million in 2019.
 
2021-02-25 6:09:49 PM  

Private_Citizen: Texas woman caught in Pittsburgh. Perhaps the Texas screeners aren't as concerned about guns on planes as the rest of the country.


Was going to say this.  I was expecting a Texas airport, not Philly, but Texas probably doesn't care as much.
 
2021-02-25 6:12:43 PM  
But I'm an American!
 
2021-02-25 6:16:01 PM  

IgG4: snocone: Hmm, last statistics I read were TSA failed to find 80% of guns attempting to go thru "security" in tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-te​sts-latest-undercover-operation-us-air​ports/story?id=51022188
So, they found 6 could mean umm, times the, umm, carry the math, they missed, umm, a lot of guns.

this bears repeating


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2021-02-25 6:16:35 PM  

snocone: Hmm, last statistics I read were TSA failed to find 80% of guns attempting to go thru "security" in tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-te​sts-latest-undercover-operation-us-air​ports/story?id=51022188
So, they found 6 could mean umm, times the, umm, carry the math, they missed, umm, a lot of guns.


Yeah, but that's down from 95%.  And I heard they've got it down to 70%.  If these trends continue...
 
2021-02-25 6:19:12 PM  

IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints


Could you work for the TSA and play with people's balls and buttholes all day without their consent? I doubt most people can. You only take a job like that and keep it out of necessity. They're there because they have to be, and I bet a lot of them wanna be at happy hour in their heads during screenings.

Well rested soldiers in active combat zones on amphetamine pills still miss entire groups of people they know are there and trying to kill them wearing full-body, color coordinated outfits.

You think an hourly 20 something wondering if they should start with a craft beer or stick with the cheap stuff tonight while trying to forget they're currently cupping a bunch of grandpas' belt onions and will be for the next six hours isn't gonna miss a bunch of stuff?
 
2021-02-25 6:21:47 PM  

IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints


It's called a prison wallet.
 
2021-02-25 6:24:25 PM  
You're right Mr. TSA, it's inexcusable:

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Here's an idea... take them out of line and get the fark out of the way.
 
2021-02-25 6:31:19 PM  

snocone: Hmm, last statistics I read were TSA failed to find 80% of guns attempting to go thru "security" in tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-te​sts-latest-undercover-operation-us-air​ports/story?id=51022188
So, they found 6 could mean umm, times the, umm, carry the math, they missed, umm, a lot of guns.


The reason those numbers look as bad as they do is because they are testing against shiat they know they have weaknesses on.

It isn't like the people testing the system walked through like Yosemite Sam. The intent with those tests is to drive knowledge of limitations into their staff, and determine if new processes are effective.

I fly (well flew) a shiatload. I did so pre TSA too. If the intent is going back to 90s air security, i can assure you it was even more comical and ineffective, and you had the added benefit of longer lines and workers paid less.

If your answer is we have NO security.....well...have fun flying.
 
2021-02-25 6:34:28 PM  

Misch: Private_Citizen: Texas woman caught in Pittsburgh. Perhaps the Texas screeners aren't as concerned about guns on planes as the rest of the country.

In 2020, 230 guns were found at security checkpoints at airports in North Texas. 176 at DFW, 54 at Dallas/Love Field.

TSA found 10 per million passengers in 2020 compared to 5 per million in 2019.


Not to shiat on the TSA, but since they weren't doing layoffs, i'd imagine that they were a bit less worked in 2020 than in 2019, and you would expect them to spot more.
 
2021-02-25 7:07:13 PM  
seems low.
i would've assumed 6 per day given the number of people even during a pandemic.
 
2021-02-25 7:17:09 PM  

Priapetic: Private_Citizen: Texas woman caught in Pittsburgh. Perhaps the Texas screeners aren't as concerned about guns on planes as the rest of the country.
Was going to say this.  I was expecting a Texas airport, not Philly, but Texas probably doesn't care as much.


1. Yes, this means she almost certainly had the gun when she left Texas, unless it's a new one she picked up in PA.
2. It's one (dumb) thing not to notice you had the gun in your bag when you packed it. It's a whole nother level of dumb thing not to notice it on your entire trip, or to forget to put it in your packed luggage on the return.
3. This isn't Philly. It's Pittsburgh, over on the Pensyltucky end of the state.  Pgh's more liberal than the countryside, not as much as Philly.
 
2021-02-25 7:17:34 PM  

Ambivalence: how stupid do you have to be to forget you're packing a gun?


If you have so many firearms that you don't have all their locations in the forefront of your mind you have too many firearms.

I thought trying to carry through an airport security checkpoint was a felony.
 
2021-02-25 7:23:43 PM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints

It's called a prison wallet.


That's humorous and all, but his chore was rather specific that it could actually be found with a proper search.

That's the scary part.

