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2021-01-26 9:38:26 AM  
So the safety data is not there for Moderna. Not surprising. Of course Klaus isn't saying anything about the other vaccines, though the CDC says there isn't much data for anyone pregnant.

Univ of Chicago is saying its probably fine for the Pfizer/BioNTech, and other medical societies have advocated for it.
 
2021-01-26 9:49:14 AM  
Duh?
 
2021-01-26 9:50:13 AM  
Fear based articles are just that, fear. I am against this link because the WHO is just covering its basics- they're not going to recommend anything without evidence, and there isn't enough evidence right now.

However, it's easy to misinterpret that statement.

The CDC, American Academy of Obgyns, etc. all recommend the vaccine. in PA, they are prioritized 1A now.

We need to stop the fear based reactions and stop linking to clickbaity articles
 
2021-01-26 10:01:13 AM  

GardenWeasel: Duh?


This. There are countless vaccines & medications that warn shouldn't be taken while pregnant.
 
2021-01-26 10:03:12 AM  
I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.
 
2021-01-26 10:07:00 AM  
Wait. Aren't old people the only people getting vaccinated right now?
 
2021-01-26 10:07:16 AM  
It's the farking NY Post.

If you're using this shiatrag for medical advice you deserve to die.
 
2021-01-26 10:07:24 AM  

iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.


Pregnant women are advised to receive the flu vaccine yearly, so it's not.
 
2021-01-26 10:08:16 AM  
Fine...I won't get pregnant.

/X and Y chromosome here.
 
2021-01-26 10:08:32 AM  
Children of Thalidomide.
 
2021-01-26 10:08:32 AM  
Pregnant women who do what?

Finish your thought, Man!
 
2021-01-26 10:09:48 AM  
Why are we greening this absolute rag of a paper?
 
2021-01-26 10:09:51 AM  
Every time I see a greened link to the Post I start to question the wisdom of handing over the $120.
 
2021-01-26 10:09:53 AM  
Should not be used on pregnant women who what?
 
2021-01-26 10:11:51 AM  
huh. my friend is doing her residency, she's pregnant. She just got her second pfizer dose last week.
 
2021-01-26 10:12:56 AM  
Facts.

Very few pregnant women, and no children, were tested in the main trials. So, stating that the vaccine is safe for either is false. There's no evidence that it is safe.

Stating that the vaccine is dangerous for either is false. There's no evidence that it is dangerous.

The problem is there's been no real testing at all, which means there's an unknown risk. That risk may be as low as in regular health adults. That risk may be higher. We don't know.

Since the question of safety is undetermined, which is why WHO's recommendation is not "don't get it if you're pregnant" but "don't get it if you're pregnant UNLESS you are in a high risk environment, where the much higher chance of getting COVID-19 comes into play."
 
2021-01-26 10:13:06 AM  

SVC_conservative: iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.

Pregnant women are advised to receive the flu vaccine yearly, so it's not.


That is because we have enough data on it because so many people get the flu vaccine, there aren't any controls around getting it, and people will not realize they are pregnant and get it.

So that makes it fairly easy to determine the risks, without having to figure out how you ethically do trials on pregnant women.

While this vaccine is most likey safe for the fetus, we simply don't know for sure yet. Since covid is not even close to being a death sentence for younger women, it makes sense to play it safe for the moment.

As always, listen to your actual doctors, and not some dude ranting on the internet, or for gods sake, the NY Post.
 
2021-01-26 10:13:22 AM  
Wife and I are trying and we have to take a 60-day break because of the unknowns. She had to sign a legal waiver to get the vaccine making her aware of the unknowns if she got pregnant in the vaccine window. OB/GYN basically told us to take a break until summer. Guess the wrapper is going back on ...

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2021-01-26 10:15:50 AM  
And actually if you read the article, it says, "If you are high risk because of a different condition, or you are front line in a healthcare facility, we still think you should get it"

So basically, if you are low risk if you do get covid, its better to not take an unknown risk, albeit a small one, with the vaccine until we have the data. If you are at high risk, we consider the risk of the vaccine to be lower than the risk of covid. As enough of the high risk people get the vaccine, we will start to have data that will let us say for sure for the low risk people.
 
2021-01-26 10:16:27 AM  

Gubbo: Why are we greening this absolute rag of a paper?


You're just now noticing we green shiatty tabloids?
 
