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2021-01-28 1:15:14 AM  
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2021-01-28 1:39:25 AM  
My interest in Paige Spiranac's opinion fell off sharply after seeing her rack and Wiki description.
 
2021-01-28 3:00:53 AM  
Or Pete Rose or Shoeless Joe or.
 
2021-01-28 3:21:28 AM  
Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.
 
2021-01-28 3:51:14 AM  
Paige Spiranac has two obvious, in-your-face messages for everyone, though the bluntness is reduced somewhat when it's cold.
 
2021-01-28 3:59:57 AM  
on topic: put in the roiders with the stats to be there. explain the context of theirs and others' known cheating (greenie users, Gaylord Perry, etc.). acknowledge the role of Bud Selig - who's in the Hall himself - in enabling PED use, as well as that the complete history of baseball isn't all sunshine and innocence. have something on Pete Rose recognizing his achievements, but don't induct him because he broke the cardinal rule of the sport.
 
2021-01-28 4:12:22 AM  
Bonds is arguably the greatest player in the history of the game.

hahahahha fark no. No one has ever been as good, or will ever be as good, as the japanese baseball god Ichiro Suzuki


Especially not some roided up jackoff
 
2021-01-28 4:12:31 AM  

virulent_loser: on topic: put in the roiders with the stats to be there. explain the context of theirs and others' known cheating (greenie users, Gaylord Perry, etc.). acknowledge the role of Bud Selig - who's in the Hall himself - in enabling PED use, as well as that the complete history of baseball isn't all sunshine and innocence. have something on Pete Rose recognizing his achievements, but don't induct him because he broke the cardinal rule of the sport.


Have I mentioned I like you? That's a well reasoned take, and I super dig chicks that can talk baseball. Next time the A's travel to the White Sox, I could pick you up...?
 
2021-01-28 4:19:49 AM  

lifeslammer: No one has ever been as good, or will ever be as good, as the japanese baseball god Ichiro Suzuki


I wish his entire career, meaning his stats, were in the MLB. I still think Henderson is greater player*, but Suzuki is a better person.

*I should check the projected stats for Ichiro, my impression is Ichiro slightly better on defense but Henderson significantly better other side of ball
 
2021-01-28 4:20:04 AM  

Frederick: virulent_loser: on topic: put in the roiders with the stats to be there. explain the context of theirs and others' known cheating (greenie users, Gaylord Perry, etc.). acknowledge the role of Bud Selig - who's in the Hall himself - in enabling PED use, as well as that the complete history of baseball isn't all sunshine and innocence. have something on Pete Rose recognizing his achievements, but don't induct him because he broke the cardinal rule of the sport.

Have I mentioned I like you? That's a well reasoned take, and I super dig chicks that can talk baseball. Next time the A's travel to the White Sox, I could pick you up...?


well, thank you kindly. :) except I'm a Cubs fan and abhor the White Sox.
 
2021-01-28 4:26:42 AM  
Just make a few wing or a few walls to acknowledge the steroid era and be done with it. Ignoring a massive chunk of baseball history is just ignorant at this point.
 
2021-01-28 4:31:27 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Just make a few wing or a few walls to acknowledge the steroid era and be done with it. Ignoring a massive chunk of baseball history is just ignorant at this point.


Or just change the sign on the outside to the Hall of Guys Who Didn't Get Caught

/even Junior
 
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2021-01-28 5:00:51 AM  
A crazy, 'roided out hitter does not make the greatest player to ever play the game.  Screw you, dude, and f*ck you Barry Bonds.  Drag Roger Clemens to hell with you when you go.
 
2021-01-28 5:10:25 AM  
When you decide to cheat you disqualify yourself for the HpF.

You make an extra $50 million or $100 million or whatever so you make that choice.
 
2021-01-28 5:26:33 AM  
That would be true if it was the "Drug-taking cheating athlete" hall of fame.
 
