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2021-01-26 1:37:30 PM  

FarkingChas: I do not remember if B5 was native 16x9. Is this just another worthless 4x3 blown up to 16x9 conversion? Where we lose the entire top and bottom of the original screen?


This is discussed in detail in the article, but this is HD scans of the film negatives, but it retains the 4:3 crop (because the CGI sequences were never on film, and thus have to be upscaled).
 
2021-01-26 1:41:59 PM  

FarkingChas: I do not remember if B5 was native 16x9. Is this just another worthless 4x3 blown up to 16x9 conversion? Where we lose the entire top and bottom of the original screen?


The acting was filmed (on film) at 16:9. The graphics were created on a Amiga 3000s at 4:3. That's why the DVDs look like crap. They are in 16:9 so the CGI scenes were distorted from converting from 4:3 to 16:9.
 
2021-01-26 1:43:14 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Babylon 5 was a Warner Brothers production, so the rights were always retained by Warnermedia, just sold off to Netflix, Go90, and then Amazon for streaming before Warnermedia had a proper streaming service to offer. Now that HBO Max is a thing, I'm expecting it to be Babylon 5'a forever home.


Thank you, that makes a TON of sense, I appreciate it. :)
 
2021-01-26 1:48:35 PM  
Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
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2021-01-26 1:52:46 PM  

t3knomanser: FarkingChas: I do not remember if B5 was native 16x9. Is this just another worthless 4x3 blown up to 16x9 conversion? Where we lose the entire top and bottom of the original screen?

This is discussed in detail in the article, but this is HD scans of the film negatives, but it retains the 4:3 crop (because the CGI sequences were never on film, and thus have to be upscaled).


madgonad:
The acting was filmed (on film) at 16:9. The graphics were created on a Amiga 3000s at 4:3. That's why the DVDs look like crap. They are in 16:9 so the CGI scenes were distorted from converting from 4:3 to 16:9.

Thanks. I am not interested enough to read the article. I do not want to rewatch the series again. Too many "good" scenes will be ruined by seeing them as they really were. Not the new version that I have created in my imagination that made them better.
Like that hot Lyta/ivanova action when Lyta needed cheering up.
 
2021-01-26 1:56:16 PM  

Relatively Obscure: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I've watched it more than a few times :\

That said, Season 1 is not the same as Seasons 2-4, and Season 5 is not the same as either of those.

I'd guess that season 1 could be a bit of a slog for a newcomer.


I've tried getting into this show and haven't really made it past season 1.  Some of the acting is terrible, especially from the guest stars.  There was an episode about a teen telepath or something and the actress was amazingly awful.
 
2021-01-26 2:02:28 PM  

FarkingChas: Like that hot Lyta/ivanova action when Lyta needed cheering up.


Sadly there was never any hot Lyta/Ivanova action. There was (off-camera) Talia/Ivanova action and hot on-camera Lyta/Byron action.

Little known fact - Claudia and Patricia made a film called Never Die Twice that never saw the light of day. It was made 20 years ago and was never published.
 
2021-01-26 2:09:31 PM  

bostonguy: madgonad: JMS went to the George Lucas school of milking your nerds

Merchandising!

[Fark user image image 340x226]


It doesn't even have any...appendages!
 
2021-01-26 2:10:44 PM  

Xythero: I've tried getting into this show and haven't really made it past season 1.  Some of the acting is terrible, especially from the guest stars.  There was an episode about a teen telepath or something and the actress was amazingly awful.


The first season was really rough. Seasons 2-4 are very very good. You can't really skip the first season because it sets up so much that happens later  - especially with Londo and G'Kar.

There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO, Grail, Eyes, and Legacies.
 
2021-01-26 2:13:05 PM  

bostonguy: If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?


Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.
 
2021-01-26 2:14:31 PM  

madgonad: There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO, Grail, Eyes, and Legacies.


Hard to argue with those choices.. though Grail does feature David Warner in a rare appearance as a good guy.
 
2021-01-26 2:15:35 PM  

madgonad: Little known fact - Claudia and Patricia made a film called Never Die Twice that never saw the light of day. It was made 20 years ago and was never published.


I'll be right back.

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2021-01-26 2:16:43 PM  

madgonad: Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
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I was prepared for it to be the same SD 16:9 version with badly cropped CGI that they did previously, so them rescanning the film footage to HD was a pressing surprise when I fired up HBO Max this morning to check it out.

