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2021-01-26 10:08:20 AM  
47 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.
 
2021-01-26 10:11:34 AM  
35 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


Babylon 5 - Voices Of Authority (Restaurant Conversation)
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Pretty damn good, actually.
 
2021-01-26 9:59:46 AM  
31 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: I can't wait to see that fighter drop sequence 100 times but in glorious HD.


I loved that B5 at least attempted to show space physics with the Starfury compared to all the other Sci-Fi on at the time.
 
2021-01-26 10:15:26 AM  
25 votes:
In Valen's name...what a savings.

I am beyond excited about this. This was my favorite show growing up and it still holds up. (Except for the parts of the show that I choose to find charming because it was the 90's and they had no money.) But what does hold up are the political allegories that are far too prophetic these days. It's like the other 90's series Dinosaurs, which was satirical in the 90's and is too accurate these days for comfort.

It's a shame this news came out just days after Mira Furlan's passing. 2021 is giving me such whiplash.
 
2021-01-26 9:46:28 AM  
24 votes:
I wish this would have been announced prior to Mira's death. It feels a little creepy now like they are riding the news.
 
2021-01-26 10:41:11 AM  
20 votes:

optikeye: UNC_Samurai: That couldn't be helped, PTEN fell apart before they could finish the series

Ahh..Nope. JMS said from the get go on the usenet groups that he had a vision of ending at season 4 (or  3?) and that would be it. Right at the closure of 'the rock called out' and head on spike.
Then PTEN pulled up a truck of money and he said "well fark it...we can change our minds"


Wheee did you hear that? JMS always had a 5 year plan for the show. Season 4 was originally going to have more of the Earth Civil war, ending with the cliffhanger of Sheridan being captured and tortured.

When PTEN went under, the ending of the Earth Civil War was collapsed into that season and they even shot the series finale as the last episode of season 4. When TNT gave them a chance to do Season 5, they shot a replacement season finale and added the telepath storyline and a few extra filler episodes to pad out season 5 (although we did get a Neil Gaiman episode as part of the filler), which was originally going to cover the ending of the Earth Civil War, the founding of the Interstellar Alliance, and Fall of Centauri Prime.
 
2021-01-26 10:11:35 AM  
20 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


The story does. Frighteningly close to real life at times.

Don't get thrown by the graphics, esp the 1st season. It was the 90s, and the series was rendered on a Amiga.
 
2021-01-26 9:55:14 AM  
20 votes:
I can't wait to see that fighter drop sequence 100 times but in glorious HD.
 
2021-01-26 10:24:09 AM  
18 votes:

optikeye: Bslim: GardenWeasel: Bslim: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.

Because they were controlled, or not controlled enough?

Because I feel they never got closure. Also they treated Lyta like shiat and by "they" I mean the good guys.

It's a investment in time. The first season or two is character development and 'meh' stand alone story episodes. lines.....then it pulls it all together by season 3. And basically pulls out and goes limp at the last season.


Season 5 is proof that there is nothing that studio execs can't f*ck up
 
2021-01-26 10:01:12 AM  
18 votes:

Bslim: I thought the version I watched on Prime back in 2019 was a remaster.


That was basically the DVD version, which remastered it to widescreen but at the cost of making the CGI sequences look like utter crap. With this version, they rescanned the film negative but kept the original 4:3 aspect ratio so they could upscale the CGI more cleanly.

Maybe if this gets enough eyeballs on HBO Max they'll spring for redone special effects sequences. You could probably redo it all in Unreal Engine these days if you needed it redone relatively fast and cheap, and it would still look a lot better.
 
2021-01-26 12:07:59 PM  
17 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


Yes.  You need to go in realizing that it is a low budget, syndicated, 90s sci-fi show.  This means that the effects and some of the acting (mostly by guest stars) is below modern standards.  There are some cheesy subplots and a few bum episodes.  Season 1 is slow, and is mostly concerned with setting up the setting and characters.  Season 2 is the rising action.  Season 3 and 4 are some of the best things ever put on TV.  Season 5 has its issues, but the last 5 episodes and the Neil Gaiman episode are pretty good, and the last episode is probably the best series finale ever.

It is worth watching as a history lesson if nothing else.  B5 was one of the first modern shows to serialize a coherent story.  Before that, you could miss an episode or even a season of a show and pretty much pick up where you left off.  Without B5, I don't think modern TV would exist in its current state.  B5 also did it better than most modern shows, with arcs for the show and characters set up before anything was even filmed.

Things to watch: Take note of where characters start and end in the show.  Character development like that is pretty rare even today.  Pay attention to small lines of dialogue. They can sometimes pay off 50 episodes later.

/Disclaimer: B5 is my favorite show of all time.
 
2021-01-26 10:52:19 AM  
16 votes:
Cool. I don't remember much from this series, only that I think it was shown late at night. Currently re-watching Farscape....didn't remember much of that series as well. Some episodes are like acid trips:

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2021-01-26 10:12:48 AM  
15 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


Like DS9 it does rewatch well, I would actually say it's more rewatchable than battlestar.
 
2021-01-26 10:24:42 AM  
14 votes:

GardenWeasel: bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.

Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.


Crusade got dome dirty by TNT they really didn't get a real chance to succeed.
 
2021-01-26 9:58:08 AM  
14 votes:
I thought this was about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
 
2021-01-26 10:06:47 AM  
13 votes:
I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?
 
2021-01-26 11:09:11 AM  
12 votes:

gilgigamesh: kbronsito: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I saw it for the first time a few years ago. The production is dated. Even by 90s standard it was low budget. But the story was decent and there are a few good acting performances that made it worthwhile.

