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TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-04 11:43:51 AM  
I've never met trekkies that seriously thought that Captain Kirk was bisexual.  Even the ones that wrote the most lemony slashfic, usually featuring Spock, knew it was all a big joke.

There's only one bisexual Captain in science fiction that I can think of:

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And he's more pan-sexual or omni-sexual than bisexual.
 
2021-02-04 11:49:29 AM  
Shatnrt?
 
2021-02-04 11:53:21 AM  
I think he's saying HIS Kirk couldn't be gay, because the mores of the time were what they were and it just wasn't a possibility then.  He neglects to consider that Kirk has been reimagined in the decades since, while things have grown more forgiving.

So this controversy looks like it may, at the root of it, be mostly about Shatner being unable to get over himself.  I know, I know, try not to be too shocked.
 
2021-02-04 11:53:24 AM  
Kirk had sex with multiple aliens that stood still in front of him.  Were more than one of the aliens  trans or had multiple types of sex organs? Who knows who cares.
 
2021-02-04 11:54:41 AM  
Shatnrt hits back at "moronic" Trekkies who think Captain Kirk is bisexual

Is that a pejorative?
 
2021-02-04 11:57:51 AM  
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2021-02-04 12:04:57 PM  
Well THIS Capt. Kirk may or may not be bi, but he certainly was progressive enough to uh, get onboard this New Green Deal:

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And then there was his predecessor, Capt. Pike, also in to the Green Deal:

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2021-02-04 12:28:51 PM  
I'm getting a kick..
 
2021-02-04 12:29:54 PM  
Shatner's idea that Roddenberry wouldn't have approved just shows his social unawareness of anyone but himself, Roddenberry was a horndog
 
2021-02-04 12:33:40 PM  

TWX: I've never met trekkies that seriously thought that Captain Kirk was bisexual.  Even the ones that wrote the most lemony slashfic, usually featuring Spock, knew it was all a big joke.

There's only one bisexual Captain in science fiction that I can think of:

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And he's more pan-sexual or omni-sexual than bisexual.


There's NO WAY Zaphod didn't try at least SOMETHING freaky with... ya know...
 
2021-02-04 12:34:23 PM  
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2021-02-04 12:37:26 PM  
"You.  You must be almost 30, have you  ever kissed a girl?!"
 
2021-02-04 12:39:23 PM  
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2021-02-04 12:43:30 PM  
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Kirk on Kirk. Shanter approved coupling!
 
2021-02-04 12:44:21 PM  
Wasn't there one of the dumber movies where he and McCoy were prisoners on some ice planet and he had sex with a shape-shifter who happened to be a woman at that time but then revealed itself to be more "male?" I seem to remember that, but I could be wrong.
 
2021-02-04 12:57:13 PM  

TWX: I've never met trekkies that seriously thought that Captain Kirk was bisexual.  Even the ones that wrote the most lemony slashfic, usually featuring Spock, knew it was all a big joke.

There's only one bisexual Captain in science fiction that I can think of:

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And he's more pan-sexual or omni-sexual than bisexual.


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2021-02-04 12:58:08 PM  
"Kirk, a character, would never have been allowed to be bisexual on TV or the movies in the timeframe he was created.
"If [Star Trek exec] Alex Kurtzman wants his Kirk to be bi; I'm fine with that. I wouldn't cowtow down to mob mentality wanting me to embrace something that didn't currently exist. It still doesn't."

Responding to fans expressing offence at his comments, Shatner hit out at "cancel culture" and added: "Let them be offended. Kirk was a job not a way of life."


He's not wrong.
 
2021-02-04 12:59:35 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Wasn't there one of the dumber movies where he and McCoy were prisoners on some ice planet and he had sex with a shape-shifter who happened to be a woman at that time but then revealed itself to be more "male?" I seem to remember that, but I could be wrong.


ST VI: The Undiscovered Country.

