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2021-01-26 6:42:16 AM  
You could say that those cases were........


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aborted.

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/dnrtfa
 
2021-01-26 6:43:31 AM  
And that's wonderful.
 
2021-01-26 6:44:06 AM  
Every crisis is an opportunity with those slimy bastards.
 
2021-01-26 6:46:51 AM  
The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.
 
2021-01-26 6:46:54 AM  
Yeah it ain't like we got a fark ton of god botherers in the SCOTUS....
 
2021-01-26 6:50:46 AM  
The ahole governor of Texas, who refused to lockdown the state as cases of covid piled and hospitals got strained, and health workers begged for help, used the pandemic as an excuse to ban abortions. Because he is pro life.
 
2021-01-26 6:51:15 AM  
They really boofed it
 
2021-01-26 6:54:20 AM  

jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.


Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.
 
2021-01-26 6:59:37 AM  
Labelling abortions nonessential just shows a real disconnect with reality.  If you and/or your spouse are at risk of losing your job due to covid, it may not be the best time to have a kid.  That's a hard decision to make, and one I wish no one has to make, but being a realist it's bound to happen.

But then again, nothing really surprises me these days.
 
2021-01-26 7:00:36 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


Well when Hitler nominates nazis to higher ranks, usually they are bad people and will rule in favor of nazis.
 
2021-01-26 7:08:56 AM  

AsparagusFTW: You could say that those cases were........


.......


aborted.

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/dnrtfa


I see your sullen and aborted currents.
 
2021-01-26 7:10:18 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


That's what they're literally appointed to do. It would be stupid to blindly assume they'll act against everything they've done up until that point.
 
2021-01-26 7:11:58 AM  

kbronsito: The ahole governor of Texas, who refused to lockdown the state as cases of covid piled and hospitals got strained, and health workers begged for help, used the pandemic as an excuse to ban abortions. Because he is pro life.


Life never was sacred to these pricks, outside their own.

Just power/money.
 
2021-01-26 7:16:26 AM  
Why have minor sideways state laws to outlaw abortion, when your major decision to outlaw abortion at a federal level is coming down the pike.
 
2021-01-26 7:17:09 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


Listen man, every decision Trump has made has been the wrong one. We're just thankful that he didn't appoint Scott Baio, in character as Bob Loblaw, to the highest court in the land.
 
2021-01-26 7:23:24 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


This was a procedural thing, not a instance that would show the courts willingness to overturn RvW.

The SCOTUS is very considerate of procedural precedent and dismisses many cases they ultimately would have been sympathetic to just because it doesn't match with their standards to proceed. In this instance they wiped out case law because the relief desired was granted before the appeals process completed. Leaving these rulings stand would make it extremely hard to fight future cases along similar lines and allow a case that was under appeal to be referenced in future litigation.

SCOTUS cares more about the process than anything else. They euthanize their own mother if the case to stop it wasn't following the proper process. As harsh as that sounds, that ultimately makes sense. If they frequently tossed their process and rules aside because they wanted to overturn or rule on a precedent, then their legitimacy as a court and ultimately judge of the constitution would be in question.

Long story short, do not read this as an unwillingness to overturn RvW. This is purely a process question. When a suitable case presents itself, they'll deliver the goods. They are all relatively young (conservative side) and have plenty of time. If they do it properly, they'll kill abortion for a generation at least.
 
2021-01-26 7:33:43 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


I know you held her down while judge beer was there, but yer not changing my mind.
 
2021-01-26 7:34:27 AM  
This is fairly significant  - if they have supported the notion that they qualify as an essential service during a pandemic, is it not an obvious logical conclusion that they're essential, period. End of sentence? Hard to make the argument that they're illegal, immoral and not a constitutionally protected element of "Life, Liberty and the PoH" when you've in fact declared them an essential service.
 
2021-01-26 7:35:13 AM  

LL316: Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.

That's what they're literally appointed to do. It would be stupid to blindly assume they'll act against everything they've done up until that point.


Don't blindly assume they will or won't uphold the reasons they got out on the bench. Several Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 1 appointees ended being some of the staunchest liberals on the court for a generation
 
2021-01-26 7:37:01 AM  

LL316: Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.

That's what they're literally appointed to do. It would be stupid to blindly assume they'll act against everything they've done up until that point.


I guess everyone needs a hobby, although constantly clutching one's pearls is a rather odd way to spend one's time.
 
