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2021-02-25 12:29:42 PM  
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2021-02-25 12:31:13 PM  
Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.
 
2021-02-25 12:34:20 PM  

vudukungfu: Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.


It sounds like the insurrection had help not only within the Capitol Police and Defense Department but within the FBI as well.
 
2021-02-25 12:38:04 PM  
Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.
 
2021-02-25 12:39:14 PM  
FBI warning about violence was sent to FBI agents embedded with Capitol Police who did not forward it to anyone.

Akshualee...

"They sent it to an officer in the protective and operations side of House security. This person did not send the report up the chain."
 
2021-02-25 12:41:20 PM  

thorpe: vudukungfu: Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.

It sounds like the insurrection had help not only within the Capitol Police and Defense Department but within the FBI as well.


I remember the FBI New York office being mentioned by Giuliani as being friendly during Trump's 2016 presidential run...what was that about again? Email dump?

I feel like I should remember but it was 500,000 lifetimes ago.
 
2021-02-25 12:43:09 PM  

wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.


I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.
 
2021-02-25 12:48:00 PM  

wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.


Gross incompetency is the only thing that prevent a successful coup. Need to line several republicans up against a wall and do what should be done to insurrectionists that attacked the US.
 
2021-02-25 12:51:25 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.


I  don't think even the millions of lazy, disengaged Americans that don't bother voting would be fine with the execution of sitting Congress folk (and the resulting illegitimate government).
 
2021-02-25 12:51:41 PM  
Burn out the cancer
 
2021-02-25 12:53:27 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.


Killing members of congress would not give him extended power.

He would need the military to seize Congress, the courts and likely the local police at a minimum.

He'd have to make it look like the armed forces were on his side in order to force opposition to consider the risks of being run over by a tank.

Seizing hostage or killing them in Congress doesn't accomplish his goal by itself.  It's a precondition but not a sufficient one.
 
2021-02-25 12:58:21 PM  

wejash: AdmirableSnackbar: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.

Killing members of congress would not give him extended power.

He would need the military to seize Congress, the courts and likely the local police at a minimum.

He'd have to make it look like the armed forces were on his side in order to force opposition to consider the risks of being run over by a tank.

Seizing hostage or killing them in Congress doesn't accomplish his goal by itself.  It's a precondition but not a sufficient one.


No it wouldn't accomplish it by itself, but having a Republican-controlled Congress start voting on shiat immediately could have gone a long way towards concentrating power.

Not saying they would have been successful long-term or anything, only that they could have done a fark-ton of damage that was fortunately avoided, although extremely narrowly.
 
2021-02-25 12:59:52 PM  
Looking beyond 1/6 and seeing republicans still spreading the big lie and trying to prevent voting it is clear republicans are continuing their terrorist actions. 181 republican members of Congress are still saying trump won and only fraud prevented him from being president. Until ronnie johnson and gym Jordan etc. publicly say Biden won without fraud  they need to be treated as enemies of the US democracy.
 
2021-02-25 1:00:22 PM  
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2021-02-25 1:01:45 PM  
Trump disabled everyone else's ability to respond to the best of his own ability.  The includes the Pentagon, the National Guard, the FBI, the Capitol Police, and maybe even the SPCA.
 
2021-02-25 1:02:19 PM  

eurotrader: Looking beyond 1/6 and seeing republicans still spreading the big lie and trying to prevent voting it is clear republicans are continuing their terrorist actions. 181 republican members of Congress are still saying trump won and only fraud prevented him from being president. Until ronnie johnson and gym Jordan etc. publicly say Biden won without fraud  they need to be treated as enemies of the US democracy.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2021-02-25 1:11:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: , and maybe even the SPCA.


Dude, and his family HATE animals, the sons don't conservation hunt, they trophy hunt. There's a reason there were no dogs or anything in the White House.  If he could have dismantled the SPCA you KNOW for a fact it would have been high priority for his administration.
 