It's been a while, but: It was unclear what the actual gender (if any) of the shape-shifter was. It first appeared as a woman, who Kirk naturally went after. Then it revealed itself to be a shifter by changing to look like Kirk. There was a joke made about how kissing himself must have been his lifelong ambition. It was a helluva shot at Shatner's persona, and I'm surprised he them keep it in. Or maybe he thought they were talking about Kirk, not himself. Bill's not the most introspective guy.
 
2021-02-04 12:59:44 PM  
Clearly Kirk wasn't created to be bi since the show was created in the 60's but that isn't a reason Kirk in universe couldn't be. Hamill is spot on here, it doesn't matter if the character was intended to be one sexual orientation or not what matters is how you view them.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-04 1:00:00 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Wasn't there one of the dumber movies where he and McCoy were prisoners on some ice planet and he had sex with a shape-shifter who happened to be a woman at that time but then revealed itself to be more "male?" I seem to remember that, but I could be wrong.


Sort of.

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Iman portrayed Martia, a shapeshifter, in her 'default' form.  Martia appeared as a roughly human-sized attractive woman (Iman), as a giantess humanoid woman (appearance: Tom Morga, voice: Iman), as a human female child ostensibly for the purpose of getting out of her restraints to facilitate escape (Katie Jane Johnston), and finally as Kirk (Shatner) in order to both fark with him and to attempt to negotiate with the Warden, who shot and disintegrated Martia so there would be no witnesses to the plot.

The movie was decent enough, certainly following the evens-good model for TOS movies.  It also had some of the strongest acting in both the original cast and among the guest stars, and it had the most character development and universe development of the movies.

Since Martia had presented as the sex and appearance that Kirk was attracted to when she essentially seduced him (not that he put up any resistance to the dalliance) it isn't like Kirk was seeking the attention of someone of his own sex.  It was most amusingly lampooned with the exchange, Kirk saying something like, "I can't believe I slept with you!" and false-Kirk replying, "It must've been your lifelong ambition!" essentially making fun of Shatner himself a bit too.
 
2021-02-04 1:05:07 PM  
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"You have been, and always shall be, my friend with benefits."
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-04 1:06:13 PM  

Anenu: Clearly Kirk wasn't created to be bi since the show was created in the 60's but that isn't a reason Kirk in universe couldn't be. Hamill is spot on here, it doesn't matter if the character was intended to be one sexual orientation or not what matters is how you view them.


A Song for People Who Never Watch Star Trek
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/lyrics NSFW
 
2021-02-04 1:07:52 PM  

Two16: "Kirk, a character, would never have been allowed to be bisexual on TV or the movies in the timeframe he was created.
"If [Star Trek exec] Alex Kurtzman wants his Kirk to be bi; I'm fine with that. I wouldn't cowtow down to mob mentality wanting me to embrace something that didn't currently exist. It still doesn't."

Responding to fans expressing offence at his comments, Shatner hit out at "cancel culture" and added: "Let them be offended. Kirk was a job not a way of life."


He's not wrong.


Anyone that uses "Cancel Culture" is wrong.
 
2021-02-04 1:09:37 PM  

gilgigamesh: I think he's saying HIS Kirk couldn't be gay, because the mores of the time were what they were and it just wasn't a possibility then.  He neglects to consider that Kirk has been reimagined in the decades since, while things have grown more forgiving.

So this controversy looks like it may, at the root of it, be mostly about Shatner being unable to get over himself.  I know, I know, try not to be too shocked.


Seeing as how the entirety of 'Sulu is gay' comes out of 'Takei is gay' I'm not sure I see why the actor's input on the character they play is *now* inadmissible.
 
2021-02-04 1:13:53 PM  
Again, you keep using this word
"theory"
i do not think you know what it means.

What you have there is your own fan fiction, that's not a theory, that's just literally you writing your own make believe.
 
2021-02-04 1:22:27 PM  

AdrienVeidt: gilgigamesh: I think he's saying HIS Kirk couldn't be gay, because the mores of the time were what they were and it just wasn't a possibility then.  He neglects to consider that Kirk has been reimagined in the decades since, while things have grown more forgiving.

So this controversy looks like it may, at the root of it, be mostly about Shatner being unable to get over himself.  I know, I know, try not to be too shocked.

