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2021-01-26 7:00:45 AM  
Curt Schilling got way too many votes
 
2021-01-26 7:12:29 AM  
Well, you know what they say.  "Do all the steroids you want.  Just don't get caught and put us in a position to have to pretend it matters to us after we all cashed our checks."
 
2021-01-26 7:18:02 AM  

veale728: Curt Schilling got way too many votes


Bob Veale - LHP - Pirates mid-60's. Threw a "radio ball". You could hear it but you couldn't see it. Really nice guy as well.

Related?

/ where did ALL that money go, mr. asshole fakebloodysock?
 
2021-01-26 7:21:52 AM  

veale728: Curt Schilling got way too many votes


Yeah but he's sure not ever getting in now.
 
2021-01-26 7:28:31 AM  

psilocyberguy: veale728: Curt Schilling got way too many votes

Bob Veale - LHP - Pirates mid-60's. Threw a "radio ball". You could hear it but you couldn't see it. Really nice guy as well.

Related?

/ where did ALL that money go, mr. asshole fakebloodysock?


Pretty sure not related, since Bob Veale is Black
 
2021-01-26 7:42:44 AM  
This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good
 
2021-01-26 7:47:06 AM  

Gubbo: This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good


*except if the writers don't like you or they feel like they can make an example out of you
 
2021-01-26 7:55:37 AM  

IAmRight: Gubbo: This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good

*except if the writers don't like you or they feel like they can make an example out of you


Curt Schilling like typing detected.
 
2021-01-26 8:02:15 AM  
Helton needs to get in there pronto
 
2021-01-26 9:14:43 AM  
This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Harold Baines is in the Hall of Fame
 
2021-01-26 9:52:20 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Helton needs to get in there pronto


I'd also put in a word for Andruw Jones. Maybe the tail end of his career was pretty poor but he was the best center fielder in the majors for a decade.
 
2021-01-26 9:56:04 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Helton needs to get in there pronto


I was quite surprised to see him that far down. he'll get there, just gonna take a few years it looks like.
 
2021-01-26 9:57:48 AM  

Arkanaut: Concrete Donkey: Helton needs to get in there pronto

I'd also put in a word for Andruw Jones. Maybe the tail end of his career was pretty poor but he was the best center fielder in the majors for a decade.


another one I was surprised is so low. I figured his defense made him a shoo-in.
 
2021-01-26 10:26:31 AM  
I'm fine with not having seditionists and scam artists in the HOF.  I'm fine with not having a HOF at all, seems rather pointless to me, if you know the game you know the great players.
 
2021-01-26 10:39:03 AM  
Put Bonds and Clemens in.  Ty Cobb beat a black guy almost to death.  Gaylord Perry cheated his entire career.  Ted Williams introduced amphetamines to the clubhouse when he brought Dexedrine back from WW2, and everybody in baseball used amphetamines from then until they were replaced with ritalin and adderall.

Oh, they're too big of assholes?  Steve Carlton refused to talk to the media for a decade.  Mickey Mantle cheated on his wife and brought his mistress to his HOF ceremony.  Willie McCovey and Duke Snider cheated on their income taxes.

"Yeah, but it was different back then."  Chipper Jones took greenies his entire career.  Roberto Alomar's wife took out restraining orders against him.

All your heroes have feet of clay.  No one can deny that Bonds and Clemens are famous for playing baseball.  Put 'em in.
 
2021-01-26 11:01:16 AM  
Also, the guy who oversaw and enabled everything Bonds and Clemens and everyone else did or didn't do or was rumored to have done, Bud Selig, is in.
 
2021-01-26 11:17:20 AM  

IAmRight: Gubbo: This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good

*except if the writers don't like you or they feel like they can make an example out of you


Ted Williams was famous in his battles with sports press.  Eddie Murray basically ignored them and got in on his first ballot.  If you are on the bubble, then your image and relationship with the writers matters.
 
2021-01-26 11:17:47 AM  
i think bonds is in the clear.
 