I think that's probably what threw me off originally. I'm pretty sure I tried watching an episode or two, and it just never clicked despite the fact that I'm a huge scifi fan.

Oddly enough I'm much more forgiving now of bad fx, as long as the story's decent.


The thing is the effects were perfectly serviceable for when it was made, rather imaginative, and really showed an era in which the special effects were still there to serve the story, as opposed to distract from a bad story or even a non-existent one. We now live in an era where the effects budget takes up two-thirds of a film's production and they often spend 2 years on them, but seem to knock the script out on the weekend and never look back.
 
2021-01-26 10:15:51 AM  
12 votes:

UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.


There's even a pandemic episode.
 
2021-01-26 11:29:59 AM  
11 votes:

optikeye: UNC_Samurai: That couldn't be helped, PTEN fell apart before they could finish the series

Ahh..Nope. JMS said from the get go on the usenet groups that he had a vision of ending at season 4 (or  3?) and that would be it. Right at the closure of 'the rock called out' and head on spike.
Then PTEN pulled up a truck of money and he said "well fark it...we can change our minds"


Not exactly.

PTEN collapsed as they were starting to make Season 4, and they wouldn't have funding to make anything beyond Season 4.  JMS condensed it down so that if that was it, the storyline would be wrapped up.  The actual finale was shot during Season 4, for example.

Towards the end, TNT came along, bought the show, and funded a Season 5.  The thing is, he'd wrapped the story up.  So, he took some various subplots and filler plots and stand-alone episodes he'd planned for Season 5 and those became Season 5, which is why it feels more disconnected.

The Telepath Colony plot arc?  That was supposed to just be one or two episodes, for example.

Then TNT commissioned Crusade, the spin-off series.  The problem is, as JMS would later describe it, is that after they committed to the show, their market research indicated that Babylon 5 was pulling in the "wrong" kind of viewer: that people who tuned in to watch Babylon 5 weren't too interested in the rest of the stuff on TNT and nobody was sticking around after watching B5 to watch other things on TNT.  So, they wanted to cancel the show, but they had a contract, so they kept making increasingly absurd and unrealistic content demands during production, knowing that either JMS would comply (and the show would be awful drek that would get lousy ratings and give them an excuse to cancel the show), or he'd keep refusing to comply, giving them a reason to cancel the show by saying the producer of the show was breaking network mandates.  So, Crusade was cancelled halfway into first season.
 
2021-01-26 11:18:29 AM  
10 votes:
En-til-zha Valen.  We live for the One, we die for the One.
 
2021-01-26 10:21:18 AM  
10 votes:

UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.


Good writing, and good characterization, are timeless.

Plus, the show enjoys asking profound questions, and speculating that there may be multiple answers.

CGI may come and go, but this saga, I predict, will prove to be a classic.
 
2021-01-26 11:21:34 AM  
9 votes:

Tarl3k: Bslim: I thought the version I watched on Prime back in 2019 was a remaster.

And does this mean that Amazon gave up the rights to HBO?  I'd prefer if that's the case, since I try to not do any business with Amazon anymore...


Then you miss The Expanse.
 
2021-01-26 10:32:12 AM  
9 votes:

GardenWeasel: Bslim: GardenWeasel: bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.

Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.

Crusade got dome dirty by TNT they really didn't get a real chance to succeed.

TNT: "Hey, you should scrap those uniforms, and use these choice $5 adult full-body onesies."


Every time I hear rumblings of a B5 reboot I always think the original series holds up just fine, the show that needs to get its full story is Crusade.
 
2021-01-26 10:28:02 AM  
9 votes:

GardenWeasel: optikeye: Bslim: GardenWeasel: Bslim: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.

Because they were controlled, or not controlled enough?

Because I feel they never got closure. Also they treated Lyta like shiat and by "they" I mean the good guys.

It's a investment in time. The first season or two is character development and 'meh' stand alone story episodes. lines.....then it pulls it all together by season 3. And basically pulls out and goes limp at the last season.

Season 5 is proof that there is nothing that studio execs can't f*ck up


That couldn't be helped, PTEN fell apart before they could finish the series, so they scrambled to finish the show before the lights got turned off.  Then TNT picked them up and they had to throw a story together.
 
2021-01-26 9:54:36 AM  
9 votes:

Bslim: I thought the version I watched on Prime back in 2019 was a remaster.


I think that was just modified for widescreen
 
2021-01-26 11:39:32 AM  
8 votes:

Mad_Radhu: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/OKL_I4pJ​s84]


Still my favorite line in the series:

"Captain, i think you're about to go where every man has gone before."
 
2021-01-26 11:21:49 AM  
8 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


Yes.

A good story overall, still stands up well a quarter-century later.

The special effects are just a tad dated, but they were done on a shoestring budget in the 90's so it's understandable, it's amazing they could do that back then (even if any random home computer could make better graphics now).

There's a reason we've been using the "Babylon 5 is NOT an instruction manual" meme. . .some parts, especially the whole plot arc with President Clark and a fascist takeover of EarthGov seemed rather prescient.
 
2021-01-26 11:14:52 AM  
8 votes:
Awww I was kind of hoping the news was about Space: Above & Beyond...
 
2021-01-26 10:47:08 AM  
8 votes:

GardenWeasel: bostonguy: GardenWeasel: Season 5 is proof that there is nothing that studio execs can't f*ck up

Once you get past the Byron arc, it's actually not that bad. It's not as good as seasons two through four, but it's not bad.

My complaints were more to do with the cast changes and dumping Claudia.


Yeah, casting Scoggins wasn't a smart move. The woman might be easy on the eyes but she couldn't pull off commander of a Mini Cooper never mind a space station.
 