As I mentioned upthread, the tools for creating CGI footage are a lot cheaper now, so if the money is there to remaster the live action footage I'm hoping that down the road HBO Max might be willing to do an inexpensive CGI remaster. With the Unreal Engine being used more and more for film and TV production (the Mandalorian uses it for the digital sets), it probably wouldn't nearly as expensive to redo the effects as it used to be since you can output a good enough quality HD space battle scene in real time instead of having to render it for hours. They could probably hand some interns or recent graduates some free 3D models available on the web, a few workstations with some RTX 3080s, and they could probably knock out most of the footage fairy cheaply. Even the compositing work would be pretty easy for an intern to do with Adobe Creative Cloud these days.
 
2021-01-26 2:19:32 PM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.


Right. I can't buy the new B5 on Amazon right now (because only US credit cards with US addresses seem to work because of the distribution rights).

But when I can buy it, I wonder if I'll merely be allowed to stream it on Amazon -- or if I will be able to download MP4 or other file types that I can have forever. Has anyone purchased it or knows which option it will be?
 
2021-01-26 2:21:50 PM  

Kat09tails: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

Like DS9 it does rewatch well, I would actually say it's more rewatchable than battlestar.


Blasphemy, suggesting something could be more re-watchable then B5...
You should feel ashamed.

Also which battlestar? I started a rewatch of the 2000's version a few years ago and did not get past season 3.
 
2021-01-26 2:22:32 PM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: bostonguy: If we buy it from Amazon, does anyone know if we'll actually own it forever, or are we just buying access rights that Amazon could shut off sometime?

Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.


It's pretty rare to completely lose access to something you've purchased digitally, and typically when that happens you get a full refund from Amazon/iTunes.

What happens more often is that the version you purchased digitally gets upgraded for free to a better format. For example, a lot of the movies I purchased in HD format on iTunes have been upgraded to 4K. Hell, I have iTunes digital copies of the Back to the Future movies that have steadily been upgraded from SD to HD to 4K over the years.
 
2021-01-26 2:24:59 PM  

Mad_Radhu: madgonad: Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
[Fark user image image 340x195]

I was prepared for it to be the same SD 16:9 version with badly cropped CGI that they did previously, so them rescanning the film footage to HD was a pressing surprise when I fired up HBO Max this morning to check it out.

As I mentioned upthread, the tools for creating CGI footage are a lot cheaper now, so if the money is there to remaster the live action footage I'm hoping that down the road HBO Max might be willing to do an inexpensive CGI remaster. With the Unreal Engine being used more and more for film and TV production (the Mandalorian uses it for the digital sets), it probably wouldn't nearly as expensive to redo the effects as it used to be since you can output a good enough quality HD space battle scene in real time instead of having to render it for hours. They could probably hand some interns or recent graduates some free 3D models available on the web, a few workstations with some RTX 3080s, and they could probably knock out most of the footage fairy cheaply. Even the compositing work would be pretty easy for an intern to do with Adobe Creative Cloud these days.


I would agree. The work is no longer very complex. Building the 4K quality models would take the most time. Building and rendering the scenes could be done by a handful of people in 4-5 months. I assume if they are going to do it they would choose 4K since they scanned the film at the full resolution. The only question is if there is any money in it.
 
2021-01-26 2:25:50 PM  

bostonguy: PerpetualPeristalsis: Unless you have physical media in your possession, it's always the latter, as a practical matter.

Right. I can't buy the new B5 on Amazon right now (because only US credit cards with US addresses seem to work because of the distribution rights).

But when I can buy it, I wonder if I'll merely be allowed to stream it on Amazon -- or if I will be able to download MP4 or other file types that I can have forever. Has anyone purchased it or knows which option it will be?


No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.
 
2021-01-26 2:26:59 PM  

sjmcc13: Also which battlestar? I started a rewatch of the 2000's version a few years ago and did not get past season 3.


That is a great stopping point for the recent Battlestar.
 
2021-01-26 2:28:21 PM  

Mad_Radhu: No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.


Thanks! And that makes me skeptical whether I should shell out $150 for all five seasons in the event that I'll lose viewing access one day.

(I miss the days when we just bought and owned stuff outright.)
 
2021-01-26 2:29:33 PM  

bostonguy: madgonad: Little known fact - Claudia and Patricia made a film called Never Die Twice that never saw the light of day. It was made 20 years ago and was never published.

I'll be right back.

