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(NBC News)   Dominion's lawsuits are not like Devin Nunes's lawsuits. "They involve provably false statements of fact, some of which were made after the defendants were notified of their falsity"   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2021-02-25 11:37:26 AM  
Dominion lawyers present stuff like evidence and base their case on actual laws.  Their legal briefs don't have spelling mistakes, fictional places or outright conspiracy theories.  They're crazy.
 
2021-02-25 12:12:48 PM  

mrshowrules: Dominion lawyers present stuff like evidence and base their case on actual laws.  Their legal briefs don't have spelling mistakes, fictional places or outright conspiracy theories.  They're crazy.


Crazy like a judge.
 
2021-02-25 12:50:47 PM  
Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase. Presumably that will be reciprocal and require Rudy to disclose those emails to him that told him to drop certain claims because they were obvious BS. Of course I suspect Rudy may have since tried to delete some of those emails. And it will be very interesting when those emails are subsequently offered into evidence by the original senders or others in the chain.

Yup, looking forward to discovery.
 
2021-02-25 2:30:12 PM  

wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase. Presumably that will be reciprocal and require Rudy to disclose those emails to him that told him to drop certain claims because they were obvious BS. Of course I suspect Rudy may have since tried to delete some of those emails. And it will be very interesting when those emails are subsequently offered into evidence by the original senders or others in the chain.

Yup, looking forward to discovery.


Dominion is going to have to provide all the requested documentation.  For instance, the following might be all documents for all communications to officials and organisations in Venezuela; communications to officials in the Biden or Democratic party; and a copy of their your contracts with Smartmatic"

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Meanwhile, Dominion could request a copy of all Rudy's communications which specified foreign and domsetic individuals known to wish to undermine the validity of the 2020 elections.  Dominion's case, if you read their complaint, isn't just that the lied about them.  It is that they specifically sought a bad guy to target as part of their conspiracy.  That allows Dominion to go after a shiatload of communications.
 
2021-02-25 3:03:02 PM  
It's like Mike Lindell idolizes Trump so much that he's trying to bankrupt his company
 
2021-02-25 3:04:01 PM  
Calling out liars in court? GET OUT!
If Dominion wins and sets a precedent, Will Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham all shiat their pants at the same time?
 
2021-02-25 3:05:37 PM  
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Also, cows were not involved.

Probably.
 
2021-02-25 3:07:05 PM  
It's not just that Dominion and Smartmatic have lots of facts. They also have their cease and desist warnings. They told the various entities that IF they did not stop they were prepared to go forward with litigation. They gave them fair warning.

Faux Nooz's argument that they should be allowed to "discuss" opinions that are "controversial" is disingenuous. There are plenty of other ways to talk about the issue, without having guests on who screech that "Dominion helped steal the election!! Smartmatic is run by a dead Venezuelan dictator!" They chose not to do that.

I think Dominion may not win a money judgment, but they have a good chance of winning the case.
 
2021-02-25 3:07:22 PM  
"we're gonna open up the libel laws" rings a little different now huh doesn't it, derpers
 
2021-02-25 3:08:15 PM  

wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase.


Is that why he tried so hard to duck the process server? That needs to be a bit on some sketch comedy show. Maybe a crossover with "The Fugitive". One of the Founders could have just shape shifted into Giuliani's wife and served him the papers that way.

/are we not doing DS9 references anymore?

Anyway, I doubt the MyPillow Guy has a billion dollars. Crack is cheap compared to pure coke but money still burns when you're fiending and I'm betting he's back on the rock.
 
2021-02-25 3:09:04 PM  

wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase. Presumably that will be reciprocal and require Rudy to disclose those emails to him that told him to drop certain claims because they were obvious BS. Of course I suspect Rudy may have since tried to delete some of those emails. And it will be very interesting when those emails are subsequently offered into evidence by the original senders or others in the chain.

Yup, looking forward to discovery.


All the maniacs who surround Trump have is bluster, just like the idiot himself. Bluster will not save you from a defamation suit.
 
