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(WTAE)   Well, the gun show was a success... for the police, AG's office   (wtae.com) divider line
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6 days ago  
Biden should take notes; this is more effective than any laws he wants that will die in the  Senate
 
5 days ago  
I had my knew jerk suspicions and after a little googlefu, I found the mugshots. They certainly explain why the cops suddenly took an interest in the problem.
 
5 days ago  

edmo: I had my knew jerk suspicions and after a little googlefu, I found the mugshots. They certainly explain why the cops suddenly took an interest in the problem.


"knee"
 
5 days ago  
I've been to several gun shows. The police should be arresting those fat dudes in camo who smell like they haven't had a shower in two months.
 
5 days ago  
Enforcing already existing laws against straw purchases is about damn time.  Every gun show should have a surveillance presence for straw purchases.
 
5 days ago  
Just another bunch of responsible, law-abiding gun owners.
 
5 days ago  

edmo: I had my knew jerk suspicions and after a little googlefu, I found the mugshots. They certainly explain why the cops suddenly took an interest in the problem.


The second name on the list.
 
5 days ago  

Azlefty: Biden should take notes; this is more effective than any laws he wants that will die in the  Senate


I fully expect this to be all over Fox and Friends as a "sign of things to come in Biden's America" and a "test run for a program that is coming to YOUR state next!"

The following scene occurs to and amuses me:
"Mr. President."
"Yes?"
"I... know how you feel about 'executive time' but I think you should turn on the news."
:click: "...in Biden's America.  Now can you believe that this administration would start taking people's guns before they even cut checks for YOUR relief.  We have Mitch McConnell on the line to answer." :click:
"I did what now?"
"Took their guns, sir."
"Explain."
:explains:
"I feel like there's a lesson here but I can't quite put my finger on it..."
 
5 days ago  
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NUGS AND GUNS BIZNATCH!
 
5 days ago  

mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]


The Founding Fathers definitely intended for me to have a suppressed Uzi for home defense.  Like, I'm 100% positive that was the original intent.  In fact, I'll take two.
 
5 days ago  

Somacandra: Enforcing already existing laws against straw purchases is about damn time.  Every gun show should have a surveillance presence for straw purchases.


In before someone mentions the "GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE OOGA BOOGA!!!11"
 
5 days ago  

jso2897: Just another bunch of responsible, law-abiding gun owners.


Or, the complete opposite of that.
 
5 days ago  

edmo: I found the mugshots. They certainly explain why the cops suddenly took an interest in the problem.


Any excuse to harass POC.
 
5 days ago  
Monroeville Gun Show?

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5 days ago  
So if they're only arresting people of color who are specifically doing something illegal, does this still count as coming for our guns, or no?
 
5 days ago  

Another Government Employee: edmo: I had my knew jerk suspicions and after a little googlefu, I found the mugshots. They certainly explain why the cops suddenly took an interest in the problem.

The second name on the list.


3 of 4 actually.
 
5 days ago  

Somacandra: Enforcing already existing laws against straw purchases is about damn time.  Every gun show should have a surveillance presence for straw purchases.


Seriously. And most of these folks are too dumb to even hide it so it wouldn't be too difficult to catch most of it. It sounded like these folks were passing money in clear sight. And I bet the guy was asking all the questions and picking out the piece, then the gf steps in to make the purchase..
 
5 days ago  
Sounds like it was the Moronville gun show.
 
5 days ago  
GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE OOGA BOOGA!!!11
 
5 days ago  

mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

NUGS AND GUNS BIZNATCH!


Who buys a Taurus?
 
5 days ago  

New Rising Sun: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

The Founding Fathers definitely intended for me to have a suppressed Uzi for home defense.  Like, I'm 100% positive that was the original intent.  In fact, I'll take two.


It's a reproduction. The suppressor isn't functional, it just hides the longer barrel necessary for it to be a legal length rifle. It's not fully automatic either. It's just an ugly pistol caliber carbine.
 