2021-01-26 11:23:11 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Helton needs to get in there pronto


Why? He seemed to be well on his way to the HOF in the early 2000s and then spent a decade as an average  player. He's basically a less consistent Don Mattingly.

I'd vote for Scott Rolen and probably Andruw Jones.
 
2021-01-26 11:37:55 AM  
Todd Helton career WAR: 61.8
Don Mattingly career WAR: 42.4
 
2021-01-26 11:54:11 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: i think bonds is in the clear.


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2021-01-26 11:56:15 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: IAmRight: Gubbo: This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good

*except if the writers don't like you or they feel like they can make an example out of you

Ted Williams was famous in his battles with sports press.  Eddie Murray basically ignored them and got in on his first ballot.  If you are on the bubble, then your image and relationship with the writers matters.


I'm mostly talking Bonds/Clemens.

/I'd keep Schilling out specifically because I don't like him (at least Bonds/Clemens were clearly heads and shoulders above everyone else)
//Schilling probably cheated, too, given what we know about the morality of Trumpers
 
2021-01-26 11:56:55 AM  
Also, FOH anyone voting Billy Wagner in lol
 
2021-01-26 12:30:50 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Todd Helton career WAR: 61.8
Don Mattingly career WAR: 42.4


Fangraphs is better than BBR. Helton's career fWAR is 54.9, and was about 44 before he settled in as an average or below-average player for another eight or nine years. Normally a player needs about 60 fWAR to be in the HOF conversation (Dick Allen/Darrell Evans/Bobby Abreu levels), 65 to be a solid case (Edgar Martinez/Dwight Evans/Tony Gwynn), 70 to be compelling (Scott Rolen/Gary Carter/Miguel Cabrera). Postseason heroics are worth a small bump. Helton's neighbors on the career list include the likes of Brian Giles and Norm Cash. OK, he's better than Mattingly, an off-the-top-of-my-head comp. Still not a HOFer.
 
2021-01-26 12:46:30 PM  

phyrkrakr: Put Bonds and Clemens in.  Ty Cobb beat a black guy almost to death.  Gaylord Perry cheated his entire career.  Ted Williams introduced amphetamines to the clubhouse when he brought Dexedrine back from WW2, and everybody in baseball used amphetamines from then until they were replaced with ritalin and adderall.

Oh, they're too big of assholes?  Steve Carlton refused to talk to the media for a decade.  Mickey Mantle cheated on his wife and brought his mistress to his HOF ceremony.  Willie McCovey and Duke Snider cheated on their income taxes.

"Yeah, but it was different back then."  Chipper Jones took greenies his entire career.  Roberto Alomar's wife took out restraining orders against him.

All your heroes have feet of clay.  No one can deny that Bonds and Clemens are famous for playing baseball.  Put 'em in.


Only if Rose goes in as well.     either all unsavory hall worthy players get in or none in my eyes and honestly i view steroid worse than Rose's gambling on baseball.

Shilling is an asshole and a scam artist who doesn't deserve to be .

yes those already in are often far from being angels but times were different when they got in.
 
2021-01-26 1:02:13 PM  

grimlock1972: Only if Rose goes in as well. either all unsavory hall worthy players get in or none in my eyes and honestly i view steroid worse than Rose's gambling on baseball


There is a black and white rule posted in every MLB clubhouse that if you bet on a baseball game in which you have a duty to perform, you are permanently ineligible.

It is absolutely not the same thing, or worse.
 
2021-01-26 1:02:47 PM  

phyrkrakr: Put Bonds and Clemens in.  Ty Cobb beat a black guy almost to death.  Gaylord Perry cheated his entire career.  Ted Williams introduced amphetamines to the clubhouse when he brought Dexedrine back from WW2, and everybody in baseball used amphetamines from then until they were replaced with ritalin and adderall.

Oh, they're too big of assholes?  Steve Carlton refused to talk to the media for a decade.  Mickey Mantle cheated on his wife and brought his mistress to his HOF ceremony.  Willie McCovey and Duke Snider cheated on their income taxes.