[Fark user image 850x637]


Yeah, my internal fiction tells me that there was a hot scene in the film and the producer kept the whole movie for his personal spank bank.
 
2021-01-26 2:31:15 PM  

madgonad: There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO


But Zima! And because I'm Jewish, I like the bit with the rabbi and sitting shiva. (Even if, like in most shows, the rabbi is overly stereotypical.)
 
2021-01-26 2:32:18 PM  

madgonad: Mad_Radhu: madgonad: Also, they can't just do what TNG did for their BluRay release. There is a lot of CGI inserted into live action in B5. So not only would new graphics be needed, but a lot of it would have to be inserted into the original film - essentially re-doing the post production. There are a handful of aliens that were CGI and some were in important scenes.
[Fark user image image 340x195]

I was prepared for it to be the same SD 16:9 version with badly cropped CGI that they did previously, so them rescanning the film footage to HD was a pressing surprise when I fired up HBO Max this morning to check it out.

As I mentioned upthread, the tools for creating CGI footage are a lot cheaper now, so if the money is there to remaster the live action footage I'm hoping that down the road HBO Max might be willing to do an inexpensive CGI remaster. With the Unreal Engine being used more and more for film and TV production (the Mandalorian uses it for the digital sets), it probably wouldn't nearly as expensive to redo the effects as it used to be since you can output a good enough quality HD space battle scene in real time instead of having to render it for hours. They could probably hand some interns or recent graduates some free 3D models available on the web, a few workstations with some RTX 3080s, and they could probably knock out most of the footage fairy cheaply. Even the compositing work would be pretty easy for an intern to do with Adobe Creative Cloud these days.

I would agree. The work is no longer very complex. Building the 4K quality models would take the most time. Building and rendering the scenes could be done by a handful of people in 4-5 months. I assume if they are going to do it they would choose 4K since they scanned the film at the full resolution. The only question is if there is any money in it.


I see to think there wasn't, but they just spent a lot of money rescanning the live action footage, so I'm thinking they are using this release to test the waters. If it does well enough on HBO Max, I'm thinking they'll reach into the same petty cash drawer they grabbed the Snyder Cut budget from and do a full 4K remaster. Building the subscriber base for HBO Max and keeping them is a priority for AT&T right now, so a few million here and there to quickly build out their content library is a lot more doable than if they had to fund it all purely by Blu-Ray sales.
 
2021-01-26 2:39:51 PM  

bostonguy: Mad_Radhu: No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.

Thanks! And that makes me skeptical whether I should shell out $150 for all five seasons in the event that I'll lose viewing access one day.

(I miss the days when we just bought and owned stuff outright.)


If it ever becomes available in your region, just getting an HBO Max subscription is a far better deal. It has a pretty deep bench of genre programming: HBO sci-fi and fantasy shows (Watchmen, Westworld, Game of Thrones, His Dark Materials), post-2005 Doctor Who, Batman TAS in HD, the Harley Quinn series, most of the DCAU movies, Doom Patrol, Studio Ghibli, Adult Swim (including Rick and Marty). Hell they even have all of South Park.

I have it through my cell plan, but even if I didn't it is shaping up to be a solid streaming service because they have a lot of my favorite geeky stuff all in one place.
 
2021-01-26 2:43:15 PM  

madgonad: There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO, Grail, Eyes, and Legacies.


While they do not contribute as much to the plot, each features a important piece of world building.

TKO shows how humans are not as universally accepted as they are in most Sci-fi shows, and are the new kids still earnign their way in.

Grail shows a lot about he mysterious nature of the Vorlons, and how little is known about hem plus the lives of the lower decks of the station. The biggest thing about hat episode is Kosh's reaction at them end.

Eyes shows the start of the stuff Clark gets up to later with things like nightwatch, plus the dissatisfaction with sinclair

Legacies introduces Neroon, that alone is important, and is a starting point for some of the later Grey Council and Mimbari cast plot threads that come later. It also introduces how al the different racers treat telepaths.
 
2021-01-26 2:49:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: bostonguy: Mad_Radhu: No one offer non-DRM downloads of big studio movies and TV shows. If you purchase them from Amazon, they will be downloadable to the local storage of the Amazon Prime Video app for iOS and Android, but you won't be able to just download a DRM-free MP4 the way you can download DRM-free music tracks after you purchase them.

Thanks! And that makes me skeptical whether I should shell out $150 for all five seasons in the event that I'll lose viewing access one day.

