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2021-02-24 1:11:00 PM  
Well being evil and incompetent is easy just repeat whatever you hear on Fox News.
 
2021-02-24 9:33:47 PM  
Oh, I'm getting the LARGE bucket of popcorn ready for this thread.

/Ooh, maybe I should go check if the KHive has begun issuing death threats to Newsweek, Sanders, and pretty much anyone besides themselves
 
2021-02-24 9:35:00 PM  
FTFA:
Net favorability for McConnell was negative 48 points, with 65 percent viewing the Republican leader unfavorably and only 17 percent taking a favorable view.

Good luck not being primaried by Trumps party.
 
2021-02-24 9:37:30 PM  
Pass the rescue package, that is very popular, and I suspect everyone's popularity will rise.  The rising tide lifting all boats (that don't have self drilled holes in the bottom of them) can work here too.
 
2021-02-24 9:38:11 PM  
And if poll numbers translated to votes, this thread wouldn't be a threat to the global popcorn supply.
 
2021-02-24 9:38:33 PM  
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2021-02-24 9:39:44 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
Net favorability for McConnell was negative 48 points, with 65 percent viewing the Republican leader unfavorably and only 17 percent taking a favorable view.

Good luck not being primaried by Trumps party.


If he wants to stay he'll stay.

Be white, put in a chew, put on a trucker hat..

and then go ask any Kentucky Republican if they had to quit Q or the Klan, which they'd pick.
 
2021-02-24 9:39:45 PM  
Nice job Newsweak.  Biden's favorability is higher than Trump's EVER was, but the headline is that it's less than some guy who will never be president.
 
2021-02-24 9:40:07 PM  

aleister_greynight: Pass the rescue package, that is very popular, and I suspect everyone's popularity will rise.  The rising tide lifting all boats (that don't have self drilled holes in the bottom of them) can work here too.


The Dem Covid relief bill is more popular than Biden, Harris, or Sanders.
 
2021-02-24 9:40:49 PM  
If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.
 
2021-02-24 9:40:59 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image image 850x752]


Yes, that is very unusual.
 
2021-02-24 9:41:22 PM  
Usul, we have Brosign the likes of which even God has never seen.
 
2021-02-24 9:41:25 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image 850x752]


I miss Jon Stewart, the guy who replaced him sucks.
 
2021-02-24 9:43:51 PM  

Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.


I mean, whether or not it's deserved, putting the GOP in charge of Congress, particularly after one coup attempt that has gone unpunished for their leadership, is a dumbass way to enact positive change if you're a progressive.
 
2021-02-24 9:43:59 PM  

Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.


Username checks out?
 
2021-02-24 9:45:07 PM  
He's not even a Democrat!
 
2021-02-24 9:50:25 PM  
Meh, just have propaganda networks to tell people that good policies are bad and bad policies are good.
 
2021-02-24 9:52:05 PM  

Fart_Machine: He's not even a Democrat!


That's a big plus for me.
 
2021-02-24 9:53:05 PM  

IAmRight: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

I mean, whether or not it's deserved, putting the GOP in charge of Congress, particularly after one coup attempt that has gone unpunished for their leadership, is a dumbass way to enact positive change if you're a progressive.


MontanaDave: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Username checks out?


It's something AOC's warned about.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/​1​0/becoming-aoc-cover-story-2020
 
2021-02-24 9:54:50 PM  
But does it hurt the right people?
 
2021-02-24 9:59:12 PM  

IAmRight: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

I mean, whether or not it's deserved, putting the GOP in charge of Congress, particularly after one coup attempt that has gone unpunished for their leadership, is a dumbass way to enact positive change if you're a progressive.


While that is true on a rational level, justifying political action by asking "what are they going to do, *not* vote for us?" has historically not worked out well.
 
2021-02-24 10:04:45 PM  
Doesn't matter  laws only ever get passed if they're popular with rich people.
 
2021-02-24 10:06:34 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: IAmRight: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

I mean, whether or not it's deserved, putting the GOP in charge of Congress, particularly after one coup attempt that has gone unpunished for their leadership, is a dumbass way to enact positive change if you're a progressive.