And yeah, unwillingness and complacency is the major factor to overcome.

By his accounts, less than 2% of the people doing the job WANT to be there.
 
2021-02-25 7:27:55 PM  

dothemath: Heres a cool trick: If you ever get into a fight with your husband right before he goes out of town and want to get even just slip a pistol into his bag at the last minute.


Well, let's just suggest criminal activity!
 
2021-02-25 7:29:40 PM  
So one screener in Pittsburgh is actually doing the job.
 
2021-02-25 7:32:39 PM  

IamTomJoad: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints

It's called a prison wallet.

That's humorous and all, but his chore was rather specific that it could actually be found with a proper search.

That's the scary part.

And yeah, unwillingness and complacency is the major factor to overcome.

By his accounts, less than 2% of the people doing the job WANT to be there.


They probably also understand the whole thing is pretty pointless.
 
2021-02-25 7:35:59 PM  

Mugato: How stupid do you have to be to try to bring a piece into an airport? Through security no less.


Some people are inherently stupid and think *they* will be able to get their gun through the TSA security checks because *they* think they can do whatever the hell they want to do and not pay the price their stupidity carries. In the meantime, the TSA continues to build up their collection of "soon to be destroyed" firearms.
 
2021-02-25 7:38:49 PM  

IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints


I hope his reports got some people fired.
 
2021-02-25 7:39:15 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Mugato: How stupid do you have to be to try to bring a piece into an airport? Through security no less.

Some people are inherently stupid and think *they* will be able to get their gun through the TSA security checks because *they* think they can do whatever the hell they want to do and not pay the price their stupidity carries. In the meantime, the TSA continues to build up their collection of "soon to be destroyed" firearms.


I don't know how they could get a piece through a simple metal detector.
 
2021-02-25 7:44:33 PM  

Mugato: ClavellBCMI: Mugato: How stupid do you have to be to try to bring a piece into an airport? Through security no less.

Some people are inherently stupid and think *they* will be able to get their gun through the TSA security checks because *they* think they can do whatever the hell they want to do and not pay the price their stupidity carries. In the meantime, the TSA continues to build up their collection of "soon to be destroyed" firearms.

I don't know how they could get a piece through a simple metal detector.


the old school walk through have sensitivity settings. People been smuggling taping gear in to concerts forever know ways to beat them but the ones they use at the airports now ? no idea how that would be done. hand scanners are the same way.
 
2021-02-25 7:49:01 PM  

ClavellBCMI: IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints

I hope his reports got some people fired.


Nope, not a one.

The "tests" were to improve training.

No one lost their jobs because you can't in all honest say if it was continuous malfeasance or just a one off.

Retraining is often easier (read cheaper) than hiring new personnel.
 
2021-02-25 7:55:35 PM  
kindms:

the old school walk through have sensitivity settings. People been smuggling taping gear in to concerts forever know ways to beat them but the ones they use at the airports now ? no idea how that would be done. hand scanners are the same way.

And I had to take my belt off at the tax collector's office. They seem to have a high opinion of themselves and their value as a target.
 
2021-02-25 7:59:36 PM  

robodog: People flying during a pandemic aren't the brightest or most conscientious folks so this is not in the least bit surprising.


And please remember, this is Pissburgh.

/Everything's up to date in Homer City
 
2021-02-25 8:07:39 PM  

IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints


How many times did he get shot because the TSA folks felt "Threatened?"
 
2021-02-25 8:36:31 PM  

2wolves: Ambivalence: how stupid do you have to be to forget you're packing a gun?

If you have so many firearms that you don't have all their locations in the forefront of your mind you have too many firearms.

I thought trying to carry through an airport security checkpoint was a felony.


The vast majority are charged as misdemeanors by the local cops. That's the arrangement TSA has in most jurisdictions. TSA questions the violator in the airport, determines that they aren't a threat and then calls the local cops to come get them. TSA issues a typical fine of $4100 under federal guidelines and on top of that the violator deals with the misdemeanor charge of unlawfully possessing a firearm. That can of course be enhanced if there's a criminal history but most don't have one. They're just stupid.
 
2021-02-25 8:52:53 PM  

snocone: Hmm, last statistics I read were TSA failed to find 80% of guns attempting to go thru "security" in tests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-te​sts-latest-undercover-operation-us-air​ports/story?id=51022188
So, they found 6 could mean umm, times the, umm, carry the math, they missed, umm, a lot of guns.


Let's see if I can explain that report without breaching the security agreement I signed for the job.

Finding guns is easy. Finding other threats can be much harder. I would wager that the number of tests conducted with firearms is a much higher success rate than the tests conducted with other threats.
 
2021-02-25 8:55:50 PM  

Ambivalence: In those situations one has to ask, how stupid do you have to be to forget you're packing a gun?