(I miss the days when we just bought and owned stuff outright.)

If it ever becomes available in your region, just getting an HBO Max subscription is a far better deal. It has a pretty deep bench of genre programming: HBO sci-fi and fantasy shows (Watchmen, Westworld, Game of Thrones, His Dark Materials), post-2005 Doctor Who, Batman TAS in HD, the Harley Quinn series, most of the DCAU movies, Doom Patrol, Studio Ghibli, Adult Swim (including Rick and Marty). Hell they even have all of South Park.

I have it through my cell plan, but even if I didn't it is shaping up to be a solid streaming service because they have a lot of my favorite geeky stuff all in one place.


Thanks!
 
2021-01-26 2:50:50 PM  
Okay, I'm confused... the Amazon listing is $30 per season, but the iTunes listing is $70 for the whole *series*. I can't imagine that Amazon would legitimately be more than twice the amount for the same thing, so I'm wondering if the Amazon listing is for the older "DVD Remaster", and not the new version. The reviews and comments for the Amazon listing are all for the older one, so I wondering if a) Amazon has a different listing for the new one, or b) the article writer linked to the Amazon version without realizing that only iTunes and HBO Max are getting the update.
 
2021-01-26 2:54:47 PM  

Lord Bear: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

Yes.  You need to go in realizing that it is a low budget, syndicated, 90s sci-fi show.  This means that the effects and some of the acting (mostly by guest stars) is below modern standards.  There are some cheesy subplots and a few bum episodes.  Season 1 is slow, and is mostly concerned with setting up the setting and characters.  Season 2 is the rising action.  Season 3 and 4 are some of the best things ever put on TV.  Season 5 has its issues, but the last 5 episodes and the Neil Gaiman episode are pretty good, and the last episode is probably the best series finale ever.

It is worth watching as a history lesson if nothing else.  B5 was one of the first modern shows to serialize a coherent story.  Before that, you could miss an episode or even a season of a show and pretty much pick up where you left off.  Without B5, I don't think modern TV would exist in its current state.  B5 also did it better than most modern shows, with arcs for the show and characters set up before anything was even filmed.

Things to watch: Take note of where characters start and end in the show.  Character development like that is pretty rare even today.  Pay attention to small lines of dialogue. They can sometimes pay off 50 episodes later.

/Disclaimer: B5 is my favorite show of all time.


I agree with everything you said. I still have yet to find a series finale as satisfying as Sleeping in Light. However, I do believe The Good Place came close. If you've never watched The Good Place I recommend it.

I agree that B5 was unlike anything that came before, especially when it came to narrative arcs. It's the first show you really needed the to use internet in order to keep things straight. The Lurker's Guide became my favorite online haunt in the 90's. Reading JMS's comments on every episode was amazing.

B5 really set the standard for television storytelling, and a lot of it holds up very well today.
 
2021-01-26 2:55:06 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Okay, I'm confused... the Amazon listing is $30 per season, but the iTunes listing is $70 for the whole *series*. I can't imagine that Amazon would legitimately be more than twice the amount for the same thing, so I'm wondering if the Amazon listing is for the older "DVD Remaster", and not the new version. The reviews and comments for the Amazon listing are all for the older one, so I wondering if a) Amazon has a different listing for the new one, or b) the article writer linked to the Amazon version without realizing that only iTunes and HBO Max are getting the update.


Seems like it's the new remaster. Perhaps there are no reviews or comments because it was just released. (Of course, I don't know anything for sure.)

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2021-01-26 2:58:35 PM  

Xythero: Relatively Obscure: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I've watched it more than a few times :\

That said, Season 1 is not the same as Seasons 2-4, and Season 5 is not the same as either of those.

I'd guess that season 1 could be a bit of a slog for a newcomer.

I've tried getting into this show and haven't really made it past season 1.  Some of the acting is terrible, especially from the guest stars.  There was an episode about a teen telepath or something and the actress was amazingly awful.


Yeah, that episode is terrible. However, there are really only a handful of must watch episodes of season 1. Season 2 is when the show starts going places and season 3 is when you get to some really jaw dropping moments.
 
2021-01-26 3:08:24 PM  

bostonguy: Seems like it's the new remaster. Perhaps there are no reviews or comments because it was just released. (Of course, I don't know anything for sure.)