2021-01-26 7:39:44 AM  
FTFA: a state can restrict constitutional rights, including "one's right to peaceably assemble, to publicly worship, to travel, and even to leave one's home," adding: "The right to abortion is no exception."

This is just pure USDA prime stiggin' it from a Federal Court of appeals, slathered in a thick gravy of disingenuous rationalization. There is a reason, in a pandemic, to curtail rights that can exacerbate the spread of a deadly disease. The courts have always allowed time, place, and manner restrictions. There was no outright ban on any of those things. Drawing a parallel to limited  curtailments to some expressions of some rights to completely banning one entire right is horseshiat.
 
2021-01-26 7:50:38 AM  
1) Dems need to stop calling anti-abortionists "pro-life". Everyone this side of Charles Manson and Hitler is pro-life. Anti-abortionists are "anti-choice" - they aren't "pro" anything.
2) Dems need to point out and drill it into everyone's skulls that abortion rates are at their lowest when the economy is at it's highest. The main reason, but not the only reason, people have abortions is because they can't afford another mouth to feed. This needs to be the argument used for an increased social net and higher pay.
Stop letting Republicans define both sides of the debate.

/rant over
 
2021-01-26 7:50:42 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: LL316: Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.

That's what they're literally appointed to do. It would be stupid to blindly assume they'll act against everything they've done up until that point.

I guess everyone needs a hobby, although constantly clutching one's pearls is a rather odd way to spend one's time.


Yeah, I guess it's ok if he's a rapist and his gambling debts mysteriously disappeared as long as he votes how I like sometimes.
 
2021-01-26 7:54:59 AM  
I'm quite sure justice beer bro paid for an abortion or two in his youth.
 
2021-01-26 8:06:24 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


This was such a wasted opportunity for a trolly misdirection headline.
 
2021-01-26 8:07:29 AM  

freakdiablo: Labelling abortions nonessential just shows a real disconnect with reality.  If you and/or your spouse are at risk of losing your job due to covid, it may not be the best time to have a kid.  That's a hard decision to make, and one I wish no one has to make, but being a realist it's bound to happen.


That's not even why it's essential.

Essential is just a matter of time sensitivity.
 
2021-01-26 8:07:39 AM  

jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.


That doesn't mean I have to be happy with them, though.

I'll give 'em this one.  Nice work, Supremes.

Then again, while most rank and file righties sincerely think that abortion is baby murder and want us to stop it with all their twisted little hearts, I suspect that the movers and shakers of the GOP know that this issue and the second amendment is what really butters their bread.  I doubt they actually want to take abortion off the table at the federal level.  Part of me thinks that it was chosen specifically because it was easy to emotionally charge and because it was settled law after Roe v Wade.  It's an extremely safe space to virtue signal from.
 
2021-01-26 8:09:51 AM  

jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.


no they just said that since trump is out of office all the money he made abusing his office doesn't count anymore.

so remember kids, if you commit a crime at work, just quit before they call the law.
 
2021-01-26 8:13:42 AM  

You Are All Sheep: no they just said that since trump is out of office all the money he made abusing his office doesn't count anymore.

so remember kids, if you commit a crime at work, just quit before they call the law.


Money he already grifted was never on the table.  The case was to make him stop doing it.

In order to punish him for what he already did, the only mechanism is impeachment.
 
2021-01-26 8:28:39 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: 1) Dems need to stop calling anti-abortionists "pro-life". Everyone this side of Charles Manson and Hitler is pro-life. Anti-abortionists are "anti-choice" - they aren't "pro" anything.
2) Dems need to point out and drill it into everyone's skulls that abortion rates are at their lowest when the economy is at it's highest. The main reason, but not the only reason, people have abortions is because they can't afford another mouth to feed. This needs to be the argument used for an increased social net and higher pay.
Stop letting Republicans define both sides of the debate.

/rant over


Your second point is just so f*cking important.  And you're absolutely correct - Republicans define both sides of that argument.  They have their cake and eat it too.

The study of law isn't just learning what laws we have in this country.  It's also about rhetoric and logic.  Don't tell me Dems are worse at logic than Republicans.  Come on guys, get in the game!  You're getting stomped by morons.
 
2021-01-26 8:29:45 AM  
FTA: "Gov. Greg Abbott ordered a halt to nonessential medical procedures in late March to conserve hospital resources and personal protective equipment."

Beyond the abortion blocking, you're telling me that during this whole pandemic no Houston socialites continued to get face-lifts, tummy tucks, and boob jobs?

