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2021-01-31 5:43:31 PM  
Good. Who the hell needs to go faster than the maximum speed limit anyway. I believe all motor vehicles should have speed limiters on them to prevent them from going that fast. When cars go from being simple transportation mode to a plaything, they need to be strictly used on a playground (closed track), not public highways.
 
2021-01-31 6:22:02 PM  
There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.
 
2021-01-31 6:24:35 PM  

ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.


Yeah but have you met every bmw owner?
 
2021-01-31 6:33:26 PM  

Gubbo: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Yeah but have you met every bmw owner?


Good sir, I live in Los Angeles, CA.  I am overly familiar with not only the various blends of BMW owner, but also the Mercedes, Porsche, Range Rover, Camaro, Mustang, Prius, and super car varietals.  Like many a spoiled wine, they take what should be a beautiful thing and give it the taste of vinegar.
 
2021-01-31 6:36:18 PM  

TwowheelinTim: Good. Who the hell needs to go faster than the maximum speed limit anyway. I believe all motor vehicles should have speed limiters on them to prevent them from going that fast. When cars go from being simple transportation mode to a plaything, they need to be strictly used on a playground (closed track), not public highways.


In Japan, the GT-R had a novel solution I'm surprised hasn't caught on.  The maximum speed of the car was something like 120 MPH, however, when the GPS detected you were on a race track, the top speed limiter was disabled.

120 MPH was still a bit too fast though.
 
2021-01-31 6:47:54 PM  

Glitchwerks: TwowheelinTim: Good. Who the hell needs to go faster than the maximum speed limit anyway. I believe all motor vehicles should have speed limiters on them to prevent them from going that fast. When cars go from being simple transportation mode to a plaything, they need to be strictly used on a playground (closed track), not public highways.

In Japan, the GT-R had a novel solution I'm surprised hasn't caught on.  The maximum speed of the car was something like 120 MPH, however, when the GPS detected you were on a race track, the top speed limiter was disabled.

120 MPH was still a bit too fast though.


You see I come at this from the opposite side. I think of it from the German fark it it's a very good road, a very safe road, go as fast as you're comfortable with school of thought.

For me that's normally somewhere in the high 80s to low 90s.
 
2021-01-31 7:47:52 PM  

Gubbo: You see I come at this from the opposite side. I think of it from the German fark it it's a very good road, a very safe road, go as fast as you're comfortable with school of thought.

For me that's normally somewhere in the high 80s to low 90s.


Germany has far higher standards for automobile ownership and operation.  Americans drive like ass and the majority of them have absolutely no business being on the road.
 
2021-01-31 8:00:13 PM  
Most roads in the US aren't maintained well enough to support really high speeds -- and they aren't built for them.  Even the big interstate highways are not designed for traffic going a hundred miles an hour.

This often doesn't seem relevant to people who only think they know how to drive fast, but when they crest a mild rise at a hundred and try to negotiate a mild curve, and the vehicle bobbles and yaws because its weight isn't planted evenly . . . they crash without even knowing what went wrong.

Even if there's no traffic, most vehicles capable of high speeds don't have the suspension and aerodynamics for it.  Downforce isn't just about maximum G's in a turn.  It's about how suddenly poorly a vehicle handles when its weight is mostly in the air, or when fewer than four wheels have sufficient grip.
 
2021-01-31 8:06:55 PM  
The problem with americans is so many suck the dick of car companies that supply displacement instead of all around performance, that we cry when a huge displacement engine goes the way of the dodo. There's something to be said about real world performance when you can't weave through traffic.
 
2021-01-31 8:12:46 PM  
No, stop, come back...
 
2021-01-31 8:59:01 PM  
All us gear heads knew it was coming, The transition away from ICE is starting in earnest.
 
2021-01-31 9:01:21 PM  
A real Hellcat has a 18 cylinder radial
 
2021-01-31 10:15:09 PM  

whither_apophis: A real Hellcat has a 18 cylinder radial


This.

