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2021-01-27 9:39:55 PM  
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The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.
 
2021-01-27 9:53:08 PM  
Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.
 
2021-01-27 9:58:57 PM  
I had to replace one of three CPU AIO cooler 120mm fans with a slimmer one (15mm versus 25mm) to have enough room to fit my latest triple-slot graphics card with wedging it into the case, and I thought the previous dual slot card was as big as they would ever get. For me spending $20 on a thin fan was easier than moving the AIO cooler radiator from the from the front of the case to the top. Your mileage may vary.

/hopefully I don't have to muck with that again for another 8 years
 
2021-01-27 10:01:41 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.


CRTs don't have pixels
 
2021-01-27 10:06:46 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BumpInTheNight: Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.

CRTs don't have pixels


Are you trying to be pedantically wrong or just generally wrong in a genuine fashion with a misunderstanding of the definition of 'pixel'?
 
2021-01-27 10:06:54 PM  
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2021-01-27 10:10:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BumpInTheNight: Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.

CRTs don't have pixels

Are you trying to be pedantically wrong or just generally wrong in a genuine fashion with a misunderstanding of the definition of 'pixel'?


Nah, he's right. CRTs are purely analog. Just that electron beam zipping back and forth.
 
2021-01-27 10:11:51 PM  

BumpInTheNight: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BumpInTheNight: Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.

CRTs don't have pixels

Are you trying to be pedantically wrong or just generally wrong in a genuine fashion with a misunderstanding of the definition of 'pixel'?


Just pedantically correct.
These Are Not Pixels: Revisited
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2021-01-27 10:13:25 PM  

IgG4: BumpInTheNight: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BumpInTheNight: Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.

CRTs don't have pixels

Are you trying to be pedantically wrong or just generally wrong in a genuine fashion with a misunderstanding of the definition of 'pixel'?

Nah, he's right. CRTs are purely analog. Just that electron beam zipping back and forth.


But, pixels aren't actually defined as a hardware thing, its defined as addressable points of a display, regardless of technology.   An analog display still had a well defined grid of addressable points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel

Sure the hardware that was responsible for creating the image was analog, but the hardware and logic that defined where it pointed the lights was most definitely doing so based on a grid pattern, of pixels.
 
2021-01-27 10:16:00 PM  

BumpInTheNight: IgG4: BumpInTheNight: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BumpInTheNight: Thinking back, the most revolutionary size difference a tech brought my wow factor was the switch from CRT to LCD.  Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count, that was cheaper to boot, was one of my defining 'this is the future' moments.

CRTs don't have pixels

Are you trying to be pedantically wrong or just generally wrong in a genuine fashion with a misunderstanding of the definition of 'pixel'?

Nah, he's right. CRTs are purely analog. Just that electron beam zipping back and forth.

But, pixels aren't actually defined as a hardware thing, its defined as addressable points of a display, regardless of technology.   An analog display still had a well defined grid of addressable points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel

Sure the hardware that was responsible for creating the image was analog, but the hardware and logic that defined where it pointed the lights was most definitely doing so based on a grid pattern, of pixels.


You defined it as a hardware thing: "Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count"
 
2021-01-27 10:18:58 PM  
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2021-01-27 10:20:46 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: You defined it as a hardware thing: "Going from a hooonkin' fat-back 30lb 17" CRT to a maybe 5lbs 19" slim LCD with the same pixel count"


CRTs were sold with X/Y resolutions, same as LCDs and beyond, yes?

Come on man this could be a fun nostalgic thread about the gaming hardware of yore, let's not clog up the top with a nerd fight over how the CRT display tech was analog and thus, theoretically/practically capable of whatever permutations but never did because the controllers that aimed the guns were bound by the pixel grids they were?
 
2021-01-28 1:48:37 AM  
Bigger:

CPU coolers got huge. GPUs got huger. GPU coolers got huge-est. An entry level monitor today is bigger than the living room TV of my youth - and let's not talk about living room TVs.

Installed game sizes are ridiculous. I remember freaking out about installing the "full game" from the CD. Game downloads today are pushing 250x the capacity of a CD-ROM.

Smaller:

Storage devices got crazy small and crazy fast.

PCs somehow managed to get smaller even while amping up the cooling hardware. Sure, full towers still lead the way for gaming, mostly because of all the room for cable routing and pretty lights, but you can cram 90% of the performance in an mITX cube, which would have been insane to teenager-me.

"Gaming laptop" was an oxymoron 25 years ago. Hell, even ten years ago, they were luggable brick-shaped things that you basically bought when your apartment was too small for a dedicated nerd shrine.

Pixels got way smaller, if you look at PPI counts.

Kinda Same But Not?

