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    More: Hero, Lyndon B. Johnson, qualified immunity, Police, United States, Joe Biden, Democratic Party, Supporters of qualified immunity, President Joe Biden  
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2021-01-27 9:36:27 PM  
GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.
 
2021-01-27 9:52:28 PM  
FTFA:"President Joe Biden signaled support for reforming qualified immunity during his 2020 campaign, and Vice President Kamala Harris and two of Biden's Justice Department nominees, Vanita Gupta and Kristen Clarke, have also publicly supported its end."

Nice!
 
2021-01-27 9:52:33 PM  
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2021-01-27 10:33:19 PM  
NFL stars Tom Brady and Drew Brees are among the more than 1,500 athletes and artists who have endorsed the campaign, which is also supported by 671 business leaders

These guys know how to organize.

I'm actually surprised to see Brady on there, I assumed he'd be a thin blue line guy.
 
2021-01-27 10:56:34 PM  
 IIRC, Ben and Jerry's had a cell phone gig, and much of the profits were donated.
 
2021-01-28 12:02:44 AM  

Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.


The difficulty will be the union protections. And do you want to undercut unions to get to bad cops?
 
2021-01-28 12:16:34 AM  
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2021-01-28 12:23:05 AM  
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2021-01-28 2:17:17 AM  

hubiestubert: Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.

The difficulty will be the union protections. And do you want to undercut unions to get to bad cops?


We already have bad cops and far too many of them.

The union can stay and they won't be able to do fark all to protect an officer that abuses their authority if qualified immunity was removed. You can't be a cop if you have a felony and they aren't going to be reporting to work while in jail. Qualified immunity is why you don't see bad cops charged with the crimes the commit while in uniform by DAs because it is an ironclad defense against the charges, so there would be no point in filing them, even if you undeniable evidence that they committed a crime, even murder, especially if their training the the department policies were followed.
 
2021-01-28 2:19:31 AM  
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"Fark the police"

/rum raisin
 
2021-01-28 2:27:13 AM  
"LOOK OUT HE'S GOT A PINT!" BLAM
 
2021-01-28 2:29:01 AM  
That is quite actually Vladimir Putin's nightmare.

Incomprehensibly strange capitalist American ice cream will first destroy the fascist police, then the fascist politicians and eventually they'll get to him.
 
2021-01-28 2:37:03 AM  
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Look at that sad "pastel goth" ice cream.
Ben & Jerry's puts more pride into their work.
 
2021-01-28 2:44:19 AM  
I'm-peach-mint chip?
 
2021-01-28 2:45:29 AM  

Cafe Threads: GLWT.


Gelato Lemon With Tangerine?
 
2021-01-28 2:46:54 AM  
Vanillamir Putin
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Russia discord trolls hate weird ice cream.
 
2021-01-28 2:53:19 AM  
This picture made young Putin first feel suspicious about ice cream.
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And now Ben & Jerry's wants to fight police brutality.
 
2021-01-28 2:57:38 AM  

winterbraid: "LOOK OUT HE'S GOT A PINT!" BLAM


CRAP! IT WAS PELOSI!!!!

/they still talk about her ice cream and freezer
//all. the. time.
 
2021-01-28 2:59:25 AM  
I'll say it. Every so often I go-to the Ben&Jerry's graveyard of dead flavours and pay my respects to "White Russian."

Also, wtf can't Europe get "Chubby Hubby?" That shiat is dope.
 
2021-01-28 3:02:02 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: The union can stay and they won't be able to do fark all to protect an officer that abuses their authority if qualified immunity was removed. You can't be a cop if you have a felony and they aren't going to be reporting to work while in jail. Qualified immunity is why you don't see bad cops charged with the crimes the commit while in uniform by DAs because it is an ironclad defense against the charges, so there would be no point in filing them, even if you undeniable evidence that they committed a crime, even murder, especially if their training the the department policies were followed.


Qualified Immunity has nothing to do with Criminal charges.  It has to do with Civil charges.  Qualified Immunity prevents someone from suing an officer directly for something they did while on the job.  It also extends to all other government officials.