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2021-01-26 8:36:30 AM  
Abortions are self defense. Self defense is essential.
 
2021-01-26 8:36:38 AM  
Odd that a NBC link is farked, so I DNRTFA.

I begrudgingly like Roberts. It appears that he has more interest in the law than politics.
 
2021-01-26 8:39:05 AM  

You Are All Sheep: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

no they just said that since trump is out of office all the money he made abusing his office doesn't count anymore.

so remember kids, if you commit a crime at work, just quit before they call the law.


And that's exactly how the court system works, numbnuts.

Remember the case from a couple months ago about the uppity kid from Oregon who got butthurt that a trans was using the same bathroom?  The supreme court tossed the case out.  Why?  Because the kid graduated.  There's nothing left to remedy.

Same deal there.
 
2021-01-26 8:39:08 AM  

jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.


Yeah, it's like the executive branch oth the past four years just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that the judiciary istheir equal.
 
2021-01-26 8:46:30 AM  

You Are All Sheep: no they just said that since trump is out of office all the money he made abusing his office doesn't count anymore.


No, they didn't. They just ruled that he can not be sued to cease and desist something he is no longer capable of doing. He can still be sued for damages (if someone could determine them) or pursued criminally.
Their ruling leaves the entire emoluments issue un-addressed and unresolved.
They basically kicked the can down the road.
 
2021-01-26 8:47:52 AM  

Mike_1962: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yeah, it's like the executive branch oth the past four years just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that the judiciary istheir equal.


Trump thinks every person he meets works for him or is supposed to, as far as I can tell.
 
2021-01-26 8:49:45 AM  

jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.


Plus, they're looking at this issue from a legal perspective, not a battle between "my body, my choice" and "won't someone think of the children."  They saw something in the way this was upheld that they didn't agree with, or set bad precedent, or something in that nature.  What the 5th Circuit was upholding may have been irrelevant, it's how they upheld it that caused the problem.  Sure, there was probably some internal argument, and Barrett in particular probably didn't like it, but she understood the reasoning.  I hope.

When the rubber hits to road and someone puts together a coherent and legally sound case to ban abortion, I have no doubt this court will uphold it.  Given the recent track record of conservatives and sloppy legal arguments, I'm not holding my breath.

tl/dr for conservatives:  That's not how this works.  That's not how any of this works.
 
2021-01-26 8:53:18 AM  

freakdiablo: Labelling abortions nonessential just shows a real disconnect with reality.  If you and/or your spouse are at risk of losing your job due to covid, it may not be the best time to have a kid.  That's a hard decision to make, and one I wish no one has to make, but being a realist it's bound to happen.


But with you and/or spouse not having jobs, that's a lot of time spent at home with nothing much else to do. A kid may be inevitable.
 
2021-01-26 8:54:51 AM  

Great_Milenko: When the rubber hits to road and someone puts together a coherent and legally sound case to ban abortion, I have no doubt this court will uphold it. Given the recent track record of conservatives and sloppy legal arguments, I'm not holding my breath.


This. It's going to take a great deal more than some 37th-in-his-class lawdog from Liberty University writing that "Abortion should be ban, cuz icky" to overturn Roe v. Wade.
And like you, I ain't holding mt breath.
 
2021-01-26 8:59:36 AM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.


The article didn't say, but I'd like to know which judges voted for women, and which voted for Texas.
 
2021-01-26 9:02:29 AM  

(ORDER LIST: 592 U.S.)
MONDAY, JANUARY 25, 2021
CERTIORARI -- SUMMARY DISPOSITIONS



[...]

20-305 PLANNED PARENTHOOD, ET AL. V. ABBOTT, GOV. OF TX, ET AL. The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted. The judgment is vacated, and the case is remanded to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit with instructions to dismiss the case as moot. See United States v. Munsingwear, Inc., 340 U. S. 36 (1950).


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Yeah, not enough caffeine this morning to decipher this yet, even with help.
 
2021-01-26 9:03:56 AM  

Mr. Tweedy: 1) Dems need to stop calling anti-abortionists "pro-life". Everyone this side of Charles Manson and Hitler is pro-life. Anti-abortionists are "anti-choice" - they aren't "pro" anything.
2) Dems need to point out and drill it into everyone's skulls that abortion rates are at their lowest when the economy is at it's highest. The main reason, but not the only reason, people have abortions is because they can't afford another mouth to feed. This needs to be the argument used for an increased social net and higher pay.
Stop letting Republicans define both sides of the debate.