The original Game Boy always felt a little bit ridiculously huge in my hands, I don't know why, maybe it was just the thickness. I was a teenager with adult-size hands, so it wasn't that. The Switch doesn't have that problem, although it's technically larger I guess?

Nintendo controllers started midsize (NES) got huge (N64) and are now kinda too small (individual joy-cons.)

The market penetration and wide availability of mechanical keyboards now (compared to being basically not a thing in the '90s) is so amazing that I can almost - ALMOST - forgive the PCMR for RGB-ing all the things.

With all the wireless stuff, i don't need as many wires, cables, docking stations, etc. The widget is still the same size, but the accompanying stuff is gone. But somehow the drawer full of cables is still there.
 
2021-01-28 3:12:48 AM  
Mouse mats are bigger. They're also much thinner. I have a mouse mat around here that I bought in 1990 that is three times as thick as the one that I'm using right now.
 
2021-01-28 7:42:46 AM  
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2021-01-28 8:06:52 AM  
M.2 SSDs blow my mind
 
2021-01-28 8:19:49 AM  

Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.


While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

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2021-01-28 8:22:21 AM  
do people actually buy mousepads ?
 
2021-01-28 8:25:41 AM  
Yeah I like how these days it's "Would you like a computer to go with that video card and portable nuclear reactor with cooling towers?"
 
2021-01-28 8:42:44 AM  

kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?


I bought a very thin "stick-on" one from 3M since my COVID office was my woodworking shop - so my desk is actually a cutting table, with 20mm holes in a grid. That grid plays havoc on my mouse, so I have a very thin mousepad.

I didn't have any of those old "branded swag" foam and cloth deals, since I always tossed those
 
2021-01-28 8:55:00 AM  

kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?


Absolutely. I have this one and I'm thinking of buying another of the same for my laptop. I like the detachable small wrist rest that I can change the angle on as necessary.
 
2021-01-28 8:56:44 AM  

kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?


Yes to protect my desk.
 
2021-01-28 9:04:32 AM  

Perfectly Normal Beast: [catplanet.org image 620x620]


Awww. CatBuk1 used to sleep on my monitor. She also slept on my cablebox when I watched tv. Remember cable boxes?
 
2021-01-28 9:11:56 AM  
You know what else has gotten bigger?

Then:
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Now:
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2021-01-28 9:14:49 AM  

Marcos P: kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?

Yes to protect my desk.


I'm looking into one now. My desk is farked where my mouse is at
 
2021-01-28 9:20:42 AM  
My Red Joystick
Youtube x_lZW09vbW0
 
2021-01-28 9:34:39 AM  
Speakers I use are bigger from the tiny tinny things of the 90s to 5 inch monitors.

I just replaced that 12 year old G15 pile of mush shown in the article for a beautiful TKL with a mat that stretches across my desk.  Pure luxury and joy.  Typing speed and accuracy took a huge jump in one day.

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2021-01-28 9:59:21 AM  
kmfjd:
The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one



I recently liberated my Commodore 64 from my parents basement and I am blessed to have both of those joysticks.  The Epyx one is my favorite, with great ergonomics and fast micro switches.  However, the command control one does have a better build quality.  Either is a great joystick for your retro gaming needs.
 
2021-01-28 10:11:14 AM  

kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

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I humbly disagree:

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Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.
 
2021-01-28 10:21:43 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Marcos P: kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?

Yes to protect my desk.

I'm looking into one now. My desk is farked where my mouse is at


I know you didn't ask for my two cents, probably don't care but - Monoprice used to carry a pretty sweet metal one.  Literally just a sheet of aluminum with some rubber feet teflon on either side (with different textures that were supposed to track differently.  Couldn't see a change so I just used the smoother one.)

Last year I impulse bought an MSI branded one.  Similar, just a sheet of aluminum.

They hold up well, obviously, and you can get a wrist rest if you *need*something comfy.  Could probably even make one yourself (the MSI one was $30 for some reason) out of aluminum and teflon tape.
 
2021-01-28 10:21:51 AM  

kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?


I have a 36"x12" desktop cloth mouse pad for my personal PC (the Gamers Nexus one, as I appreciate their content and wanted to support them, and absolutely love it), and a 12"x18" cloth one (a Corsair 300mm) for my work-from-home machine.

Both easily worth the money spent on them.

If anyone is considering one, the GN one is better quality than the Corsair one, and cost the same price for a larger mat.
 
2021-01-28 10:27:09 AM  

Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.


This was the best stick I ever owned. Just perfect

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2021-01-28 11:22:16 AM  

kmfjd: do people actually buy mousepads ?


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To protect their wrists
 
2021-01-28 11:39:37 AM  

Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.