Part of my confusion comes from Amazon combining reviews (see "Details" tab) from all versions of streaming and physical media sales. At least if there were *NO* reviews whatsoever, that would be a big clue. And it says "Fully Remastered", but does that mean the new remaster, or the DVD remaster? (ie. I don't remember if the original streaming listing had the word "remaster" on it or not.) Amazon could clear this up simply by putting a "Added to Streaming Date" or something on it.

Of course, the fact remains that $150 vs $70 is ridiculous, but the alternative means jumping through tons of hoops to buy on Apple then trying to get it streaming on something non-Apple. (As opposed to instantly having it available on any web browser or my FireTV devices.)

(HBO Max has little else that would convince me to pay for it, and I don't have the time available to binge all of Babylon 5 in the space of a single month's subscription.)
 
2021-01-26 3:17:50 PM  

ZMugg: bostonguy: bostonguy: [Fark user image 750x1500]

^ Obligatory in a B5 thread.

Someone should correct the typo in Claire Danes name (Claire Dames).


...No, I think I like it better the first way.
 
2021-01-26 3:19:17 PM  
soporific:
I agree that B5 was unlike anything that came before, especially when it came to narrative arcs. It's the first show you really needed the to use internet in order to keep things straight. The Lurker's Guide became my favorite online haunt in the 90's. Reading JMS's comments on every episode was amazing.

I still have the Lurker's Guide bookmarked.  JMS actually responded to me once on Usenet back in the 2nd season.  It was really trippy having the creator of a show I loved talk to me in a public forum decades before twitter.
 
2021-01-26 3:23:11 PM  

Lord Bear: I still have the Lurker's Guide bookmarked


For everyone's reading pleasure:

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countri​e​s/us/eplist.html
 
2021-01-26 3:23:24 PM  

UNC_Samurai: bostonguy: madgonad: JMS went to the George Lucas school of milking your nerds

Merchandising!

[Fark user image image 340x226]

It doesn't even have any...appendages!


So you feel you've been symbolically cast... in a bad light...
 
2021-01-26 3:28:22 PM  

sjmcc13: madgonad: There are 4 episodes in the first season that are meaningless - TKO, Grail, Eyes, and Legacies.

While they do not contribute as much to the plot, each features a important piece of world building.

TKO shows how humans are not as universally accepted as they are in most Sci-fi shows, and are the new kids still earnign their way in.

Grail shows a lot about he mysterious nature of the Vorlons, and how little is known about hem plus the lives of the lower decks of the station. The biggest thing about hat episode is Kosh's reaction at them end.

Eyes shows the start of the stuff Clark gets up to later with things like nightwatch, plus the dissatisfaction with sinclair

Legacies introduces Neroon, that alone is important, and is a starting point for some of the later Grey Council and Mimbari cast plot threads that come later. It also introduces how al the different racers treat telepaths.


Almost nothing of importance happened in TKO. You get fully caught up on Ivanova later. Grail doesn't add anything important. I liked Londo's reactions in his scenes, but the plotline itself added nothing. There is plenty of Down Below content in the series. In fact, I think the faux Kosh confuses things - especially when considering what you know about Vorlons by the end of the series. Eyes is part of the dead-end Control arc and feels very very sloppy. Legacies feels very very very sloppy. I agree about Neroon though. The Minbari internal conflict was poorly executed throughout the series and losing bits of the story hurts the subplot.
 
2021-01-26 3:38:54 PM  

browneye: I thought this was about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine


A space station in neutral territory?

A male captain, female xo, minority doctor?

An alien leader named Dukat (killed before present in B5)?

Powerful ancient races pulling the strings?

I don't know what you're talking about.
 
2021-01-26 3:53:07 PM  

GardenWeasel: Tr0mBoNe: I can't wait to see that fighter drop sequence 100 times but in glorious HD.

I loved that B5 at least attempted to show space physics with the Starfury compared to all the other Sci-Fi on at the time.


Yeah, and no 'shield' tech. You get hit, you blow the fark up.
 
2021-01-26 4:56:27 PM  
In gaming, modders have made great strides using machine learning tools to create high resolution textures from the original low res textures. I bet they could use the same techniques to create high definition CGI special effects scenes just from the original fx with no need to do extra costly work making new models or textures. Just look at the improvement this 4.6gb high res texture pack for Dragon Age Origins makes:
Vanilla on the left, high res on the right
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2021-01-26 5:02:37 PM  

Birnone: In gaming, modders have made great strides using machine learning tools to create high resolution textures from the original low res textures. I bet they could use the same techniques to create high definition CGI special effects scenes just from the original fx with no need to do extra costly work making new models or textures. Just look at the improvement this 4.6gb high res texture pack for Dragon Age Origins makes:
Vanilla on the left, high res on the right
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The original data files were deleted. They will literally have to start from scratch.
 
