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(The Atlantic)   All presidents lie, including Joe Biden   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2021-01-26 11:30:35 AM  
That's the least of our problems now.
 
2021-01-26 11:35:05 AM  
Biden said good morning. But in reality it was 11.25 Eastern which could hardly be considered morning anymore.

So yeah, every bit the liar that Trump is
 
2021-01-26 11:38:45 AM  
Not only a worthless article, a worthless green.

You want a president that doesn't lie?  Good luck sleeping at night.
 
2021-01-26 11:46:29 AM  
So you're telling me both sides are bad.  I guess I'll just have to vote Republican, then.
 
2021-01-26 11:47:32 AM  
I hate this shiat. This is how we got Trump. "All politicians are liars so there's no point in trying to have decent people in government."
 
2021-01-26 11:59:30 AM  

ArkPanda: I hate this shiat. This is how we got Trump. "All politicians are liars so there's no point in trying to have decent people in government."


And they run these articles because they need the clicks to drive ad revenue, damn the results.

At least the Page 3 girl pictures are less hypocritical.
 
2021-01-26 12:01:36 PM  
LOL.. you know we're all screwed when the Left's propagandists are already trying to tell their voters that it's OK for the President to lie to them.

If you look at it the right way, then $1400 really does equal $2000 and "sometime in March" is pretty much the same as "immediate".  So shut up and show your gratitude if you know what's good for you.
 
2021-01-26 12:10:43 PM  
All politicians lie. Not all politicians deny physical reality and demand that you believe in their fantasy world.
 
2021-01-26 12:14:31 PM  
I think this is the crux: "...the press and the public should resist the temptation to assume that the Biden administration will always be on the level, or that its dishonesties can be forgiven because Joe Biden's predecessor wielded falsehood with such abandon."
 
2021-01-26 12:27:38 PM  
They couldn't find anything to get him on now, so all they can come up with is, "But he'll be just like Trump soon, just you wait!" so that when and if it does happen they can to another brilliant "told ya so!" thinkpiece.

/Went to go take a leak earlier and journalism came out!
 
2021-01-26 12:41:48 PM  
All presidents lie because all humans lie, therefore the nature and the amount of lying matters. "We import more oil today than ever before" - Obama, 2009. This wasn't true but also isn't terribly consequential. Oil imports peaked in 2005, he was four years off. "Between three and five million illegal votes cause me to lose the popular vote" - Trump, 2017. This isn't true but it is consequential. It does damage. It questions the integrity of our entire election process and could lead to, I don't know, folks who believe it storming the capital in an attempt to overturn an election they believe was stolen from their guy. Likewise, eighteen lies over eight years is much different than thirty-thousand over four.
 
2021-01-26 12:48:37 PM  
All presidents lie, but some presidents like Trump are allowed to by dishonest media that does not hold every person to the same level of accountability.

It took years for most major outlets to even use the word 'lie' with regard to Trump.  And here we have The Atlantic, busting it out in Week One.
 
2021-01-26 12:50:49 PM  
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toraque: All presidents lie, but some presidents like Trump are allowed to by dishonest media that does not hold every person to the same level of accountability.

It took years for most major outlets to even use the word 'lie' with regard to Trump.  And here we have The Atlantic, busting it out in Week One.


Yep, and The Atlantic can EABOD.
 
2021-01-26 12:55:57 PM  
All magazines publish bullshiat trollbait, including The Atlantic.
 
2021-01-26 12:58:39 PM  
No shiat. Only one made a career out of it.
 
2021-01-26 1:04:26 PM  
Biden Will Lie to You
All presidents do.


God, f*ck off.
 
2021-01-26 1:04:59 PM  
where's my $2000, that was a lie
 
2021-01-26 1:05:37 PM  
If the last administration didn't make it abundantly clear, lying should not be measured binarily but by quantity.
 
2021-01-26 1:06:03 PM  

Lucky LaRue: If you look at it the right way, then $1400 really does equal $2000 and "sometime in March" is pretty much the same as "immediate".  So shut up and show your gratitude if you know what's good for you.


LOL... you know we're all screwed when Insurrectionist party propagandists are trying to claim that it's the democratic party blocking approval of the senate rules right now.
 