Flight attendants and pilots are the worst. I've seen a FA who was on day 4 of their work schedule, had been through multiple other airports where they get to just walk into the secure area, and then at my airport I found a loaded magazine in their carry-on. No pistol - just a loaded magazine. Still...
 
2021-02-25 8:58:05 PM  

LineNoise: Not to shiat on the TSA, but since they weren't doing layoffs, i'd imagine that they were a bit less worked in 2020 than in 2019, and you would expect them to spot more.


Nope. Skills deteriorate when we aren't working and practicing as much. Skills go stale. If you are complacent and have a set of skills that has been decaying for a while because of the pandemic, you catch less.
 
2021-02-25 9:02:09 PM  

kindms: the old school walk through have sensitivity settings


The Undetectable Firearms Act gives you hints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetec​t​able_Firearms_Act

At an absolute minimum, WTMDs are set to alarm with 3.7 ounces (105 grams) of steel.
 
2021-02-25 9:07:13 PM  

CptnSpldng: IamTomJoad: Friend of mine took a TSA position while waiting to recover from a surgery that prevented him from doing his actual job.

2 months in he was chosen to fly from his station to two different airports and then return the next day.

His job was to test the screeners.

1 out of nine different times was he caught with the gun he was given.

Anecdotal, but still scary.

/bonus was I got a good idea on how to carry illicit materials past checkpoints

How many times did he get shot because the TSA folks felt "Threatened?"


Really?

It's not like he's Billy Costigan, he had all the proper papers on him and knew who was supervising at each stop.

So, no. The ONE TIME it ever came up he just explains the situation, shows his badge and asks for the supervisor.....who is called anyway when a weapon is found.

Thus, like the article clearly stated, the reason it backs up the line.
 
2021-02-26 12:12:19 AM  

jmr61: 2wolves: Ambivalence: how stupid do you have to be to forget you're packing a gun?

If you have so many firearms that you don't have all their locations in the forefront of your mind you have too many firearms.

I thought trying to carry through an airport security checkpoint was a felony.

The vast majority are charged as misdemeanors by the local cops. That's the arrangement TSA has in most jurisdictions. TSA questions the violator in the airport, determines that they aren't a threat and then calls the local cops to come get them. TSA issues a typical fine of $4100 under federal guidelines and on top of that the violator deals with the misdemeanor charge of unlawfully possessing a firearm. That can of course be enhanced if there's a criminal history but most don't have one. They're just stupid.


That's not the TSA that I contracted with back when they were just out of the womb.  Those fine people wanted to hang everyone to prove the tax dollars were being spent with a prudent fanaticism.
 
2021-02-26 8:25:10 AM  

Mugato: I had to take my belt off at the tax collector's office.


was it... a money belt?
 
2021-02-26 8:35:49 AM  

vudukungfu: Mugato: I had to take my belt off at the tax collector's office.

was it... a money belt?


Being your personal lube.

It's tax deductible
 
2021-02-26 9:22:38 AM  
These people that are that stupid or forgetful with a gun blow my mind. Just check your damn gun. It's easy and as a bonus they bring your luggage right out to you and hand over, no waiting for the belt. I'm one of those collectors who literally doesn't know how many firearms they own, and yet I've never gone to the airport with a gun accidentally in a bag.
 
2021-02-26 9:42:52 AM  

2wolves: If you have so many firearms that you don't have all their locations in the forefront of your mind you have too many firearms.


Naa no such thing. It's like any other inanimate object. Do you know where every socket or screwdriver is at every moment or even how many you own? I mean sure they're probably all in the garage, but maybe there's an old box you forgot about in the basement from a yard sale. Federally things like a trigger group can be considered a firearm if it's the serialized part. ( Side note People have been busted for that sort of thing in airports. Not thinking it's illegal to carry on parts. But as a few people could assemble a gun, of course it is) I have a big box of old rifle and shotgun receivers with some parts. Hell if I remember each one. But federally there's probably 10 guns in that box alone.
 
2021-02-26 12:06:15 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: 2wolves: If you have so many firearms that you don't have all their locations in the forefront of your mind you have too many firearms.

Naa no such thing. It's like any other inanimate object. Do you know where every socket or screwdriver is at every moment or even how many you own? I mean sure they're probably all in the garage, but maybe there's an old box you forgot about in the basement from a yard sale. Federally things like a trigger group can be considered a firearm if it's the serialized part. ( Side note People have been busted for that sort of thing in airports. Not thinking it's illegal to carry on parts. But as a few people could assemble a gun, of course it is) I have a big box of old rifle and shotgun receivers with some parts. Hell if I remember each one. But federally there's probably 10 guns in that box alone.


I don't recall saying "parts."
 
2021-02-26 12:19:29 PM  
TSA Security Theater is a curse upon this country.
 
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