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2021-02-25 1:00:28 PM  
I, for one, prefer a neverending story to one that finishes before I do.
 
2021-02-25 1:21:22 PM  
I care much less about this now that the TV show is finished.  The most important thing we learned is that there was never really a plan to finish it.  These myriad plot lines were not delicate threads woven in an intricate pattern whose substance would be made clear once you stepped back and viewed the completed work as a whole.  GRRM had a premise, he had characters, and he let the characters go where their interests led them.  And was masterful about accepting that some characters are going to get their asses killed, and he let them do that in ways most authors wouldn't be have the fortitude to do.  But that by itself does not make a story with a beginning, middle and an end.

That can be freeing.  The characters have no "true" destiny.  Whether they win, lose, or grow mushrooms out their ass is as arbitrary for you as it would be for GRRM.
 
2021-02-25 1:51:13 PM  
More attention to Zelazny's stuff is good, though. Honestly, some of his less-well-known stuff would make for pretty solid movies/TV. Dilvish, Coils, Creatures of Light and Darkness. Doorways In The Sand could be a truly hilarious miniseries.

Of course, the last time there was talk of a Zelazny movie, it was a CIA front...
 
2021-02-25 2:15:59 PM  
There are a lot of fat people, and there are a lot of old people.  But there aren't a lot of old fat people.

Write faster or drop 100# you bearded bastard.
 
2021-02-25 2:28:51 PM  
Yup, not even going to touch book 5 until it's all done.  I've pretty much forgotten everything from books 1-4, which is a shame, considering I loved the low-magic political setting.  It was almost like a book form of the Suikoden games, only more mature.
 
2021-02-25 2:34:19 PM  
I get the feeling that Martin has written himself into several corners and he doesn't know how to get out except the same way the TV show went.  And I can't see him toeing that line.  He lost the initiative.
 
2021-02-25 2:35:42 PM  

snocone: I, for one, prefer a neverending story to one that finishes before I do.


Limahl - Never Ending Story (Official Music Video)
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2021-02-25 2:39:38 PM  
We got a great TV show that ran for six seasons.  Let's be thankful for that.
 
2021-02-25 2:44:20 PM  
Can we get a Larry Niven Known Space series now?
 
2021-02-25 2:47:15 PM  
FINISH THE DAMN BOOKS GEORGE!
 
2021-02-25 2:58:52 PM  
I thought this was going to be about Star Citizen
 
2021-02-25 3:03:52 PM  
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There's better stuff out there, people. Time to move on.
 
2021-02-25 3:06:50 PM  

sorceror: More attention to Zelazny's stuff is good, though. Honestly, some of his less-well-known stuff would make for pretty solid movies/TV. Dilvish, Coils, Creatures of Light and Darkness. Doorways In The Sand could be a truly hilarious miniseries.

Of course, the last time there was talk of a Zelazny movie, it was a CIA front...


Have you read the book? Worthwhile, not my favorite Zelazny. I could believe that the whole thing was to justify the most excruciating pun I've ever seen in a novel.

I also snagged the Heavy Metal that ran the artwork that they used to promote the "movie". Jack Kirby at his Kirbyest.
 
2021-02-25 3:11:05 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: Have you read the book? Worthwhile, not my favorite Zelazny. I could believe that the whole thing was to justify the most excruciating pun I've ever seen in a novel.


I liked it, though not on the first reading. It really gave the flavor of a non-Western culture. But it's probably not the best way to start with the Zelazny oevre, I'll grant. One of the reasons I suggested the others.
 
2021-02-25 4:03:29 PM  

sorceror: More attention to Zelazny's stuff is good, though. Honestly, some of his less-well-known stuff would make for pretty solid movies/TV. Dilvish, Coils, Creatures of Light and Darkness. Doorways In The Sand could be a truly hilarious miniseries.

Of course, the last time there was talk of a Zelazny movie, it was a CIA front...


If you're into that kind of thing, his wife, Jonna Mendez, does a lot of interesting lectures over at the YouTube channel of the International Spy Museum.

Here is an interesting one about how they had to operate in Moscow:

The Moscow Rules with Jonna Mendez
Youtube glfruj7WjS8
 
2021-02-25 4:11:31 PM  
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2021-02-25 4:30:32 PM  

Nuuu: I care much less about this now that the TV show is finished. The most important thing we learned is that there was never really a plan to finish it.