2021-01-28 5:34:25 AM  
None of the roids players are going to get in; no bonds, Sosa, or McGuire.
 
2021-01-28 5:40:55 AM  

Mr_Vimes: That would be true if it was the "Drug-taking cheating athlete" hall of fame.


Yeah.  If.

The PED war was launched in about 1965 and it is long since over.  PED won and it gets letters from the AARP.

The problem is like cheating on an exam.  You have to get a few answers wrong.  When your name ends up on the top of a leaders lists, the professor already knew you cheated but now he has to do something about it.
 
2021-01-28 6:16:14 AM  

virulent_loser: Frederick: virulent_loser: on topic: put in the roiders with the stats to be there. explain the context of theirs and others' known cheating (greenie users, Gaylord Perry, etc.). acknowledge the role of Bud Selig - who's in the Hall himself - in enabling PED use, as well as that the complete history of baseball isn't all sunshine and innocence. have something on Pete Rose recognizing his achievements, but don't induct him because he broke the cardinal rule of the sport.

Have I mentioned I like you? That's a well reasoned take, and I super dig chicks that can talk baseball. Next time the A's travel to the White Sox, I could pick you up...?

well, thank you kindly. :) except I'm a Cubs fan and abhor the White Sox.


ok, but....Oakland only goes to Wrigley once every four years. Plus I still blame the Cubs for Jon Lester!
 
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2021-01-28 6:28:08 AM  
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DINGERS!  DINGERS!

What must it be like to hit such heights only to undermine all of it?   I guess they call it the Barry Bonds story on Lifetime.
 
2021-01-28 6:33:36 AM  

Frederick: virulent_loser: Frederick: virulent_loser: on topic: put in the roiders with the stats to be there. explain the context of theirs and others' known cheating (greenie users, Gaylord Perry, etc.). acknowledge the role of Bud Selig - who's in the Hall himself - in enabling PED use, as well as that the complete history of baseball isn't all sunshine and innocence. have something on Pete Rose recognizing his achievements, but don't induct him because he broke the cardinal rule of the sport.

Have I mentioned I like you? That's a well reasoned take, and I super dig chicks that can talk baseball. Next time the A's travel to the White Sox, I could pick you up...?

well, thank you kindly. :) except I'm a Cubs fan and abhor the White Sox.

ok, but....Oakland only goes to Wrigley once every four years. Plus I still blame the Cubs for Jon Lester!


well, this is true. I'd much rather see the Twins though. do the A's AAA club ever play the I-Cubs? now that I'm back in the DSM area I'm looking forward to live baseball after the rona (so maybe before the decade is out...) what did Lester/the Cubs do to the A's?
 
2021-01-28 6:41:45 AM  
Hall of Famers throw out Sid Bream
 
2021-01-28 7:04:05 AM  

Frederick: lifeslammer: No one has ever been as good, or will ever be as good, as the japanese baseball god Ichiro Suzuki

I wish his entire career, meaning his stats, were in the MLB. I still think Henderson is greater player*, but Suzuki is a better person.

*I should check the projected stats for Ichiro, my impression is Ichiro slightly better on defense but Henderson significantly better other side of ball


Ichiro is the only person in history to have 10 seasons in a row with 200+ hits. He was able to do that because of his unique combination of speed and soft power, which let him put the ball in play in places that no one else could even hope to get a hit off of. The vast majority of his hits are either infield ground balls or short outfield singles

The scariest thing though?


Only once in his MLB career did Ichiro finish a game with his career batting average below .300. That came when he took an 0-for-4 in his second game as a rookie, making him 2-for-9 (.222) overall. He promptly went 2-for-4 in the next game and never looked back.

https://www.mlb.com/news/20-amazing-f​a​cts-about-ichiro-suzuki-s-career-c2751​07436
 
2021-01-28 7:12:03 AM  
The ped crowd, as much as they are assholes deserve to be in the hall. HGH wasn't banned in baseball. Against the spirit of the rules, sure. Banned by other sports, sure. But not baseball. Many of the writers, owners and Selig knew exactly what was going on and said/did nothing (and some are in the hall). Bonds is a weapons grade jerk but being a good person isn't a requirement. As much as I dislike them, bonds and clemens deserve to be in.

