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2021-01-25 3:40:25 PM  
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2021-01-25 5:52:30 PM  
You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?
 
2021-01-25 5:56:59 PM  

anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?


....every dictator anywhere?
 
2021-01-25 5:58:06 PM  
I mean he's not lying depending on which side you're on
 
2021-01-25 6:02:23 PM  
"In the history of our country, we have repeatedly encountered situations when the situation went far beyond the law, and shook our society and the state, where not only people who were engaged in it suffered but also those people who had nothing to do with it. "

Yes. You twatapotamous. They are called revolutions.  Your country has had lots of those.  It seems Russia is way over due for one.  There needs to be a price to pay for interference and subversion of western democracy.  I hope the Russian people remind you of what happens to Czars in your country.
 
2021-01-25 6:06:47 PM  
recovering from an alleged poisoning he blames on the Kremlin

I guess aljazeera doesn't want to piss off the Soviets.
 
2021-01-25 6:18:27 PM  

anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?


The American Left?

Trump supporters:  we think there might have been election fraud.

The left: nothing to see here. And anybody even questioning it is guilty of insurrection.
 
2021-01-25 6:20:09 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?

The American Left?

Trump supporters:  we think there might have been election fraud.

The left: nothing to see here. And anybody even questioning it is guilty of insurrection.


fark off back to Russia, traitor.

The Left didn't break into the Capitol trying to murder enough Democrats to give the election to the guy who got six million less votes.
 
2021-01-25 6:22:34 PM  
So is Putin actually shorter than Bonaparte?  Physically, morally, whatever.
 
2021-01-25 6:24:24 PM  

BitwiseShift: So is Putin actually shorter than Bonaparte?  Physically, morally, whatever.


Supported by worse people?
 
2021-01-25 6:29:15 PM  
Putinicide comes in many forms.
 
2021-01-25 6:33:32 PM  
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.
 
2021-01-25 6:49:18 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.


Those claiming that there was fraud have had ample opportunities to support their claims with evidence and have provided exactly bupkis.
 
2021-01-25 6:51:25 PM  

Eegah: GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.

Those claiming that there was fraud have had ample opportunities to support their claims with evidence and have provided exactly bupkis.


Not quite true.  They've provided both bupkis and jack shiat.  Might even add providing nada to the list.
 
2021-01-25 6:55:06 PM  
I demand the BidenHarris give the Putin 24 hours to step down, and if he doesn't, nuke the shiat out of Russia.
 
2021-01-25 6:55:18 PM  

Eegah: GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.

Those claiming that there was fraud have had ample opportunities to support their claims with evidence and have provided exactly bupkis.


Yeah, you don't have much of an argument when your track record versus the courts is worse than the NY Jets.
 
2021-01-25 7:11:38 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.


Die a horribly slow and painful death, please. We Americans have work to do, you're not wanted or needed.
 
2021-01-25 7:17:52 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?

The American Left?

Trump supporters:  we think there might have been election fraud.

The left: nothing to see here. And anybody even questioning it is guilty of insurrection.


Taking up arms and kicking in the doors of the Capitol with the express intent to disrupt Congress in session is more than "even questioning it."
 
2021-01-25 7:22:06 PM  
I love how some in this thread are saying this is blocking democracy.
You mean like how four years ago the people voted for one leader, and 300 people voted for a second leader and that second leader won?
I always though democracy was "One 'man', one vote."

/not too proud  to say didn't really understand the electoral college until four years ago
 
2021-01-25 7:28:19 PM  

Resident Muslim: I love how some in this thread are saying this is blocking democracy.
You mean like how four years ago the people voted for one leader, and 300 people voted for a second leader and that second leader won?
I always though democracy was "One 'man', one vote."

/not too proud  to say didn't really understand the electoral college until four years ago


I always wondered which one of those 300 had a substantial increase in wealth or giftys, job offers etc. that year.
 
2021-01-25 7:34:17 PM  

Eegah: GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.

Those claiming that there was fraud have had ample opportunities to support their claims with evidence and have provided exactly bupkis.


