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(KRTV Great Falls)   Man sentenced for chaining Ten Commandments monument to his truck, dragging it off courthouse lawn, violating Number 8   (krtv.com) divider line
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2021-01-25 5:08:07 PM  
And it's a good thing he didn't work up a Number 6 on anyone.
 
2021-01-25 5:13:58 PM  
Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.
 
2021-01-25 5:21:59 PM  

Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.


I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.
 
2021-01-25 5:24:31 PM  
And if he had just started a small riot/insurrection at the US Capitol, the GOP would be calling for him to be cleared of all wrongdoing.
 
2021-01-25 5:25:50 PM  

toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.


The people - like Qturds, who scream about their religion the loudest are the most willing people to ignore what it says when it's inconvenient - or just make up whatever they want their religion to say as they go along.
 
2021-01-25 5:26:47 PM  
We don't need a monument -- we can easily summarize the tend commandments and, in fact, all Christian teachings into four words: "Don't Be a Dick."
 
2021-01-25 5:27:37 PM  

UberDave: And it's a good thing he didn't work up a Number 6 on anyone.


For the uninitiated...

Blazing Saddles - The ol' Number 6
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2021-01-25 5:28:03 PM  

toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.


Personally, I try to do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because I'll be given an eternity of lollies if I do, or spankings if I don't.
But I guess some people can't be altruistic about it.
 
2021-01-25 5:28:49 PM  
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2021-01-25 5:29:35 PM  
There's no commandment against vandalism. So clearly, they can't put him on trial.
 
2021-01-25 5:32:22 PM  
I'd say he's enforcing the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
 
2021-01-25 5:34:59 PM  

toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.


It's mass idiocy, not mass lying.  Or rather, a few are lying, and the rest are brainless zombies.  I always wondered how people could have followed Jim Jones to South America, how they could have accepted the idea that the CIA had arrived to kill them all so it was time for suicide.  Or how the Heaven's Gate people would willingly castrate themselves.  But because of QAnon, I no longer wonder.  Many Americans are just unthinking morons.
 
2021-01-25 5:35:15 PM  
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2021-01-25 5:42:29 PM  

Dave2042: toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.

Personally, I try to do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because I'll be given an eternity of lollies if I do, or spankings if I don't.
But I guess some people can't be altruistic about it.


Or the altruism is part of worshipping one's God, but that's less easy to be condescending about.. also, that old saw: "Dog bites man isn't newsworthy; man bites dog is."
 
2021-01-25 5:44:51 PM  
Was this the guy you was upset the 10 Commandments weren't IN the courthouse or am I remembering a different guy?
 
2021-01-25 5:47:47 PM  
Damaging movie paraphernalia is a serious crime.   That monument to the gullibility of a state legislature in promoting a movie needs to be there forever, with the story about how easy it is to troll politicians.

There is this monument, created to get around a zoning ordinance that disallowed giant US Flags from flying, distracting from the natural beauty.  Some real estate developer got his giant flag landmark to lure suckers into buying land with this ruse.


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2021-01-25 5:48:08 PM  

toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.


Yeah but if when you and I meet for dinner tonight (you'd better be on time), and you wear a skimpy little nothing that doesn't flatter your hinder and I still say "you look good", that's bearing false witness but it's not illegal.

Neither is killing or stealing, under the right circumstances.
 
2021-01-25 5:55:55 PM  

toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.


We don't know if God is a Calvinist or not. Is false witness subjective or objective.

What I am saving is it a sin to be born stupid?
 
2021-01-25 5:58:31 PM  
I talked to him on Twitter. He started commenting on a thread describing the incident. Guy was weird AF, kept on free associating and slipping into pseudo bible verses.  There's really no concrete way to prove it was him, but I really think that it was... this guy has some serious mental hygiene issues.
 
2021-01-25 5:58:50 PM  

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Just watched a documentary about this on Netflix, crazy stuff. Talk about being committed to your cause!
 
2021-01-25 6:03:18 PM  
While i'll agree a ten commandment monument has no place at a courthouse there is a better way top get it removed.   Though i'll also admit his way is usually the fastest if temporary method.
 
2021-01-25 6:07:54 PM  

Corneille: We don't need a monument -- we can easily summarize the tend commandments and, in fact, all Christian teachings into four words: "Don't Be a Dick."


Once there was a gentile who came before Shammai, and said to him: "Convert me on the condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Shammai pushed him aside with the measuring stick he was holding. The same fellow came before Hillel, and Hillel converted him, saying: That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it."
 
2021-01-25 6:08:46 PM  
If they are in order he removed #3 "No graven images or likenesses". Which would have merited and IRONIC tag

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2021-01-25 6:09:08 PM  
If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.
 