Fark Pete rose, though, leave him out (obviously not a PED issue with him).

/my $0.02
 
2021-01-28 7:26:05 AM  
Hank Aaron is still the true home run king.

/R.I.P.
 
2021-01-28 7:41:25 AM  

benjamen13: None of the roids players are going to get in; no bonds, Sosa, or McGuire.


Uh huh. Because there certainly isn't any in there already, right?

Watch David Ortiz sail in next year. And see if ARod's reputation rehabilitation has paid off.
 
2021-01-28 8:15:11 AM  

Frederick: Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.


Really?  Other forms of cheating completely changed the entire sport?

False.  Barry's (And Mark's and Roger's, etc) cheating is far worse than anything anyone did to be able to play 162.  Fark every last one of those juiceheads.
 
2021-01-28 8:32:54 AM  

Frederick: lifeslammer: No one has ever been as good, or will ever be as good, as the japanese baseball god Ichiro Suzuki

I wish his entire career, meaning his stats, were in the MLB. I still think Henderson is greater player*, but Suzuki is a better person.

*I should check the projected stats for Ichiro, my impression is Ichiro slightly better on defense but Henderson significantly better other side of ball


Not even farking close. All The Rickey ever did was hit lead off homers and steal a bunch of bases which amounts to shiat considering how little a stolen base is worth. Yes, The Rickey is an asshole. Still.

He was a simple out. Up and in, up and in, breaking ball on the corner for strike 3.
 
2021-01-28 9:09:39 AM  

Frederick: Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.


This is a seriously dumb take.  The greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth?  That's the whole issue with him being roided up for the second half of his career.  You don't know what his stats would have been if he wasn't juicing.  Put Griffey on roids for the second half of his career (more power, less injuries, heal faster from the injuries he does have) and he would have had better stats that bonds (plus a better defensive player).  Put Ichiro on roids and what do his stats look like?
 
2021-01-28 9:51:44 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: The ped crowd, as much as they are assholes deserve to be in the hall. HGH wasn't banned in baseball. Against the spirit of the rules, sure. Banned by other sports, sure. But not baseball. Many of the writers, owners and Selig knew exactly what was going on and said/did nothing (and some are in the hall). Bonds is a weapons grade jerk but being a good person isn't a requirement. As much as I dislike them, bonds and clemens deserve to be in.

Fark Pete rose, though, leave him out (obviously not a PED issue with him).

/my $0.02


I agree.  I just think that it sucks that someone is a super responder to steroids, gets huge & becomes an even better than one of the best players, un-leveling the playing field & forcing the average player to start thinking about the decision on if they too need to get on the gas.

there really is a world of injuries & longer term health problems (at minimum lifetime of TRT afterward, at maximum FSGS/Kidney failure & heart problems) not to mention higher degrees of injuries in a sport where you need to be flexible as well as strong if you take them for any length of time.  The short term gains of bigger contracts & taking that risk would be hard to ignore though, especially if you're 25 years old.

competitive bodybuilders completely know what they're getting into by using, but i really don't think sportsball players had that perspective, and that shows in the sheer amount of hamstring & torn muscle, shortened careers we saw a couple decades ago.

Bonds accomplishments on the field, he is a super hall of famer.  and mostly you can't know who was on or who wasn't without legit failed tests, outside of the egregious examples like him; He was just implicated in a lot of really shady shiat along with a ton of others. and his body grew to proportions comparative to serious bodybuilders... failing him coming out and saying "yeah i did every PED in the book", dude gets into the hall of fame.
 
2021-01-28 10:22:03 AM  

ShawnKemp: You don't know what his stats would have been if he wasn't juicing.


