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2021-02-24 9:29:42 PM  
I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.
 
2021-02-24 11:35:41 PM  
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2021-02-24 11:40:20 PM  
I've been rewatching both on Netflix, and have been hoping/expecting this.  For months, my Twitter feed has full of kids who are watching them for the first time and geeking out as if they were brand new.

"OMG guys, I'm about to start Book III of Korra, I heard this one was the best LOL.  Check out my Zuko fancam!!!"
 
2021-02-24 11:40:59 PM  
Plus a TTRPG in 2022.

This pleases me greatly.
 
2021-02-24 11:48:36 PM  
Oh boy! Is M. Night Shyamalan back in the director's chair?

/Naruto runs from thread
 
2021-02-25 12:18:27 AM  
Ferngully?
 
2021-02-25 12:25:56 AM  
Ultima?
 
2021-02-25 12:40:31 AM  

NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.


I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.
 
2021-02-25 1:53:48 AM  

Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.


And then make very, very, VERY blatant text in the comics.
 
2021-02-25 6:04:03 AM  

Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.


That, but also the fact that apparently they first told them it was a mini-series, so they wrote the one season. THEN they asked for more, and so on, which is why each season was its own contained block. They didn't get to plan on a grand scale like they did with the first series. (At least that's what I've picked up about it.)
 
2021-02-25 6:20:32 AM  
So no more Dragon prince?
 
2021-02-25 6:29:34 AM  

Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.


I refuse to respect spoiler alerts from sox years ago, but if we're dancing around the subject, I honestly don't think the generational target age had/has any issue with that.

I feel like her vulnerability related to injuries and post-traumatic stress are much more of a challenge for young viewers. Seasons 3-4 are very mature in that capacity.
 
2021-02-25 6:42:39 AM  

NathanAllen: Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.

I refuse to respect spoiler alerts from sox years ago, but if we're dancing around the subject, I honestly don't think the generational target age had/has any issue with that.



They didn't.  In fact, it was embraced.  It was Nickelodeon as a corporation that shied away from it until they realized the impact that it had.

If you want to get poetic about it, Legend of Korra died so that Steven Universe could live.
 
2021-02-25 7:22:07 AM  
I'm still miffed with how Legend of Korra really f*cked with the original characters by either shoving them aside as unimportant. Katara was the most egregious example, she barely made a cameo and looked senile. Then the change in setting, it didn't even feel like they were on the same world. On top of that, overpowered villains and a protagonist written to be as unlikable as possible who gets her ass beaten every other episode.
 
2021-02-25 7:28:57 AM  
Will we finally find out what happened to Price Zuko's mom?
 
2021-02-25 7:59:14 AM  
Star Blazers?

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2021-02-25 8:17:57 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Will we finally find out what happened to Price Zuko's mom?


I'm pretty sure that was in one of the comics
 
2021-02-25 8:22:53 AM  

Snapper Carr: NathanAllen: Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.

I refuse to respect spoiler alerts from sox years ago, but if we're dancing around the subject, I honestly don't think the generational target age had/has any issue with that.


They didn't.  In fact, it was embraced.  It was Nickelodeon as a corporation that shied away from it until they realized the impact that it had.

If you want to get poetic about it, Legend of Korra died so that Steven Universe could live.


It wasn't just the Korra subtextual stuff that got things weird.  The general target age group of the show basically aged up with the show from Avatar, which I don't think Nick counted on.  shiat got pretty violent in spots.  Then there was one season that got leaked early overseas, so Nick suddenly moved the premiere date up with no notice.  And one block I think was streaming only with no explanation.

Basically, if you didn't follow the conversation online about Korra, you had no idea when it was even airing.  It was constantly shuffled around the schedule and no promotion in advance.  I'm surprised the original creators were willing to come back after dealing with that mess.
 
2021-02-25 8:24:43 AM  

noazark: Star Blazers?

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YESSSSSSSS
 
2021-02-25 8:37:24 AM  
I would really, really love to see a future Korra series, especially if Zaheer gets out of prison and becomes a good guy.