MontanaDave: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Username checks out?

It's something AOC's warned about.

[Fark user image image 750x998]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/1​0/becoming-aoc-cover-story-2020


LOL Sandy from Westchester wants a revolution.  If it comes, she'll be cowering in her office after checking her bank account to make sure that $174k is still there.
 
2021-02-24 10:09:38 PM  

Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.


Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.
 
2021-02-24 10:17:43 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
Net favorability for McConnell was negative 48 points, with 65 percent viewing the Republican leader unfavorably and only 17 percent taking a favorable view.

Good luck not being primaried by Trumps party.

If he wants to stay he'll stay.

Be white, put in a chew, put on a trucker hat..

and then go ask any Kentucky Republican if they had to quit Q or the Klan, which they'd pick.


Play his comments post Trump acquittal and suddenly they look around for one of their kind.
 
2021-02-24 10:22:02 PM  
He's doing a lot of good in the senate. GOOD.

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2021-02-24 10:27:21 PM  
I like Bernie. I voted for Biden, but I do like Bernie.
 
2021-02-24 10:31:44 PM  

Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.


Let's not forget Biden was sucking hind tit in the primaries until the DNC made a deal with everyone except Bernie and Warren to drop out. Let's not whitewash the behind-the-scenes political machinations.
 
2021-02-24 10:32:26 PM  

Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.


As we saw on the Capitol steps, winning an election almost won't work anymore.  After that, anyone who votes GOP is an idiot, and deservedly deserves to be called one.
 
2021-02-24 10:36:20 PM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Let's not forget Biden was sucking hind tit in the primaries until the DNC made a deal with everyone except Bernie and Warren to drop out. Let's not whitewash the behind-the-scenes political machinations.


Or think that was the end of them with this Administration.
 
2021-02-24 10:42:19 PM  

Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.


Funny enough, I think his agenda is more popular than he is. He's riding high right now mostly because, unlike President Biden, he doesn't have a steady stream of lies being directed at him from FOX and the various other right-wing agitprop outlets.

Plus, to be very clear, Senator Sanders is acting a lot more professionally since the days where he'd take random potshots at allies for no good reason. He seems to be working mostly behind the scenes to get his agenda enacted, and surprise surprise, it's working. I particularly am impressed with the work he's been doing trying to fit the minimum wage as a "Federal Budget Impacting" item, with the Senate Parliamentarian. It's the diametric opposite of grandstanding; it will actually help people's lives tremendously.

But Sanders still has one major problem with him: his Rose twitter fanclub. People who think that the best way to get their agenda enacted is to drive Democrats out of office and put Republicans in. Mind you, these people are a strikingly small percentage of even Sanders supporters, but they compensate in sheer obnoxiousness and useful idiocy for FOX (in handing them slogans and visuals with which to scare moderates). I doubt Sanders will ever truly distance himself from them, but with luck, the only place you'll end up seeing them is on social media, everyone else ignoring their lies.
 
2021-02-24 10:51:42 PM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Let's not forget Biden was sucking hind tit in the primaries until the DNC made a deal with everyone except Bernie and Warren to drop out. Let's not whitewash the behind-the-scenes political machinations.


That's a pretty bold retelling of what happened. Biden trouncing Bernie in South Carolina was what turned the tide, and it was only the fourth primary, too.  Bernie was in the lead for all of a couple of weeks after winning a couple of small states.  The DNC didn't matter.  Other candidates dropping out could have benefitted Bernie if voters preferred him over Biden, but they didn't.
 
2021-02-24 11:05:06 PM  

max_rebo_groupie: I like Bernie. I voted for Biden, but I do like Bernie.


and all of that is ok, despite what anyone else tells you.
 
2021-02-24 11:07:46 PM  

Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.


Bernie losing the 2016 primaries affected his electability in 2020, but Biden losing both the 1988 and 2008 primaries didn't affect his electability in 2020?

It's almost as though "electability" is a weasel word.
 
