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2021-02-24 3:38:01 PM  
From what I hear, must also be unable to get Kirk Cousins, a/k/a Kyle Shanahan's biggest wish.
 
2021-02-24 4:05:46 PM  
Made a career out of being the league's leading late hitter.
 
2021-02-24 4:17:31 PM  

Dr.Fey: From what I hear, must also be unable to get Kirk Cousins, a/k/a Kyle Shanahan's biggest wish.


It's not like Cousins is an upgrade over who they have.
 
2021-02-24 5:47:54 PM  

Gubbo: Dr.Fey: From what I hear, must also be unable to get Kirk Cousins, a/k/a Kyle Shanahan's biggest wish.

It's not like Cousins is an upgrade over who they have.


Understood, but our estimations are irrelevant to Kyle's feelings on the matter.

Whatever he saw from Cousins during the 2012 & 2013 (?) seasons they were both in Washington have apparently led for him to pine for the QB, both before Jimmy ("BJ") and during Jimmy.
 
2021-02-24 8:05:14 PM  
In 2019, Garappalo was very very good. He led a lot of late game winning drives and won some big games.

Then, he had a bad 4th quarter in the super bowl. And a weird bad 2020 when he and everyone were constantly hurt.

Suddenly he's a "game manager" who is worse than kirk cousins.

People are crazy.
 
2021-02-24 8:30:26 PM  

Dafatone: In 2019, Garappalo was very very good. He led a lot of late game winning drives and won some big games.

Then, he had a bad 4th quarter in the super bowl. And a weird bad 2020 when he and everyone were constantly hurt.

Suddenly he's a "game manager" who is worse than kirk cousins.

People are crazy.


I'll go with "good" in 2019. Not very very good. He threw too many picks and had the advantage of knowing his defense would probably carry the team. He hasn't yet had the chance to show if he's going to continue to improve, level off or regress.
 
2021-02-24 9:01:08 PM  

SuperChuck: Dafatone: In 2019, Garappalo was very very good. He led a lot of late game winning drives and won some big games.

Then, he had a bad 4th quarter in the super bowl. And a weird bad 2020 when he and everyone were constantly hurt.

Suddenly he's a "game manager" who is worse than kirk cousins.

People are crazy.

I'll go with "good" in 2019. Not very very good. He threw too many picks and had the advantage of knowing his defense would probably carry the team. He hasn't yet had the chance to show if he's going to continue to improve, level off or regress.


The fact is the 49ers are way better when Jimmy G is behind center than without him and while he's not Aaron Rodgers he is still very underrated.   I think Deshaun Watson is better but will the TEAM be better after whatever you would have to give up to get Watson.
 
2021-02-24 9:03:52 PM  

SuperChuck: Dafatone: In 2019, Garappalo was very very good. He led a lot of late game winning drives and won some big games.

Then, he had a bad 4th quarter in the super bowl. And a weird bad 2020 when he and everyone were constantly hurt.

Suddenly he's a "game manager" who is worse than kirk cousins.

People are crazy.

I'll go with "good" in 2019. Not very very good. He threw too many picks and had the advantage of knowing his defense would probably carry the team. He hasn't yet had the chance to show if he's going to continue to improve, level off or regress.


He's 29.  That's not a good age for an athlete who needs to prove himself.  You can draft a 22 year old who needs to prove himself.  Garropolo has demonstrated he can play in the league but probably not beyond the point where a GM might think there are similar options who are younger, where the team has better contract leverage and hope for longer term continuity.
Stay in SF, fight your way back to New England, or that starting career is over.
 
2021-02-24 9:23:05 PM  
They could always hire back Kaepernick ... Ow!

/ Annnnnnnd here come the pretzels!
 
2021-02-24 9:57:27 PM  

Dafatone: In 2019, Garappalo was very very good. He led a lot of late game winning drives and won some big games.

Then, he had a bad 4th quarter in the super bowl. And a weird bad 2020 when he and everyone were constantly hurt.

Suddenly he's a "game manager" who is worse than kirk cousins.

People are crazy.


