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2021-02-05 1:13:14 PM  
Ha ha ha.  KISS sucks.  The only reason they got popular is from the stupid makeup, costumes, and pyrotechnics at shows.  As a band, the blew chunks.
 
2021-02-05 1:23:26 PM  
I missed the part where he explains how much he loved his grandpa's music.
 
2021-02-05 1:25:50 PM  
Kiss sings a lot about rock for a pop band. F*ck Gene Simmons, he's a walking puckered asshole.
 
2021-02-05 1:27:00 PM  
It's the children who are wrong.
 
2021-02-05 1:39:58 PM  
That asshole is still alive?
 
2021-02-05 1:42:06 PM  
In fact, Mötley Crüe stole their whole schtick, and did it faster, harder, and with much better musicianship.
 
2021-02-05 1:58:04 PM  
"From 1988 until today, who's the new Beatles?"

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2021-02-05 1:58:08 PM  
Gene Simmons' face looks like asshole skin.
He is a disagreeable, pompous jack wagon.
KISS is candy rock and nothing more.
There is plenty of decent rock music - just not on your FM dial.
No one asked him.
His face looks like asshole skin.

That about cover it?
 
2021-02-05 2:00:46 PM  
He's not completely wrong about the business model, but that same model allows anyone to put their music out there.  Yes, there's far more chaff for the wheat in such a model, but combine performing in small venues with an Internet presence and you'll end up with pretty much the same percentage of folks making it big now as made it big in the 1950s or 1960s.

If Gene wants to biatch, let him biatch about tiny royalties paid to those emerging artists.  Is he saying listeners should pay more?  Bold move, Cotton.  Maybe Gene could sponsor some new bands, instead of just whining.
 
2021-02-05 2:00:48 PM  
Other than being about 10 years off with his time frame, he does have a point.

But yeah, let's just talk about KISS coffins and Gene's wrinkles.  That'll be fun for the hundredth time too.
 
2021-02-05 2:03:09 PM  
KISS is just generic rock music with good packaging.

Say what you want about Gene Simmons, and you can say a lot, he's a marketing genius.
 
2021-02-05 2:06:57 PM  
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2021-02-05 2:11:32 PM  
I'm not sure if Rock is dead, but I think I can safely say that Rock is where Jazz was by the 70s. Fragmented, diluted, and just a general chore to listen.

So, not dead. Just mostly dead.
 
2021-02-05 2:12:53 PM  
"The big secret is in those Motown records, you think everybody is African-American playing the instruments - not so."

No, the big secret is that Detroit put good money into the music programs in public schools and it turned out a generation of students who understood theory and composition.

The big secret is that Motown hired those talented students and nurtured and challenged them.

And while Carol Kaye is immensely talented the real legend from that era was James Jamerson.  carol is certainly deserving of praise and recognition.  But Jamerson is the guy everyone still is trying to figure out how to sound and play like.
 
2021-02-05 2:15:03 PM  
KISS ruined rock and roll when they put out I Was Made For Loving You.
 
2021-02-05 2:15:23 PM  
Thought this would be a Beefheart thread.   You got my hopes up, Subby.   fark Gene Simmons.
 
2021-02-05 2:18:47 PM  

Jake Havechek: Ha ha ha.  KISS sucks.  The only reason they got popular is from the stupid makeup, costumes, and pyrotechnics at shows.  As a band, the blew chunks.


So they put on a great show and were extremely fun to watch live?  Those bastards.
 
2021-02-05 2:22:00 PM  
The first time I got a good look into the mind of Gene Simmons was when Bads Player Magazine did did interview on him and he stated that women cannot play bass. This was right around the time said magazine had Tina Weymouth on the cover.

Eat shiat Chaim.
 
2021-02-05 2:22:25 PM  
Bass player* god...
 
2021-02-05 2:25:38 PM  

Stupid Guitar: I'm not sure if Rock is dead, but I think I can safely say that Rock is where Jazz was by the 70s. Fragmented, diluted, and just a general chore to listen.

