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2021-01-28 4:11:26 AM  
I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.
 
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2021-01-28 5:57:53 AM  
A decent question might be, "How important is it to a person who has made thousands, millions, or even billions through their work by the time the accusations begin to fly?"

The person who cares about Harry Potter is a person who can't give a sh*t but still stands to profit from licensing, creative direction, etc.

Drop the criticism about someone else's work like it's your term paper and create instead a broader criticism.  Why is it so important to people that a protagonist be broadly appealing yet unique?  Bring in the cliches.  Write about that.  That's a much better read than some strict BS about Harry Potter, no matter how well you wrote it (and the guy does deserve some credit).
 
2021-01-28 6:32:10 AM  
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2021-01-28 6:59:11 AM  
I think using cancel culture to deny new Harry Potter content to millions of millennials may be the greatest idea liberals ever had.
 
2021-01-28 6:59:54 AM  
I don't care. I never liked Harry Potter.
 
2021-01-28 7:04:00 AM  
It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.
 
2021-01-28 7:20:54 AM  

moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.


Or Disney
 
2021-01-28 8:14:08 AM  
Honestly, in my opinion, the series is fantastic. One of the bigger themes is that prejudice is nonsense and stereotypes are wrong. The only problem is that it pays royalties to JK.

/ I guess the moral is never live long enough to become the villain
 
2021-01-28 8:14:59 AM  

Astorix: I don't care. I never liked Harry Potter.


You're just salty that you never got your owl from Hogwarts....
 
2021-01-28 8:29:53 AM  
She could not leave well enough alone.
 
2021-01-28 8:36:56 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.


I grew up on the Little House on the Prairie books. They do not treat indigenous people well at all. Or the Irish.
 
2021-01-28 8:38:41 AM  

namegoeshere: Garza and the Supermutants: It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.

I grew up on the Little House on the Prairie books. They do not treat indigenous people well at all. Or the Irish.


Yeah, but, they're the Irish...
 
2021-01-28 8:49:30 AM  

moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.


Nope.  Universal Studios already closed all the Harry Potter stuff.  It's being repurposed as Golden Girls.  They decided the obscene amount of money it brings in just isn't worth it.
 
2021-01-28 8:54:30 AM  
Oh FFS. We're going to have a quota now on how many LGBTCSINCISWTF people are in every piece of work now?
 
2021-01-28 8:55:46 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I think using cancel culture to deny new Harry Potter content to millions of millennials may be the greatest idea liberals ever had.


How is this anything other than free market capitalism at work?  Some consumers of a specific product (in this case Harry Potter-based entertainment) have, of their own free will, decided they're not interested in purchasing more of this product for whatever reason they damn well please.

If the creators/sellers of the don't like this, they can either make a more appealing product, or go pound sand.  If different consumers of the product don't like this, they can either pony up more cash to support said creators/sellers, or go pound sand.
 
2021-01-28 8:57:37 AM  

Mugato: Oh FFS. We're going to have a quota now on how many LGBTCSINCISWTF people are in every piece of work now?


I found Neil Patrick Harris' take on that to be interesting.
 
2021-01-28 8:59:17 AM  
You could just not watch the new series. I know that sounds crazy since we've been conditioned to consume endlessly, but there's already been a shiat ton of HP universe content. You could just not watch it.
 
2021-01-28 9:00:45 AM  

Mugato: Oh FFS. We're going to have a quota now on how many LGBTCSINCISWTF people are in every piece of work now?


And we're doing it retroactively, including works published 24 years ago.  Everything you grew up reading is evil and you should feel bad for ever enjoying it.
 
2021-01-28 9:03:21 AM  

moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.


Difference is people going to Chick Fil A are just getting food.

People who grew up reading Harry Potter actually believed the "treat people with dignity even if different" message Rowling apparently accidentally included. So her falling far short of that fairly simple goal directly impacts and hurts her fanbase.

They'd have been better off reading Pratchett in the first place.
 
2021-01-28 9:04:04 AM  

Diogenes: moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.

Nope.  Universal Studios already closed all the Harry Potter stuff.  It's being repurposed as Golden Girls.  They decided the obscene amount of money it brings in just isn't worth it.


It's a genius way to make Disney include a promotion for Universal Studios in a Marvel movie. By creating a Golden Girls land, they know Deadpool 3 will have to include jokes about finally getting to ride Bea Arthur.
 
2021-01-28 9:08:27 AM  
Numerous thinkpieces considered various ways into a single question, "Can you actually separate the art from the artist?"

Answer: yes.

I can appreciate the music of Michael Jackson, movies with Jeffrey Jones or Wesley Snipes, etc, without getting bent out of shape over the crimes they committed (or are alleged to have committed).