2021-01-25 6:10:38 PM  
Maybe he's just protecting people who are granite-intolerant.
 
2021-01-25 6:28:19 PM  
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2021-01-25 6:40:14 PM  

Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.


They actually have a LOT to do with our laws.  Whether you agree with the Invisible Sky God aspect that they premise, the fact is that much of Western Society, which is what the United States grew out of, was premised.  They underpin and form us.  As do other things.

Even many of the Founding Fathers who specifically rejected the concept of Christianity as a governing philosophy or a matter of religious belief, revered the 10 Commandments (and much of the Bible in general).

As one example, in a letter to Madison, Jefferson wrote that Christianity was the most evil system ever designed to enslave man.  YET, the Bible and it's teachings was the most perfect expression and system of laws for teaching mankind morality.

In his response, Madison said he couldn't agree with Jefferson's claim that it was the most evil system.  But that was only because he hadn't studied EVERY religion.  But he agreed with the assessment that the teachings of Jesus were the most perfectly suited upon which to base a society.

And these were the people largely response for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution respectively.

So attempting to say the 10 Commandments have nothing to do with our laws is disingenuous at best.

There was a challenge several years ago to the Supreme Court in Washington.  The Supreme Court in D.C. has a statute of Moses as one of the great law givers.  The court noted that the panels and statutes in the Supreme Court and other buildings around D.C. honored the sources of our laws and did not automatically establish a religion.

I would also note that it has a statute of Confucious as well.

So disabuse yourself of the idea that the 10 Commandments "have nothing to do with our laws anyway."  You'd be wrong.
 
2021-01-25 6:42:13 PM  

Corneille: We don't need a monument -- we can easily summarize the tend commandments and, in fact, all Christian teachings into four words: "Don't Be a Dick."


If that was the case Christians wouldn't be putting the ten commandments on public property.

Of all the religious displays that pop up on public property ten commandments in front of courthouses are the ones that make me the angriest.  I'd be fine with 'thou shalt not steal' or 'thou shalt not murder' and I actually kind of think 'thou shalt not bear false witness' would be appropriate.  

Coveting, well, the rules against stealing and adultery kind of are more important (and although I dislike adulterers in general I don't think that should be something for the divorce attorneys.)  I'll honor my mother and father based on their actions.  I've seen some pretty horrible things done by parents who want to be honored.  No thank you.

And 1-3 or flat out offensive to anyone who doesn't believe the same way and 4 is kind of pointless.  Fine, we all get a day off.

I don't think this is the way to deal with it though, although I'd argue that now it's off the court lawn it should stay off the court lawn because putting it back would be a further endorsement of the prejudice it embodies.
 
2021-01-25 6:49:59 PM  

Jacobite_55: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

They actually have a LOT to do with our laws.  Whether you agree with the Invisible Sky God aspect that they premise, the fact is that much of Western Society, which is what the United States grew out of, was premised.  They underpin and form us.  As do other things.

Even many of the Founding Fathers who specifically rejected the concept of Christianity as a governing philosophy or a matter of religious belief, revered the 10 Commandments (and much of the Bible in general).

As one example, in a letter to Madison, Jefferson wrote that Christianity was the most evil system ever designed to enslave man.  YET, the Bible and it's teachings was the most perfect expression and system of laws for teaching mankind morality.

In his response, Madison said he couldn't agree with Jefferson's claim that it was the most evil system.  But that was only because he hadn't studied EVERY religion.  But he agreed with the assessment that the teachings of Jesus were the most perfectly suited upon which to base a society.

And these were the people largely response for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution respectively.

So attempting to say the 10 Commandments have nothing to do with our laws is disingenuous at best.

There was a challenge several years ago to the Supreme Court in Washington.  The Supreme Court in D.C. has a statute of Moses as one of the great law givers.  The court noted that the panels and statutes in the Supreme Court and other buildings around D.C. honored the sources of our laws and did not automatically establish a religion.

I would also note that it has a statute of Confucious as well.

So disabuse yourself of the idea that the 10 Commandments "have nothing to do with our laws anyway."  You'd be wrong.


That whole diatribe was, as you put it, disingenuous.  The point you are purposely ignoring is, religious monuments should not be on government grounds, especially where people of all religious denominations (or lack thereof) are supposed to get a fair trial.  What those religious monuments represent is irrelevant.
 
2021-01-25 6:59:51 PM  

Watubi: Jacobite_55: Mugato:
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That whole diatribe was, as you put it, disingenuous.  The point you are purposely ignoring is, religious monuments should not be on government grounds, especially where people of all religious denominations (or lack thereof) are supposed to get a fair trial.  What those religious monuments represent is irrelevant."