2021-01-26 5:08:38 PM  
7 votes:

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: browneye: I thought this was about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

A space station in neutral territory?

A male captain, female xo, minority doctor?

An alien leader named Dukat (killed before present in B5)?

Powerful ancient races pulling the strings?

I don't know what you're talking about.


The history of DS9 copying B5.

/I really like both, but B5 was making a 22 hour season for the cost of two DS9 episodes. Imagine B5 with ST money?
 
2021-01-26 3:23:11 PM  
7 votes:

Lord Bear: I still have the Lurker's Guide bookmarked


For everyone's reading pleasure:

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countri​e​s/us/eplist.html
 
2021-01-26 2:43:15 PM  
7 votes:

madgonad: There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO, Grail, Eyes, and Legacies.


While they do not contribute as much to the plot, each features a important piece of world building.

TKO shows how humans are not as universally accepted as they are in most Sci-fi shows, and are the new kids still earnign their way in.

Grail shows a lot about he mysterious nature of the Vorlons, and how little is known about hem plus the lives of the lower decks of the station. The biggest thing about hat episode is Kosh's reaction at them end.

Eyes shows the start of the stuff Clark gets up to later with things like nightwatch, plus the dissatisfaction with sinclair

Legacies introduces Neroon, that alone is important, and is a starting point for some of the later Grey Council and Mimbari cast plot threads that come later. It also introduces how al the different racers treat telepaths.
 
2021-01-26 11:11:05 AM  
7 votes:

Mad_Radhu: although we did get a Neil Gaiman episode as part of the filler


An episode which might be the worst of the series, which isn't precisely Gaiman's fault- it's just a complete tonal shift from the rest of the show, but not in an interesting way, and plus it's saddled with celebrity guest stars doing a weird riff on their real-world personas. It's a weird historical curiosity.

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


So, the biggest hill to climb is the production value. It's lit and shot like a soap opera. The sets look cheap. The main cast is game for doing a lot of heavy lifting, but minor guest roles tend to go to whoever was on the lot that day, so you'll get some really really terrible line reads from minor characters. Weirdly, I'd actually say the CGI holds up better than most people say- they understood the limits of the tech they were working with, and designed to it. It's a lot of recycled FX shots, sure, but you have to keep in mind it was a weekly series, not intended to be binged.

But it's a fun story with interesting characters.
 
2021-01-26 10:47:20 AM  
7 votes:

Mad_Radhu: optikeye: UNC_Samurai: That couldn't be helped, PTEN fell apart before they could finish the series

Ahh..Nope. JMS said from the get go on the usenet groups that he had a vision of ending at season 4 (or  3?) and that would be it. Right at the closure of 'the rock called out' and head on spike.
Then PTEN pulled up a truck of money and he said "well fark it...we can change our minds"

Wheee did you hear that? JMS always had a 5 year plan for the show. Season 4 was originally going to have more of the Earth Civil war, ending with the cliffhanger of Sheridan being captured and tortured.

When PTEN went under, the ending of the Earth Civil War was collapsed into that season and they even shot the series finale as the last episode of season 4. When TNT gave them a chance to do Season 5, they shot a replacement season finale and added the telepath storyline and a few extra filler episodes to pad out season 5 (although we did get a Neil Gaiman episode as part of the filler), which was originally going to cover the ending of the Earth Civil War, the founding of the Interstellar Alliance, and Fall of Centauri Prime.


Yeah, it was always intended as a 5 year run.

Newsarama: JMS, you've called Babylon 5 a "novel made for television".  What made you want to tell the story on television, at a time when the serial format was the norm? And what kind of push back did you receive initially?

J. Michael Straczynski: The idea of saying "This is gonna go five years, and we're done" and "It's gonna have the structure of a novel," and that we're building toward a conclusion really had never been done.

But I've always been kind of a contrarian, so when someone tells me, "This hasn't been done" or "This can't be done," my first instinct is to go off and do the d*** thing.
 
2021-01-26 10:37:36 AM  
7 votes:

jimmiejaz: Kat09tails: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

Like DS9 it does rewatch well, I would actually say it's more rewatchable than battlestar.

blaspheme!


You know, I know some of you guys really love  Moore's BSG and I can understand the reasons why (I was on board for a while) but it is not an experience I want to revisit ever again. It became a chore and emotionally grinding waaaaay before that jacked-up ending that pissed people off.
 
2021-01-26 10:18:02 AM  
7 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Bslim: I thought the version I watched on Prime back in 2019 was a remaster.

That was basically the DVD version, which remastered it to widescreen but at the cost of making the CGI sequences look like utter crap. With this version, they rescanned the film negative but kept the original 4:3 aspect ratio so they could upscale the CGI more cleanly.

Maybe if this gets enough eyeballs on HBO Max they'll spring for redone special effects sequences. You could probably redo it all in Unreal Engine these days if you needed it redone relatively fast and cheap, and it would still look a lot better.


They shot the series in widescreen. But cropped it to 4:3 for broadcast release. The CGI was 4:3 from the start so that kinda screwed up the flow if you get the wide screen.
Also, the CGI was mostly done on a Amega using 'video toaster'. http://www.generationamiga.​com/2020/08​/30/how-24-commodore-amiga-2000s-creat​ed-babylon-5/
 
2021-01-26 9:59:05 AM  
7 votes:

GardenWeasel: I wish this would have been announced prior to Mira's death. It feels a little creepy now like they are riding the news.


I mean, sure, but these kinds of announcements are churning through the media pipeline weeks in advance.
 