What, isn't my wife's friends boyfriends twitter not all the proof you need? It is backed up on Freddom Eagle 88 Fan Page on Facebook. Just because "news" organizations like NPR and CNN, who fake news anyway, won't talk about it is actually more proof.

Circular logic is best logic.
 
2021-01-25 7:36:04 PM  

Eegah: GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.

Those claiming that there was fraud have had ample opportunities to support their claims with evidence and have provided exactly bupkis.


These are not smart people -- after all, they are CONVINCED to their core that the only reason that the guy who who NEVER had an approval rating higher 49% EVER and was polling lower 40s at election time could possibly lose from a nice, articulate, smart and stable opponent must because of massive fraud.

/Common clay of the new west
//You know
 
2021-01-25 7:40:15 PM  

LOLITROLU: GrizzlyPouch: anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?

The American Left?

Trump supporters:  we think there might have been election fraud.

The left: nothing to see here. And anybody even questioning it is guilty of insurrection.

Taking up arms and kicking in the doors of the Capitol with the express intent to disrupt Congress in session is more than "even questioning it."


You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

And I'm no fan of Trump.  At the same time, Democrats handling their political opponents the same way Putin does isn't something we should be ok with
 
2021-01-25 7:45:22 PM  

Excelsior: Eegah: GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

See.  That's right out of Putin's playbook.  If you dare question them, they call you mean names.

Those claiming that there was fraud have had ample opportunities to support their claims with evidence and have provided exactly bupkis.

These are not smart people -- after all, they are CONVINCED to their core that the only reason that the guy who who NEVER had an approval rating higher 49% EVER and was polling lower 40s at election time could possibly lose from a nice, articulate, smart and stable opponent must because of massive fraud.

/Common clay of the new west
//You know


Exactly.  I mean if you have to resort to demonizing and disparaging people you disagree with politically (Vladimir Putin style) it must mean your own ideas down stand on their own intellectually.
 
2021-01-25 8:04:47 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: LOLITROLU: GrizzlyPouch: anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?

The American Left?

Trump supporters:  we think there might have been election fraud.

The left: nothing to see here. And anybody even questioning it is guilty of insurrection.

Taking up arms and kicking in the doors of the Capitol with the express intent to disrupt Congress in session is more than "even questioning it."

You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

And I'm no fan of Trump.  At the same time, Democrats handling their political opponents the same way Putin does isn't something we should be ok with


I had a well reasoned reply all laid out for you, but then I realized it would be a waste of time.
 
2021-01-25 8:15:13 PM  
Tanks are not Putin's style. People falling over dead for no reason? That is Putin.
 
2021-01-25 8:15:33 PM  
Naval my is probably hanging upside down from the ceiling and getting regular burns, electric shocks, and beatings round the clock if he's even still alive at all.
 
2021-01-25 8:18:19 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.


No. He just showed doubt in the election process and helped create the firestorm that happened on January 6th by continuing to fan the flames of baseless conspiracy theorists.

As i said in another thread, you don't get to pretend to be innocent when you play with matches and start a wildfire.
 
2021-01-25 8:28:05 PM  
KingKauff:

Yeah it would be.  Because Dems are trying to basically charge Trump with a crime for his political speech to prevent him from running for any office again.

And that's the type thing guys like Vladimir Putin do.

And there's really no defense for it.
 
2021-01-25 8:39:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

No. He just showed doubt in the election process and helped create the firestorm that happened on January 6th by continuing to fan the flames of baseless conspiracy theorists.

As i said in another thread, you don't get to pretend to be innocent when you play with matches and start a wildfire.


No matter how many different ways you say "Donald Trump SAIDsome things we disagreed with politically so we're trying to silence him" it still isn't something that should be happening in America.

You'd think the media at least would be calling Dems out for this.

But then (also like how Putin has his own state media) they've pretty much become propaganda.

It's sad really watching one of the greatest democracies civilization has known unravel before our eyes.
 
2021-01-25 8:42:00 PM  
In other news, Navalny may be in jail, but neo-nazis still have free reign in Russia.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-512369​1​5
 
2021-01-25 9:35:15 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: Mrtraveler01: GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

No. He just showed doubt in the election process and helped create the firestorm that happened on January 6th by continuing to fan the flames of baseless conspiracy theorists.

