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(Washington Post)   Scientists discover unprecedented changes in Atlantic Ocean currents. Hey, I've seen this movie. It was frightening and ended up with the entire United States, except for Jake Gyllenhaal, freezing to death. That can't be real, though, right?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Climate, Thermohaline circulation, Arctic Ocean, Antarctica, Climate change, Ocean, Gulf Stream, Physical oceanography  
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2021-02-25 2:50:36 PM  
Was that the one that ended with a shot of Americans streaming across the Mexican border illegally to escape the ravages of climate change? It was such a subtle and yet powerful social message, the sort of nuanced layering of meaning that I don't think I'd witnessed since the end of "Volcano" when nobody could see racial divisions anymore because they were all equally covered in ash.
 
2021-02-25 2:55:57 PM  
When the palm trees stop growing in Scotland, we're screwed.
 
2021-02-25 3:01:48 PM  
Oh this will keep you busy (PDF)

100 page NOAA paper on the subject
I'll be in my bunk
 
2021-02-25 3:05:52 PM  
So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?
 
2021-02-25 3:11:23 PM  

OdradekRex: So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?


Remember when shutting a wooden door would easily stop temperatures that could flash-freeze a person?

Good times
 
2021-02-25 3:15:23 PM  
"Overmorrow" sounds like it should have Hobbits in it.
 
2021-02-25 3:22:56 PM  
Considering the oceans store over 90% of the world's heat, thermal inertia (google it) will ensure that the changes we're seeing now are only gaining momentum as that heat is distributed via currents.

If you've ever observed how long it takes a pool heated by the sun to peak and cool off, that will give you some idea of thermal inertia. Scale that up to the Earth's oceans, and yeah. :/

So the stuff we've been enduring lately? Dig in, it's gonna get worse.
 
2021-02-25 3:34:24 PM  

OdradekRex: So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?


*Looks at his burning copy of Atlas Shrugged.*

Yeah. For warmth.

/Bonus: was stuck in TX during the blackout.
 
2021-02-25 4:05:43 PM  
Mainland Europe will welcome refugee Brits when England turns into an arctic wasteland.

/surely
 
2021-02-25 4:25:57 PM  

OdradekRex: So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?


That is very La Boheme.  "Che gelida manina..."
 
2021-02-25 4:37:41 PM  

Sgygus: Mainland Europe will welcome refugee Brits when England turns into an arctic wasteland.

/surely


The current in question is about all that keeps Europe from being a kilometer deep in ice.
 
2021-02-25 4:43:09 PM  

OdradekRex: So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?


Ha! Joke's on the south; they already burned all the ones Jesus didn't posthumously approve of.
 
2021-02-25 4:52:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: OdradekRex: So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?

Remember when shutting a wooden door would easily stop temperatures that could flash-freeze a person?

Good times


That is one of those movies that is so ridiculous that I watch it every time it comes on.
 
2021-02-25 4:56:48 PM  
James Burke called this in 1989.  "After the Warming".  By the time we figure out if the Gulf stream is dying, it will already be dead.  The interocean conveyor moves heat and marine life around the world and it's collapsing too.  Some parts of the Pacific are storing so much heat they can't take much anymore.  Once that surface water goes into the colder parts, the whole ocean dies.  And once fish aren't able to be harvested, whole countries will starve.  Like Japan.  Like Korea (Best and worst).

We don't need to be doing carbon footprint lowering, we need industrial scale carbon sequestration.  We need to take a few trillion pounds of CO2 out and we need to do it a decade ago.  We keep thinking it will be a slow process.  But at a certain point it cant repair and it will collapse quickly.  Watch how a dam breaks or an avalanche works.  Small becomes large very quickly and that tipping point is upon us.

Civilization may have only a decade to survive.  Because once the oceans are deserts, the food wars will begin, and places like Indonesia, Niger, Japan, will all not be able to feed it's people.  Heck places like Netherlands won't.

/Just wait for the bugs to start dying.
//That's endgame.  No fish, no bugs, no birds, no pollination, full ecological collapse.
 
2021-02-25 5:06:11 PM  
Great article. I like to stay up to date on current affairs.
 
2021-02-25 5:58:13 PM  
The USA Government in that movie skedaddled to Mexico with its military. I bet the Mexicans were delighted to have all you snow backs* down there.

Canada was not even mentioned, probably written off as doomed. I think Canadians went into their massive networks of underground tunnels, underground shopping malls, and snow-proofed homes and survived even better than the people down South, Mexico way. In my version of the back story, Place Ville Marie becomes the metropolis of a subterranean Canada, while the Government calls the Deifenbunker into service after leaving it to the tourists for many years.

BC, of course, continues to boast of its warm, English-like weather as it was a refuge in the past and might be another refuge in the future.

*Now they have something to call you when you call them w*******, besides "G-----".

You're welcome Mexico. Always pleased to help a neighbour,
 
2021-02-25 6:01:37 PM  
It would have been a lot cheaper and easier to prevent global warming damage a couple of decades or three or four, but conservatives and industry lobbies always playing the delaying game no matter the costs in hope that they will be dead and buried before anything expensive needs to be done.