2021-01-26 10:17:11 AM  

SVC_conservative: We need to stop the fear based reactions and stop linking to clickbaity articles


You know which website you're on, right?
 
2021-01-26 10:18:22 AM  

SVC_conservative: iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.

Pregnant women are advised to receive the flu vaccine yearly, so it's not.


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2021-01-26 10:18:56 AM  
This is why everyone else gets vaccinated.  Then, the preggos don't have to worry.
 
2021-01-26 10:19:12 AM  
Dammit, subby. I know I've gained weight this year but I AM NOT PREGNANT.

/cries
 
2021-01-26 10:19:29 AM  

Somacandra: So the safety data is not there for Moderna. Not surprising. Of course Klaus isn't saying anything about the other vaccines, though the CDC says there isn't much data for anyone pregnant.

Univ of Chicago is saying its probably fine for the Pfizer/BioNTech, and other medical societies have advocated for it.


Yes. I have heard of one of the vaccines being administered to pregnant/nursing women. Probably it is the Pfizer one, since that one has more data.
 
2021-01-26 10:20:08 AM  

Fireproof: Gubbo: Why are we greening this absolute rag of a paper?

You're just now noticing we green shiatty tabloids?


It's Not News, it's Tabloids and Twitter™.
 
2021-01-26 10:20:57 AM  

Fireproof: Gubbo: Why are we greening this absolute rag of a paper?

You're just now noticing we green shiatty tabloids?


I'm noticing quite the uptick in NY Post.
 
2021-01-26 10:21:30 AM  
If you're young and healthy enough to get pregnant, you have an extremely high chance of surviving COVID anyway.  If a vaccine is rushed to pregnant women and there are birth defects, it's going to give the anti-vaxxers decades of "proof".  Let's study this out a bit more, there's no rush.
 
2021-01-26 10:21:43 AM  

ChrisDe: Children of Thalidomide.


Not a vaccine.
 
2021-01-26 10:24:12 AM  
Go ahead and take it.  What's the worst that could happen?
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2021-01-26 10:24:52 AM  

browneye: GardenWeasel: Duh?

This. There are countless vaccines & medications that warn shouldn't be taken while pregnant.


Yeah... they, for good reason, were not tested on pregnant women.  Almost nothing is tested on pregnant women.  Unless there's a REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY good reason, very few things like this are tested on pregnant women.

Fetuses are fragile and pregnancy, contrary to what most people think, is pretty risky (especially in the US, which has some of the highest maternal and infant death rates in the world).

/Unless it's something that you just can't stop during pregnancy (insulin, for example.  Diabetes doesn't stop!), it's going to be recommended to not test it on pregnant women and therefore not be recommended for pregnant women to take it.
//If a new pandemic happens that specifically targets or overly affects pregnant women, then sure.
 
2021-01-26 10:24:57 AM  

waxbeans: Wait. Aren't old people the only people getting vaccinated right now?


Are all the medical workers over the age of 65 where you live? You might want to leave for somewhere else if that's the case.
 
2021-01-26 10:25:56 AM  
You guys..... It's perfectly safe. Just don't even tell them you're pregnant.
 
2021-01-26 10:25:57 AM  
Just like anything else in the medical field, you have to weigh the risks vs. the benefits of any med or procedure. As has been stated, unless the woman is at a high risk of getting COVID or has other health issues, it's not worth the risk right now to give the vaccine until there is more information about potential issues to the fetus.  Anytime someone is pregnant, that risk/benefit equation changes because you have the new variable of a fetus.
 
2021-01-26 10:29:28 AM  

iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.


I think my wife got three each the she was pregnant.  One was the flu.  And she's been pregnant three times in the last four years.  They just give them to everyone.
 
2021-01-26 10:29:53 AM  

SVC_conservative: Fear based articles are just that, fear. I am against this link because the WHO is just covering its basics- they're not going to recommend anything without evidence, and there isn't enough evidence right now.

However, it's easy to misinterpret that statement.

The CDC, American Academy of Obgyns, etc. all recommend the vaccine. in PA, they are prioritized 1A now.

We need to stop the fear based reactions and stop linking to clickbaity articles


TFA is the NY Post. All they do is click bait.
 
2021-01-26 10:30:38 AM  

SVC_conservative: iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.

Pregnant women are advised to receive the flu vaccine yearly, so it's not.


