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2021-01-25 1:53:57 PM  
A person subject to deportation because he did not renew his DACA application.  He did not renew his DACA application because he was afraid Trump would use the applications to target/deport people.

Looks like the guy played it smart to me.  He was hedging his bets based on either candidate becoming President.
 
2021-01-25 2:28:57 PM  
Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.
 
2021-01-25 2:37:39 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.


...a President feeling free to do whatever the fark they want is kind of symptomatic of the deeper problem.

The fact that ICE is a division of the Executive branch, however (as part of DHS, which is a Cabinet-level agency with a Senate-confirmed Director and everything; just as the GOP wanted it), means that Biden could tell them the new uniform is a chicken suit, and they could either cluck "how high?" or start shipping the ol' CV.

// I guess OSHA might object
// buncha pansies
 
2021-01-25 2:55:44 PM  
I did not watch the video linked in the tweet.

Is it about this guy?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local​/​possible-deportation-of-bronx-man-desp​ite-bidens-moratorium-sparks-confusion​/2846447/

"A 27-year-old Bronx man who has lived in the U.S. since he was 7 years old was set to be deported by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement as soon as Monday despite President Joe Biden's executive order which halts all deportations. "

Or is it about all deportations? Thanks.
 
2021-01-25 3:12:08 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.

...a President feeling free to do whatever the fark they want is kind of symptomatic of the deeper problem.

The fact that ICE is a division of the Executive branch, however (as part of DHS, which is a Cabinet-level agency with a Senate-confirmed Director and everything; just as the GOP wanted it), means that Biden could tell them the new uniform is a chicken suit, and they could either cluck "how high?" or start shipping the ol' CV.

// I guess OSHA might object
// buncha pansies


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2021-01-25 3:14:05 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.

...a President feeling free to do whatever the fark they want is kind of symptomatic of the deeper problem.

The fact that ICE is a division of the Executive branch, however (as part of DHS, which is a Cabinet-level agency with a Senate-confirmed Director and everything; just as the GOP wanted it), means that Biden could tell them the new uniform is a chicken suit, and they could either cluck "how high?" or start shipping the ol' CV.

// I guess OSHA might object
// buncha pansies


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2021-01-25 3:16:45 PM  

Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.

...a President feeling free to do whatever the fark they want is kind of symptomatic of the deeper problem.

The fact that ICE is a division of the Executive branch, however (as part of DHS, which is a Cabinet-level agency with a Senate-confirmed Director and everything; just as the GOP wanted it), means that Biden could tell them the new uniform is a chicken suit, and they could either cluck "how high?" or start shipping the ol' CV.

// I guess OSHA might object
// buncha pansies


How about settle down with the chicken stuff* and re-assign ICE to vaccinate people?

*Don't get me wrong, chicken stuff is cool.
 
2021-01-25 3:25:07 PM  
abolish ICE.
 
2021-01-25 3:27:03 PM  

Felgraf: abolish ICE.


This.
 
2021-01-25 3:27:37 PM  
Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?
 
2021-01-25 3:27:56 PM  

Felgraf: abolish ICE.


Get rid of it, yes.  And maybe DHS too.  These responses to 9/11 were a bit too much.

While you're at it, Joe, cut a bunch of shiat out of the Patriot Act.
 
2021-01-25 3:28:22 PM  
Disband ICE and Homeland Security entirely. They are jingoist nonsense made into bureaucracy.
 
2021-01-25 3:29:57 PM  
Uncle Joe should shoot the person who was insubordinate and ask if there are any more questions.

Seriously, a law enforcement agency that's insubordinate is unacceptable. How unacceptable? BLAM! Any more questions.
 
2021-01-25 3:30:33 PM  

Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?


I've never heard of such a thing.

To TFA, I read it but didn't watch the video. Did they go into the legalese of his actual order vs his public statement? That may explain why some deportations, like those orders already in effect, would go forward while people without Immigration Judge final orders of removal wouldn't?
 
2021-01-25 3:30:34 PM  
Question - Have any of Biden's Executive Orders addressed the border concentration camps and the stolen children therein? We can not forget about them just because T**** is gone.
 
2021-01-25 3:30:46 PM  

Felgraf: abolish ICE.


Whoa ,Whoa ,Whoa!
This is your problem. You are aliening Republicans and conservatives with your rhetoric.
That kind of talk can be pointed to, by people uninterested in doing the right thing, as a detriment to winning elections.
 
2021-01-25 3:31:02 PM  
Abolish ICE and CBP. Replace them with agencies focusing on being humane rather than just power-tripping dickwads with an excuse to harass anyone with an accent.
 