/rant over


Using logic on fetus lovers won't change their mind, they'll just shout "dead babies!".
 
2021-01-26 9:06:24 AM  

BeesNuts: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

That doesn't mean I have to be happy with them, though.

I'll give 'em this one.  Nice work, Supremes.

Then again, while most rank and file righties sincerely think that abortion is baby murder and want us to stop it with all their twisted little hearts, I suspect that the movers and shakers of the GOP know that this issue and the second amendment is what really butters their bread.  I doubt they actually want to take abortion off the table at the federal level.  Part of me thinks that it was chosen specifically because it was easy to emotionally charge and because it was settled law after Roe v Wade.  It's an extremely safe space to virtue signal from.


That's a foolish attitude. We've seen what the "rubes" are willing to do when riled up.
 
2021-01-26 9:10:12 AM  

jake3988: You Are All Sheep: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

no they just said that since trump is out of office all the money he made abusing his office doesn't count anymore.

so remember kids, if you commit a crime at work, just quit before they call the law.

And that's exactly how the court system works, numbnuts.

Remember the case from a couple months ago about the uppity kid from Oregon who got butthurt that a trans was using the same bathroom?  The supreme court tossed the case out.  Why?  Because the kid graduated.  There's nothing left to remedy.

Same deal there.


You do realize that same argument was tried in Roe v Wade, and failed? "Jane Roe" gave birth while the case was going on, and the SC rejected the idea that the case should be dismissed because it was moot for her.
 
2021-01-26 9:11:57 AM  

Ishkur: freakdiablo: Labelling abortions nonessential just shows a real disconnect with reality.  If you and/or your spouse are at risk of losing your job due to covid, it may not be the best time to have a kid.  That's a hard decision to make, and one I wish no one has to make, but being a realist it's bound to happen.

But with you and/or spouse not having jobs, that's a lot of time spent at home with nothing much else to do. A kid may be inevitable.


Oral sex and strap-ons exist.
 
2021-01-26 9:14:21 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: BeesNuts: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

That doesn't mean I have to be happy with them, though.

I'll give 'em this one.  Nice work, Supremes.

Then again, while most rank and file righties sincerely think that abortion is baby murder and want us to stop it with all their twisted little hearts, I suspect that the movers and shakers of the GOP know that this issue and the second amendment is what really butters their bread.  I doubt they actually want to take abortion off the table at the federal level.  Part of me thinks that it was chosen specifically because it was easy to emotionally charge and because it was settled law after Roe v Wade.  It's an extremely safe space to virtue signal from.

That's a foolish attitude. We've seen what the "rubes" are willing to do when riled up.


Maybe I misspoke.  The rubes will continue doing terrorisms.  Some of those will be against facilities and doctors that perform abortions.

But I don't think Roe v Wade is actually under threat from the GOP.  If they catch that car and manage to overturn it somehow, there goes 30% of their campaigning.

HOWEVER, given a few more election cycles, we might run out of rational actors in the GOP proper.  There are already Q-anon weirdos and other true believers in there.  Once the cynics lose control, who the hell knows.
 
2021-01-26 9:36:15 AM  

jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.


When you have a lifetime appointment, mere presidents are just temps.
 
2021-01-26 9:39:22 AM  

MattytheMouse: Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.

Listen man, every decision Trump has made has been the wrong one. We're just thankful that he didn't appoint Scott Baio, in character as Bob Loblaw, to the highest court in the land.


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He does use Republican logic.
 
2021-01-26 9:41:00 AM  

somedude210: LL316: Chief Superintendent Lookout: jso2897: The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment - like tenure on steroids.
SCOTUS judges have a pretty noticeable historic pattern of not doing the thing some President installed them to do.
The Righties may end up being very unhappy with "their" court, before  all is said and done.

Yes, but this is Fark, where people insist any judge nominated by a Republican will immediately trash stare decisis if elevated to a higher bench.

That's what they're literally appointed to do. It would be stupid to blindly assume they'll act against everything they've done up until that point.

Don't blindly assume they will or won't uphold the reasons they got out on the bench. Several Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 1 appointees ended being some of the staunchest liberals on the court for a generation


Eisenhower kicked himself until his dying day for appointing Earl Warren. The guy signs off on interning thousands of Japanese Americans - seems like a good, solid Republican. Next thing you know, he's recognizing that criminal defendants have rights. You think you know someone....
 
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