I don't think there's any "standard" vaccine. This is a mRNA type and is pretty new to the club. Not sure how it dances with pregnant ladies quite yet.

If I was a pregnant nurse I'd get it. If I was a work from home pregnant lady I would NOT get it.
 
2021-01-26 10:34:11 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.

I think my wife got three each the she was pregnant.  One was the flu.  And she's been pregnant three times in the last four years.  They just give them to everyone.


Damn, sounds like an extra kid surplus if they're just handing them out to everyone.
 
2021-01-26 10:37:08 AM  
There are many pregnant frontline medical workers who are still taking the vaccine. I know several at one large Southern hospital. They are providing data to Pfizer (all received the Pfizer vaccine). So far, no one has had any adverse reactions and their pregnancies have remained healthy.
 
2021-01-26 10:37:25 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: I May Be Crazy But...: iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.

I think my wife got three each the she was pregnant.  One was the flu.  And she's been pregnant three times in the last four years.  They just give them to everyone.

Damn, sounds like an extra kid surplus if they're just handing them out to everyone.


Farking storks, man.  Leaving babies everywhere.
 
2021-01-26 10:49:15 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: ChrisDe: Children of Thalidomide.

Not a vaccine.


Correct. I actually looked it up before posting. Still posted. Some might say I dance to the beat of my own drum.
 
2021-01-26 10:57:19 AM  

ChrisDe: Children of Thalidomide.


Agrees:
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2021-01-26 11:01:09 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: ChrisDe: Children of Thalidomide.

Not a vaccine.


The point still stands, Mr Pedant.
 
2021-01-26 11:04:50 AM  
Like several others here, let's repeat the obvious.

It is immoral and unethical to experiment with pregnant women, or more specifically, the unborn.  Most of the Covid-19 vaccines are using relatively new technology (modified mouse virus with a Covid spike, MRA replication, etc) and we don't know how that he s going to play out with fetuses, especially given the EXTREMELY shortened stage 3 trials that these things recieved.

Our standard flu vaccines are what... 40 years old?  Using the old standard tech of dead/weakend flu virus, which we know does not effect the unborn in any significant way (there are always rare outliers).

Comparing the flu vaccine to the covid vaccine is comparing apples to automobiles... so the WHO is playing it safe.  In five or ten years, when they have a  sufficient data set, they will be able to make a declarative statement as to its safety... until then, "Don't fark around, and don't find out"...
 
2021-01-26 11:05:05 AM  
well really pregnant woman should avoid all experimental vaccines, no matter the brand.
 
2021-01-26 11:10:54 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: ChrisDe: Children of Thalidomide.

Not a vaccine.


True but it WAS a medication that was rushed without enough study on pregnant women. The FDA's reticence turned out to be a good thing since they didn't approve it.
 
2021-01-26 11:23:07 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: waxbeans: Wait. Aren't old people the only people getting vaccinated right now?

Are all the medical workers over the age of 65 where you live? You might want to leave for somewhere else if that's the case.


That's besides the point.
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2021-01-26 11:37:15 AM  
Drugs were traditionally classified as

A - demonstrated safe for pregnant women
B - demonstrated safe for pregnant animals but not humans
C - demonstrated unsafe for pregnant animals but not humans
D - demonstrated unsafe for pregnant humans, exceptions allowed
X - demonstrated unsafe for pregnant humans, no exceptions

Few drugs are in class A. If I were a pregnant woman I wouldn't hesitate to take a drug that wasn't in class A unless I had some reason to believe it wasn't safe.

Oh, who am I kidding. If I suddenly became a woman I'd spent all the time playing with myself and wouldn't have any time to take drugs.
 
2021-01-26 11:39:26 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: iheartscotch: I mean...it's pretty standard to not give vaccines to pregnant women.

I think my wife got three each the she was pregnant.  One was the flu.  And she's been pregnant three times in the last four years.  They just give them to everyone.


Flu shot = well known reactions

Corona vaccine = nobody knows
 
2021-01-26 11:45:52 AM  

waxbeans: White_Scarf_Syndrome: waxbeans: Wait. Aren't old people the only people getting vaccinated right now?

Are all the medical workers over the age of 65 where you live? You might want to leave for somewhere else if that's the case.

That's besides the point.
🙄


All age ranges are receiving the vaccine based on a multitude of criteria.
 
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