2021-02-25 3:10:03 PM  
Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini? I recall him repeatedly saying (and Tweeting) that Dominion machines were the cause of the "fraud".

Or are they?  Honestly, I can't keep everything straight in my head about this stuff anymore.
 
2021-02-25 3:10:06 PM  

Pinner: Calling out liars in court? GET OUT!
If Dominion wins and sets a precedent, Will Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham all shiat their pants at the same time?


They've probably already gone through a couple boxes of Depends.  Are Hannity and Ingraham still talking about Dominion on their shows?
 
2021-02-25 3:10:26 PM  
FTFA: "Depending on how these claims play out, they could have significant consequences for the media and political discourse."

Boy, that'd be nice.
 
2021-02-25 3:10:54 PM  
Strange that it might be this slander case that slows the Trump train.

lol, who am I kidding, facts mean nothing to these people.
 
2021-02-25 3:11:03 PM  
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2021-02-25 3:12:43 PM  

mrshowrules: wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase. Presumably that will be reciprocal and require Rudy to disclose those emails to him that told him to drop certain claims because they were obvious BS. Of course I suspect Rudy may have since tried to delete some of those emails. And it will be very interesting when those emails are subsequently offered into evidence by the original senders or others in the chain.

Yup, looking forward to discovery.

Dominion is going to have to provide all the requested documentation.  For instance, the following might be all documents for all communications to officials and organisations in Venezuela; communications to officials in the Biden or Democratic party; and a copy of their your contracts with Smartmatic"

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Meanwhile, Dominion could request a copy of all Rudy's communications which specified foreign and domsetic individuals known to wish to undermine the validity of the 2020 elections.  Dominion's case, if you read their complaint, isn't just that the lied about them.  It is that they specifically sought a bad guy to target as part of their conspiracy.  That allows Dominion to go after a shiatload of communications.


Fortunately for Rudy, truth is the absolute defense.  He will have the opportunity to stand before a judge and show all his evidence that Dominion machines switched votes.  When the judge and jury see that, I am confident the case will be thrown out.
 
2021-02-25 3:12:51 PM  

mrshowrules: Dominion lawyers present stuff like evidence and base their case on actual laws.  Their legal briefs don't have spelling mistakes, fictional places or outright conspiracy theories.  They're crazy.


Gondor stands, I say!
 
2021-02-25 3:14:16 PM  

Mugato: wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase.

Is that why he tried so hard to duck the process server? That needs to be a bit on some sketch comedy show.


I hate reality TV shows, but I kind of think it would be fun to make little mini-series out of trying to serve him.

And it would be really sweet if Borat would do this. Having Rudy have to pull his hands out of his pants again to take the papers would be gold.
 
2021-02-25 3:15:29 PM  
I'm really going to enjoy keeping up with these upcoming court cases.  Going to be very entertaining.
 
2021-02-25 3:17:33 PM  

Slide10000: Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini? I recall him repeatedly saying (and Tweeting) that Dominion machines were the cause of the "fraud".

Or are they?  Honestly, I can't keep everything straight in my head about this stuff anymore.


Trump is a weaker case because of sovereign immunity.
 
2021-02-25 3:18:04 PM  

mrshowrules: That allows Dominion to go after a shiatload of communications.


"So how did you come to that conclusion?"
"Someone told me."
"So who told you that?"
"I don't recall."
"You don't recall who informed you of a vast fraud against the US democratic protest?"
"Some guy. Seemed legit."
"He seemed legit?"
"Yes."
"So you recall your perception of his legitimacy, but you took no interest in his identity?"
"Hey. Hey. Let's not bring identity politics into this."
 
2021-02-25 3:18:41 PM  

GanjSmokr: I'm really going to enjoy keeping up with these upcoming court cases.  Going to be very entertaining.


A lot of numbers and figures and tax shiat. It's going to be dryer than Ellen at a Chippendales. But the verdict part could be fun.
 
2021-02-25 3:25:32 PM  
Haven't read yet, but I assume Dominion's lawsuit filings were written by actual practicing attorneys who understand the legal definitions of arcane terms like "evidence" and "cause" and "standing."
 
