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(ABC7 Chicago)   81 people attend a high-intensity fitness class for a week. 22 of them are covid-positive on the first day. Calculate the R value if a week later 55 of them are covid positive. As a bonus, calculate the lawsuit value the gym might be facing   (abc7chicago.com) divider line
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2021-02-24 11:19:45 PM  
Gym faces no lawsuit because every idiot who attended the classes is just as stupid as the owner.
 
2021-02-24 11:35:35 PM  
Way the hell back in May/June I was of the opinion that a gym, with lots of people breathing heavily, is perhaps the best way to spread an airborne virus.

It's amazing what you can work out with literally no medical training but just a tiny bit of common sense.

/but people needed haircuts
//and to pick up and then put down heavy things
 
2021-02-25 12:26:16 AM  
Quite a lot of Covid legislation to 'get back to work' specifically disallows lawsuits from crappy business owners....FREEDUM.
 
2021-02-25 3:35:26 AM  
Bob is here. Respect him.
 
2021-02-25 3:36:58 AM  
They're all just Americans, right?
 
2021-02-25 3:37:08 AM  
I'm catching COVID at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2021-02-25 3:47:54 AM  
But I'm young and fit! They said I couldn't catch COVID! How can this be?!?
 
2021-02-25 3:52:28 AM  
I thought shoveling snow was the preferred 'high intensity' workout in Chicago?
 
2021-02-25 3:55:35 AM  
22/81 * T = .000013%.  About the same odds as catching chickenpox.


T = Trump's constant. It's the number you multiply reality by to get the answer you want.  Just ask Deutsche Bank.
 
2021-02-25 3:56:58 AM  
One of those SMH articles from a Toronto area spin room from last October:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/at-least-4​7​-covid-19-cases-linked-to-outbreak-at-​hamilton-spin-studio-1.5141688


"Staff and members were screened upon entry, masks were worn before and after class..."
 
2021-02-25 4:02:48 AM  

Gubbo: Way the hell back in May/June I was of the opinion that a gym, with lots of people breathing heavily, is perhaps the best way to spread an airborne virus.

It's amazing what you can work out with literally no medical training but just a tiny bit of common sense.

/but people needed haircuts
//and to pick up and then put down heavy things


Look on the bright side:

Once COVID has destroyed these people's lung function, every object - including their own f*cking limbs - will feel heavy.
 
2021-02-25 4:03:28 AM  
It's almost as if there is a pandemic and it's not over yet.
 
2021-02-25 4:03:50 AM  

Dave2042: They're all just Americans, right?


For a few more weeks in some cases, yes.
 
2021-02-25 4:06:09 AM  
Exercising outdoors or virtually could further reduce the risk of the virus being spread.

I'm doing my part

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2021-02-25 4:10:23 AM  

Gubbo: Way the hell back in May/June I was of the opinion that a gym, with lots of people breathing heavily, is perhaps the best way to spread an airborne virus.

It's amazing what you can work out with literally no medical training but just a tiny bit of common sense.


Sometimes common sense is actually wrong, and it is critical to defer to science to supersede our intuitions.

This is not one of those times.
 
2021-02-25 4:17:02 AM  
"Some took classes on the same day or after receiving a positive test result."

I have no words for this level of criminally negligent selfishness. If there was any justice those people would be jailed for a long time, given that it won't just be the other idiots in the class that they infected.
 
2021-02-25 4:42:13 AM  
R is 1.05 assuming 100% transmission at the gym.

The gym is an LLC and broke, so no damages but the gym owner will have to serve each survivor as a butler for one month.
 
2021-02-25 4:44:09 AM  

thealgorerhythm: The gym is an LLC and broke, so no damages but the gym owner will have to serve each survivor as a butler for one month.


Is this customary in your legal system?
 
2021-02-25 4:57:54 AM  
Golds Gym charged a $20 COVID cleaning fee just so they could hold maskless spin and yoga classes.  I go at off times to minimize people and covidiots.
 