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2021-01-31 11:04:37 PM  

TwowheelinTim: Good. Who the hell needs to go faster than the maximum speed limit anyway. I believe all motor vehicles should have speed limiters on them to prevent them from going that fast. When cars go from being simple transportation mode to a plaything, they need to be strictly used on a playground (closed track), not public highways.


Have you ever been to America?
 
2021-02-01 12:04:02 AM  

RandomAxe: Most roads in the US aren't maintained well enough to support really high speeds -- and they aren't built for them.  Even the big interstate highways are not designed for traffic going a hundred miles an hour.

This often doesn't seem relevant to people who only think they know how to drive fast, but when they crest a mild rise at a hundred and try to negotiate a mild curve, and the vehicle bobbles and yaws because its weight isn't planted evenly . . . they crash without even knowing what went wrong.

Even if there's no traffic, most vehicles capable of high speeds don't have the suspension and aerodynamics for it.  Downforce isn't just about maximum G's in a turn.  It's about how suddenly poorly a vehicle handles when its weight is mostly in the air, or when fewer than four wheels have sufficient grip.


Training gap is huge as well.  Everyone gets a license here at 16, over there it is actual work.
 
2021-02-01 12:07:47 AM  
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2021-02-01 12:12:50 AM  
The 5.7 HEMI in my Ram is plenty powerful enough for me, thanks. I already have to go easy on the gas in anything but perfectly dry conditions or I can start to cut loose. A Hellcat would be fun on wide open roads, but it's far from practical for daily driving.
 
2021-02-01 12:18:53 AM  
Oh no, Dodge will be even more pointless
 
2021-02-01 12:36:03 AM  

dumbobruni: Oh no, Dodge will be even more pointless


dumbobruni: Oh no, Dodge will be even more pointless


dumbobruni: Oh no, Dodge will be even more pointless


Every Dodge I see screams of "I've never heard of reliability reviews"

Although I do like their muscle cars. It's big dumb fun, until dipshiats buy one. Or you just want to put your mechanic's kid through college.
 
2021-02-01 12:36:43 AM  

RandomAxe: Most roads in the US aren't maintained well enough to support really high speeds -- and they aren't built for them.  Even the big interstate highways are not designed for traffic going a hundred miles an hour.

This often doesn't seem relevant to people who only think they know how to drive fast, but when they crest a mild rise at a hundred and try to negotiate a mild curve, and the vehicle bobbles and yaws because its weight isn't planted evenly . . . they crash without even knowing what went wrong.

Even if there's no traffic, most vehicles capable of high speeds don't have the suspension and aerodynamics for it.  Downforce isn't just about maximum G's in a turn.  It's about how suddenly poorly a vehicle handles when its weight is mostly in the air, or when fewer than four wheels have sufficient grip.


Dude, that's all easily solved by putting a larger spoiler on my Civic.
 
2021-02-01 12:41:31 AM  
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Much pointless
Such Felicia
Bye,
 
2021-02-01 1:04:12 AM  

RandomAxe: Most roads in the US aren't maintained well enough to support really high speeds -- and they aren't built for them.  Even the big interstate highways are not designed for traffic going a hundred miles an hour.

This often doesn't seem relevant to people who only think they know how to drive fast, but when they crest a mild rise at a hundred and try to negotiate a mild curve, and the vehicle bobbles and yaws because its weight isn't planted evenly . . . they crash without even knowing what went wrong.

Even if there's no traffic, most vehicles capable of high speeds don't have the suspension and aerodynamics for it.  Downforce isn't just about maximum G's in a turn.  It's about how suddenly poorly a vehicle handles when its weight is mostly in the air, or when fewer than four wheels have sufficient grip.


This is absolute bullshiat. American roads, at least major roads, are just fine for high speed driving until you get to truly ludicrous numbers. I've owned very fast cars - they don't get remotely iffy until you're north of 150.

And just about any vehicle manufactured in the last 20 years is perfectly capable and safe to drive at high 2-digit or low 3-digit speeds. The cheapest car sold in the US right now can cruise at 100 with absolutely no worry about aerodynamics or suspension issues.

Hell, both of those things have been true since the mid 90s.
 