2021-01-26 1:48:35 PM  
6 votes:
Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
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2021-01-26 12:11:10 PM  
6 votes:

optikeye: UNC_Samurai: That couldn't be helped, PTEN fell apart before they could finish the series

Ahh..Nope. JMS said from the get go on the usenet groups that he had a vision of ending at season 4 (or  3?) and that would be it. Right at the closure of 'the rock called out' and head on spike.
Then PTEN pulled up a truck of money and he said "well fark it...we can change our minds"


I've always heard that his original plan was to go 5 seasons, but when it looked like it was being cut short to 4 seasons, they took some scenes that were intended for season 5 and used it for a flashbacks episode in season 4 that took place in the future as well as filming a series finale.  When season 5 was green lit the finale was moved to the end of that season which is why you had actors who didn't appear in season 5 showing up in the series finale.
 
2021-01-26 11:59:56 AM  
6 votes:

Mad_Radhu: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

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Pretty damn good, actually.


Damn, so that's Kellyanne Conway's role model.
 
2021-01-26 11:50:24 AM  
6 votes:

Tarl3k: Bslim: I thought the version I watched on Prime back in 2019 was a remaster.

And does this mean that Amazon gave up the rights to HBO?  I'd prefer if that's the case, since I try to not do any business with Amazon anymore...


Babylon 5 was a Warner Brothers production, so the rights were always retained by Warnermedia, just sold off to Netflix, Go90, and then Amazon for streaming before Warnermedia had a proper streaming service to offer. Now that HBO Max is a thing, I'm expecting it to be Babylon 5'a forever home.
 
2021-01-26 10:21:57 AM  
6 votes:

Bslim: Lyta


Ah, Lyta... my love... sigh
 
2021-01-26 10:18:43 AM  
6 votes:

GardenWeasel: Bslim: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.

Because they were controlled, or not controlled enough?


Because I feel they never got closure. Also they treated Lyta like shiat and by "they" I mean the good guys.
 
2021-01-26 10:18:12 AM  
6 votes:
If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?
 
2021-01-26 9:57:25 AM  
6 votes:

GardenWeasel: I wish this would have been announced prior to Mira's death. It feels a little creepy now like they are riding the news.


I missed that news, went back and looked.  West Nile virus? I feel like the cast was cirsed or something.
 
2021-01-26 5:05:32 PM  
5 votes:
BirnoneJust look at the improvement this 4.6gb high res texture pack for Dragon Age Origins makes:
Vanilla on the left, high res on the right
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I can't see a pixel of difference.
 
2021-01-26 3:53:07 PM  
5 votes:

GardenWeasel: Tr0mBoNe: I can't wait to see that fighter drop sequence 100 times but in glorious HD.

I loved that B5 at least attempted to show space physics with the Starfury compared to all the other Sci-Fi on at the time.


Yeah, and no 'shield' tech. You get hit, you blow the fark up.
 
2021-01-26 2:54:47 PM  
5 votes:

Lord Bear: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

Yes.  You need to go in realizing that it is a low budget, syndicated, 90s sci-fi show.  This means that the effects and some of the acting (mostly by guest stars) is below modern standards.  There are some cheesy subplots and a few bum episodes.  Season 1 is slow, and is mostly concerned with setting up the setting and characters.  Season 2 is the rising action.  Season 3 and 4 are some of the best things ever put on TV.  Season 5 has its issues, but the last 5 episodes and the Neil Gaiman episode are pretty good, and the last episode is probably the best series finale ever.

It is worth watching as a history lesson if nothing else.  B5 was one of the first modern shows to serialize a coherent story.  Before that, you could miss an episode or even a season of a show and pretty much pick up where you left off.  Without B5, I don't think modern TV would exist in its current state.  B5 also did it better than most modern shows, with arcs for the show and characters set up before anything was even filmed.

Things to watch: Take note of where characters start and end in the show.  Character development like that is pretty rare even today.  Pay attention to small lines of dialogue. They can sometimes pay off 50 episodes later.

/Disclaimer: B5 is my favorite show of all time.


I agree with everything you said. I still have yet to find a series finale as satisfying as Sleeping in Light. However, I do believe The Good Place came close. If you've never watched The Good Place I recommend it.

I agree that B5 was unlike anything that came before, especially when it came to narrative arcs. It's the first show you really needed the to use internet in order to keep things straight. The Lurker's Guide became my favorite online haunt in the 90's. Reading JMS's comments on every episode was amazing.

B5 really set the standard for television storytelling, and a lot of it holds up very well today.
 
2021-01-26 2:16:43 PM  
5 votes:

madgonad: Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
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I was prepared for it to be the same SD 16:9 version with badly cropped CGI that they did previously, so them rescanning the film footage to HD was a pressing surprise when I fired up HBO Max this morning to check it out.

As I mentioned upthread, the tools for creating CGI footage are a lot cheaper now, so if the money is there to remaster the live action footage I'm hoping that down the road HBO Max might be willing to do an inexpensive CGI remaster. With the Unreal Engine being used more and more for film and TV production (the Mandalorian uses it for the digital sets), it probably wouldn't nearly as expensive to redo the effects as it used to be since you can output a good enough quality HD space battle scene in real time instead of having to render it for hours. They could probably hand some interns or recent graduates some free 3D models available on the web, a few workstations with some RTX 3080s, and they could probably knock out most of the footage fairy cheaply. Even the compositing work would be pretty easy for an intern to do with Adobe Creative Cloud these days.
 
2021-01-26 12:46:27 PM  
5 votes:

Two16: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

No.


I disagree seeing that there are some parallels to recent events.
 
