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(Some Guy)   Amazon is offering $2,000 "get out and don't unionize" bonuses   (paydayreport.com) divider line
    More: Facepalm, Employment, Trade union, historic union election, Termination of employment, Election, "resignation bonuses, labor observers, Resignation  
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723 clicks; posted to Business » on 23 Feb 2021 at 10:50 AM (5 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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5 days ago  
DENTAL PLAN Lisa needs braces DENTAL PLAN!
 
5 days ago  
I worked for a smaller major airline that came about thanks to deregulation. They were waving employee stock awards around as the bribe to keep unions out, noting the pilots wouldn't get any stock because they had a union contract and it wasn't allowed. The stock awards would be based on profitability. The gambit worked and the unions didn't get a foothold in other areas.

They never awarded any stock.
 
5 days ago  
We need a resurgence of unions. We have the worst workers rights among the industrialized nations and it time to do something about it other than let the rich get richer.
 
5 days ago  

oldernell: We need a resurgence of unions. We have the worst workers rights among the industrialized nations and it time to do something about it other than let the rich get richer.


Sadly, I agree -- I say "sadly" because I've seen lots of employers provide solid wages and benefits without the need for unions (eg, Alabama's auto industry), but those seem to be more the exception than the rule. Meanwhile, just 20 miles down the road from the Mercedes factory, you have the Amazon center in this article.

Let's just say Amazon's reputation preceded their arrival here.
 
5 days ago  
Give me $2000 and i promise to not join an amazon union.  even though I don't work for amazon.
 
5 days ago  

oldernell: We need a resurgence of unions. We have the worst workers rights among the industrialized nations and it time to do something about it other than let the rich get richer.


So very very much THIS

Professional office type workers need a union as well. The amount of people who work free overtime, or who can only claim overtime after the first 90 minutes of overtime or whatever.

The expectation that you'll just work late is disgusting

/and god help you if you work 4 hours for free and come in 30 minutes late in the morning
//that shiat goes on your record to punish you at bonus time
///if you even get a bonus
 
5 days ago  
Amazon has even gotten the local authorities to shorten the time of stoplights outside of the plant so that union organizers can't hand out pro-union literature to workers passing in their cars.

Name and shame the local authorities that actually agreed to do that.  This is a separate issue from the Amazon union stuff.  City officials shouldn't be doing "favors" of this sort.
 
5 days ago  
If you don't want a union, seems like it might be less costly to just not treat workers like disposable cogs?
 
5 days ago  

edmo: I worked for a smaller major airline that came about thanks to deregulation. They were waving employee stock awards around as the bribe to keep unions out, noting the pilots wouldn't get any stock because they had a union contract and it wasn't allowed. The stock awards would be based on profitability. The gambit worked and the unions didn't get a foothold in other areas.

They never awarded any stock.


*Surprised Pikachu face*
 
5 days ago  

the_rhino: edmo: I worked for a smaller major airline that came about thanks to deregulation. They were waving employee stock awards around as the bribe to keep unions out, noting the pilots wouldn't get any stock because they had a union contract and it wasn't allowed. The stock awards would be based on profitability. The gambit worked and the unions didn't get a foothold in other areas.

They never awarded any stock.

*Surprised Pikachu face*


If you ever want your corporate office to turn into a propaganda machine, leave Union paperwork on the copy machine.
 
5 days ago  

akya: the_rhino: edmo: I worked for a smaller major airline that came about thanks to deregulation. They were waving employee stock awards around as the bribe to keep unions out, noting the pilots wouldn't get any stock because they had a union contract and it wasn't allowed. The stock awards would be based on profitability. The gambit worked and the unions didn't get a foothold in other areas.

They never awarded any stock.

*Surprised Pikachu face*

If you ever want your corporate office to turn into a propaganda machine, leave Union paperwork on the copy machine.


Fortunately, my workplace is already unionized (sort of, it's complicated but those workers who are eligible to be in one are in one), and upper mgmt seems to work with them just fine.  I've been there for 5 years and work directly with C team and union leaders and there doesn't seems to be any hostilities between the two.  For the record, I fully support unions (except for cops).
 