So, not dead. Just mostly dead.


Totally agree. Also rock fans are very much gatekeepers. If rock fans don't put aside their differences and stop ragging on the stuff they don't like more than promoting and sharing what they like it's doomed to become a niche format.
 
2021-02-05 2:25:40 PM  
Bullshiat. Reagan and the Republicans killed rock and roll. Before their deregulation, all radio and television stations were required to be independently operated. Now they are all owned by a few corporations and they are are not allowed to choose their programming.

Watch this and notice when rock dies.

https://youtu.be/a3w8I8boc_I
 
2021-02-05 2:27:38 PM  

Supadope: Bullshiat. Reagan and the Republicans killed rock and roll. Before their deregulation, all radio and television stations were required to be independently operated. Now they are all owned by a few corporations and they are are not allowed to choose their programming.

Watch this and notice when rock dies.

https://youtu.be/a3w8I8boc_I


That's when it started but the 1995 telecom act is when everything really went to hell.

/near 30 year radio vet
 
2021-02-05 2:32:08 PM  
Rock music moved to Japan.   Tons of it still happening there, and pretty darn good too.
 
2021-02-05 2:34:50 PM  

Marcos P: The first time I got a good look into the mind of Gene Simmons was when Bads Player Magazine did did interview on him and he stated that women cannot play bass. This was right around the time said magazine had Tina Weymouth on the cover.

Eat shiat Chaim.


Eeesh, he's one to talk. I know he refs it in the article, but that video of Carol Kaye schooling Chaim as he's flailing on that poor bass is just hilarious.

Practically every woman bass player that I can think of is a thousand times the bassist he can ever hope to be. He's just lousy.
 
2021-02-05 2:42:46 PM  

Stupid Guitar: Marcos P: The first time I got a good look into the mind of Gene Simmons was when Bads Player Magazine did did interview on him and he stated that women cannot play bass. This was right around the time said magazine had Tina Weymouth on the cover.

Eat shiat Chaim.

Eeesh, he's one to talk. I know he refs it in the article, but that video of Carol Kaye schooling Chaim as he's flailing on that poor bass is just hilarious.

Practically every woman bass player that I can think of is a thousand times the bassist he can ever hope to be. He's just lousy.


I can't think of a worse bass player off the top of my head....

Maybe Fieldy from Korn.
 
2021-02-05 2:43:14 PM  
you killed the thing that you love.

Well, that explains why Gene Simmons and Kiss are still a thing.
 
2021-02-05 2:45:04 PM  
Hmmm...he's usually not that sensible.  I agree with him for the most part about bass players.  Gave props to Jamerson, McCartney, Kaye.  That's good.

He's somewhat right about the music industry.  Streaming allows just about ANYONE to get  their music out there, which is not something that was available in the past. So that is a benefit.

But yeah, record companies are in it, as always, to make money, so they're not going to take chances on bands like they used to.

Imagine a band being given room by a record company to grow. Just doesn't happen anymore.  First record is a smash?  Second one better be or you're history.

Anyways, Gene is a very nice and kind man.  He is an arrogant prick as well who would monetize everything he sees if he could, but he is very nice to fans and others by most accounts.
 
2021-02-05 2:45:29 PM  
The entertainment landscape is too fractured for there to ever be a Kiss or Nirvana or Stones again.  No more radio and record store gatekeepers.

And what some thought was a love of guitar by everybody was just a love of loud for many and they don't care what makes the loud.
 
2021-02-05 2:55:45 PM  
Rock n roll ... over?
 
2021-02-05 2:55:54 PM  
Do I guess we're gonna green light every weekly interview and article from this chode promoting his new book?

If Gene Simmons knew what good music was, we wouldn't have KISS.
 
2021-02-05 2:56:40 PM  
Gene Simmons is the Bill Maher of rock music. Even if he's right once in a while, none of us really want to hear it.
 