2021-01-26 1:06:31 PM  

Lucky LaRue: LOL.. you know we're all screwed when the Left's propagandists are already trying to tell their voters that it's OK for the President to lie to them.

If you look at it the right way, then $1400 really does equal $2000 and "sometime in March" is pretty much the same as "immediate".  So shut up and show your gratitude if you know what's good for you.


Still better than the flaming dumpster fire you had before.

And good luck trying to convince people otherwise.
 
2021-01-26 1:07:02 PM  
I can't wait for Biden's free college announcement:

"If you like your proctor, you can keep your proctor!"
 
2021-01-26 1:07:17 PM  

Lucky LaRue: LOL.. you know we're all screwed when the Left's propagandists are already trying to tell their voters that it's OK for the President to lie to them.

If you look at it the right way, then $1400 really does equal $2000 and "sometime in March" is pretty much the same as "immediate".  So shut up and show your gratitude if you know what's good for you.


Oh god, you're back. Switched accounts back to your fart sniffer one, eh?
 
2021-01-26 1:07:49 PM  
Well, that was a shiatty article.  But someone had a quota to fill
 
2021-01-26 1:07:50 PM  
the Trump administration had nearly reached that pace

NEARLY.

So, NOT.
 
2021-01-26 1:07:52 PM  
I fully expect President Biden to say things that are not true.

Some non-zero amount of those things will be honest mistakes based on bad information.

Some non-zero amount of those things will be intentionally misleading.

Some significant amounts of those things will be in-between the extremes.  The lions share is in there.  The hope is it's more about interpretation or source information than intentionally misleading.

All humans lie, all politicians lie more than the average human.  The question is whether it is done with malice or not.
 
2021-01-26 1:08:30 PM  
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Comes with the job.
 
2021-01-26 1:08:37 PM  
All presidents lie.

All presidents should be held accountable for their lies. If their lies are minor and inconsequential, an article in the newspaper to shame the president is probably enough. If their lies are criminal and cause severe issues for the country, such as attacks on the integrity of our elections or literally incite an insurrection attempt against our country, the president should be impeached, convicted, and then tried criminally.

We can apply the same standard to every president, regardless of party affiliation.  I have heard no one suggest that Biden should be above the law.  So yes, when you catch him in a lie, call him out on it. I'll be right there with you. Just don't pretend all lies are equal, or that all consequences of lying should be the same.
 
2021-01-26 1:08:41 PM  
Most presidents are cognizant of the truth, even when they choose to withhold it.

In that respect, Biden is infinitely better than the last guy.
 
2021-01-26 1:09:25 PM  
It's a catch 22; people want a president who doesn't lie to them, but when someone speaks too carefully to avoid lying, like Bill Clinton during his impeachment, they accuse them off being "inauthentic" and lawyerly.

Also, it's not lying to speak differently/say different things to different audiences. It doesn't make me fundamentally dishonest that I talk differently to my friends than I do my grandma, or my boss.
 
2021-01-26 1:09:30 PM  
This means everything is normal. Nothing out of the ordinary expected this Friday.
 
2021-01-26 1:09:49 PM  
And lies should be called out on the spot. This was true for Obama and bush jr, and so on and so on. I do not expect biden to lie like trump though. I expect biden may try for example to fudge the truth on certain stats to advance his legislative agenda. The media should push back on that. Let's not pretend though that is in any way comparable to lying to your supporters that you won an election you lost and that they should therefore start an insurrection. It's not the same ballpark, it's not even the same damn sport.
 
2021-01-26 1:09:49 PM  

Lucky LaRue: If you look at it the right way, then $1400 really does equal $2000 and "sometime in March" is pretty much the same as "immediate".  So shut up and show your gratitude if you know what's good for you.


Intentionally dishonest, skewing situations beyond credibility.

You never stop playing the conservative playbook.  You keep being you, LaRue.
 
2021-01-26 1:09:58 PM  
I think it must be said that there are different levels of magnitude where lying is concerned.  I'm not saying it's okay.  But the level and frequency with which Drumpf was guilty, was just completely different.

All politicians lie, yes.  But that does not mean they are equal.
 
2021-01-26 1:09:59 PM  
Wake me up when Biden lies about something as petty as the size of a crowd, or draws on a map with a sharpie rather than admit he was wrong.
 
2021-01-26 1:10:16 PM  
The only thing that matters in conservative politics is winning, it's their only metric.