The way I'd characterize it: He looked good going into that Super Bowl, like he might even be better than Mahomes. Then he failed to deliver in that game. Remember that he had a receiver open for a touchdown and missed on the throw? At that point his status reverted "Needs to prove himself". Then he had an off year. That's why I don't think people are sold on him being a franchise QB. Mahomes lost this last Super Bowl but he did get his team to the SB again, that's the part Garoppolo stumbled on.

I think Houston is in a very awkward position. The one team this offseason that had a lot to spend on a QB and was willing to spend it, the Rams, already has their new QB. So Houston has something worth a hell of a lot to trade but no one able and/or willing to pay the cost. I think the team and player are stuck with each other, like it or not.
 
2021-02-24 10:29:35 PM  

Gubbo: Dr.Fey: From what I hear, must also be unable to get Kirk Cousins, a/k/a Kyle Shanahan's biggest wish.

It's not like Cousins is an upgrade over who they have.


On the other hand, the same was true for the Vikings.
 
2021-02-24 10:29:51 PM  

Incog_Neeto: SuperChuck: Dafatone: In 2019, Garappalo was very very good. He led a lot of late game winning drives and won some big games.

Then, he had a bad 4th quarter in the super bowl. And a weird bad 2020 when he and everyone were constantly hurt.

Suddenly he's a "game manager" who is worse than kirk cousins.

People are crazy.

I'll go with "good" in 2019. Not very very good. He threw too many picks and had the advantage of knowing his defense would probably carry the team. He hasn't yet had the chance to show if he's going to continue to improve, level off or regress.

The fact is the 49ers are way better when Jimmy G is behind center than without him and while he's not Aaron Rodgers he is still very underrated.   I think Deshaun Watson is better but will the TEAM be better after whatever you would have to give up to get Watson.


I've highlighted the problem for you.  In 5 seasons where he got starts, he only lasted beyond 3 games healthy twice:

2016: Lasted a game and a half out of a planned 4 game stint before injuring his shoulder.
2017: Lasted the whopping 5 games at the end of the year after taking over the starting spot.
2018: Almost 3 whole games before tearing his ACL and missing the rest of the season
2019: Amazing, a whole 16 games plus playoffs.  Although he was hampered by a knee injury at least during the postseason.
2020: Sprained ankle in week 2, returned week 5 only to be benched, then played almost 3 more games before being placed on IR for reaggravating his ankle.

He's got talent ... when he's on the field.  But at this point it's fair to say he's more than a little injury-prone.  He has also shown some questionable decision making at times, in my opinion.
 
2021-02-24 11:07:33 PM  

Birnone: The way I'd characterize it: He looked good going into that Super Bowl, like he might even be better than Mahomes. Then he failed to deliver in that game. Remember that he had a receiver open for a touchdown and missed on the throw? At that point his status reverted "Needs to prove himself". Then he had an off year. That's why I don't think people are sold on him being a franchise QB. Mahomes lost this last Super Bowl but he did get his team to the SB again, that's the part Garoppolo stumbled on.


He went from "possibly better than the best QB in the game" to "needs to prove himself" because he overthrew a receiver once? That's insane. That's a thing insane people would say.

K3rberos: I've highlighted the problem for you.  In 5 seasons where he got starts, he only lasted beyond 3 games healthy twice:

2016: Lasted a game and a half out of a planned 4 game stint before injuring his shoulder.
2017: Lasted the whopping 5 games at the end of the year after taking over the starting spot.
2018: Almost 3 whole games before tearing his ACL and missing the rest of the season
2019: Amazing, a whole 16 games plus playoffs.  Although he was hampered by a knee injury at least during the postseason.
2020: Sprained ankle in week 2, returned week 5 only to be benched, then played almost 3 more games before being placed on IR for reaggravating his ankle.

He's got talent ... when he's on the field.  But at this point it's fair to say he's more than a little injury-prone.  He has also shown some questionable decision making at times, in my opinion.


See. That's a normal and valid criticism.
 
2021-02-25 12:06:21 AM  
I don't think that there is a quarterback in the NFL that doesn't show questionable decision making at times.    I agree his injury's are an issue but I just don't think his talent is.
 
2021-02-25 12:56:24 AM  

Birnone: The way I'd characterize it: He looked good going into that Super Bowl, like he might even be better than Mahomes.