2021-02-25 5:25:55 AM  

Gubbo: Way the hell back in May/June I was of the opinion that a gym, with lots of people breathing heavily, is perhaps the best way to spread an airborne virus.

It's amazing what you can work out with literally no medical training but just a tiny bit of common sense.

/but people needed haircuts
//and to pick up and then put down heavy things



In Florida people were whining about the gym COVID closures by exercising on the sidewalks outside the courthouse in protest, inadvertently proving the point that you can exercise anywhere and don't have an actual need to visit a gym in the middle of a pandemic:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coron​a​virus/os-ne-demonstrators-exercise-pro​test-gyms-outside-pinellas-courthouse-​20200512-vsziryxbmvfvtppk3coxt7hgqi-st​ory.html
 
2021-02-25 5:38:42 AM  
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2021-02-25 5:46:28 AM  
Personal Responsibil-a-whatnow?  F*ck that, sue the bastards.  How could anyone have known attending close quarters exercise facilities with people heavily breathing all over the f*cking place might transmit a respiratory virus?
 
2021-02-25 5:49:39 AM  

lennavan: Personal Responsibil-a-whatnow?  F*ck that, sue the bastards.  How could anyone have known attending close quarters exercise facilities with people heavily breathing all over the f*cking place might transmit a respiratory virus?


To be honest, I'd be amazed if they could sue.  My gym sure as hellbdoesnt act like that's a possibility.   The septegenarian walking comorbidity that works there weekday mornings wears his mask as a chin diaper.  He literally takes it less seriously that the vast majority of members.
 
2021-02-25 5:53:02 AM  
Stuff like this is why I have been avoiding people for almost a year, can't trust anyone. At work I spend most of the time in my part of the building and I am glad hardly anyone else is in that part of the building.
 
2021-02-25 6:03:22 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Gym faces no lawsuit because every idiot who attended the classes is just as stupid as the owner.


born_yesterday: To be honest, I'd be amazed if they could sue.  My gym sure as hellbdoesnt act like that's a possibility.   The septegenarian walking comorbidity that works there weekday mornings wears his mask as a chin diaper.  He literally takes it less seriously that the vast majority of members.


Uhhh - how the hell is anyone still under the impression that being obviously wrong and at fault prevents a person from suing the venue where whatever shiat went down?  And winning, too.  Modern jurisprudence seems to be all about "Well, people are farking morons so it's all on you, service provider."
 
2021-02-25 6:20:46 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: GreatGlavinsGhost: Gym faces no lawsuit because every idiot who attended the classes is just as stupid as the owner.

born_yesterday: To be honest, I'd be amazed if they could sue.  My gym sure as hellbdoesnt act like that's a possibility.   The septegenarian walking comorbidity that works there weekday mornings wears his mask as a chin diaper.  He literally takes it less seriously that the vast majority of members.

Uhhh - how the hell is anyone still under the impression that being obviously wrong and at fault prevents a person from suing the venue where whatever shiat went down?  And winning, too.  Modern jurisprudence seems to be all about "Well, people are farking morons so it's all on you, service provider."


McConnell tried to force a "zero liability for companies re:COVID, no matter how negligent" rider in the previous COVID stimulus bill.
 
2021-02-25 6:31:11 AM  
You can stay perfectly fit and healthy without stepping foot into a gym.   Worried about losing you "gainz"?    That's a hobby.    A lot of us gave up hobbies and more to help keep people safe and get rid of this virus.
 
2021-02-25 6:35:45 AM  
81 people attend a high-intensity fitness class for a week. 22 of them are covid-positive on the first day. Calculate the R value if a week later 55 of them are covid positive. As a bonus, calculate the lawsuit value the gym might be facing"

That sounds pretty intense. At least they got their money's worth.
 
2021-02-25 6:47:29 AM  
Where the sam hell did they find a gym class that fully 1/4 of them *already had it*?