Yes you do, he was a first ballot hall of famer if he retired after the 1999 season

ShawnKemp: Put Griffey on roids


How do you know he wasn't?
 
2021-01-28 10:29:43 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: benjamen13: None of the roids players are going to get in; no bonds, Sosa, or McGuire.

Uh huh. Because there certainly isn't any in there already, right?

Watch David Ortiz sail in next year. And see if ARod's reputation rehabilitation has paid off.


ARod is a maybe. He has done a lot for the game since he got off the roids. Palmaro, Bonds and Shilling are just dicks- and the hall is a popularity contest.
 
2021-01-28 10:32:17 AM  

benjamen13: Your_Huckleberry: benjamen13: None of the roids players are going to get in; no bonds, Sosa, or McGuire.

Uh huh. Because there certainly isn't any in there already, right?

Watch David Ortiz sail in next year. And see if ARod's reputation rehabilitation has paid off.

ARod is a maybe. He has done a lot for the game since he got off the roids. Palmaro, Bonds and Shilling are just dicks- and the hall is a popularity contest.


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2021-01-28 10:33:50 AM  
When asked about the "cheating," Spiranac had a simple response. "They don't care about cheating in the MLB. If they did then the Astros would've gotten more than a slap on the wrist," she wrote.

Not that everyone hasn't noticed but really isn't an article so much as it is someone using what looks like your average stupid twitter post as an excuse to show a picture of the curvy blond 'media personality'. Inductees to the Hall are chosen by the Baseball Writer's Association and the various Veteran's Committees.  So she is uniformed at best.

Baseball writers can be a sanctimonious bunch and they're often wrong.  So far though they've managed to avoid falling into the sort of relativistic trap of trying to argue all cheating is the same.  A runner on second stealing signs from a careless opponent?  Part of the game.  The Astros elaborate plan involving electronic devices and trash cans (okay, partly low tech plan)?  Way over the line.  Greenies?  Widely used for a time and certainly ethically questionable but not in the same league as steroids.  Distinctions have to be drawn.

One of the most offensive things about the PED era was that it cast a shadow over everyone who played, not just the people we know were using.  Players who wanted nothing to do with those methods became suspect because they played in the same era as the ones who did.  This is why Bonds and Clemens are still viewed with contempt by so many.  They farked over their colleagues.

As for the Astros, the condemnation from other players was pretty much universal and people did get punished.
 
2021-01-28 10:34:21 AM  

benjamen13: Your_Huckleberry: benjamen13: None of the roids players are going to get in; no bonds, Sosa, or McGuire.

Uh huh. Because there certainly isn't any in there already, right?

Watch David Ortiz sail in next year. And see if ARod's reputation rehabilitation has paid off.

ARod is a maybe. He has done a lot for the game since he got off the roids. Palmaro, Bonds and Shilling are just dicks- and the hall is a popularity contest.


Arod was actually suspended for breaking a known rule. Bonds never failed a test or broke any rules. It was leaked that Ortiz supposedly failed the anonymous reference test in the Mitchell Report. The whole thing is so confusing and stupid. Combined with the mountain of cheaters in various ways already in the hall of fame, the steroid thing is dumb as hell to get hung up on.

A far better reason to keep Bonds out is his domestic abuse allegations, but baseball doesn't care if batterers or drunks or racists or fun happy cheaters get in.
 
2021-01-28 10:41:35 AM  

ElwoodCuse: ShawnKemp: You don't know what his stats would have been if he wasn't juicing.

Yes you do, he was a first ballot hall of famer if he retired after the 1999 season

ShawnKemp: Put Griffey on roids

How do you know he wasn't?


1) I never said he wasn't a FBHOF after the first half of his career.  I said to say he is the best player since Ruth is idiotic, because his stats are greatly inflated by being on roids for half his career.

2) Griffey has never had even a whiff of suspicion around him regarding roids.  None.  He looked the same at the end of his career as he did at the beginning, he just developed a natural, old man body and face.
 