Seeing as how the entirety of 'Sulu is gay' comes out of 'Takei is gay' I'm not sure I see why the actor's input on the character they play is *now* inadmissible.


There is also the shirtless Sulu scenes...
 
2021-02-04 1:23:05 PM  
I had thought he was more try-sexual...would try anything sexual.
 
2021-02-04 1:24:13 PM  

optikeye: Two16: "Kirk, a character, would never have been allowed to be bisexual on TV or the movies in the timeframe he was created.
"If [Star Trek exec] Alex Kurtzman wants his Kirk to be bi; I'm fine with that. I wouldn't cowtow down to mob mentality wanting me to embrace something that didn't currently exist. It still doesn't."

Responding to fans expressing offence at his comments, Shatner hit out at "cancel culture" and added: "Let them be offended. Kirk was a job not a way of life."


He's not wrong.

Anyone that uses "Cancel Culture" is wrong.


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2021-02-04 1:29:58 PM  

AdrienVeidt: gilgigamesh: I think he's saying HIS Kirk couldn't be gay, because the mores of the time were what they were and it just wasn't a possibility then.  He neglects to consider that Kirk has been reimagined in the decades since, while things have grown more forgiving.

So this controversy looks like it may, at the root of it, be mostly about Shatner being unable to get over himself.  I know, I know, try not to be too shocked.

Seeing as how the entirety of 'Sulu is gay' comes out of 'Takei is gay' I'm not sure I see why the actor's input on the character they play is *now* inadmissible.


Takei specifically asked that Sulu not be made gay.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-04 1:34:10 PM  

AdrienVeidt: gilgigamesh: I think he's saying HIS Kirk couldn't be gay, because the mores of the time were what they were and it just wasn't a possibility then.  He neglects to consider that Kirk has been reimagined in the decades since, while things have grown more forgiving.

So this controversy looks like it may, at the root of it, be mostly about Shatner being unable to get over himself.  I know, I know, try not to be too shocked.

Seeing as how the entirety of 'Sulu is gay' comes out of 'Takei is gay' I'm not sure I see why the actor's input on the character they play is *now* inadmissible.


If I remember correctly, Takei actually rebuffed that, basically asserting that he was an actor, he played characters how they were written and how he was directed to.  Sulu wasn't gay because the character wasn't written to be.

I take the tack that what we see in the media is what defines the characters.  This is part why Doctor Who character Jack Harkness is so pivotal for the genre, he's a character that isn't simply heterosexual, and while not being simply heterosexual he's not a villain like Baron Harkonnen from Dune was.

This means that the intent of the original writers, screenwriters, and directors are much more important, and as far as I recall, there was nothing in basically any Star Trek other than Riker's dalliance with a character of a single-gender species that implied anything other than a typical heterosexual portrayal.  There's a fairly strong argument that this one place where Star Trek really wasn't groundbreaking and arguably did fail to be inclusive, but as has been pointed out this is a franchise that debuted in the sixties and was running on its original inertia long after that time, and it was only in the late nineties when television writers were willing to start including openly gay characters.  This is long after Star Trek, long after TNG, five seasons into DS9, and a couple of years into the run of Voyager, so it isn't like there was a lot of real-world interest in pursuing that sort of narrative on television within the Star Trek universe.  If anything DS9 dabbled a bit with the mirror-universe Kira Nerys in a catsuit, but there again, villain and alternate universe to boot.

On-screen outside of the mirror-universe Nerys I didn't see any overt animosity towards the idea of same-sex relationships, and if anything they made a half-hearted if ham-handed attempt with the Riker example during TNG, but I don't have any idea about behind-the-scenes feelings on the matter.  I've heard that Shatner as an actor didn't get along with Takei on this but I can't cite any sources, and that doesn't mean that writers and other creative production staff shared Shatner's perspective.

The local Star Trek fanclub I was a member of had a couple of gay members in it, neither of them seemed particularly upset by what they saw on screen either.  Admittedly a sample-size of two people among a club that had perhaps fifty members at its height is just anecdotal.