And i hope JK Simmons gets to play Tenzin again.  Tenzin is hilarious, yo.
Korra Tells Tenzin Everything
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2021-02-25 9:52:01 AM  
Why.  That series was as close to perfect as it gets.
 
2021-02-25 10:03:49 AM  
Sweet! I'd like to see some adult Gaang shenanigans, especially Sokka and I'd like to learn more about Toph going from anti-authority rebel to police chief. What happens to the Kyoshi warriors, and why didn't we see them in Korra? Are they still around? What's up with the non airbending folks acting like monks? Sooo many questions.

Also, keep M. Knight Shamallamadingdong as far away as farking possible!
 
2021-02-25 10:12:06 AM  
I want a sequel about Azula getting some therapy from Guru Pathik, leaving the mental hospital and getting out there to start dating.

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2021-02-25 10:59:09 AM  

Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.


After watching it recently, there really was no "subtextual elements" until possibly the later half of the last book. Nick moving it around all over the place started in much earlier seasons.
 
2021-02-25 11:12:28 AM  

firesign: Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.

That, but also the fact that apparently they first told them it was a mini-series, so they wrote the one season. THEN they asked for more, and so on, which is why each season was its own contained block. They didn't get to plan on a grand scale like they did with the first series. (At least that's what I've picked up about it.)


That makes me more optimistic about this.

What was wrong with Korra was that there wasn't any real character or thematic development under all the meaningless action, so while in raw setting terms it was the same and the short-arc plots nominally had some depth, the original felt like a big epic journey that was going somewhere while Korra felt like a meandering isekai serial, something not really helped by leaning on the infinitely powerful protagonist and harem tropes.

If it was like that because the studio was genuinely blindsided and desperately writing by the seat of their pants, it's a lot more forgivable and makes the new shiat more likely to be good.
 
2021-02-25 11:18:11 AM  

SuperChuck: Glorious Golden Ass: Will we finally find out what happened to Price Zuko's mom?

I'm pretty sure that was in one of the comics


Will confirm they did cover that in the comics.  I rather enjoyed it.

Still wouldn't mind a fighting game featuring characters from that world.
 
2021-02-25 11:28:29 AM  

Myk-House of El: SuperChuck: Glorious Golden Ass: Will we finally find out what happened to Price Zuko's mom?

I'm pretty sure that was in one of the comics

Will confirm they did cover that in the comics.  I rather enjoyed it.

Still wouldn't mind a fighting game featuring characters from that world.


Well, there was a Korra video game.

And it was horrible.
 
2021-02-25 11:37:55 AM  

NeoCortex42: Well, there was a Korra video game.

And it was horrible.


I have it.  Steam sale and didn't feel a waste of money, but had I paid full price...woof.
 
2021-02-25 1:39:10 PM  

Jim_Callahan: firesign: Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.

That, but also the fact that apparently they first told them it was a mini-series, so they wrote the one season. THEN they asked for more, and so on, which is why each season was its own contained block. They didn't get to plan on a grand scale like they did with the first series. (At least that's what I've picked up about it.)

That makes me more optimistic about this.

What was wrong with Korra was that there wasn't any real character or thematic development under all the meaningless action, so while in raw setting terms it was the same and the short-arc plots nominally had some depth, the original felt like a big epic journey that was going somewhere while Korra felt like a meandering isekai serial, something not really helped by leaning on the infinitely powerful protagonist and harem tropes.

If it was like that because the studio was genuinely blindsided and desperately writing by the seat of their pants, it's a lot more forgivable and makes the new shiat more likely to be good.

Invincible: So no more Dragon prince?

Another factor to consider is that the great trio of Bryan, Mike, and Aaron was broken up. Aaron went on to do the aforementioned The Dragon Prince which I've not seen yet (it's on Netflix and I've managed to resist signing up for that for all this time, but this may be the final temptation that pulls me into streaming services and finally cutting my cable), but which a comment in TFA said was even better than A:TLA, let alone TLoK. I wouldn't think that that was possible, but then again, I never thought that a Western animated series would ever top Disney's Gargoyles (which I at the time called "the Babylon 5 of animation"), yet A:TLA did just that.

