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2021-01-25 3:35:00 PM  
Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.
 
2021-01-25 5:40:01 PM  
"Con Air 2 : Special Forces Boogaloo"
 
2021-01-25 5:40:54 PM  
He'll get out and still be young, angry and trained well enough to go on a random killing spree "prank."
 
2021-01-25 5:41:30 PM  
Shame Trump will just pardon him OH WAIT
 
2021-01-25 5:43:30 PM  

rickythepenguin: Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.


Yes, he did get busted to the lowest enlisted grade of E-1 and, with no Trump around to order the reviewing authority to overturn the conviction and sentence (and Trump would have tried to do that) or give him a pardon before the reviewing authority can even get around to reviewing the case (which would have been Trump's backup once his lawyers informed him that his trying to use command influence to overturn the results of a court-martial would get thrown out by the Supreme Court), this guy gets to spend 10 years at the Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth as an unpaid E-1 before he gets his BCD and his DD-214 telling him he doesn't get VA benefits.
 
2021-01-25 5:43:44 PM  
FTA : "I wish people could see what the jury had access to review," Stackhouse said. "On multiple occasions, his actions and heroism and that of three or four other guys with him are going to have a lasting impact on our country. And nobody is going to know what he did."


"But you choke just ONE Green Beret to death..."
 
2021-01-25 5:44:14 PM  
Stackhouse also expressed concerns about the length of the jury's deliberations, which he believes were not long enough to reasonably take a full measure of DeDolph's accomplishments as a SEAL and as a person.

Sorry, but if you kill a fellow servicemember of the United States Military during the commission of a crime that was carried out specifically intended to hurt and humiliate them, none of that really matters anymore.
 
2021-01-25 5:45:04 PM  
i really don't like how they think a guy really good at his job should somehow get special consideration when discussing a murder

I dont care if he was heroic on the battlefield or helped "keep america safe" You plotted and killed a fellow soldier because you thought he was a dick

10 years isnt long enough
 
2021-01-25 5:45:17 PM  
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2021-01-25 5:48:05 PM  
Well, this pisses me off:

"I wish people could see what the jury had access to review," Stackhouse said. "On multiple occasions, his actions and heroism and that of three or four other guys with him are going to have a lasting impact on our country. And nobody is going to know what he did."

You can almost hear the lawyer say, "...but you strangle just one Green Beret to death as revenge for a perceived slight, and the jury gets all 'he committed murder' up in here..."
 
2021-01-25 5:49:25 PM  

rickythepenguin: Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.


Reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years confinement, and Dishonorable Discharge -- seems pretty normal for fratricide, although the 10-year trip to Leavenworth's gravel factory seems a bit lenient for that crime. He probably won't have much in the way of career prospects once he gets out, as most reputable companies are not keen to hire convicted murderers.

Although he could make tens or even twenties of dollars a year panhandling with a "homeless vet" sign, starting in the mid 2030s. People go give pocket change to beggars generally don't run background checks on those beggars beforehand.
 
2021-01-25 5:53:05 PM  

FormlessOne: Well, this pisses me off:

"I wish people could see what the jury had access to review," Stackhouse said. "On multiple occasions, his actions and heroism and that of three or four other guys with him are going to have a lasting impact on our country. And nobody is going to know what he did."

You can almost hear the lawyer say, "...but you strangle just one Green Beret to death as revenge for a perceived slight, and the jury gets all 'he committed murder' up in here..."


And that is all the jury was there to hear. They weren't there to hear about everything else he did or may have done before this incident, they were there to hear about what he did or may have done during the incident in question and to determine if he was guilty of the offense he was put on trial for or any lesser included offenses he may have committed during this incident.
 
2021-01-25 5:53:18 PM  

kindms: i really don't like how they think a guy really good at his job should somehow get special consideration when discussing a murder

I dont care if he was heroic on the battlefield or helped "keep america safe" You plotted and killed a fellow soldier because you thought he was a dick

10 years isnt long enough


I agree.  There was a saying when I was in, "One 'Oh, shiat!' wipes out ten 'attaboys'.".

Murder is a pretty big "Oh, shiat!".
 
