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2021-01-25 5:33:23 PM  
No. In two years they will be lucky to win their division. As far as the conference, Buffalo Baltimore Tennessee Miami Cleveland are all poised to become the wrecking crew. The AFC is going to be must see TV for the foreseeable future.
 
2021-01-25 5:36:22 PM  
As QB playing in them?  Unlikely as hell.

TB12 has been there, what 10 times?  But it has taken over 20 years.
 
2021-01-25 5:49:49 PM  
Slow your roll, dude.
 
2021-01-25 9:18:08 PM  
Probably no.

He can win several more though
 
2021-01-25 9:20:46 PM  
Does he get four games a year against clownshoes opponents, plus two more against the Jets who can barely get off the team bus without falling face first into a puddle of their own drool?
 
2021-01-25 9:33:53 PM  
If his body holds together and the league continues to *cough* take measures to protect players' safety, sure, why not?  Maybe other kids coming up behind him, but there's nobody better ahead of him.
 
2021-01-25 9:36:32 PM  

Gulper Eel: Does he get four games a year against clownshoes opponents, plus two more against the Jets who can barely get off the team bus without falling face first into a puddle of their own drool?


Not sure who you're talking about.  They played zero games against the NFC East this year.
 
2021-01-25 10:27:34 PM  
Brady is 43.  No way anyone else can pull that off.  Not at 43.
 
2021-01-25 10:42:24 PM  
Patrick Mahomes is only the 21st QB to get to a second Super Bowl.  Of those, 12 went to a third Super, and just 7 went to a fourth.  Only Elway has 5 appearances, but he only has a 2-3 record in them.
 
2021-01-25 11:05:18 PM  
Simple answer? Yes. But it will require three things.

First, he has to play long enough without significant injury at a high level. That depends a lot on the next two things.

Second, he has to fight the his own ego, the NFLPA, his agents, his family, and everybody else with an interest in his contract and offer a hometown discount. Without that his team won't be able to consistently protect him and give him weapons to keep winning.

Third, management has to make good decisions in drafting, re-signing, and free agent market, and the coaches have to properly coach them up.

For better or worse, Tom Brady and the Patriots showed how to do it. Follow that model and it's possible, however unlikely.
 
2021-01-25 11:35:15 PM  
Thanks, Green Bay.  Now we get two weeks of these stupid farking articles about Brady.
 
2021-01-25 11:41:02 PM  
Mahomes could go to eight more Super Bowls. In a row. Absolutely. He can totally afford Super Bowl tickets.
 
2021-01-25 11:48:56 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Thanks, Green Bay.  Now we get two weeks of these stupid farking articles about Brady.


Is New Orleans blameless?
 
2021-01-25 11:59:39 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Simple answer? Yes. But it will require three things.

First, he has to play long enough without significant injury at a high level. That depends a lot on the next two things.

Second, he has to fight the his own ego, the NFLPA, his agents, his family, and everybody else with an interest in his contract and offer a hometown discount. Without that his team won't be able to consistently protect him and give him weapons to keep winning.

Third, management has to make good decisions in drafting, re-signing, and free agent market, and the coaches have to properly coach them up.

For better or worse, Tom Brady and the Patriots showed how to do it. Follow that model and it's possible, however unlikely.


I don't disagree with anything you've written, but as Mahomes' contract runs through the next decade, like half a billion until 2031, I think the order of your conditions is not quite right.

This is his second  SB appearance. In his third season. He's also got the advantage of having started at a younger age compared with Brady.

Can Mahomes get to three more SB in the next 10 years? (And then we'd see what the 2030s bring). That doesn't sound unreasonable, if:

1. The Chiefs draft well, especially improving the offensive line positions (which needs work). Defense also may soon need looking at...

2. Other players accept reduced contracts to stay in KC as they become free agents (insert "Mahomes rate" State Farm joke here).

3. Other teams don't become too good too quickly. After all Belichick will now in turn want to prove his own greatness (with another QB than Brady). The Jets, Chargers, Bengals and Dolphins will all improve (and Jags are getting another potential all time great).

Soooo...? Putting these facts together, I'd lean towards it being highly unlikely.

But. BUT.

Mahomes doesn't exactly need ten SB appearances to dethrone Brady as the GOAT.

Things Mahomes *could* accomplish that would put him on top (or at least help a narrative to put him over the top):

1. Be greater than all other QBs in all statistical categories (and have more talent and athletic ability than Brady). This means Mahomes needs AT LEAST six SB appearances and five wins (since Montana has four and some fools STILL cling to the notion that 4-0 is better than 6-3).