From what I can tell given this evidence, I'd say that Bryan and Mike were the worldbuilders, but Aaron was the heart and soul. Without him, the Avatar universe has lost much of its soul.

An alleged interview I found referenced on YouTube with Aaron said that the plan for an A:TLA sequel was to have a redemption arc for Azula that would've been even more involved than the one for Zuko, and frankly, A:TLA was almost as much Zuko's story as it was Aang's. Zuko underwent far more character development than Aang or anyone else in the series. Given some clues in the series, I think I may have some ideas as to where this Azula redemption arc might've gone.

SuperChuck: Glorious Golden Ass: Will we finally find out what happened to Price Zuko's mom?

I'm pretty sure that was in one of the comics

Yes. In the second trilogy, The Search. It's been said that Bryan and Mike were originally planning on telling this story in an animated sequel movie or miniseries.

All of the comics and prose novels (I've read the comics but not the novels yet) are fully canon, as Bryan and Mike are directly involved in them. The A:TLA ones fit in the gap between the end of Book Three: Fire and TLoK.

In order of continuity, the comics are:

The Lost Adventures: Stand-alone anthology containing fun little stories that took place in the gaps between episodes of the main series. Some of them had been published previously, and some are new. Among other things, learn who'd win an Earthbending Rumble between Toph Beifong and King Bumi.

Team Avatar Tales: Second of the anthologies. I've not read this one yet. It includes previously published Free Comics Day comics as well as new stoties set during and after the main series arc.

Katara and the Pirate's Silver (the first stand-alone graphic novel [not a trilogy nor anthology]): Takes place during Book Two: Earth between the events of "Bitter Work" and "The Library." Katara becomes separated from Team Avatar and must avoid capture by pirates and reunite with the Team. (I've not read this one yet either.)

Suki Alone (stand-alone graphic novel): Takes place in the lead-up to the episode "The Boiling Rock." It basically follows Suki from after her capture until that episode. I've not read this one yet.

The Promise (first of the post-main-series trilogies): The first few pages take place immediately after the end of Book Three: Fire with Zuko being crowned as Fire Lord, and he extracts a promise from Aang that Aang is loathe to give. Fast-forward a year (Aang is visibly older, having obviously gone through puberty and is quite tall now, so if this or the subsequent comics were ever done on screen, the original voice actor could still voice them), and things come to a head involving the Fire Nation colonies in Earth Kingdom territory, and it looks like the promise may have to be fulfilled. Because many of the colonies are generations old, it's not as simple as just returning them to the Earth Kingdom and sending the Fire Nation people "home," because those are their homes now. There are now inter-ethnic families between the two whose offspring are of both. Yes, these are the seeds of the United Republic.

The Search (for Zuko's Mom trilogy): Toph takes a leave from Team avatar to focus on starting a metalbuilding school. Her place in the group as they help Zuko learn what happened to his mom is filled by none other than Azula (hey. it's her mother, too!). Don't worry: not all is sweetness and light, and this is not a redemption arc. Azula is still very much Azula. I won't spoil what happens, but it's pretty major.

The Rift (trilogy): Team Avatar is reunited and Aang wants to show them an Air Nomad festival, but the sacred land where it was held now has a refinery on it that has polluted the land, awakening a vengeful spirit. Toph meets someone who may or may not become a love interest.

Toph's Beifong's Metalbuilding Academy (stand-alone graphic novel, and the first taking place after the main series): I've not read this one yet. I do know that it takes place after The Rift and includes Sokka and Suki.

Smoke and Shadow (trilogy): Apparently legendary demons are kidnapping Fire Nation children, including one very dear to Zuko. Does Azula have anything to do with this?

North and South (trilogy): About simultaneously with the above, Katara and Sokka finally return home to the Southern Water Tribe, only to find that things have changed a lot in their absence due to the Northern Water Tribe helping them to modernize. Not all of the results of that are good.