2021-01-25 3:31:16 PM  
ICE are fuxking gestapo, regardless of party in power.

Abolish ICE.
 
2021-01-25 3:31:49 PM  
I was right.

The coup is ongoing. And it is police agencies that are maintaining the coup's acivities.

You Farkers who kept disagreeing with me on the PolTab and called me names, I invite your apologies now. You may use words like "genius" and "prescient" and "quasi-omniscient". It's okay, I won't feel awkard, because I am too good-looking to be awkward.

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2021-01-25 3:32:07 PM  

Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?


Why should agreements made with a past president matter?  That president isn't president any more.  It's not like Biden should inherit them.
 
2021-01-25 3:33:23 PM  

Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?


Found it. Yep, Biden can only change federal immigration policy with the consent of border states, and Ken Paxton the felonious Attorney General of Texas has already announced that he is suing Biden over this.
 
2021-01-25 3:34:26 PM  

sinner4ever: Felgraf: abolish ICE.

Whoa ,Whoa ,Whoa!
This is your problem. You are aliening Republicans and conservatives with your rhetoric.
That kind of talk can be pointed to, by people uninterested in doing the right thing, as a detriment to winning elections.


It's a bad slogan. It doesn't make sense. We're just going to leave our borders completely unguarded now?

There, we got the bad-faith talking points out of the way.
 
2021-01-25 3:34:49 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.


Yeah f'them right wing a-holes. But wait until they use POC and BLM to further their aganda like we did. We are F'ed if they catch on to it.
 
2021-01-25 3:35:07 PM  
You forgot Biden's response subby: "Did I farking stutter?"
 
2021-01-25 3:35:36 PM  

Felgraf: abolish ICE.


Nah

Keep ICE around, just fire everyone who works in the field and all the high level administrators. and cut their budget to just support the existing back office staff, but move them do a 4 day workweek

/"Reform" sounds better to the Low Info Boomer rubes than "Abolish"
 
2021-01-25 3:36:00 PM  

austerity101: Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?

Why should agreements made with a past president matter?  That president isn't president any more.  It's not like Biden should inherit them.


Trump learned from trying to get rid of DACA among other Obama era policies that you have to follow procedures to undo stuff like that. Biden will probably eventually win, but it's going to be going to the courts for 18 months before that.
 
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2021-01-25 3:36:10 PM  

Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?


A last second policy by a former President that can be undone with the wave of a pen by the current President.

If it's not federal law, passed by Congress, but instead some Executive branch decree, than if Biden says it ain't worth the paper it's printed on than it ain't.
 
2021-01-25 3:37:19 PM  
ICE has absolutely no reason to exist. We already had an agency for every single task that ICE currently performs, and the entire agency was created for the sole purpose of making Bush the Lesser look like he was doing something after completely farking up both before and immediately after the September 11 attack. Right now, we have something like 17 distinct agencies all tasked with enforcing immigration, customs, borders, and ports of arrival. How anyone can even remotely pretend to be a small government Republican and support this massive waste, inefficiency, and duplication of effort is beyond me. And that's not even getting into the horrific human rights abuses that that much inefficiency allows to slip through the cracks.

Abolish the ICE. fark it, abolish DHS. Transfer resources back to the agencies that did those jobs before this shiat show of an agency was created, and let's get back to farking effective governance, because these roided up jack-ass rent-a-cops are not making us safer.
 
2021-01-25 3:37:45 PM  

VisualiseThis: You forgot Biden's response subby: "Did I farking stutter?"


Or:
"Newly unemployed jerk says what?"
 
2021-01-25 3:38:30 PM  

Grungehamster: Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?

Found it. Yep, Biden can only change federal immigration policy with the consent of border states, and Ken Paxton the felonious Attorney General of Texas has already announced that he is suing Biden over this.


Sounds unconstitutional.

At the same time, ICE, federal prosecutors, and immigration judges would still have to follow any executive orders first and foremost, and then the states would have to file for their injunctive relief.

So that SHOULD be unrelated to the issue at hand, afaict. Thanks for the link.
 
2021-01-25 3:39:20 PM  
I take it ICE does not accept the results of the last election?
 
2021-01-25 3:39:23 PM  

Felgraf: abolish ICE.



Can't say that I agree. You still need immigration and customs enforcement.  What you need to do is refocus the priorities.  Prioritize keeping out or deporting those who are truly undesirable such as gang members, drug dealers, violent criminals, etc...Also perhaps you need to separate immigration from customs.  While I do see why they were combined into one agency their missions are quite different.
 