Basically, if you want restitution then you have to sue the governmental body which they work for.
 
2021-01-28 3:03:07 AM  

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That looks fine and dandy except for the crusted jizz on the top of the bun. Well, maybe if I knew whose it was...
 
2021-01-28 3:09:47 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [Fark user image 800x803]


Bacon in ice cream? NO.

Some flavors, which are good individually, simply should not be mixed.
 
2021-01-28 3:15:33 AM  
Yeah, qualified immunity needs to go. As a tyke going through certification to be a security guard (yeah, some states do not fark around when it comes to giving not-cops sometimes-armed jobs, though it seems 99% of those folks ditch all that book-learning the second they get their just-above min-wage job guarding dirt or sitting in a lobby), I had two things very thoroughly instilled in me (alright, four if you count being tased and maced as part of training to carry both items): if a guard uses force, they are a private citizen and in all cases fully liable for their actions, and if a cop uses force, they are not personally liable unless they are very clearly acting outside the scope of their duty.

While I cannot personally comment on the effect that has on you as a cop (but fark I can guess at this point), I can say that many armed guards I knew just plain wish they didn't have to even carry a gun on their job, because it got in the way by intimidating people if it was ever noteworthy at all.

My instructor was delightfully thorough, an ex-detective who wanted those in his class to feel ready to do something else after they save enough from watching cameras all day or something. shiat, I still have a probably very outdated copy of the state code sitting in a closet from that class.

I'll admit, it took me a long time to even notice the cognitive dissonance I harbored to qualified immunity. I agreed with the justification laid out in Pierson v. Ray, that an effective enforcer of the law should not live in fear of being sued to ruin for actions carried out in the line of duty, necessary to do their job. I also agreed the Joe Rent-A-Cop should not terrorize the local event center acting like King shiat looking for his hero moment because he has a $2 badge and a gun, and that if he does he should be made an example of to spell out to the rest of the crowd that force is only to be used in situations that absolutely demand it, and only as much as is required.

See the problem with that? Yeah, younger me was a dingus like that. Anyway, there is no good reason that we can't work to instill that same healthy fear into police departments as well. Someone holds a sign? You watch and document as necessary. Someone shouts? You project calm, level-headedness and try to diffuse the situation. Yes, that means setting your ego aside, putting on your best poker face if you can't muster a polite smile, and sometimes offering to assist someone you really want to lay out with a good right-hook. Things get tense beyond that? Find a non-threatening way to call for sufficient but minimal backup if you don't already have someone with you. Someone throws a punch? You attempt to restrain, and also prepare to log absolutely everything. Beyond that? Use the tools available in order, and remember at all points that that gun doesn't come out of the holster unless you have concluded that you absolutely cannot resolve the situation without killing the person in front of you.

/Btw, do try to be nice to non-asshole guards if they ever have to bug you about something or you have to bug them. It's usually treated as a service job with extra paperwork, and they're legit there to help most times. The almost-intimidating pretend cop bling is a corporate decision many would happily do without.
 
2021-01-28 3:19:08 AM  
I'm Half Baked but that sounds like an AmeriCone Dream
 
2021-01-28 3:20:50 AM  
I can't photoshop, but the idea of "Blue Tart Reform" (blue raspberry based with chunks of dark chocolate) sounds pretty good right now.
 
2021-01-28 3:23:15 AM  

jook: I can't photoshop, but the idea of "Blue Tart Reform" (blue raspberry based with chunks of dark chocolate) sounds pretty good right now.


Put it on a waffle cone!
Blue Waffle Tart Reform.
 
2021-01-28 3:23:49 AM  
I swear to god, if they release a Bernie's Mittens flavor I will buy every carton I see. You know that's got to have a syrup flavor
 
2021-01-28 3:24:39 AM  
Supporters of qualified immunity argue it's necessary to protect officers from frivolous lawsuits -- like the political advocacy group National Police Support Fund, who says ending the policy could discourage people from choosing careers in law enforcement.