TLDR the stories can be fun, they reflect the times in which they were written and produced, and attempting to read more into them than was in the stories doesn't really help.
 
2021-02-04 1:34:15 PM  
I find it hard to believe that he only managed to nail smoking hot human females and similar appearing aliens.

The guy had to slum it a Tellarite at some point.
 
2021-02-04 1:37:36 PM  
Actually Kirk being other than heterosexual would explain quite a bit.
 
2021-02-04 1:39:01 PM  

Circusdog320: [Fark user image image 512x387]

Kirk on Kirk. Shanter approved coupling!


It was in the movies, too.

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"It must have been your lifelong dream!"
 
2021-02-04 2:02:47 PM  

Two16: optikeye: Two16: "Kirk, a character, would never have been allowed to be bisexual on TV or the movies in the timeframe he was created.
"If [Star Trek exec] Alex Kurtzman wants his Kirk to be bi; I'm fine with that. I wouldn't cowtow down to mob mentality wanting me to embrace something that didn't currently exist. It still doesn't."

Responding to fans expressing offence at his comments, Shatner hit out at "cancel culture" and added: "Let them be offended. Kirk was a job not a way of life."


He's not wrong.

Anyone that uses "Cancel Culture" is wrong.

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Give it 6 months. You'll be sick as fark of it too. The 'word' not the fact that people want to tell asses to fark off..I like that part. Like mypillow guy can just go fark off. Oh Noesss...it's cancel culture....trying to diminish the fact we're just telling them to fark off with that shait.
 
2021-02-04 2:10:14 PM  

Circusdog320: [Fark user image image 512x387]

Kirk on Kirk. Shanter approved coupling!


Would that be considered masturbation?
 
2021-02-04 2:11:20 PM  
I know people get attached to characters to one extent or another, but really, not every character you like is going to be exactly like you.  In your own head, there are no limits, but to turn around and want absolute certainty that a character is a representation of all your attributes is ridiculous.  Characters can be a lot of things to a great many people, but they can't mirror everyone all the time.
 
2021-02-04 2:13:59 PM  

TWX: Anenu: Clearly Kirk wasn't created to be bi since the show was created in the 60's but that isn't a reason Kirk in universe couldn't be. Hamill is spot on here, it doesn't matter if the character was intended to be one sexual orientation or not what matters is how you view them.

[YouTube video: A Song for People Who Never Watch Star Trek]

/lyrics NSFW


Thanks!  Added the album to my nerd-core playlist
 
2021-02-04 2:18:19 PM  
Shatner On LSD: BACK TO THE SHIP!!!
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you're welcome
 
2021-02-04 2:24:32 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Wasn't there one of the dumber movies where he and McCoy were prisoners on some ice planet and he had sex with a shape-shifter who happened to be a woman at that time but then revealed itself to be more "male?" I seem to remember that, but I could be wrong.


Yes, but she identifies as Iman.
 
2021-02-04 2:32:06 PM  

TWX: AdrienVeidt: gilgigamesh: I think he's saying HIS Kirk couldn't be gay, because the mores of the time were what they were and it just wasn't a possibility then.  He neglects to consider that Kirk has been reimagined in the decades since, while things have grown more forgiving.

So this controversy looks like it may, at the root of it, be mostly about Shatner being unable to get over himself.  I know, I know, try not to be too shocked.

Seeing as how the entirety of 'Sulu is gay' comes out of 'Takei is gay' I'm not sure I see why the actor's input on the character they play is *now* inadmissible.


If I remember correctly, Takei actually rebuffed that, basically asserting that he was an actor, he played characters how they were written and how he was directed to.  Sulu wasn't gay because the character wasn't written to be.


That is correct.  And it's essentially the same thing Shatner is saying.  He's just being a bigger wad about it.
 
2021-02-04 2:35:23 PM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I find it hard to believe that he only managed to nail smoking hot human females and similar appearing aliens.

The guy had to slum it a Tellarite at some point.


Only if he needed them for the chart.

