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2021-01-25 2:36:28 AM  
Well roll out the hero flag. Today this one church wasn't a packocarnts
 
2021-01-25 2:43:29 AM  
The Macedonia Church of Pittsburgh is a black church with awesome music and strong BLM and community support.

Not your typical lowkey white racist 'who needs morals or compassion?' Trump supporting protestant hypocrites who've thrown away everything they pretended to believe in.

I'm not Christian at all, but at least I appreciate some compassion and adherence to what you claim to believe in.
 
2021-01-25 3:03:05 AM  
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2021-01-25 3:04:10 AM  
Nice to see.  I have had a great experience with Catholic education and neighborhood. Mom is a devout, kind, and decent person.  All that came from the church, including the shady inexcusable stuff.  So I dunno.  I see good there too.
 
2021-01-25 3:04:47 AM  
You only hear about the churches being run by thieving bastards and church leaders screaming about "the geys".  Most churches quietly do their work in their local community and don't get into the news.  Same goes for synagogues and mosques.
 
2021-01-25 3:29:33 AM  
Doesn't say in the article but I bet they run a food bank, shelters for abused women, maybe even a homeless shelter.
Many if not most churches do.
 
2021-01-25 3:58:04 AM  
I guess I'm cynical, but I kind of wonder how they have the money to do this, and why they allowed it to be a PR photo opp? Wasn't their god supposed to have advised against that sort of thing?
 
2021-01-25 4:02:38 AM  

KB202: I guess I'm cynical, but I kind of wonder how they have the money to do this, and why they allowed it to be a PR photo opp? Wasn't their god supposed to have advised against that sort of thing?


That's one possibility, but another is advertising good works to encourage others to be kind to their fellow man and help out those who need it.
 
2021-01-25 4:33:30 AM  
Sometimes churches quietly do wonderful things. I saw a documentary piece about a church that sponsored two full-time dentists that they outfitted with vans converted into mobile dental surgeries to travel through the poorest parts of Appalachia providing free dental care to people.

It was very kind. Not as kind as the government providing free dental care to all, but it did some part to alleviate America's systemic failure as a society.
 
2021-01-25 5:08:16 AM  
Yes, churches do walk the talk,  and take care of folks. Stop thinking they need to be taxed when they're mostly not rich and do stiff Uncle Sam should be doing. There's no 'god' talk at my humanist church of leftists
 
2021-01-25 5:28:18 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Sometimes churches quietly do wonderful things. I saw a documentary piece about a church that sponsored two full-time dentists that they outfitted with vans converted into mobile dental surgeries to travel through the poorest parts of Appalachia providing free dental care to people.

It was very kind. Not as kind as the government providing free dental care to all, but it did some part to alleviate America's systemic failure as a society.


I truly believe that the medical world needs to un-seperate dentistry from the rest of medicine.

Insurance: All your bones are covered in our policy. Except teeth. We will fix anything wrong with your body anywhere on your body. Except your mouth, which can literally only be even looked at by *shudder* those dentist types.
 
2021-01-25 5:34:10 AM  

gbv23: Yes, churches do walk the talk,  and take care of folks. Stop thinking they need to be taxed when they're mostly not rich and do stiff Uncle Sam should be doing. There's no 'god' talk at my humanist church of leftists


My church pays taxes on everything, except donations.  We pay sales tax, we pay property tax, we pay unemployment tax.  We want to be good citizens, and clean water, EMTs, storm drain run-off, sanitation, and nice roads all cost a little bit.  If this little church, with an attendance of about 70, on a good Sunday, can do this, so can the bigger churches.  I deal with the church finances and have seen the checks to various county and state taxing authorities.

If the pols would tax the assets of the facility not directly used by the congregation, you'd probably never read about some megachurch needing a private jet ever again.  Taxation is not an assault on freedom of religion, especially targeted taxes, like property taxes, sales tax, etc.
 
2021-01-25 5:55:48 AM  
BUT ARE BOYS IN BLUE DO THESE KINDS OF THING ALL THE TIME. BLM IS TRYING TO STEEL THIS GLORY!!!
 