2021-01-26 12:35:35 PM  
5 votes:

Mad_Radhu: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

[YouTube video: Babylon 5 - Voices Of Authority (Restaurant Conversation)]

Pretty damn good, actually.


An attractive blonde spouting lies about the issues.  Sometimes they were too spot on.
 
2021-01-26 11:58:31 AM  
5 votes:

Relatively Obscure: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I've watched it more than a few times :\

That said, Season 1 is not the same as Seasons 2-4, and Season 5 is not the same as either of those.

I'd guess that season 1 could be a bit of a slog for a newcomer.


Season 1 is necessary, but I'd recommend a newbie watch select episodes that set up future plot lines instead of doing the whole 20-some episodes (Midnight on the Firing Line, Mind War, And the Sky Full of Stars, Signs and Portents, The Quality of Mercy, A Voice in The Wilderness, Babylon Squared, Chrysalis).
 
2021-01-26 11:15:29 AM  
5 votes:

Nerfballhead: Awww I was kind of hoping the news was about Space: Above & Beyond...


Earth 2
 
2021-01-26 10:44:44 AM  
5 votes:
Honestly, the only thing they really needed to do was fix the effects.  There are some good performances in there.  No need for a remake/reboot.

Same with The Last Starfighter.
 
2021-01-26 10:36:18 AM  
5 votes:

GardenWeasel: optikeye: Bslim: GardenWeasel: Bslim: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.

Because they were controlled, or not controlled enough?

Because I feel they never got closure. Also they treated Lyta like shiat and by "they" I mean the good guys.

It's a investment in time. The first season or two is character development and 'meh' stand alone story episodes. lines.....then it pulls it all together by season 3. And basically pulls out and goes limp at the last season.

Season 5 is proof that there is nothing that studio execs can't f*ck up


Crusade.
 
2021-01-26 10:23:34 AM  
5 votes:

bostonguy: If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?


I'm just going to download it to have an offline copy. I already bought the full DVD box set with all the movies.
 
2021-01-26 10:19:34 AM  
5 votes:

bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.


Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.
 
2021-01-26 10:17:18 AM  
5 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


I saw it for the first time a few years ago. The production is dated. Even by 90s standard it was low budget. But the story was decent and there are a few good acting performances that made it worthwhile.
 
2021-01-26 2:28:21 PM  
4 votes:

Mad_Radhu: No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.


Thanks! And that makes me skeptical whether I should shell out $150 for all five seasons in the event that I'll lose viewing access one day.

(I miss the days when we just bought and owned stuff outright.)
 
2021-01-26 1:18:05 PM  
4 votes:
That's gonna end up on my plex server pretty soon
 
2021-01-26 12:59:50 PM  
4 votes:

cocozilla: netizencain: Couldnt someone take The Last Starfighter and redo all of the CGI.  Leave all the acting scenes untouched, just replace every single CGI shot?

Why? I mean where do you draw the line? It's one thing to go back and clean up a few effects such as doing wire removal or cleaning up matte lines, but to go back and replace effects is both a disservice to the original film and an insult to the people who originally created them with the technology and time that was available. And if the film is a good movie just sit back and enjoy it and don't try and judge its technical qualities to something that could be done today with vastly more resources.


For the Last Starfighter, the original effects were groundbreaking, so they should probably be left as is, just like with the Tron effects.

For Babylon 5, they always intended to redo the effects in HD later on with better technology, and there is a loss of visual quality when they go to a CGI scene in the HD version, so so I think for Babylon 5 it would make sense to do a full replacement that was in the spirit of the original composition (like with the updated effects for the HD versions of Star Trek TOS).
 
2021-01-26 11:32:11 AM  
4 votes:

Relatively Obscure: I'd guess that season 1 could be a bit of a slog for a newcomer.


Honestly, I started a rewatch awhile back (got sidetracked for reasons), and I was actually surprised at how much work S1 does to get the story moving. It's definitely more "episode of the week" than later seasons, but there's an important arc advance in every episode. The pilot movie is a bit rougher to watch- G'Kar and Londo aren't figured out as characters quite yet.
 
2021-01-26 11:31:14 AM  
4 votes:

Nerfballhead: Awww I was kind of hoping the news was about Space: Above & Beyond...


That one is also in my rewatch cycle. Great pilot. That series had potential.
 
2021-01-26 11:26:23 AM  
4 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


I've watched it more than a few times :\

That said, Season 1 is not the same as Seasons 2-4, and Season 5 is not the same as either of those.

I'd guess that season 1 could be a bit of a slog for a newcomer.
 
2021-01-26 10:38:25 AM  
4 votes:

GardenWeasel: Season 5 is proof that there is nothing that studio execs can't f*ck up


Once you get past the Byron arc, it's actually not that bad. It's not as good as seasons two through four, but it's not bad.
 
2021-01-26 10:34:21 AM  
4 votes:

UNC_Samurai: That couldn't be helped, PTEN fell apart before they could finish the series


Ahh..Nope. JMS said from the get go on the usenet groups that he had a vision of ending at season 4 (or  3?) and that would be it. Right at the closure of 'the rock called out' and head on spike.
Then PTEN pulled up a truck of money and he said "well fark it...we can change our minds"
 
2021-01-26 9:28:58 PM  
3 votes:

madgonad: I watched the series in the 90s.
I bought the DVDs.
I bought the improved 4:3 version on Vudu.
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And now I'm going to spring another $150 to buy the remastered versions.

/JMS went to the George Lucas school of milking your nerds


JMS hasn't owned the rights to the show since it ended.  He doesn't even get residuals for it.  He's pointed this out many times, and it's yet another reason why he has told people he's not interested in rebooting or updating the show.

He legally can't, or Warner will sue him into the next millennium.
 
