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(Some Guy)   "A surprising number of ivory bison are being born in the West, confounding geneticists, delighting the rest of us, and we hope fulfilling a Native American prophecy of peace and goodwill on earth"   (returntonow.net) divider line
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2021-02-16 8:26:05 AM  
Magical thinking.  Science and reason tell us we're doomed.
 
2021-02-16 8:30:48 AM  
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2021-02-16 8:33:35 AM  
THE WHITE BUFFALO (1977): ALL the White Buffalo scenes
Youtube NnLVhVLX3SU
 
2021-02-16 8:51:38 AM  
Well, now it's going to end up one someone's wall.
 
2021-02-16 8:52:33 AM  
Do they make good piano keys?
 
2021-02-16 8:53:45 AM  

Mycroft_Holmes_IV: Do they make good piano keys?


Ebony looks better.
 
2021-02-16 8:55:51 AM  
You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"
 
2021-02-16 9:00:12 AM  
There is a penis joke about big white horn in there somewhere. I've not had my first cup of coffee yet.
 
2021-02-16 9:01:12 AM  
Thats majestic as hell.
 
2021-02-16 9:01:48 AM  
Rusty from Rin Tin Tin almost got run over by a stampede and was saved by a White Buffalo.
 
2021-02-16 9:02:17 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Magical thinking.  Science and reason tell us we're doomed.


Your SARS blanket is on the way.
 
2021-02-16 9:03:38 AM  
Then 3 wolves attacked and ate it.
 
2021-02-16 9:03:38 AM  

Magorn: You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"


"Were"?
 
2021-02-16 9:04:37 AM  
Lack of wolves.
 
2021-02-16 9:07:46 AM  
Don't tell Ted.
 
2021-02-16 9:16:33 AM  
Peace and good fortune? How did things turn out the last time Native Americans welcomed white members of a species?
 
2021-02-16 9:17:00 AM  
One white buffalo is a good sign (maybe). Bunches of 'em is probably a sign of rising mana levels.

All I'm saying is, don't piss off the Native Americans.
 
2021-02-16 9:19:27 AM  
"A surprising number of ivory bison are being born in the West, confounding geneticists, delighting the rest of us, and we hope fulfilling a Native American prophecy of peace and goodwill on earth,"

Hope has forsaken this world.
 
2021-02-16 9:20:49 AM  
Until the few white buffalo start calling the cops on the other buffalo for grazing in the 'wrong areas'.
 
2021-02-16 9:22:46 AM  

big pig peaches: Lack of wolves.


Yeah.
Same with white tigers and peacocks.

Any sort of protection/lack of predation affords room for recessive traits to flourish that would otherwise be a weakness in "babyhood".

They are pretty neat.
 
2021-02-16 9:29:11 AM  
I have one.
 
2021-02-16 9:30:15 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: One white buffalo is a good sign (maybe). Bunches of 'em is probably a sign of rising mana levels.

All I'm saying is, don't piss off the Native Americans.


What I am hearing is that it's time to break out my cyberpunk wardrobe.
 
2021-02-16 9:31:23 AM  
They love them..

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2021-02-16 9:37:50 AM  
Are they 99.9% pure?
 
2021-02-16 9:44:40 AM  

Mycroft_Holmes_IV: Do they make good piano keys?


Of course not, don't be daft. How would they hold a saw with those hooves?
 
2021-02-16 9:49:56 AM  
and then came the white man
 
2021-02-16 9:52:17 AM  

Magorn: You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"


As it goes, the point is made that the Lakota have forgotten how to communicate with the Creator. The White buffalo woman offers them the sacred pipe and teaches them the seven sacred ways to pray. She departed with a promise to return and restore harmony and spirituality. As she walked away she became a while buffalo calf.

What the Lakota yearn and hope for is peace and goodwill toward men. It's a familiar story in American faith.
 
2021-02-16 9:58:08 AM  
Also surprising, Missouri is in the West.
 
2021-02-16 9:59:34 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Are they 99.9% pure?


99.44%. they also float in water and turn into giant foamy soap clouds when microwaved.
 
2021-02-16 10:00:33 AM  
Ted Nugent - Great White Buffalo (1987)
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2021-02-16 10:01:37 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Magical thinking.  Science and reason tell us we're doomed.


So you're ready for that Buffalo Plains all over North and South Dakota? Ecological science says that it would be a good step, and make sense in a lot of ways.

Oil companies: This will not stand! Magical thinking! You want us to go back to living in trees! We have a stranglehold on your government and you know we'll use it! Assorted white men: Uh, bluh bluh choke spackle bluh. This will not stand!