2. Win this year's head to head matchup against Brady. Like, convincingly.

3. Do a three-peat (win three Super Bowls three years in a row, something even Brady hasn't managed).

4. Have an overall better playoff record than Brady does. So, for instance Brady will be either 6-4 or 7-3 in Super Bowls, and is 10-4 in conference championships. So if Mahomes ends up 6-0 or 6-1 in Super Bowls and is 6-2 or 7-2  in conferences championships, especially if his individual stats are better that'd be something...

I like to call this, the Michael Jordan scenario: six rings, no losses at the highest level, and great individual performances. And then there'd be an argument to be made (given the level of competition that I mentioned previously, and the fact that Mahomes is undoubtedly a better talent).
 
2021-01-26 12:00:45 AM  
What, as a fan?
 
2021-01-26 12:26:07 AM  
I don't know but I do know Mahomes is a lot of fun to watch and Brady is the QB equivalent of a Jedi Knight.  I wish the Super bowl was played this weekend.  One week off usually makes for a pretty ugly first half.
 
2021-01-26 2:33:16 AM  
yes
 
2021-01-26 2:40:33 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Thanks, Green Bay.  Now we get two weeks of these stupid farking articles about Brady.


Farking seriously. All I care about is this Super Bowl, Mahomes takes the torch and burns Brady with it.
 
2021-01-26 5:18:34 AM  
I am wondering if today's players will care to have as long of careers as players in the past. With the money they make is there really any reason to play past 10 years, heck for some past 5 or 6 years
 
2021-01-26 7:25:50 AM  
Can Kurt Warner?
Can Peyton Manning?
Can Donovan McNabb?
Can Ben Roethlisberger?
Can Drew Brees?
Can Eli Manning?
Can Aaron Rodgers?
Can Russell Wilson?
Sound familiar?

The reason Mahomes is a little different is because he will play half his career in a league that doesn't have Tom Brady and most of that talent listed above in it.  He'll still have to contend with the likes of Watson and the salary cap.  And is there a coach that anyone thinks could stop Mahomes year after year?  He has Reid on his side.

/There's one coach who can and he's tinkering with some dumb Cam Newton project
 
2021-01-26 7:50:54 AM  
Statistically unlikely, but if anyone can it's him.

26-1 in his last 27 games
Never lost by more than one score in three full seasons as a starter
NFL MVP, Super Bowl MVP, and three home AFCCG appearances (with two wins) before he turned 26
114-24 TD/INT ratio
Over 14k yards

Most importantly, he has the Jordan-esque competitive prick side in him of taking any perceived slight personally.

The winning percentage and close game record is unsustainable, but it speaks to the last part better than any other stat can. He just refuses to lose.
 
2021-01-26 8:15:37 AM  
I am sicker of hearing about Mahomes and seeing his smug douche face everywhere.
 
2021-01-26 10:21:16 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Statistically unlikely, but if anyone can it's him.

26-1 in his last 27 games
Never lost by more than one score in three full seasons as a starter
NFL MVP, Super Bowl MVP, and three home AFCCG appearances (with two wins) before he turned 26
114-24 TD/INT ratio
Over 14k yards

Most importantly, he has the Jordan-esque competitive prick side in him of taking any perceived slight personally.

The winning percentage and close game record is unsustainable, but it speaks to the last part better than any other stat can. He just refuses to lose.


Would be kinda funny if Brady does like Sampras: build an unassailable case for GOAT only to have it ended by some upstart he met at one of his last wimbledons/last Superbowl before he even has a chance to go completely gray in retirement.
 
2021-01-26 10:52:52 AM  

sotua: Would be kinda funny if Brady does like Sampras: build an unassailable case for GOAT only to have it ended by some upstart he met at one of his last wimbledons/last Superbowl before he even has a chance to go completely gray in retirement.


Sampras could have won more majors but there was a point where he actually got bored with being #1. His serve-volley game was so perfect -- especially on grass -- that it was practically impossible to break him (and only a few people could do it, Agassi being one of them). It got to the point where he found it tedious, the same strategy over and over in every match, in hundreds of matches. It was like being One-Punch Man.

This never happened with Federer because he has worthy opponents in Nadal and Djokovic to keep him going. The competition is what pushes them, and keeps them fresh and forever striving to win.

