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(Vice)   McDonald's set up its own vast, secretive spy network to: A) Help local law enforcement police the community; B) Do its part to combat extremism, or; C) track and monitor employees advocating for "Fight for $15"   (vice.com) divider line
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2021-02-24 1:35:05 PM  
Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.
 
2021-02-24 1:55:25 PM  
Capitalism is about worker exploitation. This kind of thing has been going on for over a century. As we lose purchasing power these companies will do this more and more.
 
2021-02-24 2:08:24 PM  
Standard employer behavior.  They'll spend a fortune to avoid mandatory raises, because it's about power, not money.
 
2021-02-24 3:00:11 PM  
Your employer would rather spend $5000 preventing wage increases, than spend $1000 increasing wages.
 
2021-02-24 3:01:34 PM  
D) To find out why the damn ice cream machine is always broken
 
2021-02-24 3:02:21 PM  
Time to die Mr. Capitalist.
 
2021-02-24 3:02:24 PM  

Astorix: Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.


But then how would they be able to flaunt their privilege?
 
2021-02-24 3:02:41 PM  
I'll go with "C" for the whole jackpot, please
 
2021-02-24 3:03:14 PM  

Naido: Standard employer behavior.  They'll spend a fortune to avoid mandatory raises, because it's about power, not money.


And don't forget long-term money.
 
2021-02-24 3:03:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Capitalism is about worker exploitation. This kind of thing has been going on for over a century. As we lose purchasing power these companies will do this more and more.


Feudalism called. It wants several centuries back
 
2021-02-24 3:03:39 PM  
I am NOT loving it.
 
2021-02-24 3:04:08 PM  
Again, the message of 'fear big brother" comes from the private sector and is directed at government.
All the while the real big brother is the private sector.
It's not the government that's so up in your smartphone business, that's all the private sector for profit business you paid.


the ones that make a big show of claiming to look out for your privacy are just that, nothign but a show.
 
2021-02-24 3:04:15 PM  
Hey, those value menu items won't microwave themselves.
 
2021-02-24 3:04:23 PM  
ZOMG, this will have catastrophic effects on the Dollar menu!!!!
 
2021-02-24 3:04:53 PM  
McDonald's has long been a sworn enemy of the worker.
 
2021-02-24 3:05:00 PM  

Astorix: Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.


If people didn't live as wage slaves McDonalds wouldn't have employees or customers
 
2021-02-24 3:06:20 PM  

Naido: Standard employer behavior.  They'll spend a fortune to avoid mandatory raises, because it's about power, not money.


Exactly.  The irony nearly breaks the needle.  That money could go towards raising wages instead.
 
2021-02-24 3:06:25 PM  
The Golden Arches of prosperity are merely the gilded Iron Heel of oligarchic exploitation in a self-surveillance click-bait police state?

I bet those starry-eyed optimists like Kafka and Orwell never saw that one coming. Poseurs.
 
2021-02-24 3:06:34 PM  

PvtStash: Again, the message of 'fear big brother" comes from the private sector and is directed at government.
All the while the real big brother is the private sector.
It's not the government that's so up in your smartphone business, that's all the private sector for profit business you paid.


the ones that make a big show of claiming to look out for your privacy are just that, nothign but a show.


What if the real big brother was the friends we made along the way?
 
2021-02-24 3:06:57 PM  
Vast?
Secretive?
The manager could stand next to the fry machine and hear every conversation going on in the store.  Maybe friend a few employees on Facebook.

Good bye Dollar Menu.  Hello Dollar and a Quarter Menu.
 
2021-02-24 3:07:22 PM  
I remember when I was an undermining force at McDonald's as a 16 year old who had just read, if not actual Marx and Engels, then perhaps snippets of summaries of their work, and used to post flipped over tray liners with bulls*** like "workers at McDonalds unite" on the stairway down to the crew room. Nobody ever called me on it - they just always disappeared...pretty quickly😅
 
2021-02-24 3:11:11 PM  
Oh, so the word "fight" is okay again?
 