5 days ago  
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Yupperz
Clancy is on da Job.......!
 
5 days ago  

2wolves: Who buys a Taurus?


The G2C/G3C and tx22 are really excellent values for the money. Whatever's in that little box isn't all that large, so maybe it could be one of those.  But, also, people are still panic-buying guns regardless of manufacturer. You can't even find a Hi-Point in stock and those are truly the bottom tier of manufactured firearms.
 
5 days ago  
Maybe the police should look around when checking for garage sale permits.

Yes, you can buy weapons and ammo at garage sales.
 
5 days ago  

New Rising Sun: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

The Founding Fathers definitely intended for me to have a suppressed Uzi for home defense.  Like, I'm 100% positive that was the original intent.  In fact, I'll take two.


Can you explain to me please why a suppressed weapon is any more dangerous than a non suppressed? And have you ever heard an actual suppressed weapon? And a Uzi can be had in semi auto. Basically the same fire rate as a 22 or a deer rifle etc. And of course full auto if youve been vetted byt the feds and buy a stamp. Which spray and pray gangsters arent going to do.
 
5 days ago  

2wolves: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

NUGS AND GUNS BIZNATCH!

Who buys a Taurus?


Rofl, no kidding.
 
5 days ago  
The Taurus G2C is a great beginner sidearm.
Even has a thumb safety, which makes new carriers more confident.  Dryfire it a few thousand times and the trigger shapes right up too.

New shooter has $600.
Prior to 2020, you could pick up a G2C ($189), good holster (supertuck, $50) , 100rds of defense ammo ($60) and a 1000rd case of practice ammo ($200), eye and ear protection, a box of targets, and have some left over for range fees.

Or a Glock G26, with a $9 amazon "paintball" holster and enough ammo to load it exactly once.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather be around someone who'd actually practiced with their new gun.
 
5 days ago  

2wolves: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

NUGS AND GUNS BIZNATCH!

Who buys a Taurus?


Same person that buys a drum mag, apparently.
 
5 days ago  
WAY past time for mandatory registration of firearms, computerised records and tracking.

There's a well documented straw buyer, underground weapons dealer network that feeds firearms from a few high volume retailers in the South to the gangs and crims in the northeast. It would be lovely if the apparent demise of the NRA prompted some aggressive efforts to improve firearms regulation and shut this down, since it's been going on for many, many years.
 
5 days ago  

Elkad: The Taurus G2C is a great beginner sidearm.
Even has a thumb safety, which makes new carriers more confident.  Dryfire it a few thousand times and the trigger shapes right up too.

New shooter has $600.
Prior to 2020, you could pick up a G2C ($189), good holster (supertuck, $50) , 100rds of defense ammo ($60) and a 1000rd case of practice ammo ($200), eye and ear protection, a box of targets, and have some left over for range fees.

Or a Glock G26, with a $9 amazon "paintball" holster and enough ammo to load it exactly once.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather be around someone who'd actually practiced with their new gun.


All 3 of the local guns stores in my area have gen 4 and gen 5 Glock 17/19 and 19x, as well as Beretta M9 and m9a3, and Glock sub compact models in. I bought a new gen 5 Glock 17 for $540 last month. Stock is coming back in. AR parts though, everything from PSA complete rifles being $1300+, to bcm/lmt/kac selling out in seconds, and ammo be garbage tier or a little better for 2x/3x/4x is the real problem. Also, I had longer post about this, but good luck buying anything but airsoft chest rigs, Haley Strategic and Spiritus stock last seconds, minutes at most. Though that was a bit of a problem before as well, unless your okay buying black.
 
5 days ago  
nyan9mm:

All 3 of the local guns stores in my area have gen 4 and gen 5 Glock 17/19 and 19x, as well as Beretta M9 and m9a3, and Glock sub compact models in. I bought a new gen 5 Glock 17 for $540 last month. Stock is coming back in. AR parts though, everything from PSA complete rifles being $1300+, to bcm/lmt/kac selling out in seconds, and ammo be garbage tier or a little better for 2x/3x/4x is the real problem. Also, I had longer post about this, but good luck buying anything but airsoft chest rigs, Haley Strategic and Spiritus stock last seconds, minutes at most. Though that was a bit of a problem before as well, unless your okay buying black.