2021-02-25 3:25:38 PM  
The Supreme Court has recognized a high level of protection for statements of opinion. The court once noted that "there is no such thing as a false idea."

That's a false idea.
 
2021-02-25 3:25:59 PM  

Slide10000: Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini? I recall him repeatedly saying (and Tweeting) that Dominion machines were the cause of the "fraud".

Or are they?  Honestly, I can't keep everything straight in my head about this stuff anymore.



Trump's defense is like why Tucker was absolved in a similar suit. Tucker wasn't credible enough to think that people would actually believe him, no sane person would. In support of this, we cite the insane people who believed Trump. Now find us a sane person who did.
 
2021-02-25 3:26:04 PM  

Slide10000: Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini? I recall him repeatedly saying (and Tweeting) that Dominion machines were the cause of the "fraud".

Or are they?  Honestly, I can't keep everything straight in my head about this stuff anymore.


Defamation isn't just saying bad things about someone.  It requires specific statements of (false) facts.  Vague hyperbole doesn't cut it.

If I say "Slide1000 is a bad guy who does bad stuff", that isn't defamation because it's vague puffery.

If I say "Slide1000 stole $1000 from their employer and used it to buy meth", that's defamation (assuming it was false, which I am assuming).

Trump was spouting off, but Colludy and Bite My Pillow were laying out quite specific claims about the voting machines.  There is no way in hell you could find Trump guilty of defamation - all you would do is give him a win and let him strut around crowing about how stupid you are.  But the other two said factual things that the voting machine companies can prove are not actually true.  That gets you a win, and some amount of money (there is absolutely no chance the companies will get what they are asking for - that's just a PR amount - but they have a decent chance of getting something).
 
2021-02-25 3:26:43 PM  

wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase. Presumably that will be reciprocal and require Rudy to disclose those emails to him that told him to drop certain claims because they were obvious BS. Of course I suspect Rudy may have since tried to delete some of those emails. And it will be very interesting when those emails are subsequently offered into evidence by the original senders or others in the chain.

Yup, looking forward to discovery.


My guess is that there are dozens of countries, and privateer hackers who've phished his email accounts. It'll be coming out for sure when Rudy's attackers realize he can't pay ransom.
 
2021-02-25 3:28:22 PM  
Which is why it took months to produce the suits, not days, and why they read like a true legal doc, not the crap the Karen lawsuits contained. I can't even ironically call that lady the Kraken anymore, it's too absurdist to be funny at this point.
 
2021-02-25 3:32:04 PM  

recombobulator: The Supreme Court has recognized a high level of protection for statements of opinion. The court once noted that "there is no such thing as a false idea."

That's a false idea.


How do you figure?
 
2021-02-25 3:34:17 PM  

wademh: Trump's defense is like why Tucker was absolved in a similar suit. Tucker wasn't credible enough to think that people would actually believe him, no sane person would


Fox "News" is in two quantum states at the same time. When they want to brag about being the #1 news network and talk shiat about the libs, they're a news network. When they're called out for their blatant lies and general douchebaggery, they're an entertainment network with just opinion pieces.
 
2021-02-25 3:36:11 PM  

pdieten: recombobulator: The Supreme Court has recognized a high level of protection for statements of opinion. The court once noted that "there is no such thing as a false idea."

That's a false idea.

How do you figure?


My dog ate my GED in Law but I don't think tacking on "It's my opinion that....." in front of a blatant libelous lie would hold up in court.
 
2021-02-25 3:43:27 PM  

wademh: Rudy claims he's looking forward to the discovery phase. Presumably that will be reciprocal and require Rudy to disclose those emails to him that told him to drop certain claims because they were obvious BS. Of course I suspect Rudy may have since tried to delete some of those emails. And it will be very interesting when those emails are subsequently offered into evidence by the original senders or others in the chain.

Yup, looking forward to discovery.


I feel like Mr. Pillow will be a more enjoyable case than Mr. 9/11, but maybe we'll get lucky and Mr. Pillow, Mr. 9/11 and Powell will all be in court at the same time.
 