2021-02-25 1:25:03 PM  

Barfmaker: thorpe: vudukungfu: Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.

It sounds like the insurrection had help not only within the Capitol Police and Defense Department but within the FBI as well.

I remember the FBI New York office being mentioned by Giuliani as being friendly during Trump's 2016 presidential run...what was that about again? Email dump?

I feel like I should remember but it was 500,000 lifetimes ago.


perhaps the FBI can investigate itsel...oh
 
2021-02-25 1:59:08 PM  
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Meh. Inter-agency intelligence sharing is overrated.
 
2021-02-25 2:01:02 PM  
We need serious police reform or this shiat will be worse the next time around.

I don't want to be relying on a foreign power to invade us and save us from ourselves.
 
2021-02-25 2:03:40 PM  
Nice to know that cops are still the problem.
 
2021-02-25 2:04:10 PM  
Was your job, security, honor and not being in jail, all worth it for an orange a hole that couldn't care less about you?
 
2021-02-25 2:06:31 PM  
How about of team of unaffiliated marijuana enthusiasts analyze the responses the FBI has to various ice creams in order to divine who is loyal to Putin?

My ice cream divination methods are sound. They get discord trolls banned from my friends' server. A certain ice cream provokes a specific set of responses programmed by Putin's propaganda.
 
2021-02-25 2:06:40 PM  
Define what "under investigation" means, Chief.

Posing for a selfie might warrant a written reprimand for the officer(s) who did it. Are any officers under investigation for doing anything to help or further the insurrection? Are any of these investigations resulting from information from the terrorists that the officers helped them in anyway?

A police officer can be "under investigation" as a result of a complaint that he/she used harsh language with somebody. Any complaint to police, regardless of its merits, might make an officer "under investigation."

I would imagine some are for complaints or allegations of excessive force.

Provide us with a full accounting of what exactly the officers are being investigated for. If they're found to have done things to help the terrorists, or if they did anything to jeopardize the security of the joint session, charge them.
 
2021-02-25 2:08:04 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.


Tin foil hat time. Perhaps all they needed was Pence to be removed from the capital. If you remember Grassley accidentally tweeted he was going to take over for Pence days before the violent riot. It seemed like an odd tweet at the time, but perhaps he knew what the plans were. It was followed by some back pedaling.

Grassley, a Trump supporter with concerns about "voting irregularities", possibly could have rejected all the valid electoral votes from contested states and instead choosing the unofficial ones from Trump groups. Which I assume would eventually fail, but it could have made things even worse.
 
2021-02-25 2:09:24 PM  

whidbey: Nice to know that cops are still the problem.


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2021-02-25 2:10:16 PM  
35 antifa were able to infiltrate the capitol police?
 
2021-02-25 2:10:44 PM  

vudukungfu: Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.


General population in the desert southwest.
 
2021-02-25 2:10:45 PM  

Shaggy_C: whidbey: Nice to know that cops are still the problem.

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It always feels like The Babylon Bee tries too hard.
 
2021-02-25 2:12:44 PM  

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Meh. Inter-agency intelligence sharing is overrated.


Especially when the person in the pinnacle position has a vested interest in the threat being a success.
 
2021-02-25 2:13:03 PM  

Shaggy_C: whidbey: Nice to know that cops are still the problem.

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During President Bidens administration it's hard to know if that's a real story or not.
 
2021-02-25 2:13:25 PM  
There was that FBI gal who said they knew about 911, but sat on it (in the St. Paul office)
 
2021-02-25 2:18:33 PM  

sorceror: FBI warning about violence was sent to FBI agents embedded with Capitol Police who did not forward it to anyone.

Akshualee...

"They sent it to an officer in the protective and operations side of House security. This person did not send the report up the chain."


I seem to remember something about poor interagency communications prior to 9/11, that they set up a new Department of Homeland Security to ensure there would be sufficient governmental communication to address terror threats.
 
2021-02-25 2:23:18 PM  

fsbilly: vudukungfu: Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.