/ although the Jones thing made me sad
/ in addition to the euw
 
2021-01-28 9:09:31 AM  
I find it freeing not to let the politics and personal issues of entertainers prevent me from being entertained by their work, but rather enjoy it (or not) on it's merits. Anybody wanting to boycott or cancel JK Rowling but still enjoying the work of Tom Cruise (or any other batshiat crazy Hollywood Scientologist) is a raging hypocrite.
 
2021-01-28 9:10:05 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I think using cancel culture to deny new Harry Potter content to millions of millennials may be the greatest idea liberals ever had.


So I guess "cancel culture" is the new "fake news" that if repeated enough, right wing douchebags will parrot forever, until the next one.
 
2021-01-28 9:10:46 AM  

KamikazeCraig: I find it freeing not to let the politics and personal issues of entertainers prevent me from being entertained by their work, but rather enjoy it (or not) on it's merits. Anybody wanting to boycott or cancel JK Rowling but still enjoying the work of Tom Cruise (or any other batshiat crazy Hollywood Scientologist) is a raging hypocrite.


That's the line I won't cross.
 
2021-01-28 9:13:34 AM  

moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.



The core Harry Potter fanbase is the generation that's driving the push towards diversity and acceptance.  She's alienating her most important audience with her comments.


Mugato: Oh FFS. We're going to have a quota now on how many LGBTCSINCISWTF people are in every piece of work now?


Interesting that you bring that up since Rowling herself retconned one of her characters as being gay despite absolutely no indication of that being the case in the original material.   Almost like she was pandering to a particular demographic without actually doing the work.
 
2021-01-28 9:14:05 AM  

iheartscotch: Honestly, in my opinion, the series is fantastic. One of the bigger themes is that prejudice is nonsense and stereotypes are wrong. The only problem is that it pays royalties to JK.

/ I guess the moral is never live long enough to become the villain



I read a deep dive on this sometime last year, and there are some very strange things going on amongst the feminist theorists in the UK, and have been for the last 25 years.
 
2021-01-28 9:14:15 AM  
Sort of unfair to lump Louis CK in there.  He was what was plainly stated on the label.

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2021-01-28 9:15:14 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.


Just do what everyone else does: very publicly and vocally decry Mark Twain and make sure everyone knows how enlightened you are, but do whatever is most convenient and appealing to you when no one is looking.
 
2021-01-28 9:16:07 AM  
The show will be a massive hit because the vast majority of the audience simply does not care about the author's real world musings and does not care about the politics surrounding them.

Despite a very long, coordinated effort, Rowling will never be cancelled. It's too late.
 
2021-01-28 9:16:08 AM  
With all the hand-wringing over Rowling/Potter, you'd think there was a major shortage of young adult fantasy fiction.

The books are fine, but nothing amazing. Just build up another series with a non-asshat author.
 
2021-01-28 9:16:57 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.


I've been a fan of HP Lovecraft's writings since I was about 12 or 13 so I empathize
 
2021-01-28 9:18:21 AM  

Forty-Three: Lucky LaRue: I think using cancel culture to deny new Harry Potter content to millions of millennials may be the greatest idea liberals ever had.

How is this anything other than free market capitalism at work?  Some consumers of a specific product (in this case Harry Potter-based entertainment) have, of their own free will, decided they're not interested in purchasing more of this product for whatever reason they damn well please.

If the creators/sellers of the don't like this, they can either make a more appealing product, or go pound sand.  If different consumers of the product don't like this, they can either pony up more cash to support said creators/sellers, or go pound sand.


Lucky is a self-admitted troll only here to get responses. Don't waste your time.
 
2021-01-28 9:18:37 AM  
I like the suggestion that if you enjoy someone's work yet they have issues in their personal life that you find objectionable, whenever you view their work you donate some money to a charity that helps their victims. We've done that several times (although admittedly not every single time) and it seems like a way to mitigate the guilt and maybe balance the scales a bit.

Or not, and I'm just a selfish white guy buying my way out of having to take a stand that actually inconveniences me. I honestly can't tell anymore.
 
2021-01-28 9:18:48 AM  
...and the lefties continue to eat their own...
 
2021-01-28 9:21:38 AM  
If this woke, PC bullshiat means more girl/girl action in movies then I'm all for it.
 
2021-01-28 9:22:48 AM  

Snapper Carr: Garza and the Supermutants: It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.

I've been a fan of HP Lovecraft's writings since I was about 12 or 13 so I empathize


It's not like Twain or Lovecraft are collecting royalties today. If they are, point me to their graves so I can pick up the checks.

I don't really see a dilemma here.
 
2021-01-28 9:25:39 AM  

Boojum2k: moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.

Difference is people going to Chick Fil A are just getting food.

People who grew up reading Harry Potter actually believed the "treat people with dignity even if different" message Rowling apparently accidentally included. So her falling far short of that fairly simple goal directly impacts and hurts her fanbase.

