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5 days ago  
But has he seen the Butthole Cut?
 
5 days ago  
When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie


Expanded runtime to 4 hours....ok maybe there will be some differences.

But it's seldom that adding an hour to an already bad movie makes it better
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Gubbo: When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie

Expanded runtime to 4 hours....ok maybe there will be some differences.

But it's seldom that adding an hour to an already bad movie makes it better


It's been reported that he isn't using any of what Whedon shot. According to that article, Whedon shot 75% of that movie. So sweet best he is using 25% of the original movie + 70M of reshoot for 4 hours of movie with new characters.

I don't think it will look that similar at all to what was released. Will it be good? I certainly doubt it. But that doesn't mean it will be the same.
 
5 days ago  
It would take damn near universal acclaim for me to believe this is anything other than an absolute train wreck. I really, really tried to give the DC movies a chance but their initial run of things wasn't just awful it was dead puppy sad. They seemed to be turning it around with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and SHAZAM! (god I love that last one) that I just don't get why this was made. It could be good in the same way that a hail mary could be a touchdown.

/not gunna be good
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Gubbo: When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie

Expanded runtime to 4 hours....ok maybe there will be some differences.

But it's seldom that adding an hour to an already bad movie makes it better


This version has all the Marthas.
 
5 days ago  
Snyder - who was replaced by "Avengers" director Joss Whedon during the film's torturous production - had a darker, longer, less jokey-jokey vision for the movie.

Jokey-jokey? Justice League?
Really?
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Gubbo: When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie

Expanded runtime to 4 hours....ok maybe there will be some differences.

But it's seldom that adding an hour to an already bad movie makes it better


Now with 25% more suck!
 
5 days ago  

Bslim: Snyder - who was replaced by "Avengers" director Joss Whedon during the film's torturous production - had a darker, longer, less jokey-jokey vision for the movie.

Jokey-jokey? Justice League?
Really?


Barry Allen: 'What was your superpower again?'
Bruce Wayne: 'I'm rich.'

They weren't really funny, but they were there.
 
5 days ago  
This guy waxed about it would be fun to get Batman raped in prison. Really not interested in anything he has to "contribute" to this trainwreck anymore. It'll be nice when DC finally decides to leave their 80's comic edgelord phase. I feel we owe Joel Schumacher an apology.
 
5 days ago  
Yeah, bullsh*t.

We already know Snyder lies about crap all the time.
 
5 days ago  

Wobambo: It would take damn near universal acclaim for me to believe this is anything other than an absolute train wreck. I really, really tried to give the DC movies a chance but their initial run of things wasn't just awful it was dead puppy sad. They seemed to be turning it around with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and SHAZAM! (god I love that last one) that I just don't get why this was made. It could be good in the same way that a hail mary could be a touchdown.

/not gunna be good


You are right, and yet... I will likely see it. It may be crap, but it's a pandemic, I'm entertainment starved, and I still like to see scenes where good versus evil is resolved by punching and Gal Godot in a WW costume.

Let's give Snyder his shot.
 
5 days ago  

Hell Poodle: This guy waxed about it would be fun to get Batman raped in prison.


Nah he couldn't possibly...

*5 second goog*

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5 days ago  
I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.
 
5 days ago  

Gubbo: Gubbo: When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie

Expanded runtime to 4 hours....ok maybe there will be some differences.

But it's seldom that adding an hour to an already bad movie makes it better


See: Apocalypse Now Redux.
 
5 days ago  

Michael J Faux: I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.


It's obvious he's trying to do a "superheroes for adults" thing, while losing sight that most adults who watch superhero movies want the superheroes they loved as kids.

Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.
 
5 days ago  
While I don't have high hopes this will be GOOD, I am still very excited to see it. Not for the movie itself, which I'm sure will be more BvS-style grimdark by Snyder, but because it's a unique opportunity to see how the same script, same actors, same studio, same everything can go in two totally different directions.

Anyone interested in the creative process and how movies are made should probably find this interesting. When else have we had a chance to contrast two very different versions of the same exact movie, seeing how much the vision of two different people can shape the same film?

Many are the times we've heard of a studio totally changing a director's vision. VERY rarely do we ever see what the director actually intended. Touch of Evil, Once Upon A Time in America, and a handful of others. That's it.

So this is pretty wild and I'm glad it's happening.

I don't expect I'll like it as a movie, but I am for SURE looking forward to seeing it, seeing the choices that differ between the two, etc.
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  
shoegaze99:

Anyone interested in the creative process and how movies are made should probably find this interesting. When else have we had a chance to contrast two very different versions of the same exact movie, seeing how much the vision of two different people can shape the same film?


Saw it when Lucas released his  "Special Editions"
It wasn't pretty.
 
5 days ago  

skyotter: Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.


Yep. As someone who enjoys both approaches, classic heroism and dark deconstruction, I have no issue at all with dark takes in superheroes. Logan was fantastic, love The Boys, etc. I grew up on a steady diet of Frank Miller and Alan Moore, so I've far from averse to moodier twists on the genre.