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2021-01-28 11:50:58 AM  
They should bring this back so a whole new generation can be just as annoyed with it as we were:

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2021-01-28 11:56:02 AM  

dv-ous: PCs somehow managed to get smaller even while amping up the cooling hardware. Sure, full towers still lead the way for gaming, mostly because of all the room for cable routing and pretty lights, but you can cram 90% of the performance in an mITX cube, which would have been insane to teenager-me.


It helps that all of the functions that used to require their own discrete cards are now implemented via a handful of onboard support chips.  My first PC had five expansion cards installed.  My current PC has one.

It also helps that storage is so much smaller.  It felt weird the first time I used laptop form-factor parts for a desktop.  Now I'm debating if I should even use a 2.5" hard drive in my next build or if I should go all M.2 SSD.  I keep a USB optical drive for the few times I need one, but the only PC in the house that still uses an internal one is the HTPC.
 
2021-01-28 12:16:28 PM  

SuperChuck: Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.

This was the best stick I ever owned. Just perfect

[Fark user image image 324x400]


Ah man r.i.p. Gravis :(
 
2021-01-28 12:21:47 PM  

Nimbull: Yeah I like how these days it's "Would you like a computer to go with that video card and portable nuclear reactor with cooling towers?"


Gaming PC: a 750w space heater with a screen
 
2021-01-28 1:29:19 PM  

SuperChuck: Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.

This was the best stick I ever owned. Just perfect

[Fark user image 324x400]


That one was good.  I had one of those and one of these:

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I have never loved a D-Pad more than the one here.

Marcos P: Ah man r.i.p. Gravis :(


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2021-01-28 1:58:57 PM  
This was my weapon of choice :

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2021-01-28 2:06:45 PM  

Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.


Problem with that being that after three weeks, there wasn't a 'fire' button at all any more from the metal dome collapsing.
 
2021-01-28 2:15:29 PM  

thrasherrr: Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.

Problem with that being that after three weeks, there wasn't a 'fire' button at all any more from the metal dome collapsing.


It was an elegant joystick for a more civilized age.
 
2021-01-28 3:45:34 PM  

Myk-House of El: SuperChuck: Atomic Jonb: kmfjd: Znuh: [Fark user image 800x600]

The absolute best. Bar none. Wico's Command Control stuffs of the 80s still can't be beat.

While that was a very good joystick, it was inferior to this one

[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 480x640]

I humbly disagree:

[Fark user image 709x800]

Simple, elegant.  And the "fire" button is not on the goddamn stick.

This was the best stick I ever owned. Just perfect

[Fark user image 324x400]

That one was good.  I had one of those and one of these:

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I have never loved a D-Pad more than the one here.

Marcos P: Ah man r.i.p. Gravis :(

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NHL Hockey 95 pack that included that. Good times.

/bring back NHL Hockey to the PC, dammit
 
2021-01-28 3:49:21 PM  

Bukharin: (Missile Command box art)


Now that deserves cosplay. Not just for dude's funky helmet, but '70s-style sci-fi female military outfit with WTF is down with your breasts bit.
 
2021-01-28 4:03:31 PM  
Prices have come down, and lifespans have increased tremendously from the tech growth spurt of the 90s and early 2000s. In the 90s a $2,000 desktop might not even be able to load a new game 12 months later. Today a $500 desktop should get you at least a few good years of PC gaming at quality settings, more if you can get a good deal and/or if you don't mind reducing some of the settings or playing at lower frame rates (YMMV, but after about 30 seconds my eyes easily adjust to a 30fps lock). And these prices don't even factor inflation over the last 25 years...

Back in the 1990s a PlayStation might cost $200 compared to that $2,000 PC. Meanwhile today a new console, if you can even find one at the MSRP, costs almost the same as an entry level gaming PC!
 
2021-01-28 4:37:40 PM  

Electrify: Prices have come down, and lifespans have increased tremendously from the tech growth spurt of the 90s and early 2000s. In the 90s a $2,000 desktop might not even be able to load a new game 12 months later. Today a $500 desktop should get you at least a few good years of PC gaming at quality settings, more if you can get a good deal and/or if you don't mind reducing some of the settings or playing at lower frame rates (YMMV, but after about 30 seconds my eyes easily adjust to a 30fps lock). And these prices don't even factor inflation over the last 25 years...

Back in the 1990s a PlayStation might cost $200 $299 compared to that $2,000 PC. Meanwhile today a new console, if you can even find one at the MSRP, costs almost the same as an entry level gaming PC!


FTFY
 
2021-01-28 9:46:23 PM  
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This was the best. Small base fits right in the hand comfortably. The throw on the stick is incredibly short for fast, ultra-responsive control.
 
2021-01-29 8:29:40 AM  
Ah, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter using

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Nowadays, I just fly in War Thunder with

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and the keyboard
 
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