2021-02-24 3:12:06 PM  
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2021-02-24 3:12:29 PM  

Astorix: Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.


But it's so much more than that.  McD's has 205k employees.  If SWAG each one would get a $5 raise, and each works 1000 hours a year (this is lowballing), that's just over $1 Billion.  With the big B.  And that's just one year.
 
2021-02-24 3:13:00 PM  
Years ago, way before security cameras were dime a dozen and everybody paid with a credit card, I easily made $20 an hour working at McDonnalds as a 16 year old kid. Being they asked us to clock out and clean for free after closing time, to keep the labor cost down, I didn't exactly feel like we were stealing, just getting a tad even. We had a pretty damn good system in place for moving orders outside of cash register on the drive though. Everyone was in on it.
 
2021-02-24 3:28:50 PM  

Barry McCockner: D) To find out why the damn ice cream machine is always broken


It's not. They just say it is, because it's proprietary design makes it take like an hour to clean, and it needs to be cleaned twice a day, so most stores say it's broken so they never have to clean it.
 
2021-02-24 3:29:14 PM  
I'm not a big fan of fast food, so I don't go very often - especially McDonald's. The other day, we were out and busy. By 8 pm we figured it was that or nothing. I got two adult meals and a happy meal. Total was $24. When the Fark did that happen? Last time I can remember going, a $10 would have bought two adult meals. I'm old, I guess.
 
2021-02-24 3:29:59 PM  

PvtStash: Again, the message of 'fear big brother" comes from the private sector and is directed at government.
All the while the real big brother is the private sector.
It's not the government that's so up in your smartphone business, that's all the private sector for profit business you paid.


the ones that make a big show of claiming to look out for your privacy are just that, nothign but a show.


Its like doing business with someone who advertises their Christianity as a tenet of their business.

100% chance they will screw you.
 
2021-02-24 3:31:19 PM  

Astorix: Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.


McDonalds the corporation doesn't really have anything to do with McDonalds the stores employee wages.

Honestly it seems silly to fight like this when they won't be the ones paying the wages.
 
2021-02-24 3:36:00 PM  

Barry McCockner: D) To find out why the damn ice cream machine is always broken


Because it's an over engineered piece of shiat with more valves and washers than a 5 gallon quick freeze system has any business possessing.

Watch them if you ever catch a glimpse of it being taken apart for cleaning and you'll see an absurd amount of small parts.
 
2021-02-24 3:40:06 PM  

ShavedOrangutan: Astorix: Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.

But it's so much more than that.  McD's has 205k employees.  If SWAG each one would get a $5 raise, and each works 1000 hours a year (this is lowballing), that's just over $1 Billion.  With the big B.  And that's just one year.


Number of McDonald's employees worldwide 2012-2019
Published by S. Lock, Feb 4, 2021
Household name McDonald's accounted for around 205 thousand employees in 2019. This number has fallen by 85 thousand since the previous year and has more than halved in the past five years.

since we're talking worldwide, they had $21.08B worth of revenue in 2019.

i bet they could find that extra B somewhere.. or charge a marginal amount more on their food items to pay workers more of a wage to subsist upon.
 
2021-02-24 3:49:03 PM  

kosherkow: ShavedOrangutan: Astorix: Instead of spending all that money on spy equipment. Here's a thought you greedy asshole? Why not just give your employees a raise?

It's like the 1 percent spending billions of dollars on lobbying to cut their tax burden than simply paying the taxes, which would have been cheaper in the long run.

But it's so much more than that.  McD's has 205k employees.  If SWAG each one would get a $5 raise, and each works 1000 hours a year (this is lowballing), that's just over $1 Billion.  With the big B.  And that's just one year.

Number of McDonald's employees worldwide 2012-2019
Published by S. Lock, Feb 4, 2021
Household name McDonald's accounted for around 205 thousand employees in 2019. This number has fallen by 85 thousand since the previous year and has more than halved in the past five years.

since we're talking worldwide, they had $21.08B worth of revenue in 2019.

i bet they could find that extra B somewhere.. or charge a marginal amount more on their food items to pay workers more of a wage to subsist upon.