2021-01-25 8:06:15 AM  
Yeah right, churches do stuff like this ALL the time, You don't hear about it subby, because in the news if it bleeds it leads.
 
2021-01-25 8:41:53 AM  
That is really cool. The place where my kids and I worshiped before the pandemic participates in the local food bank and is a partner in supporting the local domestic violence shelter. Of course, this year donations have been way down. Thankfully utilities have been also. The folks in charge of budgeting seem to be investing every spare dime into feeding people, donating to rental assistance, and donating to organizations that represent and assist domestic violence victims.

But all of that is ordinary stuff that a person expects a faith community to do. The cool thing our worship community once did was enter into a neighborhood that was suffering economically and contrive ways to boost the economy. After some research, they decided the fastest way to make the largest dollar impact was to open a bar. In college, I had no idea that one of my favorite bars was owned by a faith group.

They were known for paying better than average to the short order cooks, the wait staff, the bar tenders, the bouncers, and the bands. They generally refused to press charges when a fight broke out. And the fights could be spectacular. They had a big plate glass window at the front. For some reason, combatants really liked to throw their opponents through that window. IRC, they eventually upgraded to some kind of glass or clear plastic that bounced people back in without breaking.
 
2021-01-25 8:49:59 AM  
It still cracks me up that y'all have a grocery store called Giant Eagle.  Must be down the street from the Massive Badger.

/ Piggly Wiggly
// H.E.B.
 
2021-01-25 8:52:56 AM  
Just a Midwestern pastor here, running a food bank, warm clothing giveaways in the winter, trying to act like Jesus. But doing so only makes the local news, usually. It's the joel Olsteens and pedophiles that make us boring, normal Christians look like trash.

Ah well, time to fill the food pantry.
 
2021-01-25 8:53:31 AM  
It's been too many years for me to be certain, but that faith-group owned bar may have been the first place I saw these guys ....


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2021-01-25 8:58:23 AM  

Hankie Fest: Just a Midwestern pastor here, running a food bank, warm clothing giveaways in the winter, trying to act like Jesus. But doing so only makes the local news, usually. It's the joel Olsteens and pedophiles that make us boring, normal Christians look like trash.

Ah well, time to fill the food pantry.


I suspect you will get more upvotes if you rewrite that second sentence.
 
2021-01-25 8:58:42 AM  

cherryl taggart: gbv23: Yes, churches do walk the talk,  and take care of folks. Stop thinking they need to be taxed when they're mostly not rich and do stiff Uncle Sam should be doing. There's no 'god' talk at my humanist church of leftists

My church pays taxes on everything, except donations. We pay sales tax, we pay property tax, we pay unemployment tax.  We want to be good citizens, and clean water, EMTs, storm drain run-off, sanitation, and nice roads all cost a little bit.  If this little church, with an attendance of about 70, on a good Sunday, can do this, so can the bigger churches.  I deal with the church finances and have seen the checks to various county and state taxing authorities.

If the pols would tax the assets of the facility not directly used by the congregation, you'd probably never read about some megachurch needing a private jet ever again.  Taxation is not an assault on freedom of religion, especially targeted taxes, like property taxes, sales tax, etc.


Yeah, a  lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue.  For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Many areas don't tax churches on property and give them breaks on sales tax, but that depends upon the state.  So that would be the largest inconvenience to a church, and it would more likely harm small churches rather than the enormous ones. The larger ones would probably just shake down their congregation for more money to pay the evil government.
 
2021-01-25 9:00:03 AM  
Glad to finally see a real benefit from Christianity.

The score is still -1,000,000,000 to 1
 
2021-01-25 9:07:39 AM  

Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).


Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.
 
2021-01-25 9:35:28 AM  

jgilb: Glad to finally see a real benefit from Christianity.

The score is still -1,000,000,000 to 1


Apparently some people only believe what they can see right in front of them, or what they've been told.
 
2021-01-25 10:28:45 AM  

NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.


No, a donation to a church fits the IRS definition of a gift which is not taxable income.  If churches lost their tax exempt status, gifts would not magically become taxable.  Something given with disinterested generosity is considered a gift according to established precedent.
 