2021-01-25 5:58:23 PM  

kindms: i really don't like how they think a guy really good at his job should somehow get special consideration when discussing a murder

I dont care if he was heroic on the battlefield or helped "keep america safe" You plotted and killed a fellow soldier because you thought he was a dick

10 years isnt long enough


Well, it not being a murder certainly plays a role there.

"Mr. Rogers was a great guy until he murdered someone else" is very different from "Mr. Rogers was a great guy until he committed manslaughter".

Don't take that as me being ok with anything he did in killing the green beret. But I doubt he intended him to die, and that does make a big difference.
 
2021-01-25 5:58:54 PM  
Can't wait to see if the Army/Navy game will be worth a damn to watch this year.
 
2021-01-25 6:01:57 PM  
I suppose It's morbidly gratifying to know that about the only thing that CAN kill a Green Beret is a Navy SEAL, and only then when he gets the drop on him.
 
2021-01-25 6:07:00 PM  
Former Marine & hobbysailor here.

Hazing sucks, it's never gonna go away but it did get better while I was in.  Some of the stuff we'd do to each other were more like day-to-day pranks instead of hazing but getting duct taped to an aircraft drop tank is still getting duct taped to an aircraft drop tank.
Choke-choke games are stupid and if you're a SEAL you should know better. I saw a couple Lance potatoes playing it years and years ago and once Gunny caught them I don't think they slept for the next 72 hours.  They taught all of us in the Marines the whole blood choke routine and it's crazy how fast you can drop someone with one.
Seconds
just seconds.
I don't care if you're Betty White or Original if someone gets a proper blood choke on you there is time for maybe one good attempt to free yourself before you're asleep (but it's most likely not gonna work).  In my you experience wake back up as soon as pressure is removed but we also held the choke for less than 20 seconds. Not sure how a bunch of bad ass special forces pukes forgot that part.
 
2021-01-25 6:07:01 PM  
DeDolph had placed Army Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar into a martial-arts-style chokehold to try to make him temporarily lose consciousness during what the SEAL said was a prank. Melgar died of strangulation.

That just shows that SEALs are badasses and Army guys are wusses. Hey, did he mention that he was a SEAL? Because if a SEAL hasn't gotten around to telling you he's a SEAL yet that's because he's thinking about how to kill you.
 
2021-01-25 6:12:32 PM  
The Special Forces picnic and volleyball tournament got awkward the year they mandated participants must keep their shirts on.
 
2021-01-25 6:12:35 PM  

omg bbq: Former Marine & hobbysailor here.

Hazing sucks, it's never gonna go away but it did get better while I was in.  Some of the stuff we'd do to each other were more like day-to-day pranks instead of hazing but getting duct taped to an aircraft drop tank is still getting duct taped to an aircraft drop tank.
Choke-choke games are stupid and if you're a SEAL you should know better. I saw a couple Lance potatoes playing it years and years ago and once Gunny caught them I don't think they slept for the next 72 hours.  They taught all of us in the Marines the whole blood choke routine and it's crazy how fast you can drop someone with one.
Seconds
just seconds.
I don't care if you're Betty White or Original if someone gets a proper blood choke on you there is time for maybe one good attempt to free yourself before you're asleep (but it's most likely not gonna work).  In my you experience wake back up as soon as pressure is removed but we also held the choke for less than 20 seconds. Not sure how a bunch of bad ass special forces pukes forgot that part.


Iirc, there was a whole 'nother layer of bad blood underneath the incident, so he likely didn't "forget".

There's a reason he pled guilty to manslaughter, and it wasn't because he felt remorse, imho.
 
2021-01-25 6:13:33 PM  
this year's Special Forces picnic and volleyball tournament

It's called the SWAT World Challenge, where special forces like GSG9 go toe to toe with local police teams, SWAT teams, and private security forces in a tactical competition.

A bunch of Canadians who guard the world's largest nuclear power plant are in 4th place.  The guys whose job is to move nuclear weapons around the US are in second place.  But in first place?  Ocean Country, New Jersey PD.
 
2021-01-25 6:18:44 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: He'll get out and still be young, angry and trained well enough to go on a random killing spree "prank."


Don't worry, after March 6th trump will just pardon him.
 
2021-01-25 6:20:01 PM  

PunGent: omg bbq: Former Marine & hobbysailor here.