Did you know that Margaret Thatcher was a global warmist? She appreciated the usefulness of that club to batter the coal miners into submission.
 
2021-02-25 6:04:33 PM  
Her minion, Sir Christopher Monckton, was a denialist, who said that people who were not scientists had no business talking about climate. His university education was from Oxbridge and was dedicated to the classics, which is to say ancient (and presumably modern) literature.

How ironic that a student of a non-science subjects shoudl pontificate so boldly and freely about science and who may play the science card.

Not him, surely.
 
2021-02-25 6:06:12 PM  
I mean surely, not Shirley or Shelley. Although I bet Sir Chris has a few Shelley tags he can drag out of his ancient memory, possibly "I am Ozymandius, King of Kings."

That's a favourite of mine.
 
2021-02-25 6:28:09 PM  

scottydoesntknow: OdradekRex: So, everyone to the library to burn books for warmth?

Remember when shutting a wooden door would easily stop temperatures that could flash-freeze a person?

Good times


Wood is an excellent insulator and holds a lot of heat.
Why do you think it burns, duh,
 
2021-02-25 6:34:26 PM  

dougermouse: James Burke called this in 1989.  "After the Warming".  By the time we figure out if the Gulf stream is dying, it will already be dead.  The interocean conveyor moves heat and marine life around the world and it's collapsing too.  Some parts of the Pacific are storing so much heat they can't take much anymore.  Once that surface water goes into the colder parts, the whole ocean dies.  And once fish aren't able to be harvested, whole countries will starve.  Like Japan.  Like Korea (Best and worst).

We don't need to be doing carbon footprint lowering, we need industrial scale carbon sequestration.  We need to take a few trillion pounds of CO2 out and we need to do it a decade ago.  We keep thinking it will be a slow process.  But at a certain point it cant repair and it will collapse quickly.  Watch how a dam breaks or an avalanche works.  Small becomes large very quickly and that tipping point is upon us.

Civilization may have only a decade to survive.  Because once the oceans are deserts, the food wars will begin, and places like Indonesia, Niger, Japan, will all not be able to feed it's people.  Heck places like Netherlands won't.

/Just wait for the bugs to start dying.
//That's endgame.  No fish, no bugs, no birds, no pollination, full ecological collapse.


Now,

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2021-02-25 6:36:03 PM  
Seems something I read a long time ago (I want to say in Scientific American or maybe Discover magazine) might be coming true:

- Global warming causes accelerated melt in Greenland and Canada.
- A whole bunch of fresh water gets dumped into the northern Atlantic Ocean.
- All that fresh water essentially breaks and shuts down the gulf stream.
- Europe, no longer getting warmer air off the Atlantic from waters that had flowed up from the equator, freezes.
- Sub-Sahara Africa, hit with an abundance of warmer air absorbed from ocean waters no longer heading north, becomes an extension of that desert.
- The increase in sub-tropical ocean temperatures causes a major up-tick in hurricanes originating from the region.
 
2021-02-25 7:48:30 PM  

dougermouse: We don't need to be doing carbon footprint lowering, we need industrial scale carbon sequestration.


We need to do both, and urgently. Whatever we can do, we need to do it. Now.
 
2021-02-25 7:53:44 PM  

spiralscratch: Seems something I read a long time ago (I want to say in Scientific American or maybe Discover magazine) might be coming true:

- Global warming causes accelerated melt in Greenland and Canada.
- A whole bunch of fresh water gets dumped into the northern Atlantic Ocean.
- All that fresh water essentially breaks and shuts down the gulf stream.
- Europe, no longer getting warmer air off the Atlantic from waters that had flowed up from the equator, freezes.
- Sub-Sahara Africa, hit with an abundance of warmer air absorbed from ocean waters no longer heading north, becomes an extension of that desert.
- The increase in sub-tropical ocean temperatures causes a major up-tick in hurricanes originating from the region.


Fairly accurate. I don't think they quite know how this will impact sub-Saharan Africa yet, but it may be a spectrum of things as it's such a large area. Some parts may benefit from increased precipitation and others may suffer more drought.
 
2021-02-25 10:31:31 PM  

make me some tea: Considering the oceans store over 90% of the world's heat, thermal inertia (google it) will ensure that the changes we're seeing now are only gaining momentum as that heat is distributed via currents.

If you've ever observed how long it takes a pool heated by the sun to peak and cool off, that will give you some idea of thermal inertia. Scale that up to the Earth's oceans, and yeah. :/

So the stuff we've been enduring lately? Dig in, it's gonna get worse.


I was discussing climate change with my sister a while ago. She said, and I quote, "the jury is still out". I said, no it's not. If you don't want to believe the scientists, just look at the natural world to see what changes plants and animals have already gone through such as changing migration patterns and plants now growing in regions they didn't used to. She then said, "well, the jury is still out for me".

/why yes, she voted for Trump
 
2021-02-25 11:27:58 PM  
The fear-mongering goes on and on.  And when all the dire predictions don't come true (just like Al Gore's "inconvenient" lies) - the faithful will still believe.  It should make you think - but it won't.
 
2021-02-26 9:23:44 AM  
You mean something predicted years ago is actually happening?  But I was told by deniers that modeling was useless.
 
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