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(Daily Dot)   Unexpected hazard of a snow storm in Texas: getting arrested for walking home from work while Black   (dailydot.com) divider line
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3430 clicks; posted to Main » on 23 Feb 2021 at 8:35 AM (5 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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5 days ago  
Walking While Black sounds rather St. Louis County, but if he was really in short sleeves in the snow, you may indeed want to talk to him about that.
 
5 days ago  

Alphax: Walking While Black sounds rather St. Louis County, but if he was really in short sleeves in the snow, you may indeed want to talk to him about that.


He has the right to bare arms. Cops had no business doing anything but helping him.
 
5 days ago  
To a cop, arresting someone not wanting help is helping.
 
5 days ago  
Whar Texas tag? Whar?
 
5 days ago  
The old arrested solely for resisting arrest trick. Classic.
 
5 days ago  
there is no way there is more to this story.
 
5 days ago  
Have you been to Plano, Texas? This isn't unexpected. This is Tuesday.
 
5 days ago  
Great article *eyeroll*
 
5 days ago  
Being Black, is there anything it can't do....

.....to get you arrested?
 
5 days ago  
"We're only here to help"
"Naw I'm good"
"Cuff him, resisting"
 
5 days ago  

asciibaron: there is no way there is more to this story.


Back in 1619, there was this land that had just been forcibly ripped out of the hands of the people living there. The new owners wanted the old owners to work that land. They were told to go pound sand. So they needed a new source of labor. Wait? What was that? A half century old trade in the Caribbean? Full of free labor? They gotta get them some of that.

To be continued .... until a civil war ended free labor and those who owned that free labor never forgot or forgave. Fast forward to 2021.
 
5 days ago  
It was snowing in the video and he didn't have a jacket.  That is concerning.  If he is drunk or off meds and gets lost he could die of hypothermia.  I think the police were right to investigate.  This is a tough one.  This is why we need something besides police - like mental health professionals - to check on people.
 
5 days ago  
He wouldn't have had to walk if he hadn't crashed his truck
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5 days ago  

asciibaron: there is no way there is more to this story.


Yeah - what happened before the tape started?
There must be SOME reasonable explanation!
Why is the lamestream media always trying to make it look like there is racism?
 
5 days ago  

OldJames: He wouldn't have had to walk if he hadn't crashed his truck
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Aging 3-cylinder compacts have a way of teaching you how to drive in the snow really damn quick.
 
5 days ago  

asciibaron: there is no way there is more to this story.


It's all captured on camera. It's a guy walking home from work who didn't want to talk to police other than telling them he was walking home from work.
 
5 days ago  
Why didn't they just offer him a ride home?
 
5 days ago  

Graffito: It was snowing in the video and he didn't have a jacket.  That is concerning.  If he is drunk or off meds and gets lost he could die of hypothermia.  I think the police were right to investigate.  This is a tough one.  This is why we need something besides police - like mental health professionals - to check on people.


This so much.  Also, they could have just backed off and let him walk home.  If they wanted to keep an eye on him, that isn't hard to do from a distance.
 
5 days ago  

Nina9: Why didn't they just offer him a ride home?


Okay, they did, the other article I read about this didn't mention that.

Then why not offer the man a coat?
 
5 days ago  

Nina9: Why didn't they just offer him a ride home?


Oh, they did. Huh, I wonder why one wouldn't accept...
 
5 days ago  

Graffito: It was snowing in the video and he didn't have a jacket.  That is concerning.  If he is drunk or off meds and gets lost he could die of hypothermia.  I think the police were right to investigate.  This is a tough one.  This is why we need something besides police - like mental health professionals - to check on people.


I'm sure the cops were very "concerned" about everything BUT hypothermia. Like I've commented before, if Clem or Bobby Joe had been doing exact same thing they wouldn't have battted an eye. But, you know it's like cops can't help themselves, now the guy has an arrest record, which is a feature of systemic racism not a bug.
 
5 days ago  
In really feel bad for this guy... Because if he had just stopped and had a 30 second conversation with the people trying to help him, the worst thing that would have happened to him is he got a ride home in the cold.  I don't understand how so many people grew up without learning the fact that if you're not nice to people, they aren't going to be nice to you.
 
5 days ago  
I lived in a small town in OK for a long time. And I'm a middle class average looking white guy.

I got "pulled over" for walking at least 3 times since turning 21 in that little OK town. Yelled at by cops. Once it was walking to the gas station around 11pm with a friend, less than half a mile, to get more beer because we didn't want to drive as we had... been drinking. 2 cops whipped into a parking lot and threw on spot lights and questioned us for 20 minutes.

We got "pulled over" walking on a sidewalk at 9pm in a very "middle class" area once. Spot light, guns drawn, questions asked. Three guys walking from one house to another because it was like 10 blocks apart and it was beautiful weather. Not drinking. I mean one of the guys might have had a hackysack but that's hardly worth an arrest. One friend was cuffed because he was "mouthy" but let go.

Each time we "fit the description". As if a 20 something white guy in a hoodie in 2005 wasn't generic.