2021-02-05 3:01:05 PM  
KISS - Rock Bottom "Video"
Youtube PG8Mxjx1iOk

says the guy involved with this piece of sh*t.
 
2021-02-05 3:25:41 PM  
It was kinda funny when Anal coont's guitarist heckled Gene.

NSFW.
Gene Simmons Goes After Heckler In Audience - The Vets Auditorium, Prov, RI 11-12-2017
Youtube M7_VuQANEdE

NSFW.

Almost as funny as when he died in a tragic freak mall food court escalator accident. Listen, not a year goes by, not a year, that I don't hear about some escalator accident involving some bastard guitarist which could have easily been avoided had some parent - I don't care which one - but some parent conditioned him to fear and respect that escalator.
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2021-02-05 3:43:18 PM  
Well, rock and roll ruined jazz and big band, so....
 
2021-02-05 4:02:46 PM  

IDisME: Rock music moved to Japan.   Tons of it still happening there, and pretty darn good too.


There is some incredibly great rock n' roll hiding in the UK, from all nations there.
 
2021-02-05 4:20:12 PM  
For band that is famous for makeup, Kiss is rock n roll without "it's all about the music, maaan" makeup
/from my upcoming "Guide to rocken roll"
 
2021-02-05 4:21:41 PM  
Rock and Roll died in the US shortly after the 1996 Telecom Deregulation Act, which caused a massive wave of media consolidation and with it, the consolidation of radio playlists. From that point on, mass appeal, lowest common denominator muzak like Brittney Spears, N*SYNC, and Limp Bizkit dominated the music charts and radio playlists.

/but hey, we all got cellphones, right?
//rock music is still being made here, but it took a long time to recover
 
2021-02-05 4:31:07 PM  

IDisME: Rock music moved to Japan.   Tons of it still happening there, and pretty darn good too.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RtQ-​p​ySHq4
 
2021-02-05 4:35:06 PM  

LewDux: IDisME: Rock music moved to Japan.   Tons of it still happening there, and pretty darn good too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RtQ-p​ySHq4


Math rock.  I love it.  Tricot calls it jumbled rock :)
 
2021-02-05 4:35:17 PM  

germ78: Rock and Roll died in the US shortly after the 1996 Telecom Deregulation Act, which caused a massive wave of media consolidation and with it, the consolidation of radio playlists. From that point on, mass appeal, lowest common denominator muzak like Brittney Spears, N*SYNC, and Limp Bizkit dominated the music charts and radio playlists.

/but hey, we all got cellphones, right?
//rock music is still being made here, but it took a long time to recover


Pop music has always existed.  It existed alongside rock.

Granted, pop music was about a million times better in the 60s and 70s, but it was still bland mass appeal music.

Rock as a genre simply died out.  Which is unfortunate.

/There's a few folk rock groups like the Lumineers (and mumford and sons, but they abandoned that in favor of a bad pop sound) but that's about it.
 
2021-02-05 4:40:28 PM  

jake3988: Rock as a genre simply died out. Which is unfortunate.


Rock and roll is too broad a genre to ever die. "It's not the kind I like" is only a personal disqualifier, not an objective and universally accepted one.
 
2021-02-05 4:41:52 PM  

IDisME: LewDux: IDisME: Rock music moved to Japan.   Tons of it still happening there, and pretty darn good too.

Oblig

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RtQ-p​ySHq4

Math rock.  I love it.  Tricot calls it jumbled rock :)


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2021-02-05 4:42:42 PM  
Jumbled in deed
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2021-02-05 4:48:05 PM  
 
2021-02-05 5:25:21 PM  
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2021-02-05 5:59:17 PM  
Marcos P:
I can't think of a worse bass player off the top of my head....

Maybe Fieldy from Korn.


haha funny story about that:

I used to trash Fieldy all the time for being a horrible bass player (and a horrible person).  I would vote for him as worst bassist in every online poll.