2021-02-25 3:44:04 PM  

Teddy Brosevelt: "we're gonna open up the libel laws" rings a little different now huh doesn't it, derpers


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We all saw that coming.
 
2021-02-25 3:45:07 PM  

pdieten: recombobulator: The Supreme Court has recognized a high level of protection for statements of opinion. The court once noted that "there is no such thing as a false idea."

That's a false idea.

How do you figure?


"Cooked chicken falls down upon us daily."

This is an idea, and it is false. It now exists, as an idea, but it is false.
 
2021-02-25 3:53:20 PM  
There's a nice irony here.  I'm not sure exactly where it is.   But I bet if I pry off the 'Diebold' nameplates which are still present on many of these machines, it will be easily found.
 
2021-02-25 3:54:24 PM  
The crux of this episode is that the art of innuendo has been refined to function as defamation or incitement, while incitement/defamation have been refined to be indistinguishable from innuendo.
 
2021-02-25 3:54:33 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: pdieten: recombobulator: The Supreme Court has recognized a high level of protection for statements of opinion. The court once noted that "there is no such thing as a false idea."

That's a false idea.

How do you figure?

"Cooked chicken falls down upon us daily."

This is an idea, and it is false. It now exists, as an idea, but it is false.


I once had a long drawn out argument with someone who claimed "opinions can't be wrong, because they are just an opinion".

/We need better mental health care in this country
 
2021-02-25 4:00:00 PM  
It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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2021-02-25 4:00:42 PM  

Slide10000: Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini?


They're only suing people who actually have money.
 
2021-02-25 4:01:14 PM  

Slide10000: Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini? I recall him repeatedly saying (and Tweeting) that Dominion machines were the cause of the "fraud".

Or are they?  Honestly, I can't keep everything straight in my head about this stuff anymore.


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They're circling around his fat ass, making it squirm. You know he's paying attention to this case, in full blown panic mode. If\when they win the lawsuits, he'll be sweating and blubbering knowing full well his goose is cooked, and it will be glorious.
 
2021-02-25 4:01:25 PM  

Spice Must Flow: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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You ought not to do that if you're taking statins.
 
2021-02-25 4:04:26 PM  

Palined Parenthood: It's like Mike Lindell idolizes Trump so much that he's trying to bankrupt his company


Made me think of this
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/i'm old
 
2021-02-25 4:10:45 PM  

recombobulator: The Supreme Court has recognized a high level of protection for statements of opinion. The court once noted that "there is no such thing as a false idea."

That's a false idea.


The summary or Supreme Court?

We begin with the common ground. Under the First Amendment there is no such thing as a false idea. However pernicious an opinion may seem, we depend for its correction not on the conscience of judges and juries but *340 on the competition of other ideas.[8] But there is no constitutional value in false statements of fact
 
2021-02-25 4:27:13 PM  
Gosh and golly!  It appears the tried and true "Some people are saying" tact no longer will carry the day.
 
2021-02-25 4:28:01 PM  

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I made baked stuffed clams and my wife, who has only had store bought clams that are 90% bread says, "Eww, these taste clammy!"
 
2021-02-25 4:31:20 PM  
Dominion, listen: Do not settle out of court! Make it go all the way and bleed him dry.
 
2021-02-25 4:33:02 PM  

Halfabee64: 70Ford: [i.imgflip.com image 500x734]

I made baked stuffed clams and my wife, who has only had store bought clams that are 90% bread says, "Eww, these taste clammy!"


Something something yeast infection.
 
2021-02-25 4:34:40 PM  

Slide10000: Out of curiosity, why aren't they suing Cheetolini?


He has no money for them to collect. Blood from a stone and all that.

/"I'm a billionaire!"
//Closets full of Monopoly money
///Making him wait while the underlings get hosed.
 
2021-02-25 4:36:39 PM  

Gyrfalcon: It's not just that Dominion and Smartmatic have lots of facts. They also have their cease and desist warnings. They told the various entities that IF they did not stop they were prepared to go forward with litigation. They gave them fair warning.


And yet they persisted.....

/i can never resist
 
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