"Yeah, but it was different back then."  Chipper Jones took greenies his entire career.  Roberto Alomar's wife took out restraining orders against him.

All your heroes have feet of clay.  No one can deny that Bonds and Clemens are famous for playing baseball.  Put 'em in.


I don't think it is so much a matter of being a good person as it is cheating and/or gambling. Carlton is by all accounts an asshole but I don't know anyone saying he should be kicked out. But Bonds and Clemons are out for cheating and Rose for gambling. In their cases, the conduct in question was directly related to the game.

Also, Cobb probably didn't do most of the horrible things attributed to him. He even spoke up in favor of integration.
 
2021-01-26 1:05:43 PM  
Also, according to TFA, voters are more swayed by traditional stats than fancy new (and more useful) stats like WAR. One would think baseball writer would be all over the new stats but apparently one would be wrong.
 
2021-01-26 1:15:25 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: But Bonds and Clemons are out for cheating and Rose for gambling. In their cases, the conduct in question was directly related to the game.


Bonds and Clemens not being in is an extrajudicial punishment handed down by moralizing sportswriters, not an actual judgment from MLB or the Hall of Fame.
 
2021-01-26 1:18:27 PM  
Jose Canseco finally said something that makes sense on Twitter.
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2021-01-26 1:20:53 PM  

veale728: Curt Schilling got way too many votes


Lots of voter fraud!  Everybody knows it. SAD!

He should sue the sportswriters in Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona.
 
2021-01-26 1:23:19 PM  

ElwoodCuse: AliceBToklasLives: But Bonds and Clemons are out for cheating and Rose for gambling. In their cases, the conduct in question was directly related to the game.

Bonds and Clemens not being in is an extrajudicial punishment handed down by moralizing sportswriters, not an actual judgment from MLB or the Hall of Fame.


Sorta. Rose is banned from baseball so he is ineligible for the Hall. The others are out because of the 'character' and 'sportsmanship' clauses. Voters can't do anything about the ineligible list; they use their judgment on the character and sportsmanship stuff. But the writers are supposed to moralize.
 
2021-01-26 1:30:33 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: ElwoodCuse: AliceBToklasLives: But Bonds and Clemons are out for cheating and Rose for gambling. In their cases, the conduct in question was directly related to the game.

Bonds and Clemens not being in is an extrajudicial punishment handed down by moralizing sportswriters, not an actual judgment from MLB or the Hall of Fame.

Sorta. Rose is banned from baseball so he is ineligible for the Hall. The others are out because of the 'character' and 'sportsmanship' clauses. Voters can't do anything about the ineligible list; they use their judgment on the character and sportsmanship stuff. But the writers are supposed to moralize.


That's not what you said. You said they are "out" because of cheating. That's a debate, and a silly one considering how many cheats are in the hall. But they are still on the ballot. Rose isn't and never will be.
 
2021-01-26 2:04:14 PM  

dukeblue219: veale728: Curt Schilling got way too many votes

Yeah but he's sure not ever getting in now.


Good :)
 
2021-01-26 3:41:08 PM  

ElwoodCuse: AliceBToklasLives: ElwoodCuse: AliceBToklasLives: But Bonds and Clemons are out for cheating and Rose for gambling. In their cases, the conduct in question was directly related to the game.

Bonds and Clemens not being in is an extrajudicial punishment handed down by moralizing sportswriters, not an actual judgment from MLB or the Hall of Fame.

Sorta. Rose is banned from baseball so he is ineligible for the Hall. The others are out because of the 'character' and 'sportsmanship' clauses. Voters can't do anything about the ineligible list; they use their judgment on the character and sportsmanship stuff. But the writers are supposed to moralize.

That's not what you said. You said they are "out" because of cheating. That's a debate, and a silly one considering how many cheats are in the hall. But they are still on the ballot. Rose isn't and never will be.


Fair enough. I don't expect them to be in but that doesn't mean they are officially out.
 