The show's story ending is now canon.

There will be no final book.
 
2021-02-25 4:34:09 PM  

Nuuu: He let the characters go where their interests led them.  And was masterful about accepting that some characters are going to get their asses killed, and he let them do that in ways most authors wouldn't be have the fortitude to do.


I think that summarizes it completely. Now that the show has forcibly ended it I don't think he has any more interest in see where the characters go than most people do in rewatching the series today.
 
2021-02-25 4:38:13 PM  
He's never going to finish A Song of Ice and Fire. Writing is hard work and now he's sort of rich so suck it fans.
 
2021-02-25 5:02:22 PM  

syrynxx: There are a lot of fat people, and there are a lot of old people.  But there aren't a lot of old fat people.

Write faster or drop 100# you bearded bastard.


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2021-02-25 5:03:39 PM  

dittybopper: sorceror: More attention to Zelazny's stuff is good, though. Honestly, some of his less-well-known stuff would make for pretty solid movies/TV. Dilvish, Coils, Creatures of Light and Darkness. Doorways In The Sand could be a truly hilarious miniseries.

Of course, the last time there was talk of a Zelazny movie, it was a CIA front...

If you're into that kind of thing, his wife, Jonna Mendez, does a lot of interesting lectures over at the YouTube channel of the International Spy Museum.

Here is an interesting one about how they had to operate in Moscow:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/glfruj7W​jS8]


Jonna Mendez is married to Tony Mendez. But yes, her videos are fascinating.
 
2021-02-25 5:06:01 PM  
I've read Roadmarks more than twice.
Good book, enjoyable plot and premise.
Hope it transfers to video well.
 
2021-02-25 5:15:05 PM  
It still blows my mind that an entire TV series was conceived, produced, filmed, and finished in the time span between books. And it wasn't exactly a short TV series either.
 
2021-02-25 5:27:28 PM  
Eh. I kinda ran out of interest after finishing book five and realizing what his release schedule said about when things would be wrapped up. I'll grab the last books when they're finished.

Also, as others have said, after finishing the show I'm just kind of done with Westeros in general. I don't even have any interest in rewatching the show, let alone read the books again. It's the weirdest thing. GoT went from this massive cultural phenomenon to a giant "MEH" over the course of a season. Hell, over the course of a few episodes.
 
2021-02-25 5:37:58 PM  
I'm literally rewatching the entire GoT series at this very moment, and I'm also listening to the audio commentaries. Currently midway through Season 5.

Great series; I enjoy it much as the half dozen other times I watched it.
 
2021-02-25 5:53:27 PM  
I was excited for the "Wild Cards" series, but I guess that's not going to happen.
 
2021-02-25 7:11:10 PM  

xalres: Eh. I kinda ran out of interest after finishing book five and realizing what his release schedule said about when things would be wrapped up. I'll grab the last books when they're finished.

Also, as others have said, after finishing the show I'm just kind of done with Westeros in general. I don't even have any interest in rewatching the show, let alone read the books again. It's the weirdest thing. GoT went from this massive cultural phenomenon to a giant "MEH" over the course of a season. Hell, over the course of a few episodes.


Season 8 was a masterpiece of drek.

Game of Thrones is merely the first book. The autocrat of Westros is of little concern to the story, it's just a justification for all the political intrigue and open warfare between houses. The real story in A Song of Ice and Fire is the bloody song of ice and fire.  It was all building to a climactic war between the living and the dead.

Instead the Starks just pfft ended the entire white walker threat in one episode. A fun episode, but it's like climbing K2, losing ten good men and three good fingers along the way, reaching the summit... only to find that while you were halfway up they installed an escalator for tourists and it's no longer an accomplishment to reach the summit, here's a $10 bud lite in a paper cup bubye.
 
2021-02-25 8:17:39 PM  

mofa: I'm literally rewatching the entire GoT series at this very moment, and I'm also listening to the audio commentaries. Currently midway through Season 5.

Great series; I enjoy it much as the half dozen other times I watched it.


6 great seasons...one very good season with some excellent moments. Season 8 had 2 very good episodes...episode one was good . The final 2 were way too rushed and could have been done better in 4 or 5 episodes...but the 4 the episode was just a train wreck. But you know what....I won't let is last season be the the yardstick to judge the whole series by. It missed the landing....but there is so much good that only a petulant twit would toss it all out.
 