As i said in another thread, you don't get to pretend to be innocent when you play with matches and start a wildfire.

No matter how many different ways you say "Donald Trump SAIDsome things we disagreed with politically so we're trying to silence him" it still isn't something that should be happening in America.

You'd think the media at least would be calling Dems out for this.

But then (also like how Putin has his own state media) they've pretty much become propaganda.

It's sad really watching one of the greatest democracies civilization has known unravel before our eyes.


What the hell are you on?  He told them to go storm the capital.  Ya know what?  I don't care. Enjoy watching OANN.  I don't have to listen to you anymore.
 
2021-01-25 10:28:40 PM  
This is howl handle things in Rlussia
 
2021-01-25 10:29:18 PM  

Resident Muslim: I always though democracy was "One 'man', one vote."


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2021-01-25 10:30:34 PM  

KingKauff: GrizzlyPouch: Mrtraveler01: GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

No. He just showed doubt in the election process and helped create the firestorm that happened on January 6th by continuing to fan the flames of baseless conspiracy theorists.

As i said in another thread, you don't get to pretend to be innocent when you play with matches and start a wildfire.

No matter how many different ways you say "Donald Trump SAIDsome things we disagreed with politically so we're trying to silence him" it still isn't something that should be happening in America.

You'd think the media at least would be calling Dems out for this.

But then (also like how Putin has his own state media) they've pretty much become propaganda.

It's sad really watching one of the greatest democracies civilization has known unravel before our eyes.

What the hell are you on?  He told them to go storm the capital.  Ya know what?  I don't care. Enjoy watching OANN.  I don't have to listen to you anymore.


He also told them to do it "peacefully and patriotically"

That last part is in quotation marks because it's a direct quote from his speech.

What he didn't say is go violently riot or violently do anything.

So if we're going to silence politicians who tell their supporters directly, clearly, unambiguously to protest "peacefully" then we're pretty much living in something more akin to the Soviet Union or Putin's Russia than anything like America.

Know what I mean?
 
2021-01-25 10:31:47 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.


Twice impeached.

Get it right, please.

/Breaking a record that no POTUS has ever done before!
//It's like a miracle.
 
2021-01-25 10:45:36 PM  

iron de havilland: GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

Twice impeached.

Get it right, please.

/Breaking a record that no POTUS has ever done before!
//It's like a miracle.


Maybe so.  But I'd rather be on the side of the guy impeached twice than the side trying to use impeachment to silence their political opponent.

Because they couldn't just beat him with their own ideas.
 
2021-01-25 10:51:25 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: iron de havilland: GrizzlyPouch: You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.

Twice impeached.

Get it right, please.

/Breaking a record that no POTUS has ever done before!
//It's like a miracle.

Maybe so.  But I'd rather be on the side of the guy impeached twice than the side trying to use impeachment to silence their political opponent.

Because they couldn't just beat him with their own ideas.


Jesus, it seems Trump farts must smell like the most delightful ambrosia and nectar, since some people just can't give them up.

Your boy tried a coup against the US government. His gang tried to murder his own Vice President. Fellow seditionists were trying to aid others.

Why does Trump deserve anything other than spending the rest of his miserable life rotting away in a cell?
 
2021-01-25 11:06:41 PM  
iron de havilland:

Because in America, we don't just lock people up if we don't like their speech.

Even if we really really don't like them or the people that vote for them.
 
2021-01-25 11:11:28 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: iron de havilland:

Because in America, we don't just lock people up if we don't like their speech.

Even if we really really don't like them or the people that vote for them.


Who's doing that?

Should America not investigate insurrection and sedition?
 
2021-01-25 11:16:13 PM  
Or is it OK when your boy does it?
 
2021-01-25 11:31:44 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: iron de havilland:

Because in America, we don't just lock people up if we don't like their speech.

Even if we really really don't like them or the people that vote for them.