2021-01-26 3:48:25 PM  

ElwoodCuse: grimlock1972: Only if Rose goes in as well. either all unsavory hall worthy players get in or none in my eyes and honestly i view steroid worse than Rose's gambling on baseball

There is a black and white rule posted in every MLB clubhouse that if you bet on a baseball game in which you have a duty to perform, you are permanently ineligible.

It is absolutely not the same thing, or worse.


Not he precisely the same thing no.    Rose on field legacy is all him and not the product of chemical enhancement beyond perhaps amphetamines' which mere kept a player going longer.
 
2021-01-26 4:24:46 PM  

psilocyberguy: veale728: Curt Schilling got way too many votes

Bob Veale - LHP - Pirates mid-60's. Threw a "radio ball". You could hear it but you couldn't see it. Really nice guy as well.

Related?

/ where did ALL that money go, mr. asshole fakebloodysock?


Saw him when he was pitched for Boston
 
2021-01-26 4:43:05 PM  
Well we all know one thing for sure: When Ichiro has his name on the ballot, it wont stay on there. He will be a dead lock in 2 or 3 years depending on how they rule, and honestly there isnt anyone who had what he had
 
2021-01-26 5:26:05 PM  

IAmRight: yet_another_wumpus: IAmRight: Gubbo: This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good

*except if the writers don't like you or they feel like they can make an example out of you

Ted Williams was famous in his battles with sports press.  Eddie Murray basically ignored them and got in on his first ballot.  If you are on the bubble, then your image and relationship with the writers matters.

I'm mostly talking Bonds/Clemens.

/I'd keep Schilling out specifically because I don't like him (at least Bonds/Clemens were clearly heads and shoulders above everyone else)
//Schilling probably cheated, too, given what we know about the morality of Trumpers


Bond and Clemons extended their careers. As Ken Griffey, Jr. faded, these two began setting impossible records at advanced ages, defying logic. 

Want to know what Bonds would be without the clear? Bobby Bonilla.

And Clemons' B.S. run around Congress to whip support for himself was the perfect epitome. His career would have been shorter and he'd be in the Hall.

And can't remember: was Pettitte clean or drugged?
 
2021-01-26 5:59:58 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: IAmRight: yet_another_wumpus: IAmRight: Gubbo: This is why I like baseball. It's the Hall of Fame. It's for the absolute best players.

Yes I'm looking at you nfl and your Hall of Very Good

*except if the writers don't like you or they feel like they can make an example out of you

Ted Williams was famous in his battles with sports press.  Eddie Murray basically ignored them and got in on his first ballot.  If you are on the bubble, then your image and relationship with the writers matters.

I'm mostly talking Bonds/Clemens.

/I'd keep Schilling out specifically because I don't like him (at least Bonds/Clemens were clearly heads and shoulders above everyone else)
//Schilling probably cheated, too, given what we know about the morality of Trumpers

Bond and Clemons extended their careers. As Ken Griffey, Jr. faded, these two began setting impossible records at advanced ages, defying logic. 

Want to know what Bonds would be without the clear? Bobby Bonilla.

And Clemons' B.S. run around Congress to whip support for himself was the perfect epitome. His career would have been shorter and he'd be in the Hall.

And can't remember: was Pettitte clean or drugged?


If we assume that Bonds didn't start using until after the McGwire-Sosa HR chase, which is what most people say, then he was already HOF-worthy before that point.

Clemens, though... I don't think we can say that as confidently about him. He appeared to be in serious decline in the mid-90s, before he moved on to Toronto and suddenly bounced back into dominance.
 
2021-01-26 6:22:43 PM  
That'd be a nope on everyone.

Nick Swisher was on the ballot??  Why?
 
2021-01-26 6:50:11 PM  

Magnus: That'd be a nope on everyone.

Nick Swisher was on the ballot??  Why?


You're automatically added if you played ten years.
 
2021-01-26 7:02:05 PM  
Lol Curt Schilling is having a meltdown. One of those totally not mad actually I'm laughing meltdowns
 
2021-01-26 7:02:53 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: And can't remember: was Pettitte clean or drugged?