But when I want to see the Justice League, I want to see the Justice League, with all the technicolor heroism that implies.
 
5 days ago  

Ishkur: Gubbo: Gubbo: When it turns out that the movie is 95% in the exact same order, I'm sure that will be revealed to be a lie

Expanded runtime to 4 hours....ok maybe there will be some differences.

But it's seldom that adding an hour to an already bad movie makes it better

See: Apocalypse Now Redux.


And even then, Coppola cut out about half of what he added to Redux to get "The Final Cut", the one he's apparently the most proud of.  (Even he though "Redux" meandered a bit.)
 
5 days ago  

shoegaze99: skyotter: Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.

Yep. As someone who enjoys both approaches, classic heroism and dark deconstruction, I have no issue at all with dark takes in superheroes. Logan was fantastic, love The Boys, etc. I grew up on a steady diet of Frank Miller and Alan Moore, so I've far from averse to moodier twists on the genre.

But when I want to see the Justice League, I want to see the Justice League, with all the technicolor heroism that implies.


The simple fact is that when something is taken from one medium to another absolutely *nobody* wants to see somebody's interpretation as the first example of it in the new medium.  They want the same thing they already love with the new medium's additions and as few changes possible.  This is why Marvel succeeds and DC bleeds profits.
 
5 days ago  

AdrienVeidt: The simple fact is that when something is taken from one medium to another absolutely *nobody* wants to see somebody's interpretation as the first example of it in the new medium.


Bingo! If there had already been several stabs at a Justice League movie, by all means, try something different. I love to see fresh takes on old ideas, when done well.

But first time out of the gate? Come on, give us the Justice League!

Marvel changes all sorts of things for their movies, but they still retain the spirit of the source material, and that's why it works. Snyder's stuff, it's visually stunning, but I feel like I'm watching a teenager's fever dream on what would be sUpeR cOOl before we've even had a chance to see the 'real' thing on screen.
 
5 days ago  

AdrienVeidt: shoegaze99: skyotter: Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.

Yep. As someone who enjoys both approaches, classic heroism and dark deconstruction, I have no issue at all with dark takes in superheroes. Logan was fantastic, love The Boys, etc. I grew up on a steady diet of Frank Miller and Alan Moore, so I've far from averse to moodier twists on the genre.

But when I want to see the Justice League, I want to see the Justice League, with all the technicolor heroism that implies.

The simple fact is that when something is taken from one medium to another absolutely *nobody* wants to see somebody's interpretation as the first example of it in the new medium.  They want the same thing they already love with the new medium's additions and as few changes possible.  This is why Marvel succeeds and DC bleeds profits.


I think DC forgot there's supposed to be an underlying fun aspect in there somewhere. The reason WW, Aquaman, and especially Shazam worked, is they weren't dark, sad, drudges of movies. There was fun in them.

DC thinks Dark means gritty, serious, morose. But if you look at even the best Batman properties like Batman the Animated Series, they may have been dark, but they were fun. DC needs to get away from Nolan, Snyder, and those who want sadness. That's not what we want from superheroes.
 
5 days ago  

Wobambo: It would take damn near universal acclaim for me to believe this is anything other than an absolute train wreck. I really, really tried to give the DC movies a chance but their initial run of things wasn't just awful it was dead puppy sad. They seemed to be turning it around with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and SHAZAM! (god I love that last one) that I just don't get why this was made. It could be good in the same way that a hail mary could be a touchdown.

/not gunna be good


Shazam is the only one they've released that's actually kinda OK, and not just receiving praise because it's not laughably bad. And even it would be a lower-half MCU film.

They need to fire everyone involved with live action and let the people responsible for their animated shiat run that show, too. They're so much better at that, for some reason.
 
5 days ago  

smileyphase: Wobambo: It would take damn near universal acclaim for me to believe this is anything other than an absolute train wreck. I really, really tried to give the DC movies a chance but their initial run of things wasn't just awful it was dead puppy sad. They seemed to be turning it around with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and SHAZAM! (god I love that last one) that I just don't get why this was made. It could be good in the same way that a hail mary could be a touchdown.

/not gunna be good

You are right, and yet... I will likely see it. It may be crap, but it's a pandemic, I'm entertainment starved, and I still like to see scenes where good versus evil is resolved by punching and Gal Godot in a WW costume.

Let's give Snyder his shot.


Heh - I get it and no judgement. Hope it's at least enjoyable even if it's bad.
 
5 days ago  

fallingcow: Wobambo: It would take damn near universal acclaim for me to believe this is anything other than an absolute train wreck. I really, really tried to give the DC movies a chance but their initial run of things wasn't just awful it was dead puppy sad. They seemed to be turning it around with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and SHAZAM! (god I love that last one) that I just don't get why this was made. It could be good in the same way that a hail mary could be a touchdown.

/not gunna be good

Shazam is the only one they've released that's actually kinda OK, and not just receiving praise because it's not laughably bad. And even it would be a lower-half MCU film.