Then one day he showed up at my church where I have been the bass player for 20 years.  He turned out to be extremely nice and very humble and to make me feel even worse, he complimented me on my bass playing.

Then he gave me a free set of strings, and instinctually, I was immediately skeptical.  "yeah what does HE know about bass strings?  Even if he knows about strings, I bet they're extremely high gauge for all that down-tuning and clicking he does.".  They turned out to be the best strings I've ever played.  And six months later, he came back, remembered me, and gave me a new set of strings.

And then he even mailed me two more sets of strings!

/CSB
 
2021-02-05 6:22:58 PM  

IDisME: LewDux: IDisME: Rock music moved to Japan.   Tons of it still happening there, and pretty darn good too.

Oblig

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/FetsZlqm​lWM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RtQ-p​ySHq4

Math rock.  I love it.  Tricot calls it jumbled rock :)


And if you want to talk about bands in costumes, this band pulls it off way better :)

BAND-MAID / Warning! (Official Music Video)
Youtube 9yD3IqrLtPk
 
2021-02-05 6:30:52 PM  
Gene is cosplaying a Marvel supervillain.
He should be Dr. Doom.

Rock isn't dead. Huge rock bands pushed by every outlet in a small media environment is dead. Billion dollar bands are dead.

Streaming allows acts to find their audience. No one is getting rich on the jam band circuit,but they can make a good living. It may not be as huge as some bands, but those fans can often be more loyal, and they keep coming back because the tickets stay affordable. Bands have to tour for their money, just like every band prior to big record companies. Just like madrigals and troubadours and blues musicians and dixieland bands. They can't make a lifetime's worth of money for a few months of studio work. They can't skip the second level markets because they made a million in Los Angeles and Chicago and NYC.
The Beatles area favorite of mine, but at some level they sucked the air out of the room for other bands.

Bands may not be able to own the world anymore, but they can own the room if they are good.
 
2021-02-05 6:39:27 PM  

Skarekrough: "The big secret is in those Motown records, you think everybody is African-American playing the instruments - not so."

No, the big secret is that Detroit put good money into the music programs in public schools and it turned out a generation of students who understood theory and composition.

The big secret is that Motown hired those talented students and nurtured and challenged them.

And while Carol Kaye is immensely talented the real legend from that era was James Jamerson.  carol is certainly deserving of praise and recognition.  But Jamerson is the guy everyone still is trying to figure out how to sound and play like.


Good points now that I read it correctly.....I read James Jamerson as Jenna Jameson at first and was wondering where did I miss the part where we were comparing Motown to porn.
 
2021-02-05 6:49:27 PM  

12349876: The entertainment landscape is too fractured for there to ever be a Kiss or Nirvana or Stones again.  No more radio and record store gatekeepers.

And what some thought was a love of guitar by everybody was just a love of loud for many and they don't care what makes the loud.


I think it's a matter of tastes and technology changing. Before the mid '80s I don't remember anyone I knew who had the capability to play bass heavy music. Whether it was home stereo, car stereo, or headphones you'd get distorted sound trying to play loud bass heavy music. Electric guitars on the other hand were no problem for speakers back then, neither were synths. Crank it up all you want. So that's the music that was happening.

Then subwoofers became affordable and easily available. All my friends had them in their cars and trucks, so did I. That is when we all started listening to rap more and more. You could drive down the street bumpin' sound that people could hear a block away. That's when it became more enjoyable to hear loud bass rather than loud guitars. It wasn't as ear splitting to feel the thump as it was to hear the screeching.

The other thing is attitude. Rock was rebel music for a long time. Your parents would get mad at some of what they heard you playing. Then one day rock was what your grandparents, parents, and you were all listening to, OMG! Meanwhile, rappers became the new scourge of the mainstream. So we all started abandoning rock. The more that old rockers hated rap, the more attractive rap became. Rockers killed rock!
 
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