Maybe it's just me being a liberal snowflake and everything, but I prefer to think that if you're worried about getting sued for violating the rights of others pursuent to your job as a LEO, then maybe you shouldn't be a LEO to begin with? Just a thought.
 
2021-01-28 3:26:11 AM  
The idea of QI makes sense. If a truly novel situation exists, one with no similar rulings by relevant courts, I don't mind if a cop cannot be sued when some split court, or back and forth judgments during appeals, isn't expected to be right all the time.

In practice, if a cop punches Mike in the face for no reason and since nobody ever punched Mike before, he gets QI. Then he punches Jeff in the chin next week, after the courts said punching mikes in the face is a no-go. He gets QI again.

That's farking stupid, and the courts clearly farking established no random punching with Mike's case.

/I'd love to say the above is hyperbole, but at best it is mild exaggeration.
 
2021-01-28 3:30:34 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: hubiestubert: Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.

The difficulty will be the union protections. And do you want to undercut unions to get to bad cops?

We already have bad cops and far too many of them.

The union can stay and they won't be able to do fark all to protect an officer that abuses their authority if qualified immunity was removed. You can't be a cop if you have a felony and they aren't going to be reporting to work while in jail. Qualified immunity is why you don't see bad cops charged with the crimes the commit while in uniform by DAs because it is an ironclad defense against the charges, so there would be no point in filing them, even if you undeniable evidence that they committed a crime, even murder, especially if their training the the department policies were followed.


police unions can take a flying f*ck at the moon. they are the most purely fascistic municipal organizations that exist. their sole purpose is to get dirty cops off the hook and rake in money from scared rubes who think they do anything constructive. and if you happen to be a part of another trade union? go f*ck yourself. the police union is champing at the bit to curb stomp your sorry ass the moment you utter the word strike. its mafia sh*t.
 
2021-01-28 3:35:32 AM  
Fyi, Gozar The Destroyer, QI doesn't apply to criminal trials at all.

And even if it were, your follow up that it is ironclad is clearly proven false by a number of tried and convicted cops.

Try to keep up with what you rant about.
 
2021-01-28 3:39:45 AM  
Cherry Garcia?

/like that guys name
 
2021-01-28 3:43:13 AM  

Weatherkiss: Supporters of qualified immunity argue it's necessary to protect officers from frivolous lawsuits -- like the political advocacy group National Police Support Fund, who says ending the policy could discourage people from choosing careers in law enforcement.

Maybe it's just me being a liberal snowflake and everything, but I prefer to think that if you're worried about getting sued for violating the rights of others pursuent to your job as a LEO, then maybe you shouldn't be a LEO to begin with? Just a thought.


Which is part of why officers should want to wear cameras: It's pretty hard for some asshole looking for a payout to claim you abused them if you just roll the tape and they're obviously lying.
 
2021-01-28 3:46:31 AM  

erik-k: Weatherkiss: Supporters of qualified immunity argue it's necessary to protect officers from frivolous lawsuits -- like the political advocacy group National Police Support Fund, who says ending the policy could discourage people from choosing careers in law enforcement.

Maybe it's just me being a liberal snowflake and everything, but I prefer to think that if you're worried about getting sued for violating the rights of others pursuent to your job as a LEO, then maybe you shouldn't be a LEO to begin with? Just a thought.

Which is part of why officers should want to wear cameras: It's pretty hard for some asshole looking for a payout to claim you abused them if you just roll the tape and they're obviously lying.


Or as the cops always say, "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear."
 
2021-01-28 3:49:24 AM  

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2021-01-28 4:08:41 AM  
Take Civil Asset Forfeiture with it...
 
2021-01-28 4:12:37 AM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Gelato Lemon With Tangerine?


That actually sounds yummy.

/ice cream addict
 
2021-01-28 4:14:58 AM  
"We are now united in a coalition that is resolved to end this get-out-of-jail free card for bad cops,"

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Booker and Pressley may need to revisit their previously stated positions on this.
 
2021-01-28 4:25:03 AM  
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"I forgot to tell my husband that I had become a virtual vigilante.  But he just sighed and said, 'Oh, you!'"
 