My point is more "they have a huge financial incentive to fight against this tooth and nail" than even 50% accuracy.  If they spend $50 million to win where a loss would cost $100 million a year (every year), it's worth it.  To them I mean, not society as a whole.
 
2021-02-24 3:49:13 PM  

kosherkow: since we're talking worldwide, they had $21.08B worth of revenue in 2019.

i bet they could find that extra B somewhere

Come on, have a heart. That would only leave them with $4.92 billion in profits. You can't honestly expect them to scrape by on such a pittance.
 
2021-02-24 3:49:18 PM  
Paying for access to the Twitter firehose isn't really a vast spy network.
 
2021-02-24 3:53:14 PM  

ryebread: kosherkow: since we're talking worldwide, they had $21.08B worth of revenue in 2019.

i bet they could find that extra B somewhere
Come on, have a heart. That would only leave them with $4.92 billion in profits. You can't honestly expect them to scrape by on such a pittance.


It's not about the math of one concession to their workers.  One major victory for workers, in the eyes of the bosses, could open the floodgates to more equitable treatment and blow up the whole scam.
 
2021-02-24 3:55:15 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Nadie_AZ: Capitalism is about worker exploitation. This kind of thing has been going on for over a century. As we lose purchasing power these companies will do this more and more.

Feudalism called. It wants several centuries back


Feudalism was about control of the land and binding the peasants to it.  Peasants were literally slaves and had no right of person (they were not allowed to leave their Lord's lands at all, in many cases).  The feudal lords were ill-suited to the rise of capitalism, because over time their land holdings became worth less and less compares to the sheer output of industrialized factories.

Capitalism is about control of the means of production.  Since the factory, the warehouse, and the server farm are now worth more than the physical farm, it's not as much about land ownership as it is about property ownership.  There is still slavery, but it's usually given somewhat softer names like "sweatshop labor."  The entire life becomes a product, and time and body are just resources to sell for wages.

Both are class struggles (peasant vs aristocrat, proletariat vs bourgeoisie), but capitalism's massive impact means that its harms cross national boundaries are are truly international.  It's a new era of suffering where the decisions of a billionaire in America decide which nations in Latin America get couped, and which African nations get to drink water.

fark Feudalism and fark Capitalism.
 
2021-02-24 3:59:07 PM  
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/If only minimum wage workers would buy necessities like food with the 'extra' money they'd make when the minimum wage goes up
//Oh, wait.
 
2021-02-24 4:22:25 PM  
On the one hand, it would be nice to see workers at McDonald's get a living wage.  On the other hand, every worker at McDonald's is serving up that stuff that McDonald's would have us believe that we should be putting into ourselves.  So I'm torn.
 
2021-02-24 4:29:37 PM  

tirob: On the one hand, it would be nice to see workers at McDonald's get a living wage.  On the other hand, every worker at McDonald's is serving up that stuff that McDonald's would have us believe that we should be putting into ourselves.  So I'm torn.


If McDonald's workers form a union the workers can more effectively organize against profit-at-all-cost measures like antibiotics in beef, ammonia baths, and pink slime.

if they don't form a union, it's "do what the bosses say or we get fired and replaced."
 
2021-02-24 4:32:56 PM  
Just replace the workers with robots and we can all move on to better things.
 
2021-02-24 4:49:44 PM  
If McDonald's paid $15/hour would they manage to get my order right and my French fries hot?
 
2021-02-24 4:51:26 PM  
McDonald's has ~200,000 people working for its franchisees, mostly in America.  Increase their pay $5, and that's collectively $1,000,000 more per hour.

So even if they spent $20,000,000 on employee espionage, they'd be better off after a week thwarting organization than paying higher wages.
 
2021-02-24 5:01:28 PM  
I call BS on this.. My son 18 In last year of School left 5 Guys to work at Mcdonald's because they offered him 13 to start with $1 raise after 30 days ( also offered to some of his friends that have no work EXP).. I know We are in PA near Philly so a little more money then some parts of the country but cant see them really using monitoring at stores for this reasoning.
 