Imbalance: (the most recent trilogy to date that I know of): Aang and Sokka and Katara return to the colony town from The Promise, now becoming a larger, more prosperous city. There's an ongoing struggle between benders and non-benders.

There are also TLoK comics.
 
2021-02-25 3:45:28 PM  

Bslim: I'm still miffed with how Legend of Korra really f*cked with the original characters by either shoving them aside as unimportant. Katara was the most egregious example, she barely made a cameo and looked senile.


Yeah, she was like 90 years old.  Not many people are particularly spry, sharp, and in their prime at that point.  Even the kids of the characters from the original series are sliding past their peaks, in many cases.

Were you upset when McCoy showed up in TNG as an old man?  Was he "shoved aside"?
 
2021-02-25 6:23:45 PM  

COMALite J: Another factor to consider is that the great trio of Bryan, Mike, and Aaron was broken up. Aaron went on to do the aforementioned The Dragon Prince which I've not seen yet (it's on Netflix and I've managed to resist signing up for that for all this time, but this may be the final temptation that pulls me into streaming services and finally cutting my cable), but which a comment in TFA said was even better than A:TLA, let alone TLoK. I wouldn't think that that was possible, but then again, I never thought that a Western animated series would ever top Disney's Gargoyles (which I at the time called "the Babylon 5 of animation"), yet A:TLA did just that.


If you liked Avatar at all, Dragon Prince is definitely worth caving and getting Netflix for. I've loved everything about all 3 seasons so far. The world, characters, and dialogue are every bit as great as A:TLA. Unfortunately Aaron is apparently a complete dick to work with, though, especially if you're a woman. (Which rather astounds me, given his writing...) So there was a lot of turmoil behind the scenes when that came to light after the 3rd season. I did see Netflix renewed it through 7 seasons after all that went over, so we'll see...
 
2021-02-25 6:43:17 PM  

Khellendros: Bslim: I'm still miffed with how Legend of Korra really f*cked with the original characters by either shoving them aside as unimportant. Katara was the most egregious example, she barely made a cameo and looked senile.

Yeah, she was like 90 years old.  Not many people are particularly spry, sharp, and in their prime at that point.  Even the kids of the characters from the original series are sliding past their peaks, in many cases.

Were you upset when McCoy showed up in TNG as an old man?  Was he "shoved aside"?


The TNG comparison is not really applicable but since you went there. McCoy became a full bird admiral and he was shown enjoying the fruits of the Starfleet he helped develop along with the Federation. Katara was presented as some disinterested retiree, not consistent with the "most powerful water bender in history," And isn't she younger than Zuko?  To that I'll just add how they portrayed Ang as having been an absentee dad and all-around douche to his kids.
There was no need to shiat on the original crew like that, none. The only one who caught a break was Zuko.
 
2021-02-25 7:50:35 PM  
l had chili last night for dinner. Today at work l was doing some major airbending!!!
 
2021-02-25 8:07:37 PM  

firesign: COMALite J: Another factor to consider is that the great trio of Bryan, Mike, and Aaron was broken up. Aaron went on to do the aforementioned The Dragon Prince which I've not seen yet (it's on Netflix and I've managed to resist signing up for that for all this time, but this may be the final temptation that pulls me into streaming services and finally cutting my cable), but which a comment in TFA said was even better than A:TLA, let alone TLoK. I wouldn't think that that was possible, but then again, I never thought that a Western animated series would ever top Disney's Gargoyles (which I at the time called "the Babylon 5 of animation"), yet A:TLA did just that.

If you liked Avatar at all, Dragon Prince is definitely worth caving and getting Netflix for. I've loved everything about all 3 seasons so far. The world, characters, and dialogue are every bit as great as A:TLA. Unfortunately Aaron is apparently a complete dick to work with, though, especially if you're a woman. (Which rather astounds me, given his writing...) So there was a lot of turmoil behind the scenes when that came to light after the 3rd season. I did see Netflix renewed it through 7 seasons after all that went over, so we'll see...