Not purposefully ignoring anything my friend.  The gentleman's comment was that the 10 Commandments had nothing to do with our laws.  That is... in fact... wrong.  The 10 Commandments are part of what the entirety of Western Society (including us) is based on.

But expanding that out, the fact that the source of a law is religious, doesn't make the recitation of that law religious.

So no ignoring any arguments going on.  But thanks for playing.
 
2021-01-25 7:01:58 PM  

bighairyguy: If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.


The complication is that a public courthouse, by definition, belongs to all of us.
 
2021-01-25 7:07:06 PM  
It always amused me that Christians are so into the Ten Commandments and yet violate the first two by virtue of their Christian beliefs.
 
2021-01-25 7:13:25 PM  

LOLITROLU: bighairyguy: If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.

The complication is that a public courthouse, by definition, belongs to all of us.


I want it next week then.
 
2021-01-25 7:16:15 PM  
Good, someone needs to collect the rest of them and toos them in a lake.

Keep your medieval bullshiat in church.
 
2021-01-25 7:16:21 PM  
I doubt they were using them anyway.
 
2021-01-25 7:28:34 PM  

Jacobite_55: So disabuse yourself of the idea that the 10 Commandments "have nothing to do with our laws anyway." You'd be wrong.


Ok, let's go through them.

You shall have no other Gods but me.

That can't possibly have anything to do with our laws. It does make God sound kind of insecure.

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

Again, not a law.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God

That will get your movie a PG-13 instead of a PG but otherwise, the First Amendment is kind of the opposite of this one.

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy

Well we don't get mail on Sunday and the banks are closed so I'll give you half a point for that even though the Sabbath is supposed to be Saturday, not Sunday.

Respect your father and mother

Respect has to be earned and there are some farked up parent out there. Not a law.

You must not commit murder

Ok, this one is dicey. We bomb the shiat out of people in other countries and strap convicted criminals to a chair and execute them medieval style (if they had electricity and advanced poisons in medieval times). But there are laws against murdering people when it's not government sanctioned. Half a point.

You must not commit adultery

This will leave you open to civil suits but not a law.

You must not steal

Ok, I'll give you this one, even though as I said before, we could have figured that out ourselves. Full point.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbor

You could get into trouble if you swear on the Bible and lie but simply lying isn't against the law.

You must not be envious of your neighbor's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Being envious and trying to take your neighbor's shiat is what our entire economy is based on.

So rack up the points and decide for yourself.
 
2021-01-25 7:28:55 PM  

Corneille: We don't need a monument -- we can easily summarize the tend commandments and, in fact, all Christian teachings into four words: "Don't Be a Dick."


Except that isn't true at all.

Depending on the source there is a ton of things that don't fall under that category. No other Gods before me, keep the sabbath, don't take the lord's name in vain... And that's just in the 10 commandments.

If I want to work on Sunday, that's my business. I'm not being a dick to anyone
 
2021-01-25 7:29:13 PM  

Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.


Murder, generally speaking, isn't a federal crime
 
2021-01-25 7:38:09 PM  

toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.


Wow, only three comments before President Trump occupying your pathetic little brain rent free caused you to vomit that meaningless diatribe.  That's impressive.
 
2021-01-25 7:43:56 PM  

Mugato: Jacobite_55: So disabuse yourself of the idea that the 10 Commandments "have nothing to do with our laws anyway." You'd be wrong.

Ok, let's go through them.

You shall have no other Gods but me.

That can't possibly have anything to do with our laws. It does make God sound kind of insecure.

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

Again, not a law.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God

That will get your movie a PG-13 instead of a PG but otherwise, the First Amendment is kind of the opposite of this one.

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy

Well we don't get mail on Sunday and the banks are closed so I'll give you half a point for that even though the Sabbath is supposed to be Saturday, not Sunday.

Respect your father and mother

Respect has to be earned and there are some farked up parent out there. Not a law.

You must not commit murder

Ok, this one is dicey. We bomb the shiat out of people in other countries and strap convicted criminals to a chair and execute them medieval style (if they had electricity and advanced poisons in medieval times). But there are laws against murdering people when it's not government sanctioned. Half a point.

You must not commit adultery

This will leave you open to civil suits but not a law.

You must not steal

Ok, I'll give you this one, even though as I said before, we could have figured that out ourselves. Full point.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbor

You could get into trouble if you swear on the Bible and lie but simply lying isn't against the law.

You must not be envious of your neighbor's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Being envious and trying to take your neighbor's shiat is what our entire economy is based on.

So rack up the points and decide for yourself.