Jesus.
 
2021-02-25 6:53:46 AM  
In Calgary, gym owners and restaurant owners were complaining that covid was not significantly spread in gyms, and should be allowed to reopen.

They were allowed to reopen, with limits.

The govt of alberta is investigating why the infection rate isn't as low as they had hoped.
 
2021-02-25 6:55:52 AM  
The local gym I'm a member of has done a fantastic job at sterilization, doing temp checks and trying to keep the amount of people in the building low. But I still don't trust the people going in there. One of the members had posted their heavy squats and when he finished, he exhaled a must that was visible. That solidified for me that I made the right choice not to be in there.

I miss going and look forward to going back, but it isn't worth the risk.
 
2021-02-25 7:04:31 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: Exercising outdoors or virtually could further reduce the risk of the virus being spread.

I'm doing my part

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Yes, as a pedestrian, I always appreciate PROBlems. Plague Rats On Bicycles who appear out of nowhere and blow by 6 inches from you, huffing and puffing and filling the still air with their lung spew.
 
2021-02-25 7:04:49 AM  
And this is why DoSomethingNearby.org is goddamned reckless. "Sure, King County's 7-day average case count, while declining, is still higher than the highest 7-day average experienced during the 'first surge,' but, c'mon, we want you to come out here, stay in our hotels, eat in our restaurants, and shop in our stores! We pinky-swear that most of us have seen a mask in the last 3 days, and some of us even wash our hands!"

I went out on my monthly trip last week. I counted more people without masks than I did with masks. I was in a grocery store for about 20 minutes, to pick up our monthly prescriptions. The store's precautions haven't changed in a year, yet assholes are still walking the wrong way down one-way aisles, without masks, handling everything and farking coughing.

But, sure, keep doing this "death by degrees" bullshiat.
 
2021-02-25 7:06:06 AM  
Want to go to the gym? Here's an idea - *stop going to the gym*.  The faster covid dies down, the faster things go back to normal.  Congregating indoors goes directly against that.
 
2021-02-25 7:10:57 AM  

adamatari: It's almost as if there is a pandemic and it's not over yet.


Especially last summer
 
2021-02-25 7:14:30 AM  

thepresence: Tom Marvolo Bombadil: Exercising outdoors or virtually could further reduce the risk of the virus being spread.

I'm doing my part

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Yes, as a pedestrian, I always appreciate PROBlems. Plague Rats On Bicycles who appear out of nowhere and blow by 6 inches from you, huffing and puffing and filling the still air with their lung spew.


Your risk of exposure from someone who will be within 6 feet of you for literally half a second is virtually zero, regardless of who is or isn't wearing a mask.
 
2021-02-25 7:18:06 AM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: Exercising outdoors or virtually could further reduce the risk of the virus being spread.

I'm doing my part

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Even in a sim, there's a douchebag in the oncoming lane on a curve. Was sure the gif was going to be about him causing a pileup.
 
2021-02-25 7:24:57 AM  
Ahh, and mathematically 2 of those people are expected to pass away due to complications of contracting the coronavirus. (Heaven knows how many might have a severe case of it.)

Somewhere there's a personal injury lawyer salivating at the prospects of suing somebody into the next  universe for a wrongful death suit.
 
2021-02-25 7:27:14 AM  

erik-k: Where the sam hell did they find a gym class that fully 1/4 of them *already had it*?

Jesus.


Keep in mind that the kind of person who thinks its a good idea to go to a gym class right now is exactly the kind of person who doesn't take COVID precautions seriously to begin with.

It's a self-selecting group of COVIDiots.
 
2021-02-25 7:37:52 AM  
Yeah, but the "lifetime membership fee" was a surprisingly good deal!
 
2021-02-25 7:44:14 AM  
Lawsuit?  No one forced them

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2021-02-25 7:56:40 AM  
The thing is, it IS possible to do this safely. Gyms here are operating at 25% capacity with all kinds of cleaning (and obviously mandatory masking) and it hasn't been a problem. My wife's Orange Theory has been bragging on Facebook that they have no (known) cases among staff and patrons since they reopened in March.