Also: Due to Sampras' game being emulated by other big servers (Ivanisevic, Roddick, etc) making returning almost impossible and rallying non-existent, the sport's governing body changed the composition of the balls and the surfaces (especially hard courts) to slow the game down. This change fundamentally flipped the script and led to the rise of wiley returners like Federer and Nadal. Big servers are still a threat but the most successful players all have monster rally games now.

/the more you know
 
2021-01-26 11:01:57 AM  
Oh just let the kid shine in the moment.
 
2021-01-26 11:02:37 AM  
It would be devastating for the NFL.  It's better when there is real competition.  As a Patriots fan, the past 20 years have been fun to watch, but I know it hasn't been great for the league as a whole.

If the Chiefs and Mahomes spend the next 10-20 years dominating the AFC right after the Patriots finally fall off, you have to start wondering if there's something wrong with the rest of the AFC.  Having 30-40 years of single team dominance is horrendous, even if it's from two separate teams.

As good as Mahomes is, having continued high level success beyond a 4-5 year window is a lot more on the team/GM, which is what makes the Patriots/Brady run so improbable, especially in the era of free agency.  Just ask Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or even Peyton Manning how fun it is to be known as the more talented QB than the one that is collecting rings.
 
2021-01-26 11:25:36 AM  

duckpoopy: I am sicker of hearing about Mahomes and seeing his smug douche face everywhere.


You picked the perfect Fark handle, because all you do is quack and shiat on everything.

How much projection does it take to hate on Pat Mahomes? All reports and interviews point to him having a good head on his shoulders, and he's clearly having a fun time on the field with his teammates.

Lock your kitchen door so that no one pisses in your Cheerios tomorrow morning too.
 
2021-01-26 12:21:14 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Simple answer? Yes. But it will require three things.

First, he has to play long enough without significant injury at a high level. That depends a lot on the next two things.

Second, he has to fight the his own ego, the NFLPA, his agents, his family, and everybody else with an interest in his contract and offer a hometown discount. Without that his team won't be able to consistently protect him and give him weapons to keep winning.

Third, management has to make good decisions in drafting, re-signing, and free agent market, and the coaches have to properly coach them up.

For better or worse, Tom Brady and the Patriots showed how to do it. Follow that model and it's possible, however unlikely.



Be married to an ultra-wealthy supermodel so that you have no need to ask for obscene QB money which can be spent on other parts of the team?
 
2021-01-26 12:50:40 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Can Kurt Warner?
Can Peyton Manning?
Can Donovan McNabb?
Can Ben Roethlisberger?
Can Drew Brees?
Can Eli Manning?
Can Aaron Rodgers?
Can Russell Wilson?
Sound familiar?


One of these things just doesn't belong.  One of these things aint like the others.

//Possibly two
 
2021-01-26 12:53:24 PM  

duckpoopy: I am sicker of hearing about Mahomes and seeing his smug douche face everywhere.


I'm detecting a faint whiff of Raiders/Broncos fan here . . .

(Not the Chargers, because they have their own new hotshot QB now.)
 
2021-01-26 1:41:03 PM  

joepennerlives: duckpoopy: I am sicker of hearing about Mahomes and seeing his smug douche face everywhere.

I'm detecting a faint whiff of Raiders/Broncos fan here . . .

(Not the Chargers, because they have their own new hotshot QB now.)


I'm not a Chiefs guy, but I don't get how PM gets any hate.  Outside of the non-stop insurance commercials (and even in those he doesn't come off douchey like AA Ron does) he seems nothing but awesome.  He is a young, fun, better version of Favre.  If he stays healthy he could end up owning most of the NFL records, but will never touch Brady's Owl records.

//Packers fan
///The call was correct
 
2021-01-26 3:56:33 PM  

mjbok: joepennerlives: duckpoopy: I am sicker of hearing about Mahomes and seeing his smug douche face everywhere.

I'm detecting a faint whiff of Raiders/Broncos fan here . . .

(Not the Chargers, because they have their own new hotshot QB now.)

I'm not a Chiefs guy, but I don't get how PM gets any hate.  Outside of the non-stop insurance commercials (and even in those he doesn't come off douchey like AA Ron does) he seems nothing but awesome.  He is a young, fun, better version of Favre.  If he stays healthy he could end up owning most of the NFL records, but will never touch Brady's Owl records.

//Packers fan
///The call was correct


You really can't blame him for all those insurance commercial bring aired all the time as that's State Farm paying money for them to be shown on TV as much as possible. In his other commercials, he pokes fun of himself and his throwing arm and comes off as goofy and likeable, plus he makes up for broken items and food lost due to errant passes.