That kind of science?
 
2021-02-16 10:15:42 AM  
unlikely tag trapped in a blizzard?
 
2021-02-16 10:17:44 AM  

serfdood: [YouTube video: Ted Nugent - Great White Buffalo (1987)]


fark that asshole
 
2021-02-16 10:28:32 AM  
A lot of these are beefalos, so story is invalid. There's a lot of white cattle.

"The phenomenon is becoming more common due to crossbreeding with cattle as a result of attempts by ranchers to save the species from extinction after original populations plummeted to only a few hundred between 1830 and 1900," Hinkle said.

But I guess it's no more fake than Jesus. White buffalos exist, right now.

/CSbuffalo: The bison that live in and around Yellowstone are the only pure bison left, since they were protected and grew back from the original 18 or whatever that were left, after we got done "harvesting" them. The semi-domesticated ones are beefalos, since bison are too wild to domesticate.
The native tribes that are getting bison from Yellowstone want the original bloodlines, but it's not like a sale or anything. They have to apply for years to get through all the paperwork, and Yellowstone bison are like poison to ranchers, since they can carry brucellosis. The bison that go to the natives have been kept in a corral for a couple of years, to be sure that they passed all the tests.

The ranchers all complain bitterly, of course, since they didn't kill off all those Indians and buffalo so that they could come back later, but it's still happening. The tribes in Wyoming and Montana are getting bison herds that they release on their reservations, restoring one little thing, and the only people pissed off about it are ranchers.
 
2021-02-16 10:39:03 AM  

parasol: big pig peaches: Lack of wolves.

Yeah.
Same with white tigers and peacocks.

Any sort of protection/lack of predation affords room for recessive traits to flourish that would otherwise be a weakness in "babyhood".

They are pretty neat.


[TL,DR version at bottom of wall of text]

Since it's a recessive, it can have a high p value (lots of bison with at least one copy) and might have selective benefits in some small populations (for example, places with snow 1/2 the year) in felines, which are IMO the easiest thing to talk about genetics in, the melanistic (black vs regular leopard, etc.) works the same way, it is beneficial for cats in jungles, non-beneficial in savannas, so the black gene's growing in one population and not the other. In feral housecats, gray (dilute) is increasing in fire-prone areas and heavy urban areas in the sunbelt-the gray is selected for avoiding predators (mostly coyotes and birds) and getting less hot in both zones.

Similar to why people sometimes call white tigers Siberian whether they are or not, because the leukocystic variation is beneficial in some parts of the Siberian tiger's range, so they used to be the more common tiger expressing it. Bengal tigers do this with like 4 different colors, each beneficial in some places and not the others, they have a yellow to deep orange, as well as white populations in NE/E India.

Where Buffalo Roamed in the past included areas selecting for redder, whiter and blacker coats than normal. There is a LOT of art of bison from the NE (including Buffalo, LOL) showing dappled bison that we've probably lost the gene for.

Anyways, not sure why I even felt it necessary to mention the above, sometimes the bio prof comes out, because I came here to say that you should not use peacocks in that example because peacocks are NOT selected by predators, or more specifically they are strongly selected by sexual selection, which is why they often develop things contrary to living a long life (it's survival of the fittest TO BREED and young males are those...if they don't live after breeding nature's okay with that.) They are selected with a limited kin selection (lady peacocks prefer males that share their color scheme, which is why when green/blues had overlapping ranges there were not many hybrids) and based on how well they hold the female's interest during mating which is both behavior and uniqueness, so you'd expect the pied gene, which causes both the black-eyed white peacocks and the peacocks with white bands that the ladies find very sexy to increase in the wild over time, although the females only like the solid white ones when they are white AND there are no other males.
[Disclaimer: There ARE arguments about the whys of all of these things, I'm just mentioning the most common theories of peacock selection]
AND I only know this peacock stuff because I live in a rural village in a hanging valley where sounds travel a long way and we have a dumb chicken ban... because the other villages in the valley don't have such bans, and peafowl are considered "exotic pets" (can have) not "fowl" (cannot have) in the local law and I'm thinking of borrowing some peacocks from a local farmer and friend in the next town over so that after the village yells at me for my pet being noisy (which the law says isn't illegal if it's not distressed noises) I can say then why can't I have three QUIET hens?

TL,DR: Selections for white are not always predator attractant, and even can be helpful. Don't think white peacocks exist for the same reason as other white things, because peacocks are weird and loud and chicken bans are dumb and kitties come in all the colors. But yes, we are breeding for white.
 