2021-01-28 10:48:46 AM  
I said to say he is the best player since Ruth is idiotic, because his stats are greatly inflated by being on roids for half his career.

Citation needed. You clearly do not know how steroids work. Hint: they are not magic dinger juice.

He looked the same at the end of his career as he did at the beginning, he just developed a natural, old man body and face.

This doesn't mean he didn't use steroids.
 
2021-01-28 10:56:17 AM  

lifeslammer: Bonds is arguably the greatest player in the history of the game.

hahahahha fark no. No one has ever been as good, or will ever be as good, as the japanese baseball god Ichiro Suzuki


Especially not some roided up jackoff


Bonds threw like my mother threw left-handed. And she was right-handed.
 
2021-01-28 11:14:59 AM  
Headline is factually incorrect. Because there is a baseball hall of fame.

As for bonds, there is a long established process for inclusion. He'll be a hall of famer once he meets that criteria. But he is not one now.
 
2021-01-28 11:18:00 AM  
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2021-01-28 11:19:44 AM  
So if Paige didn't use Performance Enhancing Devices, would we even know who she is?
 
2021-01-28 11:22:16 AM  

ChrisDe: lifeslammer: Bonds is arguably the greatest player in the history of the game.

hahahahha fark no. No one has ever been as good, or will ever be as good, as the japanese baseball god Ichiro Suzuki


Especially not some roided up jackoff

Bonds threw like my mother threw left-handed. And she was right-handed.


I'd say Pics or it didn't happen, but much like Andy Van Slyke, we all know Barry never threw a ball.

*Braves fan*
 
2021-01-28 11:53:17 AM  

ShawnKemp: Put Ichiro on roids and what do his stats look like?


Ichiro on 'roids = Godzilla
 
2021-01-28 11:54:24 AM  

Frederick: Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.


Lol, no.
He isn't good enough to be in the same conversation as willie mays.
 
2021-01-28 12:34:03 PM  
Leave Bonds out of the HOF? But then how would people know of all those championship winning teams he was on?
 
2021-01-28 12:46:18 PM  

Muzzleloader: Frederick: Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.

Lol, no.
He isn't good enough to be in the same conversation as willie mays.


This is a joke, right? Y'know, since Willie was close with Barry Bonds Sr., there are actually plenty of reasons to have a conversation about Mays and Bonds?

Oh, and also the part where Willie Mays actively wants Barry in the Hall of Fame .
 
2021-01-28 12:58:26 PM  
Schilling's being left out because we don't like his politics, which have fark-all to do with baseball.

Bond's being left out because he actively cheated.

Yet we're almost 100% in agreement on Schilling and about 50/50 on Bonds.

Point being ... does it REALLY matter?
 
2021-01-28 1:04:25 PM  

Slow To Return: Schilling's being left out because we don't like his politics, which have fark-all to do with baseball.


"don't like his politics" is such a massively disingenuous understatement
 
2021-01-28 1:46:04 PM  
Pumpkin headed moron.
 
2021-01-28 2:31:32 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: Muzzleloader: Frederick: Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.

Lol, no.
He isn't good enough to be in the same conversation as willie mays.

This is a joke, right? Y'know, since Willie was close with Barry Bonds Sr., there are actually plenty of reasons to have a conversation about Mays and Bonds?

Oh, and also the part where Willie Mays actively wants Barry in the Hall of Fame .


I wasn't referring to the hof, just your ridiculous comment that he is the best plater since ruth.
Mays is the best player of all time, since or before ruth.
Barry is nowhere close to as good.
 
2021-01-28 2:33:27 PM  

Frederick: Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player since Babe Ruth. Ricky Henderson 3rd. The only reason to dislike Bonds is flat out player hating -- which is fine -- but dont bring that "cheater" shiat argument; it only shows you know nothing of baseball history.


I've never claimed to know anything about baseball history. Barry Bonds is a cheat though and should never be let in the hall of fame.
 
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