General population in the desert southwest.


We've got GITMO just sitting there.
 
2021-02-25 2:24:21 PM  

jimjays: sorceror: FBI warning about violence was sent to FBI agents embedded with Capitol Police who did not forward it to anyone.

Akshualee...

"They sent it to an officer in the protective and operations side of House security. This person did not send the report up the chain."

I seem to remember something about poor interagency communications prior to 9/11, that they set up a new Department of Homeland Security to ensure there would be sufficient governmental communication to address terror threats.


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2021-02-25 2:24:52 PM  
I'm not even going to get my dick out for sucking. All of this has already been quietly dealt with in backrooms, in the name of unity or somesuch. Foot soldiers will go to prison with great media fanfare while the generals remain unnamed.  Why do you think Garland is getting a pass?
 
2021-02-25 2:27:04 PM  

kabloink: AdmirableSnackbar: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.

Tin foil hat time. Perhaps all they needed was Pence to be removed from the capital. If you remember Grassley accidentally tweeted he was going to take over for Pence days before the violent riot. It seemed like an odd tweet at the time, but perhaps he knew what the plans were. It was followed by some back pedaling.

Grassley, a Trump supporter with concerns about "voting irregularities", possibly could have rejected all the valid electoral votes from contested states and instead choosing the unofficial ones from Trump groups. Which I assume would eventually fail, but it could have made things even worse.


They were looking for more than that, though. They needed the House. Then they could resume the business of government (similar to what was done after order was restored, except with an illegitimate government acting as a legitimate government) and respond to the national emergency of the Capitol being attacked by Antifa disguised as Trump supporters. Start by refusing to certify the election due to voter fraud, then designating any person or organization left of Mitt Romney as a terrorist or terrorist organization and acting accordingly. And then they could have gone from there to continue to consolidate power and legitimize their illegitimate government. Any attacks on the new government would be considered follow-up attacks by terrorists. It would have likely taken an international effort, likely over several years, to help reclaim our country.

They just needed a few more things to break their way that day and they would have had their coup.
 
2021-02-25 2:28:43 PM  
The main purpose was to prevent the count altogether, so the republican delegations in the house could choose trump again.
 
2021-02-25 2:31:50 PM  

i state your name: fsbilly: vudukungfu: Nice cold prison cells should await them all.
This reeks of conspiracy and coup.

General population in the desert southwest.

We've got GITMO just sitting there.


I am trying to think of places where they won't have a lot of support in the pen, but I think I have it backward... Maryland might be better. GITMO is good, too.
 
2021-02-25 2:32:46 PM  

jimjays: sorceror: FBI warning about violence was sent to FBI agents embedded with Capitol Police who did not forward it to anyone.

Akshualee...

"They sent it to an officer in the protective and operations side of House security. This person did not send the report up the chain."

I seem to remember something about poor interagency communications prior to 9/11, that they set up a new Department of Homeland Security to ensure there would be sufficient governmental communication to address terror threats.


Obviously we need another huge organization over DHS that includes everything that got left out...
 
2021-02-25 2:33:27 PM  
Nothing to worry about guys, the people coming to protest think just like us.

And no one thought to be concerned about a mob of people coming together who think just like the police.  who loved everything about the previous summers' brutalizing and beating of peaceful BLM marchers, running them down with vehicles, aiming for the head with rubber bullets and tear gassing the marchers to incite riots to justify more brutality.  Certainly likeminded supporters of police brutality could never pose a serious threat to the police themselves.  /s

The embedded FBI agents that didn't share the intel should face life in prison.  They bear special responsibility for death of the cop and the 2 cop suicides.
 
2021-02-25 2:34:53 PM  

Sexy Jesus: Foot soldiers will go to prison with great media fanfare while the generals remain unnamed.


I agree with you, sadly.  MAGA Chad is farked, but the people that paid his bus ticket to DC to play insurrectionist, are going to skate away from all this.
 