2021-01-26 5:32:06 PM  
3 votes:

Bslim: GardenWeasel: bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.

Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.

Crusade got dome dirty by TNT they really didn't get a real chance to succeed.


Crusade had its moment.

Babylon Crusade - Who's your little pak'ma'ra?
Youtube _EvVW1EPX24
 
2021-01-26 3:19:17 PM  
3 votes:
soporific:
I agree that B5 was unlike anything that came before, especially when it came to narrative arcs. It's the first show you really needed the to use internet in order to keep things straight. The Lurker's Guide became my favorite online haunt in the 90's. Reading JMS's comments on every episode was amazing.

I still have the Lurker's Guide bookmarked.  JMS actually responded to me once on Usenet back in the 2nd season.  It was really trippy having the creator of a show I loved talk to me in a public forum decades before twitter.
 
2021-01-26 2:02:28 PM  
3 votes:

FarkingChas: Like that hot Lyta/ivanova action when Lyta needed cheering up.


Sadly there was never any hot Lyta/Ivanova action. There was (off-camera) Talia/Ivanova action and hot on-camera Lyta/Byron action.

Little known fact - Claudia and Patricia made a film called Never Die Twice that never saw the light of day. It was made 20 years ago and was never published.
 
2021-01-26 1:06:10 PM  
3 votes:
I watched the series in the 90s.
I bought the DVDs.
I bought the improved 4:3 version on Vudu.
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And now I'm going to spring another $150 to buy the remastered versions.

/JMS went to the George Lucas school of milking your nerds
 
2021-01-26 12:51:56 PM  
3 votes:
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2021-01-26 12:41:50 PM  
3 votes:

netizencain: Couldnt someone take The Last Starfighter and redo all of the CGI.  Leave all the acting scenes untouched, just replace every single CGI shot?


Why? I mean where do you draw the line? It's one thing to go back and clean up a few effects such as doing wire removal or cleaning up matte lines, but to go back and replace effects is both a disservice to the original film and an insult to the people who originally created them with the technology and time that was available. And if the film is a good movie just sit back and enjoy it and don't try and judge its technical qualities to something that could be done today with vastly more resources.
 
2021-01-26 11:17:00 AM  
3 votes:
I still have the entire series on regular DVD.. and threw out the old VHS recording I'd made off the air.  I haven't had much desire to rewatch in a while, because I remember everything so well still.

When I can still rattle off early season episode names in order, yeah, I invested a lot of time and energy in the show back in the day.
 
2021-01-26 10:42:33 AM  
3 votes:

kbronsito: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I saw it for the first time a few years ago. The production is dated. Even by 90s standard it was low budget. But the story was decent and there are a few good acting performances that made it worthwhile.


I think that's probably what threw me off originally. I'm pretty sure I tried watching an episode or two, and it just never clicked despite the fact that I'm a huge scifi fan.

Oddly enough I'm much more forgiving now of bad fx, as long as the story's decent.
 
2021-01-26 10:22:46 AM  
3 votes:

Bslim: GardenWeasel: Bslim: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.

Because they were controlled, or not controlled enough?

Because I feel they never got closure. Also they treated Lyta like shiat and by "they" I mean the good guys.


It's a investment in time. The first season or two is character development and 'meh' stand alone story episodes. lines.....then it pulls it all together by season 3. And basically pulls out and goes limp at the last season.
 
2021-01-26 9:42:09 AM  
3 votes:
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2021-01-27 12:41:49 AM  
2 votes:

madgonad: FarkingChas: I do not remember if B5 was native 16x9. Is this just another worthless 4x3 blown up to 16x9 conversion? Where we lose the entire top and bottom of the original screen?

The acting was filmed (on film) at 16:9. The graphics were created on a Amiga 3000s at 4:3. That's why the DVDs look like crap. They are in 16:9 so the CGI scenes were distorted from converting from 4:3 to 16:9.


It was filmed on "Super 35" and framed so that it could be cropped to either 4:3 for the original broadcasts or 16:9 for future releases.
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2021-01-26 8:49:38 PM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: kbronsito: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I saw it for the first time a few years ago. The production is dated. Even by 90s standard it was low budget. But the story was decent and there are a few good acting performances that made it worthwhile.

I think that's probably what threw me off originally. I'm pretty sure I tried watching an episode or two, and it just never clicked despite the fact that I'm a huge scifi fan.

Oddly enough I'm much more forgiving now of bad fx, as long as the story's decent.



It's really a series that has to be watched from the start, and follow through in order. Star Trek you could drop in any episode, and they're all self-contained. While Babylon 5 has individual single episode stories, there's multiple story threads throughout the series. One can just drop in any episode of Trek and follow along, not so much with B5.

And season 5 does have some good episodes. Not all. But some. But despite what anyone says about season 5, the very last episode must not be skipped.
 
2021-01-26 7:24:10 PM  
2 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Season 1 is necessary, but I'd recommend a newbie watch select episodes that set up future plot lines instead of doing the whole 20-some episodes (Midnight on the Firing Line, Mind War, And the Sky Full of Stars, Signs and Portents, The Quality of Mercy, A Voice in The Wilderness, Babylon Squared, Chrysalis).


I don't know how much you can really skip.  Soul Hunter, for instance, isn't a great episode, but it has 2 big things in there.  1. Delenn isn't just some ambassador and 2. Souls are real, which is kind of a big deal.
 