Thanks so much for the recommendation. I just may do that.
 
2021-02-25 9:14:36 PM  

Bslim: Khellendros: Bslim: I'm still miffed with how Legend of Korra really f*cked with the original characters by either shoving them aside as unimportant. Katara was the most egregious example, she barely made a cameo and looked senile.

Yeah, she was like 90 years old.  Not many people are particularly spry, sharp, and in their prime at that point.  Even the kids of the characters from the original series are sliding past their peaks, in many cases.

Were you upset when McCoy showed up in TNG as an old man?  Was he "shoved aside"?

The TNG comparison is not really applicable but since you went there. McCoy became a full bird admiral and he was shown enjoying the fruits of the Starfleet he helped develop along with the Federation. Katara was presented as some disinterested retiree, not consistent with the "most powerful water bender in history," And isn't she younger than Zuko?  To that I'll just add how they portrayed Ang as having been an absentee dad and all-around douche to his kids.
There was no need to shiat on the original crew like that, none. The only one who caught a break was Zuko.


I agree that it is a bitter pill to swallow, but just like real people these characters went through a lot of changes as they progressed in and through their adult years.

We saw them as damn near perfect in the end of TLA when they were still children. If anything it expanded on their development making them more realistic as opposed to being caricatures of their younger selves.
 
2021-02-25 9:49:04 PM  

Rennisa: Bslim: Khellendros: Bslim: I'm still miffed with how Legend of Korra really f*cked with the original characters by either shoving them aside as unimportant. Katara was the most egregious example, she barely made a cameo and looked senile.

Yeah, she was like 90 years old.  Not many people are particularly spry, sharp, and in their prime at that point.  Even the kids of the characters from the original series are sliding past their peaks, in many cases.

Were you upset when McCoy showed up in TNG as an old man?  Was he "shoved aside"?

The TNG comparison is not really applicable but since you went there. McCoy became a full bird admiral and he was shown enjoying the fruits of the Starfleet he helped develop along with the Federation. Katara was presented as some disinterested retiree, not consistent with the "most powerful water bender in history," And isn't she younger than Zuko?  To that I'll just add how they portrayed Ang as having been an absentee dad and all-around douche to his kids.
There was no need to shiat on the original crew like that, none. The only one who caught a break was Zuko.

I agree that it is a bitter pill to swallow, but just like real people these characters went through a lot of changes as they progressed in and through their adult years.

We saw them as damn near perfect in the end of TLA when they were still children. If anything it expanded on their development making them more realistic as opposed to being caricatures of their younger selves.


I see your point. But it is a *very* bitter pill.
 
2021-02-26 10:48:47 AM  

Jim_Callahan: firesign: Snapper Carr: NeoCortex42: I could go for a movie about adult Aang's adventures. Plus some series about other (probably earlier) avatars.

Korra was great, aside from Nickelodeon having no idea what to do with it and shuffling it around so much.

I think Nick was uncomfortable with certain subtextual elements in Korra that they would later embrace.

That, but also the fact that apparently they first told them it was a mini-series, so they wrote the one season. THEN they asked for more, and so on, which is why each season was its own contained block. They didn't get to plan on a grand scale like they did with the first series. (At least that's what I've picked up about it.)

That makes me more optimistic about this.

What was wrong with Korra was that there wasn't any real character or thematic development under all the meaningless action, so while in raw setting terms it was the same and the short-arc plots nominally had some depth, the original felt like a big epic journey that was going somewhere while Korra felt like a meandering isekai serial, something not really helped by leaning on the infinitely powerful protagonist and harem tropes.

If it was like that because the studio was genuinely blindsided and desperately writing by the seat of their pants, it's a lot more forgivable and makes the new shiat more likely to be good.


Hmmm, I felt we watched a different show. I felt Korra had wonderful character arcs and development. Plus far more grownup stories to tell, which seemed a natural progression for the series. I felt that the bad guys were far more complex and far more insidious than in Avatar. Although it's hard to beat the plucky adorableness of the main characters in Avatar.
 
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