2021-01-25 3:39:37 PM  

CNichols: Question - Have any of Biden's Executive Orders addressed the border concentration camps and the stolen children therein? We can not forget about them just because T**** is gone.


That's probably going to take some extra coordination and effort. I can see an EO resulting in ICE dumping all the kids on Congress' doorstep and saying "here's who we had left over after about 500 of them got picked up by their Uncle Tickles."
 
2021-01-25 3:40:10 PM  
Schumer needs to get off his ass, stop farking around, kill the filibuster, pass the organizing resolution and put Biden's cabinet in place, TODAY
 
2021-01-25 3:40:10 PM  

Epoch_Zero: ICE are fuxking gestapo, regardless of party in power.

Abolish ICE.


I try not to hew too closely to the "ACAB" thing, and I try to recognize that there are people who join police forces out of a desire to really help people and serve the community.  Not nearly as many as there should be, and even the "good cops" don't do enough to help get rid of the "bad apples", but they're there.

I do not extend this courtesy to ICE, however.  Anyone who would join that bunch of brownshirts is a horrible person.  You are part of an organization that does not need to exist and serves no good purpose.

I suppose you could say, "But what about violent illegal immigrants (sic)?"  Those can be handled by state and local police, and organizations like the FBI or DEA.  ICE doesn't go against the cartels.  They pick on people working hard and trying to make a living.

Chinga La Migra.
 
2021-01-25 3:40:49 PM  

LordJiro: Abolish ICE and CBP. Replace them with agencies focusing on being humane rather than just power-tripping dickwads with an excuse to harass anyone with an accent.


ICE is newfangled radical commie bullshiat anyhow, it's only been a thing since like 2003.

Traditionally, immigration was always (and did, for most of the history of the US having an immigration-handling department) fall wholly under the department of labor.  The military was never supposed to have anything to do with it, and in fact as interpreted by the founding fathers the military is expressly forbidden to have anything to do with internal concerns like immigration under penalty of locking everyone involved up and throwing away the key forever.

// ICE is under DHS, which is a military branch of the executive, for the non-Americans reading this... or just the civics-ignorant Americans who are unclear on why basically every single part of our government and nation has gone to shiat since the early 2000s.  It wasn't just this stupid change-- in general, we've actually been under an outright by-definition fascist government for the last 20 years according to how our government is organized, not just the last four.
 
2021-01-25 3:42:06 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: sinner4ever: Felgraf: abolish ICE.

Whoa ,Whoa ,Whoa!
This is your problem. You are aliening Republicans and conservatives with your rhetoric.
That kind of talk can be pointed to, by people uninterested in doing the right thing, as a detriment to winning elections.

It's a bad slogan. It doesn't make sense. We're just going to leave our borders completely unguarded now?

There, we got the bad-faith talking points out of the way.


Being disingenuously thick about this doesn't make your position any stronger, on this or other matters. "Defund the Police" is a bad slogan because the Police ARE essentially the organization that should be the front line of engagement with the kinds of normal problems normal people face, even if they need to go about it in a completely different manner. The police are the only law enforcement agency most people will ever meet, and it's hard to think of a world without police for most people.

ICE is completely different. They aren't the default immigration agency. They aren't an agency most people ever interact with. And there already exist several alternatives to the ICE that do the job just fine. People aren't as bought in to ICE.

Saying that "Abolish the ICE" and "Defund the Police" are identical is wrong in just about every possible way, and trying to hijack this to make your point about an unrelated topic isn't helping anyone except your own sense of privileged self-righteousness.
 
2021-01-25 3:42:14 PM  
Make them comply then get DHS to stop gassing Portlanders every night.
 
2021-01-25 3:43:11 PM  

runwiz: Felgraf: abolish ICE.


Can't say that I agree. You still need immigration and customs enforcement.  What you need to do is refocus the priorities.  Prioritize keeping out or deporting those who are truly undesirable such as gang members, drug dealers, violent criminals, etc...Also perhaps you need to separate immigration from customs.  While I do see why they were combined into one agency their missions are quite different.


So what you're saying is that you know that we can abolish ICE and still perform the basic functions of protecting our borders, because we did it before ICE even existed, yet you're against abolishing ICE.

That makes sense to you...why?
 
2021-01-25 3:43:12 PM  

downstairs: Dr Dreidel: AdmirableSnackbar: Make an example out of these ICEholes, Joe. Make it quick and harsh to show them you're in control otherwise right wing assholes in government will just continue doing whatever the fark they want to do.

...a President feeling free to do whatever the fark they want is kind of symptomatic of the deeper problem.