Never bother defending Biden policies or statements to them, because they don't actually care. Just point out that they bet it all on a one term loser and move on.
 
2021-01-26 1:10:29 PM  

Lucky LaRue: LOL.. you know we're all screwed when the Left's propagandists are already trying to tell their voters that it's OK for the President to lie to them.



So whoever wrote that click-bait BS article. is an official left wing propagandist? Working for who? The WH? The DNC?
Does your mommy have to check under your bed for monsters at night?
 
2021-01-26 1:10:51 PM  
Thanks Atlantic, that was certainly an article that needed to be written.
 
2021-01-26 1:11:03 PM  

Khellendros: Lucky LaRue: If you look at it the right way, then $1400 really does equal $2000 and "sometime in March" is pretty much the same as "immediate".  So shut up and show your gratitude if you know what's good for you.

Intentionally dishonest, skewing situations beyond credibility.

You never stop playing the conservative playbook.  You keep being you, LaRue.


Yeah, I'm not taking the words of someone who confused Florida for Mexico seriously.
 
2021-01-26 1:11:24 PM  

ArkPanda: I hate this shiat. This is how we got Trump. "All politicians are liars so there's no point in trying to have decent people in government."


This is the bullshiat that has destroyed the black vote. I can't tell you how many of my brothers and sisters are totally apathetic because who occupies the WH has NEVER really mattered to their lives (so they think).
 
2021-01-26 1:12:18 PM  
It really sucks that I have to put the Atlantic into the same shiatpile as the NYPost or  The Hill.  Weren't they a respectable publication at one time?

I can't read this farking crap anymore.
 
2021-01-26 1:12:22 PM  
At this point, if a president and his functionaries aren't telling at least ten blatant and easily disproven lies a day, can they really be said to be lying?
 
2021-01-26 1:13:18 PM  
Wow, somebody in The Atlantic is in serious Trump Withdrawal.

Like, seriously... you can't wait for the man to even actually lie about something?  "Be afraid, hypothetically Biden might attempt to misrepresent something in some way at some point"?

... really?

This "opinion" is barely good enough to carry the filler slot in an edition of NRO, much less an actual magazine.  Just write a fluff piece about how your dog is learning to fetch or something if you've got nothing.  Jesus.
 
2021-01-26 1:13:18 PM  
Uh - after the last four f***ing years, I'm pretty sure a statement like that now has to be qualified - like on a scale of 1 to 10, in relation to Trump's excesses:  "It was a 2.6 on Trump Scale - a little word massage, but basically in line with facts".
 
2021-01-26 1:13:43 PM  

theteacher: the Trump administration had nearly reached that pace

NEARLY.

So, NOT.


Also, that pace will need to be maintained, which may not be that easy since there aren't 100 (or 200?) million vaccines ready to be distributed.
 
2021-01-26 1:13:55 PM  
Kindly fark off with your BSAB subby.
 
2021-01-26 1:14:03 PM  
"Lie by omission, misdirection, understatement."

In other words, tell the truth in the way that Mr. Double Standards writer here wouldn't frame it.

Nobody in the world would listen to anyone that spent paragraphs being that discursive. Not to mention that just because you disagree with President Biden's opinion, doesn't mean he's "lying".

This article is attempting to redefine "lie" from "a deliberate falsehood about a provable statement" to "any communication I dislike". By its own standard, it is a lie.
 
2021-01-26 1:14:10 PM  
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So this guy doesn't seem like a maniac or bootlicker based on his previous work, so I'm inclined to say that his boss needed an article while he's busy with Cyberpunk.
 
2021-01-26 1:14:41 PM  
All presidents do not insist that what you are seeing with your own eyes is not true like trump did - or accuse someone else of doing the horrible things that he is actually doing
 
2021-01-26 1:14:50 PM  
Yes, all presidents lie, most often not for the right reasons.   Then there is Trump and his gang who have taken the Big Lie to Soviet era levels of expertise and effectiveness in order to harm the country.  There might be a slight difference in degree, but no doubt the author's concerns are a valid danger signal in his opinion.
 
2021-01-26 1:16:02 PM  

mattj1984: Kindly fark off with your BSAB subby.


I was going to go with just that, myself, lol - but I had a coupla extra minutes
 
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