2021-02-25 8:35:23 PM  
We already got the end to ASOIAF.

It was unsurprising.
 
2021-02-25 9:18:44 PM  

red5ish: He's never going to finish A Song of Ice and Fire. Writing is hard work and now he's sort of rich so suck it fans.


You can rub elbows with Hollywood elite and try to get starlets to jerk your Joffrey or sit by yourself and write.  Hmm

HMMM
 
2021-02-25 9:39:53 PM  
Just as well he doesn't finish the book series. After well over a decade of berating and crushing expectations from the fans, releasing a final book, at this point, is doomed to disappoint.

A book that could have been will always be more intriguing than one that exists as an anti-climactic afterthought.

Besides, Martin is rich and famous now; he probably figured it ain't worth the hassle.
 
2021-02-25 10:10:04 PM  
Game of Thrones Finale but with a TWIST!
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2021-02-25 10:59:11 PM  

leeksfromchichis: xalres: Eh. I kinda ran out of interest after finishing book five and realizing what his release schedule said about when things would be wrapped up. I'll grab the last books when they're finished.

Also, as others have said, after finishing the show I'm just kind of done with Westeros in general. I don't even have any interest in rewatching the show, let alone read the books again. It's the weirdest thing. GoT went from this massive cultural phenomenon to a giant "MEH" over the course of a season. Hell, over the course of a few episodes.

Season 8 was a masterpiece of drek.

Game of Thrones is merely the first book. The autocrat of Westros is of little concern to the story, it's just a justification for all the political intrigue and open warfare between houses. The real story in A Song of Ice and Fire is the bloody song of ice and fire.  It was all building to a climactic war between the living and the dead.

Instead the Starks just pfft ended the entire white walker threat in one episode. A fun episode, but it's like climbing K2, losing ten good men and three good fingers along the way, reaching the summit... only to find that while you were halfway up they installed an escalator for tourists and it's no longer an accomplishment to reach the summit, here's a $10 bud lite in a paper cup bubye.


The showdown with the Night King was always going to be one giant battle.  You're dealing with an enemy that literally gets stronger the more you fight it.  If the undead weren't stopped in the first attack they weren't getting stopped ever.
 
2021-02-25 11:24:00 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Can we get a Larry Niven Known Space series now?


Amazon is developing Ringworld.
 
2021-02-26 12:23:40 AM  

Flappyhead: leeksfromchichis: xalres: Eh. I kinda ran out of interest after finishing book five and realizing what his release schedule said about when things would be wrapped up. I'll grab the last books when they're finished.

Also, as others have said, after finishing the show I'm just kind of done with Westeros in general. I don't even have any interest in rewatching the show, let alone read the books again. It's the weirdest thing. GoT went from this massive cultural phenomenon to a giant "MEH" over the course of a season. Hell, over the course of a few episodes.

Season 8 was a masterpiece of drek.

Game of Thrones is merely the first book. The autocrat of Westros is of little concern to the story, it's just a justification for all the political intrigue and open warfare between houses. The real story in A Song of Ice and Fire is the bloody song of ice and fire.  It was all building to a climactic war between the living and the dead.

Instead the Starks just pfft ended the entire white walker threat in one episode. A fun episode, but it's like climbing K2, losing ten good men and three good fingers along the way, reaching the summit... only to find that while you were halfway up they installed an escalator for tourists and it's no longer an accomplishment to reach the summit, here's a $10 bud lite in a paper cup bubye.

The showdown with the Night King was always going to be one giant battle.  You're dealing with an enemy that literally gets stronger the more you fight it.  If the undead weren't stopped in the first attack they weren't getting stopped ever.


That's exactly my point.

King's landing is chump change and already changed hands a few times. The white walkers and their army of the dead are the climax of the whole show. They should have done kings landing FIRST then settled everything against the white walkers.  Or, keeping the same story, less kings landing shenanigans and a two-parter with the battle of winterfel
 
2021-02-26 12:34:04 AM  
I could forgive the writers for just not being as good as GRRM. He was likely writing before their parents could even read.

But to go from the first few seasons to the eighth wasn't just bad writing, it was a series of dramatic choices that just... well, here we are less than a rick and morty hiatus away from the climactic ending and nobody hardly  cares what Georgie boy's up to.
 
2021-02-26 6:18:59 PM  
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