The fact that ICE is a division of the Executive branch, however (as part of DHS, which is a Cabinet-level agency with a Senate-confirmed Director and everything; just as the GOP wanted it), means that Biden could tell them the new uniform is a chicken suit, and they could either cluck "how high?" or start shipping the ol' CV.

// I guess OSHA might object
// buncha pansies

How about settle down with the chicken stuff* and re-assign ICE to vaccinate people?

*Don't get me wrong, chicken stuff is cool.


The Exterminator would disagree with you.
 
2021-01-25 3:43:58 PM  

runwiz: Felgraf: abolish ICE.


Can't say that I agree. You still need immigration and customs enforcement.  What you need to do is refocus the priorities.  Prioritize keeping out or deporting those who are truly undesirable such as gang members, drug dealers, violent criminals, etc...Also perhaps you need to separate immigration from customs.  While I do see why they were combined into one agency their missions are quite different.


There are dogs alive today that are older than ICE. Not many, but some.

Because ICE didn't exist until 2003

Were you under the impression that we had no immigrations and customs enforcement before then?
 
2021-01-25 3:45:03 PM  

moothemagiccow: Schumer needs to get off his ass, stop farking around, kill the filibuster, pass the organizing resolution and put Biden's cabinet in place, TODAY


There are three Democratic Senators at a hard no on killing the filibuster, and that is with McConnell already filibustering to keep Democrats from getting any Senate chairmanships (he says he will not filibuster as long as Democrats agree to make it illegal to remove the filibuster in this Congress.)

Schumer doesn't have the votes.
 
2021-01-25 3:45:05 PM  
ICE hates Santa Claus
 
2021-01-25 3:45:32 PM  

runwiz: Felgraf: abolish ICE.


Can't say that I agree. You still need immigration and customs enforcement.  What you need to do is refocus the priorities.  Prioritize keeping out or deporting those who are truly undesirable such as gang members, drug dealers, violent criminals, etc...Also perhaps you need to separate immigration from customs. While I do see why they were combined into one agency their missions are quite different.


Congrats, you're pro-abolish. Anyone who convinced you "the libs want to throw open the borders!" was absolutely lying.
 
2021-01-25 3:46:02 PM  

Grungehamster: Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?

Found it. Yep, Biden can only change federal immigration policy with the consent of border states, and Ken Paxton the felonious Attorney General of Texas has already announced that he is suing Biden over this.


Something tells me that agreement has no legal merit.  Doubly so since Chad Wolf had no legal authority to make it since he was serving illegally.
 
2021-01-25 3:47:44 PM  

Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?


That agreement became void when Trump left office.
 
2021-01-25 3:49:00 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Grungehamster: Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?

Found it. Yep, Biden can only change federal immigration policy with the consent of border states, and Ken Paxton the felonious Attorney General of Texas has already announced that he is suing Biden over this.

Something tells me that agreement has no legal merit.  Doubly so since Chad Wolf had no legal authority to make it since he was serving illegally.


Chad Wolf AND Ken Cuccinelli are involved in this little fustercluck but it is going to require the courts to get involved to reverse it I suspect.
 
2021-01-25 3:49:42 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Disband ICE and Homeland Security entirely. They are jingoist nonsense made into bureaucracy.


They will never go away. They have become make-work programs like much of the military.
 
2021-01-25 3:51:06 PM  

Grungehamster: austerity101: Grungehamster: Didn't Trump make a last second agreement with Texas that all policy changes at DHS/ICE must be approved by Texas first, and that is going to gum up any policies Biden tries to put into place?

Why should agreements made with a past president matter?  That president isn't president any more.  It's not like Biden should inherit them.

Trump learned from trying to get rid of DACA among other Obama era policies that you have to follow procedures to undo stuff like that. Biden will probably eventually win, but it's going to be going to the courts for 18 months before that.


There has to be a legitimate reason for changing it, yes, but Trump being too stupid to know that doesn't mean Biden will be similarly handicapped.  That immigration law is explicitly the realm of the federal executive makes any agreement with the states over how to implement immigration policy isn't worth the paper it is printed on.
 
2021-01-25 3:51:12 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Disband ICE and Homeland Security entirely. They are jingoist nonsense made into bureaucracy.


Yeah, not only is ICE a rotten organization, they don't need to exist at all.  If a deportation needs to happen for whatever reason, CBP should handle it.

As for the Department of Homeland Security, well, it's as near a dystopian name as one could have chosen.  I think its integrative concept was a good one, but the end result hasn't been so...umm... streamlined as it initially sounded.
 
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