Hazing sucks, it's never gonna go away but it did get better while I was in.  Some of the stuff we'd do to each other were more like day-to-day pranks instead of hazing but getting duct taped to an aircraft drop tank is still getting duct taped to an aircraft drop tank.
Choke-choke games are stupid and if you're a SEAL you should know better. I saw a couple Lance potatoes playing it years and years ago and once Gunny caught them I don't think they slept for the next 72 hours.  They taught all of us in the Marines the whole blood choke routine and it's crazy how fast you can drop someone with one.
Seconds
just seconds.
I don't care if you're Betty White or Original if someone gets a proper blood choke on you there is time for maybe one good attempt to free yourself before you're asleep (but it's most likely not gonna work).  In my you experience wake back up as soon as pressure is removed but we also held the choke for less than 20 seconds. Not sure how a bunch of bad ass special forces pukes forgot that part.

Iirc, there was a whole 'nother layer of bad blood underneath the incident, so he likely didn't "forget".

There's a reason he pled guilty to manslaughter, and it wasn't because he felt remorse, imho.


Well, have fun in prison then fella.
 
2021-01-25 6:21:50 PM  

Smackledorfer: kindms: i really don't like how they think a guy really good at his job should somehow get special consideration when discussing a murder

I dont care if he was heroic on the battlefield or helped "keep america safe" You plotted and killed a fellow soldier because you thought he was a dick

10 years isnt long enough

Well, it not being a murder certainly plays a role there.

"Mr. Rogers was a great guy until he murdered someone else" is very different from "Mr. Rogers was a great guy until he committed manslaughter".

Don't take that as me being ok with anything he did in killing the green beret. But I doubt he intended him to die, and that does make a big difference.


And that is why the sentence is 10 years and not 20.
 
2021-01-25 6:24:13 PM  

Lenny.Bostoch: Smackledorfer: kindms: i really don't like how they think a guy really good at his job should somehow get special consideration when discussing a murder

I dont care if he was heroic on the battlefield or helped "keep america safe" You plotted and killed a fellow soldier because you thought he was a dick

10 years isnt long enough

Well, it not being a murder certainly plays a role there.

"Mr. Rogers was a great guy until he murdered someone else" is very different from "Mr. Rogers was a great guy until he committed manslaughter".

Don't take that as me being ok with anything he did in killing the green beret. But I doubt he intended him to die, and that does make a big difference.

And that is why the sentence is 10 years and not 20.


Agreed. And why I typed that in reply to a person who said 10 isn't long enough and said it was murder.

:)
 
2021-01-25 6:28:30 PM  

moeburn: this year's Special Forces picnic and volleyball tournament

It's called the SWAT World Challenge, where special forces like GSG9 go toe to toe with local police teams, SWAT teams, and private security forces in a tactical competition.

A bunch of Canadians who guard the world's largest nuclear power plant are in 4th place.  The guys whose job is to move nuclear weapons around the US are in second place.  But in first place?  Ocean Country, New Jersey PD.


"These are the current rankings of the competing teams as of 2007 "
 
2021-01-25 6:33:37 PM  
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2021-01-25 6:35:13 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: He'll get out and still be young, angry and trained well enough to go on a random killing spree "prank."


He will not last longer than 2 years. Accidents happen . And several will .
 
2021-01-25 6:36:19 PM  

King Something: rickythepenguin: Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.

Reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years confinement, and Dishonorable Discharge -- seems pretty normal for fratricide, although the 10-year trip to Leavenworth's gravel factory seems a bit lenient for that crime. He probably won't have much in the way of career prospects once he gets out, as most reputable companies are not keen to hire convicted murderers.

Although he could make tens or even twenties of dollars a year panhandling with a "homeless vet" sign, starting in the mid 2030s. People go give pocket change to beggars generally don't run background checks on those beggars beforehand.


Couldn't he go work for blackwater?
 
2021-01-25 6:38:11 PM  

King Something: Reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years confinement, and Dishonorable Discharge -- seems pretty normal for fratricide, although the 10-year trip to Leavenworth's gravel factory seems a bit lenient for that crime. He probably won't have much in the way of career prospects once he gets out, as most reputable companies are not keen to hire convicted murderers.


it's just nuts how from not just CPO, but Navy SEAL CPO, to E-1 and a complete and utter "fark YOU!" on his military resume....stunning.

but.  fark him. he earned it.