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TWX [TotalFark]
2021-02-04 2:41:14 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: TWX: Anenu: Clearly Kirk wasn't created to be bi since the show was created in the 60's but that isn't a reason Kirk in universe couldn't be. Hamill is spot on here, it doesn't matter if the character was intended to be one sexual orientation or not what matters is how you view them.

[YouTube video: A Song for People Who Never Watch Star Trek]

/lyrics NSFW

Thanks!  Added the album to my nerd-core playlist


their female lead singer is none other than Kiki Stockhammer, of Newtek Video Toaster fame.

Saw them at a convention in 2004 or so, they were pretty awesome.
 
2021-02-04 3:07:50 PM  

TWX: I take the tack that what we see in the media is what defines the characters.  This is part why Doctor Who character Jack Harkness is so pivotal for the genre, he's a character that isn't simply heterosexual, and while not being simply heterosexual he's not a villain like Baron Harkonnen from Dune was.


To be fair, the baron's brain bleach inducing "sexuality" was a minor part of what made him a villain.
 
2021-02-04 3:25:23 PM  
Hmmm...

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2021-02-04 3:41:33 PM  

Badmoodman: Well THIS Capt. Kirk may or may not be bi, but he certainly was progressive enough to uh, get onboard this New Green Deal:

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I prefer her non green but to each their own. 

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I suggest Continuum for filler if anyone has a lull in their quarantine sci-fi shows. It's not that good but it's something.
 
2021-02-04 3:47:37 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Seeing as how the entirety of 'Sulu is gay' comes out of 'Takei is gay' I'm not sure I see why the actor's input on the character they play is *now* inadmissible.


Other people have mentioned it, but I believe Takei was against that.  Where are the hoards of people angry about that?
 
2021-02-04 4:06:50 PM  

optikeye: Shatner's idea that Roddenberry wouldn't have approved just shows his social unawareness of anyone but himself, Roddenberry was a horndog


from TFA:

"George Takei, who played Hikaru Sulu in the original 1965 TV series, previously said he pitched the idea of doing a gay-themed Star Trek episode, but it was shot down by Roddenberry.
Speaking in 2014, Takei explained: "He said that if we pushed the envelope too far, then we wouldn't be able to deal with any issues at all, and indeed, when we had the [interracial] Kirk-Uhura kiss - we were blacked out in the South, and our ratings plummeted."
 
2021-02-04 4:10:04 PM  
Men are not allowed to be "bisexual" and everybody knows that.

I managed to string together some words of Spanish while visiting Costa Rica,

but I don't call myself BI-lingual
 
2021-02-04 4:37:22 PM  
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2021-02-04 4:38:50 PM  

kuros_overkill: optikeye: Shatner's idea that Roddenberry wouldn't have approved just shows his social unawareness of anyone but himself, Roddenberry was a horndog

from TFA:

"George Takei, who played Hikaru Sulu in the original 1965 TV series, previously said he pitched the idea of doing a gay-themed Star Trek episode, but it was shot down by Roddenberry.
Speaking in 2014, Takei explained: "He said that if we pushed the envelope too far, then we wouldn't be able to deal with any issues at all, and indeed, when we had the [interracial] Kirk-Uhura kiss - we were blacked out in the South, and our ratings plummeted."


I'm not sure about the 'blacked out' part. It was aired at odd times that kept changing on it's original release.

It never became popular until it went into syndication. There may have been some station managers that refused to air the show after it went into syndication, but here in 'bama I saw it in syndication in the 70 at it's friendly after school time slot.... ST didn't get popular until syndication, its rateing where plumpeting in first run 'prime time' far before the kiss. Yup, some may have pulled that episode from syndication showings in the late 60's early 70's, but I don't remember any boycott. It played here. And you'd really have to go to Ohio or Boston to find a place more racist than 'Bama.

Ahhhh...IT was NBC "hollywood" guys that wanted to recut it for the South to protect their money bags.
Not racist station managers.
https://timeline.com/star-trek-interr​a​cial-kiss-ba0948687788

In fact, the scene wasn't intended for the entire country to see. NBC executives were concerned the kiss would anger viewers in the South. According to reports, they planned to censor the kiss from Southern viewers entirely, showing only an embrace.
 
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