They need to fire everyone involved with live action and let the people responsible for their animated shiat run that show, too. They're so much better at that, for some reason.


Sorta agree. See them as enjoyable summer blockbusters and I don't try to analyze them too deeply. I know it's shallow nonsense in the same way Tango & Cash was shallow nonsense.

But, yeah, letting the animation people take over would have been the smartest call to make. Just so many bad decisions from DC in last decade or two.
 
5 days ago  

skyotter: Michael J Faux: I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.

It's obvious he's trying to do a "superheroes for adults" thing, while losing sight that most adults who watch superhero movies want the superheroes they loved as kids.

Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.


The problem is, "for adults" still has to be well-made and well-written. Just making it "dark" doesn't cause it to be "for adults". It causes it to be for no-one.

Snyder seems to have some notion of how to convey character and how to incorporate theme, it's just that his ideas for both are consistently one or more of childish, stupid, or off-putting to audiences. Remarkably, this manifests in practically every part of his films, including visual design. Sticking bad ideas in a movie and making it grim-dark doesn't make a movie "for adults". It just makes a shiatty movie.
 
5 days ago  

fallingcow: skyotter: Michael J Faux: I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.

It's obvious he's trying to do a "superheroes for adults" thing, while losing sight that most adults who watch superhero movies want the superheroes they loved as kids.

Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.

The problem is, "for adults" still has to be well-made and well-written. Just making it "dark" doesn't cause it to be "for adults". It causes it to be for no-one.

Snyder seems to have some notion of how to convey character and how to incorporate theme, it's just that his ideas for both are consistently one or more of childish, stupid, or off-putting to audiences. Remarkably, this manifests in practically every part of his films, including visual design. Sticking bad ideas in a movie and making it grim-dark doesn't make a movie "for adults". It just makes a shiatty movie.


That doesn't mean jack shiat when he doesn't understand the characters.
 
5 days ago  

fallingcow: skyotter: Michael J Faux: I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.

It's obvious he's trying to do a "superheroes for adults" thing, while losing sight that most adults who watch superhero movies want the superheroes they loved as kids.

Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.

The problem is, "for adults" still has to be well-made and well-written. Just making it "dark" doesn't cause it to be "for adults". It causes it to be for no-one.

Snyder seems to have some notion of how to convey character and how to incorporate theme, it's just that his ideas for both are consistently one or more of childish, stupid, or off-putting to audiences. Remarkably, this manifests in practically every part of his films, including visual design. Sticking bad ideas in a movie and making it grim-dark doesn't make a movie "for adults". It just makes a shiatty movie.


"Let's shoot Jimmy Olsen in the head.  That'll be a fun easter egg for fans!"
 
5 days ago  

AdrienVeidt: fallingcow: skyotter: Michael J Faux: I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.

It's obvious he's trying to do a "superheroes for adults" thing, while losing sight that most adults who watch superhero movies want the superheroes they loved as kids.

Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.

The problem is, "for adults" still has to be well-made and well-written. Just making it "dark" doesn't cause it to be "for adults". It causes it to be for no-one.

Snyder seems to have some notion of how to convey character and how to incorporate theme, it's just that his ideas for both are consistently one or more of childish, stupid, or off-putting to audiences. Remarkably, this manifests in practically every part of his films, including visual design. Sticking bad ideas in a movie and making it grim-dark doesn't make a movie "for adults". It just makes a shiatty movie.

That doesn't mean jack shiat when he doesn't understand the characters.


Right, quoth me: it's just that his ideas for both are consistently one or more of childish, stupid, or off-putting to audiences
 
5 days ago  

Alphax: Bslim: Snyder - who was replaced by "Avengers" director Joss Whedon during the film's torturous production - had a darker, longer, less jokey-jokey vision for the movie.

Jokey-jokey? Justice League?
Really?

Barry Allen: 'What was your superpower again?'
Bruce Wayne: 'I'm rich.'

They weren't really funny, but they were there.


The line wasn't wrong.
Not funny, but not wrong.
 
5 days ago  
Snyder made "Batman v. Superman". Stop pretending like Justice League was going to be good.
 
5 days ago  

skyotter: Michael J Faux: I'm obviously not treading new ground here, but it's worth taking a moment and pondering that this is a superhero movie populated by characters created to entertain and distract children that is rated R, practically monochromatic, filled with nightmare-inducing apocalyptic imagery and engineered to be as depressing as contemporary technology can facilitate. Just... I dunno, man.

It's obvious he's trying to do a "superheroes for adults" thing, while losing sight that most adults who watch superhero movies want the superheroes they loved as kids.

Watchmen and Bright and The Boys and Umbrella Academy all prove that there is a market for "superheroes for adults".  The genre can absolutely work, when it's allowed to be its own thing.  But trying to take "superheroes for kids" and make them adult really doesn't work, and just confuses and alienates fans of those superheroes.


It works better in animated form. I happen to F@&%ING LOVE Harley Quinn, but the reason it works is because it doesn't take itself seriously. Like Legends of Tomorrow, it understands just how ridiculous it is and embraces the lunacy.
 
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