2021-02-01 1:13:19 AM  
Yeah, when a base model electric sedan can beat you on a drag strip it's time to think about hanging it up.
 
2021-02-01 2:18:43 AM  
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Ever fall in love with a Chevy
Ever fall in love with a Ford
Ever felt the torque of a Hemi
Ever seen the face of the lord
 
2021-02-01 2:39:31 AM  
The engine is worth 40K, no questions asked.

It's probably because of the insurance.
 
2021-02-01 4:06:04 AM  

TwowheelinTim: Good. Who the hell needs to go faster than the maximum speed limit anyway. I believe all motor vehicles should have speed limiters on them to prevent them from going that fast. When cars go from being simple transportation mode to a plaything, they need to be strictly used on a playground (closed track), not public highways.


Lol. How about bicyclists behave like responsible adults first, and then we'll talk.
 
2021-02-01 4:06:32 AM  

ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.


Jealous-like typing detected.
 
2021-02-01 5:24:26 AM  

ShavedOrangutan: Gubbo: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Yeah but have you met every bmw owner?

Good sir, I live in Los Angeles, CA.  I am overly familiar with not only the various blends of BMW owner, but also the Mercedes, Porsche, Range Rover, Camaro, Mustang, Prius, and super car varietals.  Like many a spoiled wine, they take what should be a beautiful thing and give it the taste of vinegar.


I have a 320i and it's just a grocery getter.
 
2021-02-01 5:36:36 AM  

gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.


Lol. If someone gave me a brand new hellcat today, I'd trade it sight unseen for a model y or mach e. And I'm a mechanical engineer.

The ICE is a beautiful mess of bolted on solutions to unnecessary problems. It is a testament to our evolution as engineers, and belongs in museums, not churches.
 
2021-02-01 6:14:28 AM  

H31N0US: gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.

Lol. If someone gave me a brand new hellcat today, I'd trade it sight unseen for a model y or mach e. And I'm a mechanical engineer.

The ICE is a beautiful mess of bolted on solutions to unnecessary problems. It is a testament to our evolution as engineers, and belongs in museums, not churches.


As a guy who applauded the penis size of the guy who traded the Corvette for a Mitsubishi Outlander a few weeks ago, I obviously do not belong here. You all have fun now. I am going skiing. I think everyone should have hobbies where they can go real fast, turn sharply, and flirt with disaster. As hobby machines, I applaud this V8 in the same spirit I applaud Teslamobiles. This is not a discussion about transportation.

I will be back for the solid state battery threads coming, well, "any day now". It is going to be epic.
 
2021-02-01 6:21:28 AM  

Lusiphur: RandomAxe: Most roads in the US aren't maintained well enough to support really high speeds -- and they aren't built for them.  Even the big interstate highways are not designed for traffic going a hundred miles an hour.

This often doesn't seem relevant to people who only think they know how to drive fast, but when they crest a mild rise at a hundred and try to negotiate a mild curve, and the vehicle bobbles and yaws because its weight isn't planted evenly . . . they crash without even knowing what went wrong.

Even if there's no traffic, most vehicles capable of high speeds don't have the suspension and aerodynamics for it.  Downforce isn't just about maximum G's in a turn.  It's about how suddenly poorly a vehicle handles when its weight is mostly in the air, or when fewer than four wheels have sufficient grip.

This is absolute bullshiat. American roads, at least major roads, are just fine for high speed driving until you get to truly ludicrous numbers. I've owned very fast cars - they don't get remotely iffy until you're north of 150.

And just about any vehicle manufactured in the last 20 years is perfectly capable and safe to drive at high 2-digit or low 3-digit speeds. The cheapest car sold in the US right now can cruise at 100 with absolutely no worry about aerodynamics or suspension issues.

Hell, both of those things have been true since the mid 90s.


This is just true. US highways accommodate amazing speeds. There are rough patches to be sure, but generally.... I do not get claustrophobic on Japan highways, but let's just say that American highways have quite a margin for error. Together with much safer and better cars, people are quite comfortable finding those upper limits of safe speed. And they do.
 