No.  Just no.  Mahomes is something special.  A generational talent.  JG was very very good in the period you were talking about, but not "future of the league" good.

Incog_Neeto: The fact is the 49ers are way better when Jimmy G is behind center than without him and while he's not Aaron Rodgers he is still very underrated.


Over the last two season AA Ron has a slightly better record over JG for the same number of games.  I believe it is 26-8 vs 24-9 (over a couple seasons for JG)

I'm not saying he is as good (he's not), but he's on that level W-L wise and Rodgers has had his injury issues as well and the Packers have done MUCH WORSE when he's out.
 
2021-02-25 7:48:28 AM  

mjbok: Birnone: The way I'd characterize it: He looked good going into that Super Bowl, like he might even be better than Mahomes.

No.  Just no.  Mahomes is something special.  A generational talent.  JG was very very good in the period you were talking about, but not "future of the league" good.

Incog_Neeto: The fact is the 49ers are way better when Jimmy G is behind center than without him and while he's not Aaron Rodgers he is still very underrated.

Over the last two season AA Ron has a slightly better record over JG for the same number of games.  I believe it is 26-8 vs 24-9 (over a couple seasons for JG)

I'm not saying he is as good (he's not), but he's on that level W-L wise and Rodgers has had his injury issues as well and the Packers have done MUCH WORSE when he's out.


I'm the biggest Mahomes fan on the site, but Birnone is correct in that they were closer statistically in 2019 than you would think:

https://stathead.com/tiny/VNDcn

Jimmy had a higher completion percentage, one more TD, and nearly as many yards with a better team record, and he played in two and a half more games.

Buuuut, and it's a big but, Mahomes blew him away everywhere else. In 15's worst season while he was dealing with a knee injury for at least four games, he had far fewer turnovers, a much higher ANY/A, more rushing yards, and a higher passing rating. That's against Garappolo's best year, which is a massive outlier against his other six.
 
2021-02-25 8:13:36 AM  
It's silly to compare Garappolo and Mahomes. Mahomes is #1. Garappolo might not be in the top 10. Swap QBs in 2019 and the Chiefs are a .500 team and the 49ers might have gone undefeated.
 
2021-02-25 10:38:07 AM  

Gubbo: Dr.Fey: From what I hear, must also be unable to get Kirk Cousins, a/k/a Kyle Shanahan's biggest wish.

It's not like Cousins is an upgrade over who they have.


Cousins has ability that Garoppolo doesn't...availability
 
2021-02-25 5:15:09 PM  

PluckYew: Gubbo: Dr.Fey: From what I hear, must also be unable to get Kirk Cousins, a/k/a Kyle Shanahan's biggest wish.

It's not like Cousins is an upgrade over who they have.

Cousins has ability that Garoppolo doesn't...availability


You sound like someone justifying who they slept with last night.
 
2021-02-26 2:13:31 AM  

Dafatone: Birnone: The way I'd characterize it: He looked good going into that Super Bowl, like he might even be better than Mahomes. Then he failed to deliver in that game. Remember that he had a receiver open for a touchdown and missed on the throw? At that point his status reverted "Needs to prove himself". Then he had an off year. That's why I don't think people are sold on him being a franchise QB. Mahomes lost this last Super Bowl but he did get his team to the SB again, that's the part Garoppolo stumbled on.

He went from "possibly better than the best QB in the game" to "needs to prove himself" because he overthrew a receiver once? That's insane. That's a thing insane people would say.


You left out a lot of what I wrote. That's how he 'looked' going into the game, meaning he had the potential to prove he was better depending on how he played. I wasn't saying anyone thought he was better going into the game.

I also pointed out that even if he came up short in that game, he could still climb back to elite status. I pointed out that Mahomes took his team to the SB and then brought them back to that game again in the next season. That has gone a long way to establishing him as this generation's greatest. Bottomline is Garoppolo had that one really good season but has not duplicated it, hence needing to prove himself. Mentioning one bad pass was giving an example of how he failed to deliver, it doesn't mean his entire reputation hinges on that one pass. If I'm contending he failed to deliver in that game, shouldn't I give at least one example?
 
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