There was a British guy I used to work with who had an entirely different experience. He got pulled over for walking a few times as well, but because he wasn't what was expected, they ended up giving him rides around town each time. Showing him that southern hospitality, right? I had to explain to him that the entire concept of southern hospitality is a horrible fake put-on and not to be trusted.
 
5 days ago  

starsrift: Nina9: Why didn't they just offer him a ride home?

Oh, they did. Huh, I wonder why one wouldn't accept...


Maybe because one doesn't care to, and this is America?
Oh, wait, I forgot - this is America for ME - not necessarily for him.
 
5 days ago  

Graffito: It was snowing in the video and he didn't have a jacket.  That is concerning.  If he is drunk or off meds and gets lost he could die of hypothermia.  I think the police were right to investigate.  This is a tough one.  This is why we need something besides police - like mental health professionals - to check on people.


this story is hitting close to home for me.

i have been dealing with a friend who needs help but he is refusing to be taken to the hospital.  he was outside in the snow with just shorts and t-shirt at 3am in the ice storm here in Philly last weekend. no shoes, no gloves.  he was wandering the streets of Brewerytown and was very incoherent. even that was not enough to have him committed. 

for those saying the cops should have let him continue on in the sub freezing temps not properly dressed, isn't that the police ignoring a dangerous and potentially life threatening situation?

it's a fine line, but him spending a night in jail would have been better then him freezing to death.
 
5 days ago  

Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?


He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

Funny thing is while walking he was staying warm by exercising and generating body heat. Police wanted to stop him so they could detain and question him, and stopping is when you start freezing because you're not longer exercising. Basically, police were taking a guy who was fine and were trying to get him to start freezing to death.
 
5 days ago  

Bslim: I'm sure the cops were very "concerned" about everything BUT hypothermia. Like I've commented before, if Clem or Bobby Joe had been doing exact same thing they wouldn't have battted an eye.


Yeah, I'll bet if it had been a couple of good ol' boys, the cops would have, like, stopped and offered them a ride!

...Wait, that's exactly what they did for this guy.  Maybe it was too dark to see he was black?
 
5 days ago  

PenguinTheRed: I don't understand how so many people grew up without learning the fact that if you're not nice to people, they aren't going to be nice to you.


What about "being nice" dictates that you have to stop and talk to people when you don't want to do that? In American, it's perfectly fine to nod hello to people as you pass them and go about your business. You don't have to stop and talk to people, you don't have to explain yourself, and if they are offering you a ride or something it's perfectly fine to decline and go on your way. What the fark is wrong with you?
 
5 days ago  
"We got a call about some busted water pipes around here."
 
5 days ago  
I HAVE AN ANECDOTE ABOUT BEING WHITE, RACISM ISN'T REAL
 
5 days ago  
Remember: In-group that the law protects but does not bind, out-group that the law binds but does not protect.
 
5 days ago  
A lot of apologists are making a lot of assumptions here.
I wonder if it has occurred to any of them that this man's life in America might not have led him to judge thois situation as they would, or that they should acknowledge his right to choose what "assistance' he might wish to accept, and from whom?
It's like a schematic diagram of White Privilege in action.
 
5 days ago  

DarnoKonrad: I HAVE AN ANECDOTE ABOUT BEING WHITE, RACISM ISN'T REAL


I WAS RAISED TO LIKE COPS AND BE SECURE IN MY WHITE PRIVILEGE, RACISM ISN'T REAL.
 
5 days ago  

DarnoKonrad: "We got a call about some busted water pipes around here."


We heard there was a broken window!
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.


it was in the teens. 

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5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: PenguinTheRed: I don't understand how so many people grew up without learning the fact that if you're not nice to people, they aren't going to be nice to you.

What about "being nice" dictates that you have to stop and talk to people when you don't want to do that? In American, it's perfectly fine to nod hello to people as you pass them and go about your business. You don't have to stop and talk to people, you don't have to explain yourself, and if they are offering you a ride or something it's perfectly fine to decline and go on your way. What the fark is wrong with you?


Sure, it is perfectly fine.  And in American [sic] you also have the right to walk down the street without a jacket.  And you have the right to not speak to the cops.  And you have the right to walk away from the cops if you aren't being detained.  In fact, you have the right to be a complete asshole to every person you meet; instead of nodding and saying hello you can tell every person you pass that they are ugly and smell like garbage.  But just because you have a right to do something does not mean you are entitled to an equal outcome from one line of behavior versus another.
 
5 days ago  

asciibaron: mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

it was in the teens. 

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A chart of water temperature. How incredibly helpful.
 
5 days ago  
The reason that people don't perceive reality the same as you do is not that they are stupid, stubborn, or bad people.
It is because their reality is NOT THE SAME AS YOURS.
It amazes me how many people try to think their way through things without taking that into account.
 
5 days ago  

asciibaron: mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

it was in the teens.


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5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: asciibaron: mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

it was in the teens. 

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A chart of water temperature. How incredibly helpful.


it was snowing, exposed wet skin.  seriously, do you not understand how dangerous exposure can be?
 