He laughs and jokes about his love of ketchup and his Muppet-like voice. Brady just seems to come off as too serious or too superior in his own worth at times.

On the field, win or lose, Mahomes is having fun and he is respectful of everyone. He shakes hands, says nice things to opposing players, and is an all-around nice guy. Brady has been seen pouting, whining, and acting like a poor sport when he loses.

I think that Mahomes can win many more AFC Championship games and Super Bowls if he keeps healthy and the Chiefs keep up with retaining talented players. He seems like a QB who will adapt his style of play based upon his own abilities and strengths as time progresses.
 
2021-01-26 4:19:35 PM  

mjbok: Nana's Vibrator: Can Kurt Warner?
Can Peyton Manning?
Can Donovan McNabb?
Can Ben Roethlisberger?
Can Drew Brees?
Can Eli Manning?
Can Aaron Rodgers?
Can Russell Wilson?
Sound familiar?

One of these things just doesn't belong.  One of these things aint like the others.

//Possibly two


Can I play?
I'll go with Donovan McNabb and Eli Manning (because they weren't really that good despite winning).
 
2021-01-26 4:25:46 PM  
I hate the audacity of Mahomes even trying to joke about having better hair than Troy Polamalu.
 
2021-01-26 4:36:20 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Thanks, Green Bay.  Now we get two weeks of these stupid farking articles about Brady.


On the bight side, it saved us from getting absolutely blasted with State Farm ads.
 
2021-01-26 5:32:10 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: Can I play?
I'll go with Donovan McNabb and Eli Manning (because they weren't really that good despite winning).


You got it right.  Eli was barely a career 500 quarterback.   125-121.    NcNabb wib a lot more, just never the big one.  Rivers was a better QB, probably than both.
 
2021-01-26 5:51:36 PM  
Yes, unless he starts losing pieces like, you know, having the fastest WR in the league by far, and, arguably, the best TE
 
2021-01-26 6:08:19 PM  

bass555: Yes, unless he starts losing pieces like, you know, having the fastest WR in the league by far, and, arguably, the best TE


Hill and Kelce are going to be difficult to replace.

Kelce has a crazy combination of size, strength, speed, and athleticism. He can blow past you with speed and agile footwork and spin moves, muscle through you with his size, or leap in the air to grab passes. And he'll throw down blocks to get other players open.

Hill is...yeah. Definitely earned the nickname of Cheetah with his speed and athleticism. His level of quickness and his endurance will suck the life out of anyone trying to cover him on a route. And if you can keep up with him, he steps it up and gets faster or pulls out a move that leaves you I'm the dust.

Chiefs have a number of quick players on their roster like Hardman, Watkins, Edwards-Helaire, and others, but they don't have the same skills that make Kelce and Hill so reliable and so damn good.
 
2021-01-26 7:59:57 PM  

Gulper Eel: Does he get four games a year against clownshoes opponents, plus two more against the Jets who can barely get off the team bus without falling face first into a puddle of their own drool?


Not this shiat again:

https://patriotsdynasty.info/blog/201​9​/01-02/myth-easy-afc-east-definitive-g​uide

DivisionW - L - TWin Percentage
AFC South 41 - 120 .774
NFC South 17 - 50 .773
NFC East 18 - 60 .750
AFC East 92 - 310 .748
AFC North 35 - 120 .745
NFC North 17 - 60 .739
NFC West 15 - 60 .714
AFC West 34 - 180 .654
 
2021-01-27 8:44:20 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Simple answer? Yes. But it will require three things.

First, he has to play long enough without significant injury at a high level. That depends a lot on the next two things.

Second, he has to fight the his own ego, the NFLPA, his agents, his family, and everybody else with an interest in his contract and offer a hometown discount. Without that his team won't be able to consistently protect him and give him weapons to keep winning.

Third, management has to make good decisions in drafting, re-signing, and free agent market, and the coaches have to properly coach them up.

For better or worse, Tom Brady and the Patriots showed how to do it. Follow that model and it's possible, however unlikely.


I think the biggest challenge the Chiefs will face is an inevitable coaching change. I can't see Any Reid lasting long enough to coach for 15-20 more years. He is 10 years younger than Belichick but still I worry about his health.  I know nothing about the Chiefs owners except that the team has been in the family forever, so that'll probably work in their favor. The one unfix-able problem that a football franchise can have is bad ownership. That's a dynasty killer, just ask Cowboys fans.
 
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