2021-01-26 5:05:32 PM  
BirnoneJust look at the improvement this 4.6gb high res texture pack for Dragon Age Origins makes:
Vanilla on the left, high res on the right
[Fark user image 800x537]


I can't see a pixel of difference.
 
2021-01-26 5:08:38 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: browneye: I thought this was about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

A space station in neutral territory?

A male captain, female xo, minority doctor?

An alien leader named Dukat (killed before present in B5)?

Powerful ancient races pulling the strings?

I don't know what you're talking about.


The history of DS9 copying B5.

/I really like both, but B5 was making a 22 hour season for the cost of two DS9 episodes. Imagine B5 with ST money?
 
2021-01-26 5:32:06 PM  

Bslim: GardenWeasel: bostonguy: UNC_Samurai: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

After the last 4 years IRL?  Way too much.

There's even a pandemic episode.

Episode? There is an entire series about searching for a cure.

Crusade got dome dirty by TNT they really didn't get a real chance to succeed.


Crusade had its moment.

Babylon Crusade - Who's your little pak'ma'ra?
Youtube _EvVW1EPX24
 
2021-01-26 7:16:10 PM  

ZMugg: bostonguy: bostonguy: [Fark user image 750x1500]

^ Obligatory in a B5 thread.

Someone should correct the typo in Claire Danes name (Claire Dames).


No, it should be preserved as a part of history.
 
2021-01-26 7:24:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Season 1 is necessary, but I'd recommend a newbie watch select episodes that set up future plot lines instead of doing the whole 20-some episodes (Midnight on the Firing Line, Mind War, And the Sky Full of Stars, Signs and Portents, The Quality of Mercy, A Voice in The Wilderness, Babylon Squared, Chrysalis).


I don't know how much you can really skip.  Soul Hunter, for instance, isn't a great episode, but it has 2 big things in there.  1. Delenn isn't just some ambassador and 2. Souls are real, which is kind of a big deal.
 
2021-01-26 7:38:08 PM  
Now if only warner pros can give rights back to JMS so he can play in that playground again
 
2021-01-26 8:10:55 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Okay, I'm confused... the Amazon listing is $30 per season, but the iTunes listing is $70 for the whole *series*. I can't imagine that Amazon would legitimately be more than twice the amount for the same thing, so I'm wondering if the Amazon listing is for the older "DVD Remaster", and not the new version. The reviews and comments for the Amazon listing are all for the older one, so I wondering if a) Amazon has a different listing for the new one, or b) the article writer linked to the Amazon version without realizing that only iTunes and HBO Max are getting the update.


iTunes has "box set" sales frequently.
I purchased the entire run of Magnum PI for $35, Strike Back for something like $50.
 
2021-01-26 8:14:25 PM  

kkinnison: Now if only warner pros can give rights back to JMS so he can play in that playground again


I watched Lost Tales and Legend of the Rangers, not to mention all the B5 movies. It might be a good thing to just let that lie.
 
2021-01-26 8:43:02 PM  
Oh thank God, I still have several mint condition Babylon 5 trading card starter packs to unload, and they're worth bupkis atm.
 
2021-01-26 8:49:38 PM  

gilgigamesh: kbronsito: gilgigamesh: I never watched this series. Maybe I will. Does it hold up after 20 years?

I saw it for the first time a few years ago. The production is dated. Even by 90s standard it was low budget. But the story was decent and there are a few good acting performances that made it worthwhile.

I think that's probably what threw me off originally. I'm pretty sure I tried watching an episode or two, and it just never clicked despite the fact that I'm a huge scifi fan.

Oddly enough I'm much more forgiving now of bad fx, as long as the story's decent.



It's really a series that has to be watched from the start, and follow through in order. Star Trek you could drop in any episode, and they're all self-contained. While Babylon 5 has individual single episode stories, there's multiple story threads throughout the series. One can just drop in any episode of Trek and follow along, not so much with B5.

And season 5 does have some good episodes. Not all. But some. But despite what anyone says about season 5, the very last episode must not be skipped.
 
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