2021-01-28 4:25:31 AM  
(dammit, too many tabs open, wrong thread)
 
2021-01-28 4:30:19 AM  
There has to be a reckoning for society to work. Cops, like taxes and vegetables, are a necessary evil. They're not going anywhere. The only option is to kick out and punish criminals who wear badges.
 
2021-01-28 4:56:47 AM  

hubiestubert: Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.

The difficulty will be the union protections. And do you want to undercut unions to get to bad cops?


Actually, couple the end of qualified immunity with union funded professional liability insurance for cops (where the union's funds are on the line) and watch how quickly they police their own.  Unions will immediately develop methods to weed out cops they deem more likely to tap into that insurance, and will do what they can to prevent hiring such cops in the first place.

Hell, you don't even need unions to create this incentive - withhold some portion of police pay (10%?) and use it to fund a police defense and judgement payout fund.  Actuarily determine the amount needed in the fund to cover claims, and at the end of a year, any excess is in the fund is distributed to those who paid in.  No claims - everyone gets the whole 10% back.  Lots of claims?  Might get nothing back.  Whole lot of claims?  Maybe the withholding amount for this coming year needs to be increased.  Sure there's issues with retirees, new hires, etc., but companies work that kind of stuff out all the time.  The goal is to turn bad police conduct into a direct financial hit to the entire force - give them a reason (besides decency and it being the right thing to do) to weed out bad cops on their own.
 
2021-01-28 7:13:57 AM  

Barfmaker: NFL stars Tom Brady and Drew Brees are among the more than 1,500 athletes and artists who have endorsed the campaign, which is also supported by 671 business leaders

These guys know how to organize.

I'm actually surprised to see Brady on there, I assumed he'd be a thin blue line guy.


Fwiw, I've heard reports from his teammates saying he's surprisingly not always an asshole - pretty chill and helps out a lot during practice.  Not the typical frat bro you'd see in a lifted truck with a thin blue line sticker on it.
 
2021-01-28 7:18:18 AM  

hubiestubert: Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.

The difficulty will be the union protections. And do you want to undercut unions to get to bad cops?


This seems like a false dichotomy. Just write laws SPECIFIC to law enforcement?
 
2021-01-28 7:39:20 AM  

saturn badger: winterbraid: "LOOK OUT HE'S GOT A PINT!" BLAM

CRAP! IT WAS PELOSI!!!!

/they still talk about her ice cream and freezer
//all. the. time.


Unlike Fark with Donnie Twoscoops.
 
2021-01-28 7:55:11 AM  
If they succeed, look for police unions to write into their contracts that their government employers indemnify the members for any financial liabilities incurred that are associated with their employment.
 
2021-01-28 7:56:59 AM  

jjorsett: saturn badger: winterbraid: "LOOK OUT HE'S GOT A PINT!" BLAM

CRAP! IT WAS PELOSI!!!!

/they still talk about her ice cream and freezer
//all. the. time.

Unlike Fark with Donnie Twoscoops.


Who?
 
2021-01-28 8:06:18 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [Fark user image image 800x803]


I was gonna try to think up an Ahab/Blue Whale vanilla - but this soooo much better😅
 
2021-01-28 8:11:02 AM  

Weatherkiss: Supporters of qualified immunity argue it's necessary to protect officers from frivolous lawsuits -- like the political advocacy group National Police Support Fund, who says ending the policy could discourage people from choosing careers in law enforcement.

Maybe it's just me being a liberal snowflake and everything, but I prefer to think that if you're worried about getting sued for violating the rights of others pursuent to your job as a LEO, then maybe you shouldn't be a LEO to begin with? Just a thought.


Yeah...but then what? Go work in a factory? Go deliver Pizza? Prison hack. These are men of the community! They go to church.

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2021-01-28 8:23:11 AM  

hubiestubert: Cafe Threads: GLWT.

Seriously. Best of luck in this endeavor.

The difficulty will be the union protections. And do you want to undercut unions to get to bad cops?


If a union is protecting bad cops, then yes, I want to undercut that union. Not just undercut, but have it sued for every penny of assets and bankrupts, and blow it out of existence.
 
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