2021-02-01 6:34:19 AM  

2fardownthread: solid state battery threads coming, well, "any day now"


Really?! 😍
 
2021-02-01 6:36:17 AM  

Glitchwerks: TwowheelinTim: Good. Who the hell needs to go faster than the maximum speed limit anyway. I believe all motor vehicles should have speed limiters on them to prevent them from going that fast. When cars go from being simple transportation mode to a plaything, they need to be strictly used on a playground (closed track), not public highways.

In Japan, the GT-R had a novel solution I'm surprised hasn't caught on.  The maximum speed of the car was something like 120 MPH, however, when the GPS detected you were on a race track, the top speed limiter was disabled.

120 MPH was still a bit too fast though.


Speed limiters are not the hardest thing to remove: I run a older Nissan GTR ECU in my Holden.... a hex editor can fix that issue (and much more besides)

I think the biggest issue with higher speeds (besides wildlife) is the lack of refueling options. There simply isn't any viable reasons to go at higher speeds: double the speed, quadruple the drag.

This isn't a ICE issue but a inherent drag problem. Power wise I can wind the Speedo clean round the clock...
 
2021-02-01 6:49:14 AM  

2fardownthread: H31N0US: gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.

Lol. If someone gave me a brand new hellcat today, I'd trade it sight unseen for a model y or mach e. And I'm a mechanical engineer.

The ICE is a beautiful mess of bolted on solutions to unnecessary problems. It is a testament to our evolution as engineers, and belongs in museums, not churches.

As a guy who applauded the penis size of the guy who traded the Corvette for a Mitsubishi Outlander a few weeks ago, I obviously do not belong here. You all have fun now. I am going skiing. I think everyone should have hobbies where they can go real fast, turn sharply, and flirt with disaster. As hobby machines, I applaud this V8 in the same spirit I applaud Teslamobiles. This is not a discussion about transportation.

I will be back for the solid state battery threads coming, well, "any day now". It is going to be epic.


Do you smell toast right now?
 
2021-02-01 7:00:43 AM  

gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.


No one is jealous of a Hellcat owner.  I see a Charger or Challenger Hellcat, and think "Trump-voting douchebag who will make a lot of noise at a stoplight".
I just bought a VW Arteon. 4-cylinder engine. It's comfortable and quiet. It also has seats that blow cold air onto my ass which is nice for Florida. My wife likes the cooling seats for her hot flashes.
People look at me and think "Just another middle-aged white guy in a Volkswagen".
 
2021-02-01 8:13:48 AM  

2fardownthread: H31N0US: gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.

Lol. If someone gave me a brand new hellcat today, I'd trade it sight unseen for a model y or mach e. And I'm a mechanical engineer.

The ICE is a beautiful mess of bolted on solutions to unnecessary problems. It is a testament to our evolution as engineers, and belongs in museums, not churches.

As a guy who applauded the penis size of the guy who traded the Corvette for a Mitsubishi Outlander a few weeks ago, I obviously do not belong here. You all have fun now. I am going skiing. I think everyone should have hobbies where they can go real fast, turn sharply, and flirt with disaster. As hobby machines, I applaud this V8 in the same spirit I applaud Teslamobiles. This is not a discussion about transportation.

I will be back for the solid state battery threads coming, well, "any day now". It is going to be epic.


You applauded the genitalia of a stranger?  Is say you're right where you should be.
 
2021-02-01 8:17:24 AM  
What would you rather have, a big, thirsty V8 or a planet capable of sustaining human civilization?

The days of the internal combustion engine are numbered, and they have to be for our sake. I like my '99 Disco 2 in all of its 14 MPG glory, but when the time comes, I'll happily see it off to the junkyard. I've already started looking at how to electrify a vehicle. I'm thinking either a Miata or an early 70s Corvette.
 
2021-02-01 8:19:11 AM  
Can you imagine what your life would be like if you thought people were jealous of your Dodge?  A Dodge.  The company which stopped updating its cars 11 years ago.  The company which mainly serves as a way of getting subprime loans to strippers.