2021-02-24 11:11:13 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Bernie losing the 2016 primaries affected his electability in 2020, but Biden losing both the 1988 and 2008 primaries didn't affect his electability in 2020?

It's almost as though "electability" is a weasel word.


It's not about electability.  It's about how much this agenda resonates with voters.
 
2021-02-24 11:12:59 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
Net favorability for McConnell was negative 48 points, with 65 percent viewing the Republican leader unfavorably and only 17 percent taking a favorable view.

Good luck not being primaried by Trumps party.


Sure, most of us hate Mitch. But realistically, it doesn't matter. The general popularity of a Senator or Congressperson is foundationally irrelevant. All that matters is their popularity within their district. Obviously that means their State for a Senator, and their Congressional district for a Representative in the House. This is trivially obvious yet somehow unappreciated.

I hate Mitch but it doesn't matter.
 
2021-02-25 12:03:01 AM  
Too bad Bernie decided to surround himself with assholes.  If he were better at hiring, he might actually be President now.
 
2021-02-25 12:42:22 AM  

Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.


Those were rigged, it turns out the Democratic Party isn't actually democratic.
 
2021-02-25 12:55:08 AM  

Unknown Subject: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Those were rigged, it turns out the Democratic Party isn't actually democratic.


Citation needed or STFU.
 
2021-02-25 1:14:31 AM  

monsatano: Unknown Subject: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Those were rigged, it turns out the Democratic Party isn't actually democratic.

Citation needed or STFU.


The one thing you can always tell about the FARK kook-left Naderites is: 1) They never provide evidence, and 2) Despite having no credibility, they never STFU. Ever.

They will flag facts they don't like as funny though!

So these days I entertain myself insulting the assholes, and making them upvoting whatever I write as "funny". So at least I get to see them essentially going "Wow, this post is pointing out that I'm an asshole! I'm laughing so hard!.  Ha!  Oh.  Ha ha. Hoh. Ha ha HA ha ha. See? I'm laughing!!"

It's nowhere near adequate payback for these assholes doing their damndest to give us Bush and Trump, but at least it's something.
 
2021-02-25 1:28:34 AM  

Troy McClure: Bith Set Me Up: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Bernie losing the 2016 primaries affected his electability in 2020, but Biden losing both the 1988 and 2008 primaries didn't affect his electability in 2020?

It's almost as though "electability" is a weasel word.

It's not about electability.  It's about how much this agenda resonates with voters.


Biden won by the skin of his teeth is quite a few states.
 
2021-02-25 1:29:22 AM  

Cokezeroinacan: Too bad Bernie decided to surround himself with assholes.  If he were better at hiring, he might actually be President now.


We tried to tell him not to run as a Democrat but he didn't listen.
 
2021-02-25 1:41:53 AM  

max_rebo_groupie: I like Bernie. I voted for Biden, but I do like Bernie.


I like Bernie right where he is.

He's just not enough of a team player, to use that tired cliche, to be a good president; but he is unparalleled at presenting awesome ideas and keeping them on the table till everyone agrees.

You can't beat an ideologue in the debate chamber.
 
2021-02-25 2:00:39 AM  

misanthropicsob: Troy McClure: Bith Set Me Up: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Bernie losing the 2016 primaries affected his electability in 2020, but Biden losing both the 1988 and 2008 primaries didn't affect his electability in 2020?

It's almost as though "electability" is a weasel word.

It's not about electability.  It's about how much this agenda resonates with voters.

Biden won by the skin of his teeth is quite a few states.


But he got more votes than any other candidate, ever. Which means a lot, considering that it's been decades since Americans, in general, voted. And considering that voter turnout spent decades in decline.
 
2021-02-25 2:10:42 AM  

Gyrfalcon: max_rebo_groupie: I like Bernie. I voted for Biden, but I do like Bernie.

I like Bernie right where he is.

He's just not enough of a team player, to use that tired cliche, to be a good president; but he is unparalleled at presenting awesome ideas and keeping them on the table till everyone agrees.

You can't beat an ideologue in the debate chamber.