Masking and distancing work. Idiots who think the rules don't apply to them are the problem....
 
2021-02-25 7:58:33 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: Ahh, and mathematically 2 of those people are expected to pass away due to complications of contracting the coronavirus. (Heaven knows how many might have a severe case of it.)


Among average gym-goers? Nah. The fatality rates aren't nearly that high unless you include the elderly.

// no, I'm not a COVID denier!
 
2021-02-25 8:14:15 AM  
Twenty-two (40%) of people with COVID-19 attended on or after the day symptoms began, health officials said. Most attendees (76%) wore masks infrequently, including people with (84%) and without (60%) COVID-19, the CDC said.

This is the part that gets me.

dukeblue219: The thing is, it IS possible to do this safely.


No. "Safer," yes. Active measures lower risk. But, no, "safely" isn't yet an option. Folks need to farking figure that part out - the active measures that have been preached to us day in & day out for a farking year now only reduce risk. Your risk may be lower, but you are by no means "safe." Just "safer" than if you or the venue didn't take active measures.

Doctors in full PPP, trained to deal with infectious diseases, are still getting sick.
 
2021-02-25 8:14:36 AM  
*PPE
 
2021-02-25 8:17:17 AM  

aagrajag: Gubbo: Way the hell back in May/June I was of the opinion that a gym, with lots of people breathing heavily, is perhaps the best way to spread an airborne virus.

It's amazing what you can work out with literally no medical training but just a tiny bit of common sense.

/but people needed haircuts
//and to pick up and then put down heavy things

Look on the bright side:

Once COVID has destroyed these people's lung function, every object - including their own f*cking limbs - will feel heavy.


The sad reality, these assholes likely recovered, but not the barista at the coffee shop that they had to sit in and drink their latte yapping unmasked on their phone after class. Or the service person who had to repair something on their home who catches it and brings it back to his/her multigenerational household.

Complete lack of empathy in this country makes me alternate between angry and sad.
 
2021-02-25 8:29:08 AM  
Seems like just as good of a time to vent about a discovery I made yesterday.

There's a gym in a small town out in the sticks kinda-sorta near me that still has "2000" in its name. Got to Googling it to check and see if I was right in thinking that they had multiple locations, turns out that's not the case.

Took me to their Facebook page and wowwww. Seemed like every posting was right-wing political bullshiat. Fun stuff like memes of Joe Biden with devil horns and then going downhill from there. And DAMN to they hate trans people.

Can't find anything on their page to be sure about it because there's no posts about the actual gym, but they probably also DGAF about covid restrictions. Had to click TFA to make sure it wasn't them.
 
2021-02-25 8:31:03 AM  

Gubbo: ....lots of people breathing heavily....
/but people needed haircuts


Huh. Can you describe your haircuts? Slowly?
 
2021-02-25 8:31:35 AM  

Fireproof: Seems like just as good of a time to vent about a discovery I made yesterday.

There's a gym in a small town out in the sticks kinda-sorta near me that still has "2000" in its name. Got to Googling it to check and see if I was right in thinking that they had multiple locations, turns out that's not the case.

Took me to their Facebook page and wowwww. Seemed like every posting was right-wing political bullshiat. Fun stuff like memes of Joe Biden with devil horns and then going downhill from there. And DAMN to they hate trans people.

Can't find anything on their page to be sure about it because there's no posts about the actual gym, but they probably also DGAF about covid restrictions. Had to click TFA to make sure it wasn't them.


Hey!  That's my gym!
 
2021-02-25 8:35:42 AM  
When was this class? How long between exposure and positive results?

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me. If you are into serious fitness, not doing it is almost like withdrawal. And if you are in an enclosed space like a gym high levels of airborne spread are a given.
 
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