5 days ago  

PenguinTheRed: But just because you have a right to do something does not mean you are entitled to an equal outcome from one line of behavior versus another.


That really is the crux of a significant part of the problem we have with police in America. We need more officers trained to stay in their lane and mind their business unless it is absolutely necessary for them to get involved. How many stories do we hear about each day where the police showed up and MADE THEMSELVES THE PROBLEM with their interaction with people who were doing absolutely nothing wrong? It ends in death for some - ask Elijah McLain how that turned out for him.

We need more police that can walk away from situations where people clearly do not want to be bothered or otherwise interacted with.
 
5 days ago  

Zombies ate my neighbors: the entire concept of southern hospitality is a horrible fake put-on and not to be trusted.


This needs to be said more often.

/Southern
 
5 days ago  
Just pigs doing pig sh*t.

#ACAB
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: asciibaron: mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

it was in the teens. 

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A chart of water temperature. How incredibly helpful.


That's what you get when you try to "tech" your way through a moral/philosophical issue.
It's what we call a "Well,. ackshually....."
As if the temperature of anything had diddly jack shiat to do with any salient issue here.
Here's what happened - a guy was walking down a street on a cold day, in no distress, and a couple of thugs from the government jumped him, beat him up, and arrested him.
No other thing happened - only that. And no honest or intelligent person would see it as anything else.
 
5 days ago  

asciibaron: mrmopar5287: asciibaron: mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

it was in the teens. 

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A chart of water temperature. How incredibly helpful.

it was snowing, exposed wet skin.  seriously, do you not understand how dangerous exposure can be?


I live in this weather for a significant part of the year - I'm a Northerner. Snowing does  not automatically mean exposed wet skin. The snow brushes right off and doesn't wet your skin.

Your air temperature chart shows that temperatures in the teens are not a threat to people for frostbite. It's certainly not a threat to people for hypothermia if they are at least moderately clothed (he was: wearing pants and a shirt) and engaging in some physical activity (he was: walking home from work).
 
5 days ago  

PenguinTheRed: mrmopar5287: PenguinTheRed: I don't understand how so many people grew up without learning the fact that if you're not nice to people, they aren't going to be nice to you.

What about "being nice" dictates that you have to stop and talk to people when you don't want to do that? In American, it's perfectly fine to nod hello to people as you pass them and go about your business. You don't have to stop and talk to people, you don't have to explain yourself, and if they are offering you a ride or something it's perfectly fine to decline and go on your way. What the fark is wrong with you?

Sure, it is perfectly fine.  And in American [sic] you also have the right to walk down the street without a jacket.  And you have the right to not speak to the cops.  And you have the right to walk away from the cops if you aren't being detained.  In fact, you have the right to be a complete asshole to every person you meet; instead of nodding and saying hello you can tell every person you pass that they are ugly and smell like garbage.  But just because you have a right to do something does not mean you are entitled to an equal outcome from one line of behavior versus another.


There's a big difference between two civilians and one person and one police officer. The latter, of courses, has sworn to serve and protect the former.  Further, police are trained to handle all types of reactions - "nice" and otherwise.  There's some First Amendment bonus reading in giving an officer the middle finger.

/ Should a "nice" car accident victim expect better emergency treatment?  Should the white-robed guy in cardiac arrest expect worse?
 
5 days ago  

mrmopar5287: Your air temperature chart shows that temperatures in the teens are not a threat to people for frostbite. It's certainly not a threat to people for hypothermia if they are at least moderately clothed (he was: wearing pants and a shirt) and engaging in some physical activity (he was: walking home from work).


It's a total red herring anyway.
 
5 days ago  

jso2897: The reason that people don't perceive reality the same as you do is not that they are stupid, stubborn, or bad people.
It is because their reality is NOT THE SAME AS YOURS.
It amazes me how many people try to think their way through things without taking that into account.


Interesting perspective... So does that mean society needs to tailor itself to the worst possible reality, sort of like the slowest person setting the pace on a hike?

Reality is reality.  Everyone is going to perceive reality differently, and stupid, stubborn, and/or bad people are not going to have perception of reality that is worth taking seriously.  How about we help such people, perhaps through education, to bring them up to a better vision of reality than bring our own perception of reality down to theirs?
 
5 days ago  

asciibaron: mrmopar5287: Nina9: Then why not offer the man a coat?

He was apparently fine without one - it wasn't THAT cold.

it was in the teens.


The real crime here is the Imperial system.  If the US switched to the metric system, walking around in a t-shirt in the teens would be just fine.
 
5 days ago  

Zombies ate my neighbors: Each time we "fit the description".


From what I can gather you - or whoever is stopped & questioned - will always fit a convenient description of being someone who is a person of interest.

It's one of the general police plays along with 'appeared to be driving too fast / too slow or erratically', 'appeared to be in need of some assistance' or any answer to the question 'do you have anything on you that you're not supposed to have?' Answer no & it's "We'll be the judge of that." Answer yes &  it's "You're nicked, sunshine".

Commander Vimes could tell you a copper has a hundred & one ways to feel your collar for any number of reasons, including the most basic one; that you are not a copper and so not one of them.
 
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