It is endlessly amazing how willing the enemies of the United States of America are to attack its foundational principles while hiding behind its protections.

No, Trump did not say "I order you to murder my Vice President!" He also did not say "I order you to storm the capitol and execute the opposition!"

He also did not say "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

One does not have to say the magical words Quid pro quo! to be committing crimes of conspiracy.  One does not have to say "Hang Mike Pence!" to be guilty of inspiring a spittle-flecked mob of insurrectionists.

Mob bosses have tried this shiat for a hundred years, and they still get taken down by the cops, because this argument is utter farking garbage.

The reason no one takes you or any of your squirming ilk seriously is that your bad faith arguments are exactly that.  You demand a level of semantic technicality that you do not afford the people you slander.  You claim 'AKSHULLY HE NEVER SAID EXACTLY THAT' and yet twist the words of the decent people you attack.

No one takes you seriously, because you and you sniveling kind never act seriously, and all you do is squeal and snivel and lie and twist the truth to meet your own ends.

There is no point in arguing with you or your ilk, because you do not argue in good faith.  I doubt you even comprehend what those words mean.
 
2021-01-25 11:54:20 PM  
toraque:

Except you're not talking about some mob boss using code words to order a hit.

You're talking about a politician giving a speech to his supporters.  This is speech that the protection of is literally the foundation of America.

And it wasn't ambiguous. Trump explicitly told people to protest peacefully.  To try and twist his words in an effort to silence him is as undemocratic as it possibly get.

It's the literal actual thing dictators and people like Putin do to silence opposition.  The linked article is a prime example of it.  How do you not get that?

I understand you don't like Trump or his ideas.  That's the beauty of America.  We all get to say things other people might not like.  ESPECIALLY as it pertains to politics/
 
2021-01-26 12:14:15 AM  
toraque:

And look at the language you use when talking to someone you disagree with:

"Squirming ilk"
"Sniveling"
"Squeal"
"Lie"
"Bad faith"

You demonize people.  Try to pretend their words don't count because you think they're said in bad faith, or that they're said by "bad people"

Stop pretending anybody different from you doesn't count.
 
2021-01-26 12:22:04 AM  
 
2021-01-26 12:41:48 AM  

iron de havilland: Resident Muslim: I always though democracy was "One 'man', one vote."

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How can I not smart a Pratchett quote.
A benevolent dictator is the best type of leadership.
The problem is that that system has dictator after dictator and if any of them is not benevolent...you're screwed.
 
2021-01-26 12:41:58 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Just shut up.

He didn't do anything to diffuse the situation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-jan-6​-rally-crowd-storm-the-capitol-video-1​84828622.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medi​um=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_f​ark


Right because that's the standard.  Well, he didn't exactly tell people to commit a crime.

But he didn't tell them not to either.

So he's guilty.

Damn you ppl are scary.
 
2021-01-26 1:30:03 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Damn you ppl are scary.


No, what's scary is the legion of cultists he has and how he feeds them baseless conspiracy theories and riles them up to do things like attack the Capitol.

You don't get to play with matches and then pretend to be innocent because you accidentally started a wildfire.
 
2021-01-26 1:26:11 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: LOLITROLU: GrizzlyPouch: anfrind: You know who else thought pro-Democracy protests were counterproductive and dangerous?

The American Left?

Trump supporters: we think there might have been election fraud.

The left: nothing to see here. And anybody even questioning it is guilty of insurrection.

Taking up arms and kicking in the doors of the Capitol with the express intent to disrupt Congress in session is more than "even questioning it."

You're right.  Unfortunately for you, Donald Trump has never done any of those things.  And yet he's impeached.


I hop you didn't put your back out moving those goalposts.

And I'm no fan of Trump.

Yes, we know you're a liar, you don't need to remind us.
 
2021-01-26 1:31:16 PM  
GrizzlyPouch:
Exactly.  I mean if you have to resort to demonizing and disparaging people you disagree with politically (Vladimir Putin style) it must mean your own ideas down stand on their own intellectually.

Wow - so you're admitting that Drumpf is a Putin stooge?  Congratulations!  That's a big step forward for you!
 
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