Lying to your mom about your report card isn't illegal.

Misrepresentation, fraud, scams, false advertising, stolen valor, lying to a court however is against the law. However equally the law is applied is a debate. But lying is illegal when the law is around.
 
2021-01-25 7:46:56 PM  

jamspoon: If they are in order he removed #3 "No graven images or likenesses". Which would have merited and IRONIC tag

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The 10 Commandments aren't a "graven image", they're text. By your "definition", simply  writing them down would violate the 10 commandments. Maybe you should carry around a dictionary, it might help with embarrassing moments like this.
 
2021-01-25 7:48:14 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Misrepresentation, fraud, scams, false advertising, stolen valor, lying to a court however is against the law. However equally the law is applied is a debate. But lying is illegal when the law is around.


Yeah but that;s not really what the Commandment says. Simply lying no matter what the circumstance isn't against the law. The things you describe fall more under Thou Shall Not Steal. Fine, Half a point.
 
2021-01-25 7:51:51 PM  

Mugato: AppleOptionEsc: Misrepresentation, fraud, scams, false advertising, stolen valor, lying to a court however is against the law. However equally the law is applied is a debate. But lying is illegal when the law is around.

Yeah but that;s not really what the Commandment says. Simply lying no matter what the circumstance isn't against the law. The things you describe fall more under Thou Shall Not Steal. Fine, Half a point.


I don't know enough about entomology or words and translations of ancient Hebrew or aramaic to old English to modern day English, but unless you have God in front of you, a witness is a term we use in a court of law. Bearing false witness is lying in a court/tribunal/trial, etc.
 
2021-01-25 7:52:58 PM  

LOLITROLU: bighairyguy: If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.

The complication is that a public courthouse, by definition, belongs to all of us.


Too bad the piece of property that this guy attempted to steal doesn't belong to him, though. Theft is theft.
 
2021-01-25 7:56:03 PM  

Mikey1969: LOLITROLU: bighairyguy: If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.

The complication is that a public courthouse, by definition, belongs to all of us.

Too bad the piece of property that this guy attempted to steal doesn't belong to him, though. Theft is theft.


Shhhh.... don't tell him.  He's still trying to figure out why the FBI is trying to contact him about his trip to D.C. a couple of weeks ago.
 
2021-01-25 7:57:08 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: toraque: Mugato: Good for him. The Ten Commandments have nothing to do with our laws anyway, except for thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal and I think we could have figured those out ourselves. And even those are highly negotiable.

I dunno.  The whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor" would have been a good one for the Q idiots and Trumpers spewing the stupidest, most transparent lies to have followed.

We don't know if God is a Calvinist or not. Is false witness subjective or objective.

What I am saving is it a sin to be born stupid?


the real "original sin"
 
2021-01-25 7:59:19 PM  

bighairyguy: If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.


yeah, but then there would be no babies
 
2021-01-25 8:15:05 PM  
Its perspective and semantics.

You have a little gallery.  You start with theocratical laws, a history of societies that incorporated secular rules into divine enforcement, like 10 commandments, move down the line to more secular laws like code of humarabi amd continue forward showing the evolution of philosophy of law over time as cultures and concepts change.

It is just there by itself, then it is a sign of privilege of the past from the majority group in power at the time.  Update for my complete story and inclusitivity.
 
2021-01-25 8:36:06 PM  

Jacobite_55: Mikey1969: LOLITROLU: bighairyguy: If everyone would just leave other people's stuff alone, the world would be a better place.

The complication is that a public courthouse, by definition, belongs to all of us.

Too bad the piece of property that this guy attempted to steal doesn't belong to him, though. Theft is theft.

Shhhh.... don't tell him.  He's still trying to figure out why the FBI is trying to contact him about his trip to D.C. a couple of weeks ago.


LOL. Probably... Wouldn't put it past this guy.
 
2021-01-25 8:40:35 PM  

sitesmithscott: Its perspective and semantics.

You have a little gallery.  You start with theocratical laws, a history of societies that incorporated secular rules into divine enforcement, like 10 commandments, move down the line to more secular laws like code of humarabi amd continue forward showing the evolution of philosophy of law over time as cultures and concepts change.

It is just there by itself, then it is a sign of privilege of the past from the majority group in power at the time.  Update for my complete story and inclusitivity.


Yeah, religion started for two reasons:
1. People needed to know "where we came from". Religion fit the bill...

2. Leaders needed some kind of power player in their corner in order for their laws to have any effect. And this includes the world's best leaders, not just megalomaniacs.

It's grown to the mess that it is today due to a lot of manipulative, dishonest farks, but there is an actual reason that religion was needed in the early days of civilization.
 
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