2021-02-16 10:39:15 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Until the few white buffalo start calling the cops on the other buffalo for grazing in the 'wrong areas'.


The My Little Pony cartoon series already covered that
 
2021-02-16 10:52:01 AM  

LabGrrl: I'm thinking of borrowing some peacocks from a local farmer and friend in the next town over so that after the village yells at me for my pet being noisy (which the law says isn't illegal if it's not distressed noises) I can say then why can't I have three QUIET hens?


I don't think peacocks make non distressed noises
 
2021-02-16 11:11:26 AM  

dryknife: Then 3 wolves attacked and ate it.


more likely some asshole poacher will decide they want a trophy and kill it.
 
2021-02-16 11:14:34 AM  

LabGrrl: Selections for white are not always predator attractant, and even can be helpful. Don't think white peacocks exist for the same reason as other white things, because peacocks are weird and loud and chicken bans are dumb and kitties come in all the colors. But yes, we are breeding for white


Liked your post, ty

I mentioned white peacocks only by way of noting that they are more vulnerable to predation as chicks.

We have them here and have hand raised about half a dozen clutches.  White coloration began creeping in several years ago and the past two seasons there have been a few all white chicks. None of them made it past the first few weeks. They are easy to spot and are preyed on almost immediately while their dirt brown/grey vanish at will.

The current top male breeder is, for lack of a better word, mottled with some white around the breast and a handful of white in his fan.  He's also the most aggressive male we've ever seen.

I'd rather have chickens. :)
 
2021-02-16 11:19:17 AM  

SwiftFox: LabGrrl: I'm thinking of borrowing some peacocks from a local farmer and friend in the next town over so that after the village yells at me for my pet being noisy (which the law says isn't illegal if it's not distressed noises) I can say then why can't I have three QUIET hens?

I don't think peacocks make non distressed noises


They make all sorts of noises.

Hens coo and cluck at the chicks.
Chicks peep like, well, chicks.

The males, during mating season, issue that famed "help!" noise if they hear or see *anything* and when they roost they call back and forth to each other.

The real annoyance is that they crap with more output than Moscovy ducks.
 
2021-02-16 11:52:41 AM  
looks like dad was a polar bear...
 
2021-02-16 12:04:58 PM  

LabGrrl: [Disclaimer: There ARE arguments about the whys of all of these things, I'm just mentioning the most common theories of peacock selection]


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The poor peacocks have disadvantaged themselves with their winning sexual display. It works the same everywhere--you can be all show, no substance, or you can bring something other than the biggest tail to the conversation.

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2021-02-16 12:06:21 PM  
I highly recommend his music. Good stuff - Americana/folk with a kind of bluesy sound.
 
2021-02-16 12:07:11 PM  
To Native Americans, the return of the white buffalo represents the dawning of a new age of good fortune and peace on Earth.

Because all Native Americans have the same beliefs and prophecies.
 
2021-02-16 1:42:53 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: Magorn: You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"

"Were"?


Ikr? It's not like they all suddenly started worshipping supply-side Jebus.
 
2021-02-16 2:08:14 PM  

scalpod: Optimal_Illusion: Magorn: You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"

"Were"?

Ikr? It's not like they all suddenly started worshipping supply-side Jebus.


We're still around, you know.
 
2021-02-16 3:17:45 PM  
Can we just pause and consider how weird it is that we have "ivory" as a color? It's elephant tooth... so "wow, look at that elephant-tooth-colored bison!"
 
2021-02-16 4:22:40 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: scalpod: Optimal_Illusion: Magorn: You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"

"Were"?

Ikr? It's not like they all suddenly started worshipping supply-side Jebus.

We're still around, you know.


Despite all their best efforts. It's amazing, really.
 
2021-02-16 4:55:44 PM  

HailRobonia: Can we just pause and consider how weird it is that we have "ivory" as a color? It's elephant tooth... so "wow, look at that elephant-tooth-colored bison!"


There aren't many things that shade of white in nature. I guess we could call it Narwhal Tusk.
 
2021-02-16 5:01:34 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: Magorn: You know everyone thinks the native peoples were all spiritual and mystic and the White buffalo thing is a prophecy.

I think they were just cynical motherfarkers and it was meant sarcastically as something akin to 'when pigs fly"

"Oh yeah, we'll have peace on earth when white buffalos start roaming the plains"

"Were"?


I think he was referring to the time when the saying originated, not saying they're not (rightly) cynical now.

Considering how divided we are, and how far we've drifted away from truth/facts, we're going to need a whole heard of white buffalo to reverse losses from the past 20 years..
 
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