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(The Daily Beast)   Texans who survived the blackout catastrophe and couldn't make it to work are being told by employers to use vacation time or not get a paycheck   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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5 days ago  
That's pretty normal for big companies pretty much everywhere. All that downtime pay comes right out of profits and you can't have that now can you?
 
5 days ago  
"I'm disappointed and nervous about the next year," the worker said, adding, "Even though I'm salaried, I'm entry-level, and any knock to my income will put me on the street-and that's terrifying."

I've fought the concept of salary pay since it was forced on me over a decade ago. It was always a one way street to help companies get free labor from their workers.

The system is designed to exploit us.
 
5 days ago  
That is pretty much what PTO is. What is the complaint?
 
5 days ago  

Tr0mBoNe: That's pretty normal for big companies pretty much everywhere. All that downtime pay comes right out of profits and you can't have that now can you?


Yup.
 
5 days ago  
I was speaking with a new hire in my company, who is probably in her early 20s. She said lots of her friends were getting this treatment and she was honestly shocked that the company basically told her to work if/when she can but that it's not a priority during a catastrophe so nobody is watching and judging her. Basically if she can use the distraction great but otherwise don't work.
 
5 days ago  
Have I mentioned that we need a Texas tag lately? Because we could sure use a Texas tag
 
5 days ago  
If I can't work because of weather I have to use PTO or forgo pay so I'm sitting here thinking, "so what?"

I get paid to do a job.  If I don't do the job I don't get paid.  It's how it works.
 
5 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: "I'm disappointed and nervous about the next year," the worker said, adding, "Even though I'm salaried, I'm entry-level, and any knock to my income will put me on the street-and that's terrifying."

I've fought the concept of salary pay since it was forced on me over a decade ago. It was always a one way street to help companies get free labor from their workers.

The system is designed to exploit us.


This. When I got promoted from hourly to salaried I got a big pay cut because of all the overtime my job requires. I was too foolish at the time and didn't try to negotiate for a higher salary.

Also one time I had to miss work for 3 days because I lived on a peninsula and a flood blocked the only road out (and we had no power) - I work at a university and was told the official rule from HR was that I had to use vacation time to cover it because the university was still open - also, even though I technically get unlimited sick days, I couldn't use those either. Luckily my boss told me to forget it and not use vacation days and just put me down as "working offsite."
 
5 days ago  
No work, no bowl of gruel.   It's the invisible hand, a basic law of the universe.   Subby why do you deny the existence of the natural forces of the free market?
 
5 days ago  
These people made their beds. If they had just sold meth they could have made their own hours. Some people are just unable to think outside the box.
 
5 days ago  
Well, working IT, our office, servers, etc. ate total shiat during the power outage, plus, some equipment was damaged so we couldn't work anyway (except from home...which I did....when I had power).
 
5 days ago  
Having trouble getting concerned, as all of the troubles Texans have had lately are a direct consequence of their freedums and the politicians they have elected over the last couple decades.
 
5 days ago  
I am loving this Libertarian paradise.

Glad Texas is testing the waters first
 
5 days ago  
can't say i am surprised, though i think it should not be allowed for companies to force employees to use paid vacation time due to natural disaster.  Yes they are not exactly forcing them but the alternative is not a desirable one.

This is a case in which some sort government mandate and at least partly government funded disaster pay program should exist so people still have some money coming in, even it is not equal to their full normal pay.

in short vacation time should be for vacation or used at the discretion of the one who earned it with in reasonable rules set by the company that issues it .
 
5 days ago  

natazha: Having trouble getting concerned, as all of the troubles Texans have had lately are a direct consequence of their freedums and the politicians they have elected over the last couple decades.


"Hey California, sorry boo, can we come back?"
 
d23 [OhFark]
5 days ago  
so.. how's Galt's Gulch workin' out for ya?
 
5 days ago  

Tr0mBoNe: That's pretty normal for big companies pretty much everywhere. All that downtime pay comes right out of profits and you can't have that now can you?


And if you are a server in a restaurant, or have one of any number of other jobs, you don't have vacation time anyway. Either typical misinformation from the Daily Beast, which I never bother to read, or subby is misleading us about what the article says.
 
5 days ago  
A few inches of snow and scattered power outages. Welcome to multiple times every winter in 75% of America. Everyone knew the storm was coming a week in advance. Probably should have planned for something with your boss.
 
5 days ago  
fark welfare and corporate responsibility, right up until it teeters on interfering with my life.

Welcome to the world of capitalism and social irresponsibility. It's not about you, it's about those profits because that's where the tax money comes from..... Oh yeah, scratch that. You are covering all that too. God luck and good speed folks.
 
5 days ago  
So...  they didn't work, for whatever reason...  and they expect their employer to cough up their pay as if it were some form of entitlement?

Grow the fark up snowflakes.

A paycheck is for services rendered, not some basic entitlement of life.
 
