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(AZCentral)   Two AZ state legislators who went to the Capitol rally/riot because freedom refuse to release their phone records because freedom   (azcentral.com) divider line
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1852 clicks; posted to Politics » on 27 Jan 2021 at 2:28 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-01-27 1:44:54 PM  
And it's not like the FBI can just ask their carriers, along with hundreds of other users' data with no warrant.
 
2021-01-27 1:48:56 PM  
It's been mentioned before, but these "patriots" are just now beginning to learn that they aren't dealing with local or state LEOs, or even the usual FBI offices. They are now dealing with the same folks who have spent 20 years learning how to track down and deal with other terrorists. And they have become exceedingly efficient at it.
 
2021-01-27 2:01:27 PM  
No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
 
2021-01-27 2:04:23 PM  
They're f*cked.
 
2021-01-27 2:06:51 PM  
The letter also noted the ongoing FBI investigation into the storming of the U.S. Capitol and added that even if the lawmakers agreed the records were public, "the threat of criminal prosecution gives rise to certain Constitutional rights that may overcome the duty to disclose otherwise public documents under Arizona's public records law."

Pleading the 5th to a public information request is a great look.
 
2021-01-27 2:08:21 PM  
How strong can your convictions be if you're trying to hide evidence of them?
 
2021-01-27 2:09:36 PM  
I don't know anything about Arizona open records laws. In some states, my non-lawyer understanding of their open records laws can include "official" communion on personal devices.
 
2021-01-27 2:11:52 PM  

Unobtanium: I don't know anything about Arizona open records laws. In some states, my non-lawyer understanding of their open records laws can include "official" communion on personal devices.


Don't the wafers and wine make a mess out the phone?
 
2021-01-27 2:13:03 PM  

Diogenes: Unobtanium: I don't know anything about Arizona open records laws. In some states, my non-lawyer understanding of their open records laws can include "official" communion on personal devices.

Don't the wafers and wine make a mess out the phone?


Nice catch. :-)
 
Bf+
2021-01-27 2:29:33 PM  
Insurrection.  Not Riot.
Riots lack organization.
 
2021-01-27 2:30:57 PM  
*finally gets phone records, goes through list*
"Ok, let's dial this first number"
*phone rings*
"Hello, this is Grindr support, how can we help you?"
 
2021-01-27 2:32:27 PM  
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2021-01-27 2:34:19 PM  
the patriot act should cover this, no?
 
2021-01-27 2:34:45 PM  

dionysusaur: And it's not like the FBI can just ask their carriers, along with hundreds of other users' data with no warrant.


Well, given we know they were in DC specifically to take part in the "rally", perhaps there's a compelling case to get a warrant? I'm fine with making the FBI jump through legal hoops to ensure rights are respected.
 
2021-01-27 2:35:11 PM  
Step 1. Ask them to denounce the Proud Boys on live tv.

Step 2. [Redacted by Canada]

Step 3. [Redacted by USA]

Step 4. Justice.
 
2021-01-27 2:36:15 PM  
The government already has those records because Technology.
 
2021-01-27 2:36:40 PM  

dionysusaur: And it's not like the FBI can just ask their carriers, along with hundreds of other users' data with no warrant.


As long as the check doesn't bounce.
 
2021-01-27 2:37:57 PM  
FTA: "Look at the nature of the communication. Are you acting in an official capacity?" he said.

Presuming that they were committing insurrection, or inciting it, or conspiring to it... were they doing so in their official capacity, or their private capacity?
 
2021-01-27 2:38:13 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.


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2021-01-27 2:38:44 PM  
Silly Subby, if they release their phone records, they wouldn't have freedom.
 
2021-01-27 2:40:07 PM  

eKonk: dionysusaur: And it's not like the FBI can just ask their carriers, along with hundreds of other users' data with no warrant.

Well, given we know they were in DC specifically to take part in the "rally", perhaps there's a compelling case to get a warrant? I'm fine with making the FBI jump through legal hoops to ensure rights are respected.


Actually, now that I RTFA and this...

A photo from Jan. 6 appears to show Kern on the Capitol steps wearing a coat and tie.

However, the lawyer for Finchem and Kern, Alexander Kolodin, described the men as attending a rally as private citizens.


I see a slam-dunk case for getting the records. We have very clear evidence that they broke the law (or at least the dumbass in the photo) and took part in the insurrection attempt. Get the warrant, get the phone records, hold them accountable for their actions.

/farking seditious bastards
 
2021-01-27 2:40:32 PM  

capn' fun: It's been mentioned before, but these "patriots" are just now beginning to learn that they aren't dealing with local or state LEOs, or even the usual FBI offices. They are now dealing with the same folks who have spent 20 years learning how to track down and deal with other terrorists. And they have become exceedingly efficient at it.


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2021-01-27 2:42:49 PM  
In recent years the advantages of being a defrocked congressman have dwindled.  The MyPillow testimonial, the Enron endorsement, and even the holy grail Hydroxychloroquine spokesperson jobs have not proved viable.

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Even the Whitening concoctions.

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2021-01-27 2:43:52 PM  

Diogenes: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.

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I knew we couldn't trust that ladder.
 
2021-01-27 2:44:11 PM  
Fark has been light on Gritty today.

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2021-01-27 2:44:42 PM  

Diogenes: How strong can your convictions be if you're trying to hide evidence of them?


Well, there are convictions, and there are Convictions. Only one kind leads to involuntary government housing.
 
2021-01-27 2:44:49 PM  
Guilty.
 