2021-02-25 2:37:12 PM  
There are people in the FBI who are big fans of Hair Furor Schitgibbon. There is a whole contingent of them in the NYC FBI HQ. My image of them is that they are post 9/11 ptsd cases who've gathered round Rudy G, and Bernie Kerrick. Until they are revetted there are likely to be a continuation of stories about mixed reports and responses from inside the FBI, just like there has always been.
 
2021-02-25 2:38:49 PM  

jimjays: sorceror: FBI warning about violence was sent to FBI agents embedded with Capitol Police who did not forward it to anyone.

Akshualee...

"They sent it to an officer in the protective and operations side of House security. This person did not send the report up the chain."

I seem to remember something about poor interagency communications prior to 9/11, that they set up a new Department of Homeland Security to ensure there would be sufficient governmental communication to address terror threats.


As someone who subcontracted through CSC on the first TSA data/video mega-facility it wasn't about communication, it was who could spend the most money in the shortest amount of time.   All these GS career people that went begging for bread crumbs year after year found that switching to any arm of Homeland Security gave them carte blanche.  The lunches were off the hook.
 
2021-02-25 2:40:18 PM  
It's happening, just slower than people would like. But more thoroughly than the suspects had hoped.
 
2021-02-25 2:42:42 PM  

wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.


Don't worry, eventually we will get a competent fascist if we do not clean house now.

/we will eventually get a competent fascist
 
2021-02-25 2:47:23 PM  

wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.


I think they counted on the left being as stupid and undisciplined as they are and were expecting the events of 1\6 to be taking place against the backdrop of street battles between Proud Boys and antifa. Remember during Trump's speech there was a weird line asking all the police and military out here to join the march to the capitol when there weren't that many there. Seems they thought there would already have been military deployment, that the street violence would have heightened the sense of "which side are you on" and that the insurrectionists would be framed as the "good guys".
 
2021-02-25 2:47:32 PM  

Karma Chameleon: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

Don't worry, eventually we will get a competent fascist if we do not clean house now.

/we will eventually get a competent fascist


Not if we start enacting an aggressive agenda to modernize our socioeconomic policies and move the country away from uncontrolled capitalism and creeping fascism...shiat, we're definitely going to get a competent fascist sooner rather than later.
 
2021-02-25 2:47:48 PM  

wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.


If he had simply shown up to Congress he could have "officiated" appointing his own Congress and had them vote he was still president since the previous congress had "vacated the office and failed to complete their duties" and we would have so much shiat right now.

It would not have been legal but enough people would use it as cover for their bullshiat and accept it that we would likely be done it by it.

Fortunately he is a failure who could not close the deal.
 
2021-02-25 2:50:33 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: wejash: Imagine if Trump and Flynn were actually able to organize a proper coup competently instead of just engineering the conditions for a riot.

The street fighting would still be going on.

I think the only thing that prevented a successful coup here was that the crowd didn't get to any (or enough) members of Congress. Who knows what might have happened had they succeeded in murdering Congresspeople and changing the balance of power in Congress.

It seems as if they did everything they could but were thwarted by the Capitol police and law enforcement who they didn't have on their side.


The absolute most they could've accomplished would be to trigger some special elections to replace whoever they managed to shoot before someone ordered in snipers to settle their hash. Even with loyalists in high positions, once Congress members are being shot on live broadcast, somone in a position of authority would be sending in SWAT teams and/or Guard or even regular army units in to do some shooting. There's zero evidence that anyone involved in that clusterf*ck had a realistic plan for how they were going to actually overthrow the sitting government, and the only way they could've prevented Biden from being inaugurated on schedule would've been to shoot him, which would've been difficult because afaik he wasn't anywhere near the Capitol at the time. I'm not saying it wasn't  a bad thing, or that they didn't have murder on their minds, or even that they didn't fully intend to overthrow the government and install Trump as a dictator. I'm just saying that there was never a realistic chance that they were going to achieve that final goal by playing Capture the Flag with Congress.
 
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