Pettitte admitted to using HGH for recovery purposes
 
2021-01-26 7:23:47 PM  
But seriously, how the hell does Billy Wagner get half the vote?

"Well, he never led the league in anything, was never the league's best closer, played a fake position that pretty much any decent pitcher can succeed in, and his only big moments were getting absolutely shelled in the postseason...definitely put him in."
 
2021-01-26 7:58:26 PM  
well it is official no one got in and Shilling asked to be taken off next years ballot so that the veterans committee gets top decide if he is in our not.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/no-one-w​a​s-voted-into-the-baseball-hall-of-fame​-this-year-232146550.html

Shilling had this to say:

"I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I'll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don't think I'm a hall of famer as I've often stated but if former players think I am then I'll accept that with honor."
.
"I've certainly been exposed to racism and sexism and homophobia as it's part of who human beings are. I've played with and talked with gay teammates. I've played with wife beaters, adulterers, assaulted, drug addicts and alcoholics. I've never hit a woman, driven drunk, done drugs, PEDs or otherwise, assaulted anyone or committed any sort of crime. But I'm now somehow in a conversation with two men who cheated, and instead of being accountable they chose to destroy others lives to protect their lie. I will always have one thing they will forever chase. A legacy. Whatever mine is as a player it will be the truth, and one I earned for better or worse."


Rhode Island begs to disagree asshole.
 
2021-01-26 8:24:34 PM  

grimlock1972: well it is official no one got in and Shilling asked to be taken off next years ballot so that the veterans committee gets top decide if he is in our not.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/no-one-wa​s-voted-into-the-baseball-hall-of-fame​-this-year-232146550.html

Shilling had this to say:

"I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I'll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don't think I'm a hall of famer as I've often stated but if former players think I am then I'll accept that with honor."
.
"I've certainly been exposed to racism and sexism and homophobia as it's part of who human beings are. I've played with and talked with gay teammates. I've played with wife beaters, adulterers, assaulted, drug addicts and alcoholics. I've never hit a woman, driven drunk, done drugs, PEDs or otherwise, assaulted anyone or committed any sort of crime. But I'm now somehow in a conversation with two men who cheated, and instead of being accountable they chose to destroy others lives to protect their lie. I will always have one thing they will forever chase. A legacy. Whatever mine is as a player it will be the truth, and one I earned for better or worse."

Rhode Island begs to disagree asshole.


I read his rant on Facebook and now I'm thoroughly depressed by the sheer number of people who adore him, call him a great patriot, thank him for everything he does, on and on.
 
2021-01-26 10:48:47 PM  

grimlock1972: well it is official no one got in and Shilling asked to be taken off next years ballot so that the veterans committee gets top decide if he is in our not.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/no-one-wa​s-voted-into-the-baseball-hall-of-fame​-this-year-232146550.html

Shilling had this to say:

"I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I'll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don't think I'm a hall of famer as I've often stated but if former players think I am then I'll accept that with honor."
.
"I've certainly been exposed to racism and sexism and homophobia as it's part of who human beings are. I've played with and talked with gay teammates. I've played with wife beaters, adulterers, assaulted, drug addicts and alcoholics. I've never hit a woman, driven drunk, done drugs, PEDs or otherwise, assaulted anyone or committed any sort of crime. But I'm now somehow in a conversation with two men who cheated, and instead of being accountable they chose to destroy others lives to protect their lie. I will always have one thing they will forever chase. A legacy. Whatever mine is as a player it will be the truth, and one I earned for better or worse."

Rhode Island begs to disagree asshole.


Again, he's a Trumper, so of course he's, in one comment, saying that of course he's not in, that the voters' opinions don't matter, that everyone else he played with is terrible, bit that he's pure as the driven snow. That oh, I don't think I'm a Hall of Famer, but anyone who doesn't elect me is illegitimate.

I hope the Veterans Committee never lets him in, either, if only so he can rant about how their opinions don't matter, either. Maybe he'll try to start his own Hall of Fame.
 
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