2021-01-27 2:44:53 PM  

capn' fun: It's been mentioned before, but these "patriots" are just now beginning to learn that they aren't dealing with local or state LEOs, or even the usual FBI offices. They are now dealing with the same folks who have spent 20 years learning how to track down and deal with other terrorists. And they have become exceedingly efficient at it.


Have they, though? Domestic Terrorism is now the #1 threat to the country. These Terrorists just attempted a coup at the Capitol of the United States, and have numerous elected officials supporting them.  How effective has the FBI actually been?
 
2021-01-27 2:45:27 PM  
But Finchem has said he had left the area, did not witness any violence and was not aware the Capitol was breached until later that evening.

Ha ha ha ha yeah right bull farking shiat.
 
2021-01-27 2:47:44 PM  

Diogenes: How strong can your convictions be if you're trying to hide evidence of them?


The really sad part is that had the insurrection succeeded they'd be trumpeting their participation from the rooftops.

Let that sink in.
 
2021-01-27 2:53:25 PM  

Mr. skaw: Diogenes: How strong can your convictions be if you're trying to hide evidence of them?

The really sad part is that had the insurrection succeeded they'd be trumpeting their participation from the rooftops.

Let that sink in.


Of course. They want power, but never accountability. Doesn't matter if they have to lie or whatever to avoid accountability. Because they know they're in the wrong, and simply don't care.
 
2021-01-27 2:54:05 PM  
At the door there's a guy
Looks like he's FBI
That's subpoenas
 
2021-01-27 2:54:07 PM  
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2021-01-27 2:57:05 PM  
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Every morning I ask this question and every day my well spent tax dollars will be used to lock these seditionist farksticks up with my gratitude.
 
2021-01-27 2:57:29 PM  

ValisIV: capn' fun: It's been mentioned before, but these "patriots" are just now beginning to learn that they aren't dealing with local or state LEOs, or even the usual FBI offices. They are now dealing with the same folks who have spent 20 years learning how to track down and deal with other terrorists. And they have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Have they, though? Domestic Terrorism is now the #1 threat to the country. These Terrorists just attempted a coup at the Capitol of the United States, and have numerous elected officials supporting them.  How effective has the FBI actually been?


Too early to know. In the scheme of things, you round up the small fish to see what bigger fish that may catch you. Rinse, repeat.
 
2021-01-27 2:58:14 PM  
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2021-01-27 3:00:11 PM  

ValisIV: Mr. skaw: Diogenes: How strong can your convictions be if you're trying to hide evidence of them?

The really sad part is that had the insurrection succeeded they'd be trumpeting their participation from the rooftops.

Let that sink in.

Of course. They want power, but never accountability. Doesn't matter if they have to lie or whatever to avoid accountability. Because they know they're in the wrong, and simply don't care.


Hence all the "outrage" at ppl trying to hold them to account for their actions. Unfortunately their base eats this shiat for breakfast, and they know it.
 
2021-01-27 3:02:54 PM  

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Close the barn door behind you....
 
2021-01-27 3:03:24 PM  
Just get it from NSA already.
 
2021-01-27 3:06:54 PM  
Yeah, no worries.  FBI already tracking.
 
2021-01-27 3:07:07 PM  
But, their emails!
 
2021-01-27 3:11:45 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.


Just smash the phones like Hillary did and then claim they did not know what they did was against the law. Works for Democrats, should work for republicans too, right?
 
2021-01-27 3:20:55 PM  
FTFA:Arizona courts have ruled that records on a public official's private device can be considered a public record if those records relate to public business and the phone was used for a public purpose.

sedition and treason of a public official isn't public purpose apparently

dafuq
 
2021-01-27 3:22:11 PM  
So, they admit that they're basically suspects in their own minds, and are now lawyering up, accordingly.

So much for conservatives and their, "if you've got nothing to hide...." - now they want the ACLU on their side.
 
2021-01-27 3:27:02 PM  
To quote the great scholar Gu9l1n1

"Who hides evidence? Criminals hide evidence. Not honest people. ", when talking about Dominion at the stir up the crazies insurrection party
 
2021-01-27 3:32:31 PM  

pmdgrwr: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.

Just smash the phones like Hillary did and then claim they did not know what they did was against the law. Works for Democrats, should work for republicans too, right?


Boy my farkie for you worked out better than I could have hoped.
 
2021-01-27 3:50:46 PM  

dionysusaur: And it's not like the FBI can just ask their carriers, along with hundreds of other users' data with no warrant.


The tricky part is using it in court.
 
2021-01-27 3:54:12 PM  

pmdgrwr: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.

Just smash the phones like Hillary did and then claim they did not know what they did was against the law. Works for Democrats, should work for republicans too, right?


Bbbbbbut Hillary!!!!!
 
2021-01-27 3:56:22 PM  

pmdgrwr: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.

Just smash the phones like Hillary did and then claim they did not know what they did was against the law. Works for Democrats, should work for republicans too, right?


False Equivalencies.  Really scraping the bottom of the barrel to mention Hillary, but I do have you tagged as having a hate-on for her, so I guess it wasn't completely unexpected.
 
2021-01-27 3:57:51 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: pmdgrwr: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The government already has those records because Technology.

Just smash the phones like Hillary did and then claim they did not know what they did was against the law. Works for Democrats, should work for republicans too, right?

False Equivalencies.  Really scraping the bottom of the barrel to mention Hillary, but I do have you tagged as having a hate-on for her, so I guess it wasn't completely unexpected.


And it doesn't even make sense.  Given the proposition that the government already has the records.
 
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