2021-02-24 5:30:12 PM  

Hey Nurse!: I'm not a big fan of fast food, so I don't go very often - especially McDonald's. The other day, we were out and busy. By 8 pm we figured it was that or nothing. I got two adult meals and a happy meal. Total was $24. When the Fark did that happen? Last time I can remember going, a $10 would have bought two adult meals. I'm old, I guess.


$8 - $10 is about right for an adult meal at a low to mid-range fast food place.  For your mental health don't drop in at a higher-end place.
 
2021-02-24 5:56:41 PM  

TerraGoetia: tirob: On the one hand, it would be nice to see workers at McDonald's get a living wage.  On the other hand, every worker at McDonald's is serving up that stuff that McDonald's would have us believe that we should be putting into ourselves.  So I'm torn.

If McDonald's workers form a union the workers can more effectively organize against profit-at-all-cost measures like antibiotics in beef, ammonia baths, and pink slime.



The question is whether they *will,* though.
 
2021-02-24 7:46:56 PM  

Mushroom_Hunter: I call BS on this.. My son 18 In last year of School left 5 Guys to work at Mcdonald's because they offered him 13 to start with $1 raise after 30 days ( also offered to some of his friends that have no work EXP).. I know We are in PA near Philly so a little more money then some parts of the country but cant see them really using monitoring at stores for this reasoning.


I wonder how many years he would keep that wage if he continued to work there.
 
2021-02-24 7:50:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Capitalism is about worker exploitation. This kind of thing has been going on for over a century. As we lose purchasing power these companies will do this more and more.


I used to have a lot of fun when I was a teenager working at Burger King writing anticapitalist screeds on the bathroom wall.  "EAT THE RICH" "SUBVERT THE SYSTEM" etc. Good times.  Especially the one time a manager sent me in there saying "some wrote some stupid communist stuff on the wall."  Even better times.
 
2021-02-24 9:12:25 PM  

tigerbot hesh: ryebread: kosherkow: since we're talking worldwide, they had $21.08B worth of revenue in 2019.

i bet they could find that extra B somewhere
Come on, have a heart. That would only leave them with $4.92 billion in profits. You can't honestly expect them to scrape by on such a pittance.

It's not about the math of one concession to their workers.  One major victory for workers, in the eyes of the bosses, could open the floodgates to more equitable treatment and blow up the whole scam.


If people had the time to cook, and were not continually put into a position of desperate for income at the same time, how much would people bother with the likes of McDonald's?

/it's within their continued interest to keep people malinformed, crunched for time, and underpaid.
 
2021-02-24 10:53:53 PM  

Mushroom_Hunter: I call BS on this.. My son 18 In last year of School left 5 Guys to work at Mcdonald's because they offered him 13 to start with $1 raise after 30 days ( also offered to some of his friends that have no work EXP).. I know We are in PA near Philly so a little more money then some parts of the country but cant see them really using monitoring at stores for this reasoning.


Your anecdote does not equal data.

As the coronavirus outbreak spreads, fast-food giants like McDonald's, Burger King, and Dunkin' are under pressure to give workers paid sick leave, raise wages, and provide other benefits.
However, some critics may not realize that fast-food franchises' business structure means that if all employees are to get equal treatment, thousands of smaller franchisees must independently agree to support workers.
 
2021-02-24 10:56:03 PM  

Mushroom_Hunter: I call BS on this.. My son 18 In last year of School left 5 Guys to work at Mcdonald's because they offered him 13 to start with $1 raise after 30 days ( also offered to some of his friends that have no work EXP).. I know We are in PA near Philly so a little more money then some parts of the country but cant see them really using monitoring at stores for this reasoning.


The reason why more than half a million McDonald's workers did not have paid sick leave is because roughly 95% of the fast-food giant's locations are owned and operated by independent franchisees. Franchisees act as independent business owners on issues related to workers' benefits, hiring, firing, and pay.
 
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