They'd have been better off reading Pratchett in the first place.


I mean who isn't better of reading Pratchett?

/Granted the price for this is very bad screen adaptations of things.
 
2021-01-28 9:27:09 AM  
A audience that believes it has creative control over a creators content are quite frankly insane

Sure they can exert pressure by boycotting, but I hope creators don't bow to to the pressure.

An audience that wants creative control over content should create the content they want.
Without of course resorting to plagiarism. Create your own unique characters in their own unique settings.

Being a fan of something does not give you ownership rights. Or creative input.
 
2021-01-28 9:29:49 AM  

SamFlagg: Boojum2k: moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.

Difference is people going to Chick Fil A are just getting food.

People who grew up reading Harry Potter actually believed the "treat people with dignity even if different" message Rowling apparently accidentally included. So her falling far short of that fairly simple goal directly impacts and hurts her fanbase.

They'd have been better off reading Pratchett in the first place.

I mean who isn't better of reading Pratchett?

/Granted the price for this is very bad screen adaptations of things.


Many many years ago, I told my girlfriend's daughter (who was about 8 at the time) she'd probably like Discworld better than HP. She didn't believe me until we watched the animated Soul Music.

I then had to buy her a bunch of Discworld books and it was "Sorry Hermione, you're cool but Susan is much cooler."
 
2021-01-28 9:30:28 AM  
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2021-01-28 9:33:15 AM  

SamFlagg: /Granted the price for this is very bad screen adaptations of things.


I found Prime's adaptation of Good Omens to be very well done.

But that's about it. Hogfather was endlessly bad.
As was The Colour of Magic. But Hogfather was worse.
 
2021-01-28 9:33:32 AM  
It's still ok to like Tolkien, isn't it?
 
2021-01-28 9:33:50 AM  

Diogenes: Universal Studios already closed all the Harry Potter stuff. It's being repurposed as Golden Girls.


I heard about that. Kim Catrall isn't coming back though.
 
2021-01-28 9:35:04 AM  
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2021-01-28 9:36:11 AM  

Eric Shun: namegoeshere: Garza and the Supermutants: It's a dilemma. I'm a Mark Twain fan, and he hated Native Americans, farking hated them, which is kind of jarring given his support later in his life for the Congolese people being oppressed and killed off in by King Leopold II of Belgium, and his support of the Filipinos being oppressed and killed off by the good old USA.

I grew up on the Little House on the Prairie books. They do not treat indigenous people well at all. Or the Irish.

Yeah, but, they're the Irish...

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2021-01-28 9:37:07 AM  

moothemagiccow: I anticipate the brand is going to suffer for its owner's LGBT views about as much as Chick fil A has.


"I hate her anti-LGBT views, but her books are just so tasty!"
 
2021-01-28 9:37:35 AM  

Persnickety: Mugato: Oh FFS. We're going to have a quota now on how many LGBTCSINCISWTF people are in every piece of work now?

And we're doing it retroactively, including works published 24 years ago.  Everything you grew up reading is evil and you should feel bad for ever enjoying it.


Beginning to think you two might want to examine your own selves.  I can read prior works just fine without feeling bad while also acknowledging their shortcomings.
 
2021-01-28 9:39:37 AM  
"This was still a pretty bold concept in the early 2000s; geek culture was largely still underground, and fantasy was seen mainly as an immature hobby - for instance, in 2003, critic A.S. Byatt's excoriation of 'Harry Potter and the childish adult' claimed that..." This statement sums up the author's style. Vague. Inaccurate. Quoting others in order to be able to say 'not my words...'. It's an opinion piece without opinion. And it reads like a very poor first attempt at writing an edgy essay with citations.
 
2021-01-28 9:41:38 AM  

mongbiohazard: You could just not watch the new series. I know that sounds crazy since we've been conditioned to consume endlessly, but there's already been a shiat ton of HP universe content. You could just not watch it.


That is about like saying you could just not think about Germany during WW2 and you would not feel bad at all for the extermination of all those people.  Turning a blind eye to something does nothing more than make you blind, the bad stuff is still happening.  This is not like a series is not to your liking so rather than biatch about it in public, you just don't watch it and let others enjoy, this is about a person whose fan base is so impressionable that more than half think running around with a broomstick between your legs chasing a golf ball with feathers should be an Olympic sport, this creator is sharing her opinions on a touchy subject which can lead to many adopting that opinion for their own because they do not know any better.  For good or bad, no matter what a person's opinion on transgender people, they are here and not going away, sponsoring a culture of hate should be addressed and sadly it is usually done through money of which she has plenty of not to care so instead just ignore her creations which should be easy, she stole enough of it from other works to give young people other books to enjoy.
 
2021-01-28 9:42:58 AM  
Living a life of perpetual outrage must be quite tiring.
 
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