Sorry, Green Beret guy, and Army in general.  and the Armed Forces period.  Talk about a senseless death.  Thank god "HE" cannot issue pardons anymore.
 
2021-01-25 6:54:54 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Couldn't he go work for blackwater?


There are probably more ex Special Forces people than there are jobs.
No reason for them to take on a known loose cannon, a decade from now.

A lot of things can be overlooked. But I think that would be over the line even for them.
 
2021-01-25 7:03:42 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Natalie Portmanteau: Couldn't he go work for blackwater?

There are probably more ex Special Forces people than there are jobs.
No reason for them to take on a known loose cannon, a decade from now.

A lot of things can be overlooked. But I think that would be over the line even for them.


Oh, I was kidding. I assume he'll get a job consulting for Fox or the GOP.
 
2021-01-25 7:05:51 PM  

King Something: rickythepenguin: Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.

Reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years confinement, and Dishonorable Discharge -- seems pretty normal for fratricide, although the 10-year trip to Leavenworth's gravel factory seems a bit lenient for that crime. He probably won't have much in the way of career prospects once he gets out, as most reputable companies are not keen to hire convicted murderers.

Although he could make tens or even twenties of dollars a year panhandling with a "homeless vet" sign, starting in the mid 2030s. People go give pocket change to beggars generally don't run background checks on those beggars beforehand.


Or he could go on Fox as a military commentator. I think they'd take him.
 
2021-01-25 7:06:53 PM  

dittybopper: kindms: i really don't like how they think a guy really good at his job should somehow get special consideration when discussing a murder

I dont care if he was heroic on the battlefield or helped "keep america safe" You plotted and killed a fellow soldier because you thought he was a dick

10 years isnt long enough

I agree.  There was a saying when I was in, "One 'Oh, shiat!' wipes out ten 'attaboys'.".

Murder is a pretty big "Oh, shiat!".


What, like voting at liberals from the rooftops?
 
2021-01-25 7:07:30 PM  

King Something: rickythepenguin: Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.

Reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years confinement, and Dishonorable Discharge -- seems pretty normal for fratricide, although the 10-year trip to Leavenworth's gravel factory seems a bit lenient for that crime. He probably won't have much in the way of career prospects once he gets out, as most reputable companies are not keen to hire convicted murderers.

Although he could make tens or even twenties of dollars a year panhandling with a "homeless vet" sign, starting in the mid 2030s. People go give pocket change to beggars generally don't run background checks on those beggars beforehand.


Dishonorable discharge is also a federal felony conviction as far as being able to own/possess guns and vote goes.
 
2021-01-25 7:09:24 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Natalie Portmanteau: Couldn't he go work for blackwater?

There are probably more ex Special Forces people than there are jobs.
No reason for them to take on a known loose cannon, a decade from now.

A lot of things can be overlooked. But I think that would be over the line even for them.


They'd love someone like that for, "Go kill these dudes." bullshiat.  He'd likely never be in command of anything, and he'd not be doing stateside crap, but somewhere where they needed some inconvenient locals murdered to death?  Shiatheads like that are preferred.  They don't ask questions, they can't really get a job elsewhere, and they like the random psycho crap.  And they're highly unlikely to narc if shiat goes south, because the feds have nothing to offer them.  Civilian authorities can't expunge the record on a Court Martial conviction, not even the President can - best they can do is save you from going to jail.  You'll still be a convicted murderer with that information readily available.

/another Court CAN expunge the conviction - but that's rarer than hen's teeth and has to be specially convened for that purpose
//pretty much has to be an error in the case that no one can ignore - and one that's publicly known
///even then they sometimes dig their feet in and go stubborn
 
2021-01-25 7:28:30 PM  
Meh, these guys like beating on each other and playing crazy rough.  It's just what they do.  I'll buy involuntary manslaughter.
 
2021-01-25 7:29:25 PM  

King Something: rickythepenguin: Besides the prison time, his sentence strips him of his pay and his rank of chief petty officer. He'll also receive a dishonorable discharge. The punishment still must receive official approval from an admiral.