The current limit on my breakdown compared to 18 months ago is the ammo.
Everything else in the chain is up maybe 20%.  Defense ammo prices are up 150%.  Practice ammo prices are up about 500%. 

I felt like a sucker paying 50c/rnd for junk 9mm several months ago.  Now I wish I'd bought 10,000 rounds instead of 1000.
 
5 days ago  

Elkad: The current limit on my breakdown compared to 18 months ago is the ammo.
Everything else in the chain is up maybe 20%.  Defense ammo prices are up 150%.  Practice ammo prices are up about 500%. 

I felt like a sucker paying 50c/rnd for junk 9mm several months ago.  Now I wish I'd bought 10,000 rounds instead of 1000.


Oh I know lol. I don't know if you remember these, but the purple cased Winchester homeland security training ammo cases? I've seen 9mm, but I only bought a single case of 5.56 at like 37 cents a round. I regretted it for a bit, like why did I buy a thousand rounds of this stuff...yah real funny looking back. The gun store sold me 2x 50 round boxes of federal for normal price from like a year ago+ since I got the gun there, and my dad somehow lucksh*t his away into a cabellas one day as they were restocking and got me 2 more boxes as a gift for Christmas. Everything else has been like 80 cents a round 9mm.
 
5 days ago  

thrillbilly1967: Which spray and pray gangsters arent going to do.


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5 days ago  

Somacandra: Enforcing already existing laws against straw purchases is about damn time.  Every gun show should have a surveillance presence for straw purchases.


Straw purchases happen at retail too. We used to have a code word when we suspected it was happening so we should flag the buyer. It happens a lot and mostly on weekends.
 
5 days ago  

New Rising Sun: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

The Founding Fathers definitely intended for me to have a suppressed Uzi for home defense.  Like, I'm 100% positive that was the original intent.  In fact, I'll take two.


Your point kind of falls apart when you consider citizens had access to canons and explosives back during those times.
 
5 days ago  
Yes, proper tracking would be better than the proposed buyback of AR's
 
5 days ago  
So you only get caught if you straw purchase a firearm for a black felon? And being obvious about it?

Still a win but you need to do more, way more.
 
5 days ago  

Lonestar: So you only get caught if you straw purchase a firearm for a black felon? And being obvious about it?

Still a win but you need to do more, way more.


I wonder how you stop the buying and reporting stolen (if even reported all) to sell to a felon or domestic abuser.
 
5 days ago  

MythDragon: I've been to several gun shows. The police should be arresting those fat dudes in camo who smell like they haven't had a shower in two months.


I'm a heavy guy, Used to be even heavier  But the few times I've found myself in a gun shop, I have seen, without fail, men who have to weigh at least 500 pounds.  Every time.

Only went to one gun show.  Don't remember any floorboard benders, but the weirdo in full Marine dress blues creeped me out quite a bit.  No way this guy was ever a real jarhead.
 
5 days ago  

thrillbilly1967: Can you explain to me please why a suppressed weapon is any more dangerous than a non suppressed? And have you ever heard an actual suppressed weapon? And a Uzi can be had in semi auto. Basically the same fire rate as a 22 or a deer rifle etc. And of course full auto if youve been vetted byt the feds and buy a stamp. Which spray and pray gangsters arent going to do.


Yeah, we are nuts about suppressors.  In a sensible world home defense weapons would always be suppressed.

Flowery Twats: WAY past time for mandatory registration of firearms, computerised records and tracking.

There's a well documented straw buyer, underground weapons dealer network that feeds firearms from a few high volume retailers in the South to the gangs and crims in the northeast. It would be lovely if the apparent demise of the NRA prompted some aggressive efforts to improve firearms regulation and shut this down, since it's been going on for many, many years.