2021-01-26 5:02:37 PM  
2 votes:

Birnone: In gaming, modders have made great strides using machine learning tools to create high resolution textures from the original low res textures. I bet they could use the same techniques to create high definition CGI special effects scenes just from the original fx with no need to do extra costly work making new models or textures. Just look at the improvement this 4.6gb high res texture pack for Dragon Age Origins makes:
Vanilla on the left, high res on the right
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The original data files were deleted. They will literally have to start from scratch.
 
2021-01-26 3:17:50 PM  
2 votes:

ZMugg: bostonguy: bostonguy: [Fark user image 750x1500]

^ Obligatory in a B5 thread.

Someone should correct the typo in Claire Danes name (Claire Dames).


...No, I think I like it better the first way.
 
2021-01-26 2:32:18 PM  
2 votes:

madgonad: Mad_Radhu: madgonad: Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
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I was prepared for it to be the same SD 16:9 version with badly cropped CGI that they did previously, so them rescanning the film footage to HD was a pressing surprise when I fired up HBO Max this morning to check it out.

As I mentioned upthread, the tools for creating CGI footage are a lot cheaper now, so if the money is there to remaster the live action footage I'm hoping that down the road HBO Max might be willing to do an inexpensive CGI remaster. With the Unreal Engine being used more and more for film and TV production (the Mandalorian uses it for the digital sets), it probably wouldn't nearly as expensive to redo the effects as it used to be since you can output a good enough quality HD space battle scene in real time instead of having to render it for hours. They could probably hand some interns or recent graduates some free 3D models available on the web, a few workstations with some RTX 3080s, and they could probably knock out most of the footage fairy cheaply. Even the compositing work would be pretty easy for an intern to do with Adobe Creative Cloud these days.

I would agree. The work is no longer very complex. Building the 4K quality models would take the most time. Building and rendering the scenes could be done by a handful of people in 4-5 months. I assume if they are going to do it they would choose 4K since they scanned the film at the full resolution. The only question is if there is any money in it.


I see to think there wasn't, but they just spent a lot of money rescanning the live action footage, so I'm thinking they are using this release to test the waters. If it does well enough on HBO Max, I'm thinking they'll reach into the same petty cash drawer they grabbed the Snyder Cut budget from and do a full 4K remaster. Building the subscriber base for HBO Max and keeping them is a priority for AT&T right now, so a few million here and there to quickly build out their content library is a lot more doable than if they had to fund it all purely by Blu-Ray sales.
 
2021-01-26 2:31:15 PM  
2 votes:

madgonad: There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO


But Zima! And because I'm Jewish, I like the bit with the rabbi and sitting shiva. (Even if, like in most shows, the rabbi is overly stereotypical.)
 
2021-01-26 2:26:59 PM  
2 votes:

sjmcc13: Also which battlestar? I started a rewatch of the 2000's version a few years ago and did not get past season 3.


That is a great stopping point for the recent Battlestar.
 
2021-01-26 2:13:05 PM  
2 votes:

bostonguy: If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?


Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.
 
2021-01-26 2:09:31 PM  
2 votes:

bostonguy: madgonad: JMS went to the George Lucas school of milking your nerds

Merchandising!

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It doesn't even have any...appendages!
 
2021-01-26 1:41:59 PM  
2 votes:

FarkingChas: I do not remember if B5 was native 16x9. Is this just another worthless 4x3 blown up to 16x9 conversion? Where we lose the entire top and bottom of the original screen?


The acting was filmed (on film) at 16:9. The graphics were created on a Amiga 3000s at 4:3. That's why the DVDs look like crap. They are in 16:9 so the CGI scenes were distorted from converting from 4:3 to 16:9.
 
2021-01-26 12:10:37 PM  
2 votes:
"Classic" and "90s" don't even belong in the same sentence

/Trust me, I was there
 
2021-01-26 11:14:29 AM  
2 votes:

t3knomanser: Mad_Radhu: although we did get a Neil Gaiman episode as part of the filler

An episode which might be the worst of the series, which isn't precisely Gaiman's fault- it's just a complete tonal shift from the rest of the show, but not in an interesting way, and plus it's saddled with celebrity guest stars doing a weird riff on their real-world personas. It's a weird historical curiosity.



Zooty zoot zoot!
 
2021-01-26 10:40:34 AM  
2 votes:

bostonguy: GardenWeasel: Season 5 is proof that there is nothing that studio execs can't f*ck up

Once you get past the Byron arc, it's actually not that bad. It's not as good as seasons two through four, but it's not bad.


My complaints were more to do with the cast changes and dumping Claudia.
 
2021-01-26 10:28:43 AM  
2 votes:

Bslim: GardenWeasel: bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.

Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.

Crusade got dome dirty by TNT they really didn't get a real chance to succeed.


TNT: "Hey, you should scrap those uniforms, and use these choice $5 adult full-body onesies."
 
2021-01-26 10:21:59 AM  
2 votes:

bostonguy: If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?


Looks like it's on HBO Max, not Amazon.
 
2021-01-26 10:19:21 AM  
2 votes:
I guess I'll finally watch this series.  Heard good thing.
 
2021-01-26 10:12:26 AM  
2 votes:

Bslim: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.


Because they were controlled, or not controlled enough?
 
2021-01-26 10:11:07 AM  
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


I would say it does. If I were to.make one complaint it would be regarding the treatment of the telepaths. That aspect of the story never felt right to me.
 
2021-01-27 9:01:29 PM  
1 vote:

Charles52: Ellison was a 'conceptual consultant' as well.


He was a pretty litigious guy. Best get him on the (tiny) payroll.
 
2021-01-27 8:23:19 PM  
1 vote:

optikeye: JMS said from the get go on the usenet groups that he had a vision of ending at season 4 (or  3?)


Where did you drag up that? It has always been said and repeated to death that it was a 5 year story arc.
 