5 days ago  
A $2000 resignation bonus, so that's like what they would make working at amazon for a year, hmm, decisions, decisions.
 
5 days ago  
Clarification: Amazon periodically gives out "resignation bonuses" when trying to reduce their workforce following a peak season, but had never given out such bonuses in Alabama prior to the union election; leading many to view the bonuses as suspicious.

Not that I don't believe that Amazon is pushing hard to try to block the union, but maybe this should be part of the article rather than in the fine print at the bottom. It kind of makes the whole article seem a lot more like a biased hit-piece than factual reporting. Which, I realize, is all we get anymore. There's no real journalism left, just opinion pieces and political commentary disguised as news.
 
5 days ago  
I hope this is getting some people to try and not buy from Amazon.  I know they act as a warehouse for a lot of smaller business, but put some financial pressure on them for being shiaty.  They could have afforded to create an environment where people didn't pass-out and die from heat exhaustion, or where Health and Safety are taken seriously, rather than feared; but they didn't and it highlights the need for unionized employment, especially among "innovators."
 
5 days ago  
Jesus christ, get your sources straight.

This has been an existing program and isn't about the union stuff (although they did bump the benefit recently for those looking to exit amazon and enter into their delivery program).

The actual program is each year amazon offers you some cash if you want to leave. The intent is to keep people thinking about what they want to do next, so they aren't spending their life on a loading dock.
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  
Seems to me if you take a job you won't do you won't get promoted, but may get $2000
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Professional office type workers need a union as well. The amount of people who work free overtime, or who can only claim overtime after the first 90 minutes of overtime or whatever.


Having to WFH because of the pandemic has only added this. My company and/or direct bosses haven't been overtly pushy about putting in long hours "if necessary" but a mixture of passive comments fueling guilt trips combined with *waves arms to gesture at everything in the world* have many of my coworkers easily working 50+ hour weeks M-F and then some extra on weekends.

Once things to start to open back up again, it'll be interesting how the diaspora of temporary WFH'ers react, particularly for those who work for companies that are already signaling their plans to offer some kind of flex-WFH or even more in perpetuity.
 
5 days ago  

Hatmo: Seems to me if you take a job you won't do you won't get promoted, but may get $2000


Zappos used to do something similar.

Once you went through their training and induction program, they offered you 2 or 3 grand to quit.

They figure if you're gonna be unhappy in the job after seeing it up close, everyone is better off with you taking the money and leaving.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: The expectation that you'll just work late is disgusting


The last "real" (professional office) job I had fired me, b/c I was only putting in my 40. They expected 60.

Haha. fark you guys, and anyone dumb enough to put up with that bullshiat.
 
5 days ago  
Two thousand dollars for people who have worked two peak seasons and another thousand for people who have worked three. And Amazon has said they're willing to hire these people back after the vote as long as the vote fails. So what they're saying is they can easily afford to spend a thousand dollars more on each employee every season and they think a union is going to run them a seasonal cost higher than a thousand dollars, so unionizing would in effect mean employees getting more than a thousand dollars a season.

Seems like the company is admitting they've been farking their workers and they'd be getting a better deal out of unionizing.
 
5 days ago  

GoldSpider: If you don't want a union, seems like it might be less costly to just not treat workers like disposable cogs?


My dad was upper management at a large food company in the 80s. Whenever they acquired a nes plant, they would do things like upgrade bathrooms and break rooms and try to offer better coffee and such. Because they wanted to make it harder for unions to get a foothold. Apparently that mentality and forethought was relegated to the dust bin of history though.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: oldernell: We need a resurgence of unions. We have the worst workers rights among the industrialized nations and it time to do something about it other than let the rich get richer.


So very very much THIS

Professional office type workers need a union as well. The amount of people who work free overtime, or who can only claim overtime after the first 90 minutes of overtime or whatever.

The expectation that you'll just work late is disgusting


Worse is the expectation that you'll work overtime every week for years.   i am every day stunned that the US passed a 40 hour work week in 1940 and never capped long term mandatory overtime.