This. Bernie's biggest problem is the fact that the Democratic party is effectively at least two parties; a progressive party and an older-school conservative party (ie 'we're OK with progressing as a society, but slowly and cautiously so as not to cause too much of a fuss', as opposed to the modern 'conservatism' that is 'we should regress to the late 19th/early 20th centuries).

For someone with Bernie's policies to take the Democratic nomination, they'd likely have to be younger and more charismatic, enough to get more 'neutral' Democrats on board so they can outweigh the conservative wing. Think Bernie in terms of policy, Obama in terms of campaigning. When she's old enough (and if she's interested), I'd say AOC has a good chance at hitting that balance, but more candidates like that would be great, in the name of not putting all our eggs in one basket.
 
2021-02-25 3:05:59 AM  

Unknown Subject: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Those were rigged, it turns out the Democratic Party isn't actually democratic.


What part of "the person who received the most primary votes won the primary" means "rigged" to you?
 
2021-02-25 3:07:54 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: Bith Set Me Up: IAmRight: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

I mean, whether or not it's deserved, putting the GOP in charge of Congress, particularly after one coup attempt that has gone unpunished for their leadership, is a dumbass way to enact positive change if you're a progressive.

MontanaDave: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Username checks out?

It's something AOC's warned about.

[Fark user image image 750x998]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/1​0/becoming-aoc-cover-story-2020

LOL Sandy from Westchester wants a revolution.  If it comes, she'll be cowering in her office after checking her bank account to make sure that $174k is still there.


This week on, How You Know if Someone has a Tiny Penis...
 
2021-02-25 7:32:43 AM  

Troy McClure: Bith Set Me Up: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Bernie losing the 2016 primaries affected his electability in 2020, but Biden losing both the 1988 and 2008 primaries didn't affect his electability in 2020?

It's almost as though "electability" is a weasel word.

It's not about electability.  It's about how much this agenda resonates with voters.


That, and if your buddy the ex-president can offer favors and cabinet positions in exchange for dropping out Super Tuesday eve.
 
2021-02-25 8:41:00 AM  

Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.


It works enough to keep the campaign cash rolling in.  They won't care.  At least, if they do, I'll be surprised.

Biden's moves - in order to NOT be a complete waste of skin and votes - during the first 100 to 365 days are fairly logical if you think about it.  Kudos to him for meeting the bare minimum expectations of "actually attempting to clean up the mess" with all the power he and the Democrats can muster at present.  So far.

Long term?  If the Democrats were serious about Bernie's agenda, they wouldn't have sabotaged his campaign and blatantly cheated him of the nomination, twice.  At this point, all we can do is wait and see if the other shoe drops or not.

The Dems have a basic choice.  Leave things the way they are for the most part and hope to ride on "Not Trump" and "We Ended the Pandemic" - which won't work - or actually attempt a real Progressive agenda and become an actual opposition to the Republican's fascist platform.

Oh, and in addition to all that, they need to fix early and mail-in voting so the R's can't destroy it.

You see why I'm not too enthusiastic?  That's a significant number of major moves that are not only potentially difficult to pull off, but complete departures from Democrats' overall agenda for the last 20+ years.  I'll be very happy if it happens, but boy does it seem unlikely.
 
2021-02-25 10:07:49 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: misanthropicsob: Troy McClure: Bith Set Me Up: Troy McClure: Unknown Subject: If Biden doesn't implement enough of Bernie's agenda 2022 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats, and deservedly so.  Simply being "not Trump" won't work anymore.

Bernie's agenda wasn't even popular enough to win over one party two primaries in a row.

Bernie losing the 2016 primaries affected his electability in 2020, but Biden losing both the 1988 and 2008 primaries didn't affect his electability in 2020?

It's almost as though "electability" is a weasel word.

It's not about electability.  It's about how much this agenda resonates with voters.

Biden won by the skin of his teeth is quite a few states.

But he got more votes than any other candidate, ever. Which means a lot, considering that it's been decades since Americans, in general, voted. And considering that voter turnout spent decades in decline.


And Trump got the second most votes of any candidate ever. What's your point?
 
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