From memory - as former navy I should know this - but they don't just bust him from E-7 Chief down the E-6 Petty Officer First Class, I believe they bust him down to E-1.  obviously, 10 years in prison is probably a more pressing concern but, damn.  E-1 until he gets his dishonorable discharge.  no benefits.  Ouch.

Reduction to E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, 10 years confinement, and Dishonorable Discharge -- seems pretty normal for fratricide, although the 10-year trip to Leavenworth's gravel factory seems a bit lenient for that crime. He probably won't have much in the way of career prospects once he gets out, as most reputable companies are not keen to hire convicted murderers.

Although he could make tens or even twenties of dollars a year panhandling with a "homeless vet" sign, starting in the mid 2030s. People go give pocket change to beggars generally don't run background checks on those beggars beforehand.


Blackwater or whatever they are called now will probably hire him if he stays fit.

Someone trained to kill, including not having issues with collateral is always a fine addition to society. You can already see that in the police forces all around.
 
2021-01-25 7:34:59 PM  
Well, the jury is out. We now know that SEAL's are tougher than Green Berets...

/aisle ticket, please.
 
2021-01-25 7:36:16 PM  
But at least everyone's forgotten about that sheep he rogered.

/one express please
//Roger
///and out
 
2021-01-25 7:36:43 PM  
My coworkers at a (previous) stressful, job: Isn't it great that after all of this you get to unwind at your martial arts training after work??
Me: You don't understand...my training is more stressful than my job!

/instructor was ex-special forces
//"I'm tired", "I had a long day" etc were not valid reasons to underperform during training
///I recall when the boxing gloves felt like they weighed a ton. Couldn't keep my hands up. His response? "Just because you are tired doesn't mean you can quit". That became my mantra in future tough life experiences
 
2021-01-25 7:57:31 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Meh, these guys like beating on each other and playing crazy rough.  It's just what they do.  I'll buy involuntary manslaughter.


nope. The green beret was a roommate to two seals. He saw them doing some questionable shiat. Iirc it was drugs


The green beret was a known boyscout and the seals got spooked.

Then one of the seals had the audacity to try to bang the green beret's widow. I shiat you not.

There was some benefit for fallen operators and their families and the seal was trying hard. Other operators pulled him aside after seeing what he was doing
 
2021-01-25 8:15:07 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Shame Trump will just pardon him OH WAIT


This was just barracks stupidity gone horribly wrong.   There is no indication this guy was trying to stigginit, so he would get no pardon.
 
2021-01-25 8:19:12 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Shame Trump will just pardon him OH WAIT


Yeah this guy was really unlucky because there's no doubt Trump would halve set him free.
 
2021-01-25 9:04:10 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Shame Trump will just pardon him OH WAIT


Hol Up in Trump's Mind he is El Presidente Cheeto head For life .so there is hope
 
2021-01-25 9:09:55 PM  

Fear the Clam: DeDolph had placed Army Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar into a martial-arts-style chokehold to try to make him temporarily lose consciousness during what the SEAL said was a prank. Melgar died of strangulation.

That just shows that SEALs are badasses and Army guys are wusses. Hey, did he mention that he was a SEAL? Because if a SEAL hasn't gotten around to telling you he's a SEAL yet that's because he's thinking about how to kill you.


So I know this vegan SEAL that does Crossfit...
 
2021-01-25 9:36:26 PM  
Shame on ABC News. They know bloody well that the Green Beret did not die by accident as a result of a prank. He was the victim of a depraved, pre-meditated murder.
 
2021-01-25 11:34:28 PM  
If anything,cases like this should be treated MORE severely than civilian cases, not less...There is no
way a premeditated murder between civilians would get such a short sentence..The downgrade
and discharge are totally trivial..If a civilian goes to prison for murder, i doubt their job is going to
keep them on either..
 
2021-01-26 12:03:09 AM  
Who wants tickets to the Army Navy game now?
 
2021-01-26 12:46:33 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: If anything,cases like this should be treated MORE severely than civilian cases, not less...There is no
way a premeditated murder between civilians would get such a short sentence..The downgrade
and discharge are totally trivial..If a civilian goes to prison for murder, i doubt their job is going to
keep them on either..


It wasn't premeditated murder.
 
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