/I get seasonal work - you gotta harvest when the apples are ripe
//No reason exists for call center employees to be on mandatory 50 hour weeks 45 weeks a year
///Or for software project mangers to work 200 @ 14-hour days in a row
 
5 days ago  

GodComplex: GoldSpider: If you don't want a union, seems like it might be less costly to just not treat workers like disposable cogs?

My dad was upper management at a large food company in the 80s. Whenever they acquired a nes plant, they would do things like upgrade bathrooms and break rooms and try to offer better coffee and such. Because they wanted to make it harder for unions to get a foothold. Apparently that mentality and forethought was relegated to the dust bin of history though.


I'm skeptical if that really had any impact on unionization efforts. People don't organize for better coffee - they organize for better pay, benefits, and job security.
 
5 days ago  

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Ironically, Amazon cannot make that argument to persuadable workers because Amazon is a right to work state - they won't have to pay dues.

I'm curious if anyone has studied if right to work laws actually helps organizing because people who lean voting for the union but are not fully sure cannot be scared off with the prospect of dues.
 
5 days ago  

thornhill: GodComplex: GoldSpider: If you don't want a union, seems like it might be less costly to just not treat workers like disposable cogs?

My dad was upper management at a large food company in the 80s. Whenever they acquired a nes plant, they would do things like upgrade bathrooms and break rooms and try to offer better coffee and such. Because they wanted to make it harder for unions to get a foothold. Apparently that mentality and forethought was relegated to the dust bin of history though.

I'm skeptical if that really had any impact on unionization efforts. People don't organize for better coffee - they organize for better pay, benefits, and job security.


If people working in your business are miserable, they're going to want more out of working there and are going to be more prone to unionization or turnover. They don't unionize so they can get better coffee, but better coffee can increase worker satisfaction and make unionization less likely.
 
5 days ago  

thornhill: I'm skeptical if that really had any impact on unionization efforts. People don't organize for better coffee - they organize for better pay, benefits, and job security.


One of the first jobs I had was with a bunch of young 20-somethings. I recall one of them had to visit another branch of the same company to pick something up. They came back and said "Wow at that other branch they had k-cups and hot chocolate too".

I said to him, "Who cares if they have a Keurig. Do they have retirement matching?"
 
4 days ago  
Years ago (mid 90's) I was a bartender at a midwestern casino.  There was a union trying to come in and the casino held the "union busting" mandatory meetings.  One of their arguments was that "unions have a history of organized crime".  A casino.  Argued that Unions.  Had a history of organized crime...

But at the end of the day, fark that - most of our money came from tips and we got solid benefits so we didn't want someone else's hand in our paychecks.
 
4 days ago  

azxj: Years ago (mid 90's) I was a bartender at a midwestern casino.  There was a union trying to come in and the casino held the "union busting" mandatory meetings.  One of their arguments was that "unions have a history of organized crime".  A casino.  Argued that Unions.  Had a history of organized crime...

But at the end of the day, fark that - most of our money came from tips and we got solid benefits so we didn't want someone else's hand in our paychecks.


It's a lot easier to budget and plan your life if you aren't wondering every week "I wonder how much I'm going to make in tips". Same as a mechanic or plumber working on commission who wonders about what sales they will luck in to that week because their hourly rate is so low as to encourage more commission sales. That kind of business model helps the employer, not the employee. A union could have done a lot of good for you...
 
4 days ago  

thornhill: GodComplex: GoldSpider: If you don't want a union, seems like it might be less costly to just not treat workers like disposable cogs?

My dad was upper management at a large food company in the 80s. Whenever they acquired a nes plant, they would do things like upgrade bathrooms and break rooms and try to offer better coffee and such. Because they wanted to make it harder for unions to get a foothold. Apparently that mentality and forethought was relegated to the dust bin of history though.

I'm skeptical if that really had any impact on unionization efforts. People don't organize for better coffee - they organize for better pay, benefits, and job security.


They unionize because they aren't happy. pay, benefits and job security just help it hurt less.
 
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