5 days ago  
They love their capitalism, I say they should get it good and hard.

Hopefully that socialist Abbot gets the boot after robbing the heroic energy providers of their profits.
 
5 days ago  

natazha: Having trouble getting concerned, as all of the troubles Texans have had lately are a direct consequence of their freedums and the politicians they have elected over the last couple decades.


Yep, no government oversight or regulations to stop corporations from making money. The people of Texas felt like that was much more important than smaller profits to make sure the power grid was ready for weather and to take care of employees who couldn't work because of the weather. The most important thing is profits. The more the bosses make the more they let trickle down to all the workers.

Being profitable isn't enough. You have to squeeze every penny from every spot you can to show larger profits and get a bigger bonus.

Texas loves to play that game and these were the consequences. It sucks people died and don't have basic utilities but who gives a shiat as long as all these businesses make record profits every year.
 
5 days ago  

GardenWeasel: That is pretty much what PTO is. What is the complaint?


Well the complaint is that this was a disaster and they absolutely couldn't go to work and maybe their arsehole bosses and companies can show some farking compassion and not make them use their PTO. Not to mention not everyone has a lot of PTO especially if they just started working there.
 
5 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: "I'm disappointed and nervous about the next year," the worker said, adding, "Even though I'm salaried, I'm entry-level, and any knock to my income will put me on the street-and that's terrifying."

I've fought the concept of salary pay since it was forced on me over a decade ago. It was always a one way street to help companies get free labor from their workers.

The system is designed to exploit us.


Salaried + "exempt." They love that.
 
5 days ago  
My employer is not making anyone take any PTO at all. Most everyone missed all or most of last week.
 
5 days ago  
I live in Houston and own my own business.

Our 65+ employees got the entire week off. We have helped employees who had pipes burst clean up their homes and started a fund to help that one of our manufacturers has almost fully funded.

Yes, not being able to work hurt us especially when everyone is getting paid. People do not realize what the cost is for a single day let alone a week. Not every company is evil and certainly this is not relegated to only Texas.
 
5 days ago  

GardenWeasel: That is pretty much what PTO is. What is the complaint?


In the case of the Salaried employees one side of the supposed deal is that the paycheck is the same all the time, with the employer taking the risk there won't be work to do on any given day, and the employee taking the risk they might need to work extra hours to ensure required tasks are completed.

In this case the employer is basically saying the Salaried staff are Hourly employees who don't get overtime.

Which I think we all knew was the goal all along.
 
5 days ago  
That secession thing their governor was threatening a few weeks ago is sounding better and better as all this unfolds.
 
5 days ago  
If the company could've afforded it, they should've helped. A social responsibility thing... Otherwise, if the company can't afford it, they can't afford it.
 
5 days ago  
Mrs Function's employer: "if you work remote and the company VPN is down or you have no power to work, you must take PTO".


Function's employer: "if you couldn't work, just mark as time worked anyway"

I had power but all of my appointments canceled on me.  I plan to bust my ass the next two weeks to make up for the lost work.
 
5 days ago  
I mean, I'm of two minds on this.

Yes, a company is within it's right to do what it wants regarding a PTO policy. Sure, if employees aren't working but want to be paid having them use PTO makes sense, albeit a little bit of a jerk move but sure ok.

The bigger issue will be what happens once the PTO runs out? I feel for these people. They are all forced to eat a shiatsandwich none of them made. BUT they should be a little thankful they still have jobs.

That said, I 100% echo the sentiments stated above. 99% of all salaried employees are salaried in the companies favor, not the employees. Much like companies that use "Independent Contractors" it's just a shiatty company exploiting a system that was never meant to be used that way.
 
d23 [OhFark]
5 days ago  

madgonad: A few inches of snow and scattered power outages. Welcome to multiple times every winter in 75% of America. Everyone knew the storm was coming a week in advance. Probably should have planned for something with your boss.


It's kind of sad how the worship of corporations has gone this far.  The corporation is god.  The corporation can never do wrong.

If you predicted your power outage then maybe you should go touring with Kresikin.  I live in an area that is prone to bad snows about two times a year and I can tell you we NEVER "plan something with our boss" ahead of time.
 
5 days ago  

Pucca: maybe their arsehole bosses and companies can show some farking compassion

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5 days ago  
Force majeure. Work stopped due to something outside anyone's control. It sucks for the employees, but I don't see how this is on the employer.
 
d23 [OhFark]
5 days ago  

Declassify Issue: If the company could've afforded it, they should've helped. A social responsibility thing... Otherwise, if the company can't afford it, they can't afford it.


The US through our case law has literally made our corporations sociopaths.  And, as we see so much on this thread, our society's morals system has molded itself into a farce where corporations are not held accountable for anything.  Your boss could shoot you for doing your TPS reports wrong and someone on Fark would defend it.
 