2021-01-27 10:19:51 AM  
1 vote:

Smoking GNU: GardenWeasel: bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.

Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.

We don't talk about that.


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2021-01-27 8:31:41 AM  
1 vote:

gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?


It holds up waaayy to much with, say, US politics of thepast 4 years than anyone should be comfortale with. Hell there's even an episode of a Religious species being wiped out completely by a plague because they believed having the disease was a sign of being impure, so everyone hid it and the gov all info about it not to be released whatsoever.
 
2021-01-27 12:42:58 AM  
1 vote:

ParadoxDice: The makeup for the pilot, though.... Yikes!

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There were early plans for Delenn to be a MALE Minbari who became female when she became partly human.. but they were dropped.  Unlikely they could have kept the secret up, and Mira wasn't a fan of the idea.
 
2021-01-26 9:55:37 PM  
1 vote:

GardenWeasel: Bslim: I thought the version I watched on Prime back in 2019 was a remaster.

I think that was just modified for widescreen


Correct. The Prime version was terrible. I tried to watch it and went straight back to 4:3 dvd rips it was so badly done.

I'm excited about a proper remaster. Don't care if it's not 16:9
 
2021-01-26 8:14:25 PM  
1 vote:

kkinnison: Now if only warner pros can give rights back to JMS so he can play in that playground again


I watched Lost Tales and Legend of the Rangers, not to mention all the B5 movies. It might be a good thing to just let that lie.
 
2021-01-26 7:38:08 PM  
1 vote:
Now if only warner pros can give rights back to JMS so he can play in that playground again
 
2021-01-26 2:39:51 PM  
1 vote:

bostonguy: Mad_Radhu: No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.

Thanks! And that makes me skeptical whether I should shell out $150 for all five seasons in the event that I'll lose viewing access one day.

(I miss the days when we just bought and owned stuff outright.)


If it ever becomes available in your region, just getting an HBO Max subscription is a far better deal. It has a pretty deep bench of genre programming: HBO sci-fi and fantasy shows (Watchmen, Westworld, Game of Thrones, His Dark Materials), post-2005 Doctor Who, Batman TAS in HD, the Harley Quinn series, most of the DCAU movies, Doom Patrol, Studio Ghibli, Adult Swim (including Rick and Marty). Hell they even have all of South Park.

I have it through my cell plan, but even if I didn't it is shaping up to be a solid streaming service because they have a lot of my favorite geeky stuff all in one place.
 
2021-01-26 2:29:33 PM  
1 vote:

bostonguy: madgonad: Little known fact - Claudia and Patricia made a film called Never Die Twice that never saw the light of day. It was made 20 years ago and was never published.

I'll be right back.

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Yeah, my internal fiction tells me that there was a hot scene in the film and the producer kept the whole movie for his personal spank bank.
 
2021-01-26 2:25:50 PM  
1 vote:

bostonguy: PerpetualPeristalsis: Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.

Right. I can't buy the new B5 on Amazon right now (because only US credit cards with US addresses seem to work because of the distribution rights).

But when I can buy it, I wonder if I'll merely be allowed to stream it on Amazon -- or if I will be able to download MP4 or other file types that I can have forever. Has anyone purchased it or knows which option it will be?


No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.
 
2021-01-26 2:22:32 PM  
1 vote:

PerpetualPeristalsis: bostonguy: If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?

Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.


It's pretty rare to completely lose access to something you've purchased digitally, and typically when that happens you get a full refund from Amazon/iTunes.

What happens more often is that the version you purchased digitally gets upgraded for free to a better format. For example, a lot of the movies I purchased in HD format on iTunes have been upgraded to 4K. Hell, I have iTunes digital copies of the Back to the Future movies that have steadily been upgraded from SD to HD to 4K over the years.
 
2021-01-26 2:19:32 PM  
1 vote:

PerpetualPeristalsis: Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.


Right. I can't buy the new B5 on Amazon right now (because only US credit cards with US addresses seem to work because of the distribution rights).

But when I can buy it, I wonder if I'll merely be allowed to stream it on Amazon -- or if I will be able to download MP4 or other file types that I can have forever. Has anyone purchased it or knows which option it will be?
 
2021-01-26 2:10:44 PM  
1 vote:

Xythero: I've tried getting into this show and haven't really made it past season 1.  Some of the acting is terrible, especially from the guest stars.  There was an episode about a teen telepath or something and the actress was amazingly awful.


The first season was really rough. Seasons 2-4 are very very good. You can't really skip the first season because it sets up so much that happens later  - especially with Londo and G'Kar.

There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO, Grail, Eyes, and Legacies.
 
2021-01-26 1:37:30 PM  
1 vote:

FarkingChas: I do not remember if B5 was native 16x9. Is this just another worthless 4x3 blown up to 16x9 conversion? Where we lose the entire top and bottom of the original screen?


This is discussed in detail in the article, but this is HD scans of the film negatives, but it retains the 4:3 crop (because the CGI sequences were never on film, and thus have to be upscaled).
 
2021-01-26 1:24:46 PM  
1 vote:

bostonguy: bostonguy: [Fark user image 750x1500]

^ Obligatory in a B5 thread.


Someone should correct the typo in Claire Danes name (Claire Dames).
 
2021-01-26 12:09:52 PM  
1 vote:
Let me know when Quark is redone.  Not that little freak from DS9, I want to see someone hold up to Richard Benjamin.
 
2021-01-26 11:43:25 AM  
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bostonguy: Mad_Radhu: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/OKL_I4pJ​s84]

Still my favorite line in the series:

"Captain, i think you're about to go where every man has gone before."


Everyone, not every man.
 
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