That ship has already sailed.  Ghost guns.

At this point the only thing I see of value is to take a different approach:

Gun licenses, akin to driver's licenses.  They need to be shall-issue (look at what happens in may-issue states.)  Don't worry about tracking purchases or exactly what needs to be tracked--instead, **any** transfer of a firearm outside a directly supervised situation requires seeing the license of the recipient.  (Exceptions:  Transfer to cops or others who are obviously licensed, returning a firearm to the person you got it from, transfer of a gun to a common carrier--the UPS guy doesn't need a license to pick up a package containing a gun.)  The same rule applies to ammunition and gun parts.  Obviously, you don't directly see a license when shipping something, they provide a link that lets you check their license online, the shipment only goes to the address on file for that person.

NFA gets incorporated into this.  Go ahead and track them, but there's no approval process--that's moved to the licensing.  Once you're NFA-licensed you can buy NFA items and walk out the door with them at the time.
 
5 days ago  

New Rising Sun: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

The Founding Fathers definitely intended for me to have a suppressed Uzi for home defense.  Like, I'm 100% positive that was the original intent.  In fact, I'll take two.


In all fairness, a legit suppressed Uzi would probably a better and more practical home defense weapon than what many people actually use (pump shotties, looking at you, and the 95% of people who will short stroke one under stress). It was originally intended to equip people like truck drivers and the like with small, compact weapon to break contact with the enemy and flee.

That said, in this instance, that is almost certainly not suppressed (rather a barrel extension to meet minimum length requirements made to look like a suppressor for cool factor), and is a closed-bolt semi-auto quasi-clone. Essentially, it kinda looks like the real deal, but without the original functionality and is essentially just a stupidly heavy big pistol, it's like having a sports car frame on a subcompact chassis and engine.  It's a range toy/wall hanger for stupid people who buy guns based on looks.
 
5 days ago  

zbtop: New Rising Sun: mrparks: [attorneygeneral.gov image 850x352]

The Founding Fathers definitely intended for me to have a suppressed Uzi for home defense.  Like, I'm 100% positive that was the original intent.  In fact, I'll take two.

In all fairness, a legit suppressed Uzi would probably a better and more practical home defense weapon than what many people actually use (pump shotties, looking at you, and the 95% of people who will short stroke one under stress). It was originally intended to equip people like truck drivers and the like with small, compact weapon to break contact with the enemy and flee.

That said, in this instance, that is almost certainly not suppressed (rather a barrel extension to meet minimum length requirements made to look like a suppressor for cool factor), and is a closed-bolt semi-auto quasi-clone. Essentially, it kinda looks like the real deal, but without the original functionality and is essentially just a stupidly heavy big pistol, it's like having a sports car frame on a subcompact chassis and engine.  It's a range toy/wall hanger for stupid people who buy guns based on looks.


Yeah, I thought real Uzi's were forbidden, at least in public sales.

As for shotguns, they're good for shootin' varmits that dig up your yard and waving around yer daughter's boyfriend in a vein attempt to protect her "honor."
 
5 days ago  

Loren: Gun licenses, akin to driver's licenses.  They need to be shall-issue (look at what happens in may-issue states.)  Don't worry about tracking purchases or exactly what needs to be tracked--instead, **any** transfer of a firearm outside a directly supervised situation requires seeing the license of the recipient.  (Exceptions:  Transfer to cops or others who are obviously licensed, returning a firearm to the person you got it from, transfer of a gun to a common carrier--the UPS guy doesn't need a license to pick up a package containing a gun.)  The same rule applies to ammunition and gun parts.  Obviously, you don't directly see a license when shipping something, they provide a link that lets you check their license online, the shipment only goes to the address on file for that person.


This is basically the law already in IL.

Determining the effectiveness of the IL FOID laws (and the 9-12 month wait it has been taking to actually get said FOID) is left as an exercise for the reader.
 
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