5 days ago  

Tr0mBoNe: That's pretty normal for big companies pretty much everywhere.


In the United States.
 
5 days ago  

NotThatGuyAgain: If I can't work because of weather I have to use PTO or forgo pay so I'm sitting here thinking, "so what?"

I get paid to do a job.  If I don't do the job I don't get paid.  It's how it works.


GrogSmash: So...  they didn't work, for whatever reason...  and they expect their employer to cough up their pay as if it were some form of entitlement?

Grow the fark up snowflakes.

A paycheck is for services rendered, not some basic entitlement of life.


Now, look at how nearly every other first world country handles this type of situation, and realize how brainwashed and beaten down you are to have this mentality, It's beyond absurd.
 
5 days ago  

NotThatGuyAgain: If I can't work because of weather I have to use PTO or forgo pay so I'm sitting here thinking, "so what?"

I get paid to do a job.  If I don't do the job I don't get paid.  It's how it works.


You must be new to Fark and sleeping under an Apple Tree Rip van Winkle...

Capitalism Bad!  Cancel Culture Good!  Mob rules and renig on your agreements are the new norm!

This is the Fark way...
 
5 days ago  

madgonad: A few inches of snow and scattered power outages. Welcome to multiple times every winter in 75% of America. Everyone knew the storm was coming a week in advance. Probably should have planned for something with your boss.


You sound really, reallytough.

We are all very impressed as is your life coach I'm sure.
 
5 days ago  

Chemlight Battery: My employer is not making anyone take any PTO at all. Most everyone missed all or most of last week.


You have a very kind employer.

Where we are, nearly every company is "if you don't work, take PTO", and we average almost 100" of snow a year.
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  
Its helpful to think of the US as a giant casino.
Its advertised as a place where anyone with a little luck and "moxie" can get rich when most people actually just lose hard and go home broke.
These places dont stay in business by making people rich and the rich people who run this country dont stay that way by sharing.
 
5 days ago  

jiggitysmith: Tr0mBoNe: That's pretty normal for big companies pretty much everywhere.

In the United States.


Exactly.  We're the odd ones out.  For extra fun, try explaining how our healthcare/insurance system works to someone in literally any other western democracy that is unfamiliar with it.  They'll first think you're messing with them.  Then they go into some sort of intellectual shock at how utterly broken the idea is.  Lots of stammering and horrified looks.  They'll be stunned.  Then they get really, really angry.  First at the government/leadership for letting it happen, then at the citizenry for perpetuating and defending it.

I've watched this happen almost a dozen time.  The progression is hilarious to watch.  And we're so used to it, we think it's normal and actually defend a completely farked up system.
 
5 days ago  
God Bless Texas
 
5 days ago  
My employer pays us report time when it shuts down due to weather, because they recognize that their employees have to support themselves and their families, and have enough income to pay us out of overhead. (Obviously this couldn't be unlimited if they were shut down indefinitely, but in practice they've never been unable to do it.) Yet we have a bunch of libertarian clowns in here acting like forgoing pay is some natural moral law of the universe, as Fissile so aptly pointed out.
 
5 days ago  

Pucca: GardenWeasel: That is pretty much what PTO is. What is the complaint?

Well the complaint is that this was a disaster and they absolutely couldn't go to work and maybe their arsehole bosses and companies can show some farking compassion and not make them use their PTO. Not to mention not everyone has a lot of PTO especially if they just started working there.


Paid Time Off is literally Paid Time Off. You are being paid for not being there.
It's going to be printed in black and white in your employment manual.

Fark HR types, correct me if I'm wrong...

If they just give you money from an undefined bucket, that's a bonus, not PTO, and will be taxed accordingly. Theoretically, a company could blanket everyone with an increase in available PTO hours, but that is complicated by IRS regulations and you can't just flip a switch mid-year..
 
5 days ago  

Capt_Clown: The bigger issue will be what happens once the PTO runs out? I feel for these people. They are all forced to eat a shiatsandwich none of them made. BUT they should be a little thankful they still have jobs.


Most companies I've seen will let you borrow against next year's PTO in cases of emergency.
 
5 days ago  

SVC_conservative: natazha: Having trouble getting concerned, as all of the troubles Texans have had lately are a direct consequence of their freedums and the politicians they have elected over the last couple decades.

"Hey California, sorry boo, can we come back?"


I'm sure wherever Elon puts his factory, he'll have a transmission line or two run from the Western grid.  After this fiasco, he's not going to rely solely on TX to provide services.
 
5 days ago  
Just another example of Texas being a Libertarian paradise.
 
5 days ago  

madgonad: A few inches of snow and scattered power outages. Welcome to multiple times every winter in 75% of America. Everyone knew the storm was coming a week in advance. Probably should have planned for something with your boss.


Yeah, but you guys start dying when the temp is in the 90's and Texans are in a light jacket
 
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