A Dodge. Jealous of a Dodge.
 
2021-02-01 8:56:48 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.

No one is jealous of a Hellcat owner.  I see a Charger or Challenger Hellcat, and think "Trump-voting douchebag who will make a lot of noise at a stoplight".
I just bought a VW Arteon. 4-cylinder engine. It's comfortable and quiet. It also has seats that blow cold air onto my ass which is nice for Florida. My wife likes the cooling seats for her hot flashes.
People look at me and think "Just another middle-aged white guy in a Volkswagen".


They also think, "Boy is he in for a rude surprise the minute it's out of warranty"
 
2021-02-01 8:58:26 AM  

The Madd Mann: What would you rather have, a big, thirsty V8 or a planet capable of sustaining human civilization?

The days of the internal combustion engine are numbered, and they have to be for our sake. I like my '99 Disco 2 in all of its 14 MPG glory, but when the time comes, I'll happily see it off to the junkyard. I've already started looking at how to electrify a vehicle. I'm thinking either a Miata or an early 70s Corvette.


Hellcat has better fuel economy. You should scrap your vehicle and get one for the good of the environment.
 
2021-02-01 9:03:22 AM  
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2021-02-01 9:14:24 AM  
Miata MPG cty/hwy: 26/35

Hellcat SRT cty/hwy: 13/22
 
2021-02-01 9:30:22 AM  
See Hellcat vs Tesla ... Model 3
 
2021-02-01 9:43:28 AM  
It's been covered, but anyone that's ever driven a Tesla--any model--would understand. The V8 won't be missed for performance. Nostalgia? Sure, people will lament they can't "smell" the engine anymore. But if you want eye-watering acceleration, electric is the future.
 
2021-02-01 9:44:45 AM  

gar1013: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.

No one is jealous of a Hellcat owner.  I see a Charger or Challenger Hellcat, and think "Trump-voting douchebag who will make a lot of noise at a stoplight".
I just bought a VW Arteon. 4-cylinder engine. It's comfortable and quiet. It also has seats that blow cold air onto my ass which is nice for Florida. My wife likes the cooling seats for her hot flashes.
People look at me and think "Just another middle-aged white guy in a Volkswagen".

They also think, "Boy is he in for a rude surprise the minute it's out of warranty"


My Touareg diesel is 7 years old and has given me zero problems. I'm good with VW.
 
2021-02-01 10:57:04 AM  
I have a Toyota crossover that I hope to get another 8 years or so out of, hopefully it's my last gas powered car.

I have an old truck that should convert pretty easily to electric.
 
2021-02-01 11:48:14 AM  

H31N0US: Miata MPG cty/hwy: 26/35

Hellcat SRT cty/hwy: 13/22


Miata:  the car equivalent of doing CrossFit or being a vegan.
 
2021-02-01 11:49:27 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: gar1013: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: gar1013: ShavedOrangutan: There are certain vehicles only driven by assholes.  This is one of them.

Jealous-like typing detected.

No one is jealous of a Hellcat owner.  I see a Charger or Challenger Hellcat, and think "Trump-voting douchebag who will make a lot of noise at a stoplight".
I just bought a VW Arteon. 4-cylinder engine. It's comfortable and quiet. It also has seats that blow cold air onto my ass which is nice for Florida. My wife likes the cooling seats for her hot flashes.
People look at me and think "Just another middle-aged white guy in a Volkswagen".

They also think, "Boy is he in for a rude surprise the minute it's out of warranty"

My Touareg diesel is 7 years old and has given me zero problems. I'm good with VW.


You mean the engine that skirted pollution requirements?
 
2021-02-01 11:52:38 AM  

H31N0US: Miata MPG cty/hwy: 26/35

Hellcat SRT cty/hwy: 13/22


I'm eagerly awaiting the drag race video between a Hellcat and a Plaid+ Model S.
 
2021-02-01 11:55:53 AM  
I laugh at the people on here that are worried about it's mileage.  they sold 50,000 of these at the same time as 75 million other cars were sold in USA.
 
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