2021-01-25 10:32:07 AM  

NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.


And in the Walmart example, you simply overpaid for your goods. Your extra dollar wasn't given to them with "disinterested generosity", you simply made a mistake. If your boss pays you an extra dollar  in your paycheck by mistake, it is taxable.  If he gives you a toaster for your wedding, it is a non taxable gift.
 
2021-01-25 11:13:35 AM  

Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.

No, a donation to a church fits the IRS definition of a gift which is not taxable income.  If churches lost their tax exempt status, gifts would not magically become taxable.  Something given with disinterested generosity is considered a gift according to established precedent.


What do you think people mean by "tax the churches"?   That is exactly what they are calling for, having donations be treated as taxable income.
 
2021-01-25 11:41:01 AM  

NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.

No, a donation to a church fits the IRS definition of a gift which is not taxable income.  If churches lost their tax exempt status, gifts would not magically become taxable.  Something given with disinterested generosity is considered a gift according to established precedent.

What do you think people mean by "tax the churches"?   That is exactly what they are calling for, having donations be treated as taxable income.


Depends on the person, but most people who say things like that are grossly misinformed. It is a kneejerk reaction from loudmouths similar to those who think the government could balance its books if it just cut foreign aid.    When people talk about taxing churches, they are nearly always talking about revoking tax exempt status. The IRS is clear on donations to non tax exempt churches, they are gifts from the giver (so no charitable deduction) and not income to the receiver:  Upon revocation, the entity is treated as any other organization that does not have non profit status, as described below:

. Taxation of Contributions In most circumstances, taxation of a formerly tax-exempt organization that has had its exemption revoked does not present major difficulties. Normal corporation taxation or trust taxation rules apply in the same manner as with any taxable corporation or trust. In the case of a gift to a taxable entity, the donor may be subject to gift tax under the provisions of IRC 2501; the entity itself is not be taxed on property received by gift under the provisions of IRC 102.


    From a municipal standpoint, taxing churches means they want to tax their property. The Catholic church is the largest land owner in some tax jurisdictions which puts those cities in a bind as they have no revenue from large chunks of its land.  It also would allow states to collect sales taxes on a church's purchases.

The other issue with losing tax exempt status is that the donors can no longer take a tax deduction for its gifts.
 
2021-01-25 12:00:12 PM  

Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.

No, a donation to a church fits the IRS definition of a gift which is not taxable income.  If churches lost their tax exempt status, gifts would not magically become taxable.  Something given with disinterested generosity is considered a gift according to established precedent.

What do you think people mean by "tax the churches"?   That is exactly what they are calling for, having donations be treated as taxable income.

Depends on the person, but most people who say things like that are grossly misinformed. It is a kneejerk reaction from loudmouths similar to those who think the government could balance its books if it just cut foreign aid.    When people talk about taxing churches, they are nearly always talking about revoking tax exempt status. The IRS is clear on donations to non tax exempt churches, they are gifts from the giver (so no charitable deduction) and not income to the receiver:  Upon revocation, the entity is treated as any other organization that does not have non profit status, as described below:

. Taxation of Contributions In most circumstances, taxation of a formerly tax-exempt organization that has had its exemption revoked does not present major difficulties. Normal corporation taxation or trust taxation rules apply in the same manner as with any taxable corporation or trust. In the case of a gift to a taxable entity, the donor may be subject to gift tax under the provisions of IRC 2501; the entity itself is not be taxed on property received by gift under the provisions of IRC 102.


  From a municipal standpoint, taxing churches means they want to tax their property. The Catholic church is the largest land owner in some tax jurisdictions which puts those cities in a bind as they have no revenue from large chunks of its land.  It also would allow states to collect sales taxes on a church's purchases.

The other issue with losing tax exempt status is that the donors can no longer take a tax deduction for its gifts.


Tax deductions are meaningless to the average person because the standard deduction is so high.  One has to donate a shiat-ton of money to qualify for deducting donations.

And donations to churches should be taxed.  Either change IRS policy or change the law, but they should be treated as taxable income and not donations.
 
2021-01-25 12:11:40 PM  

NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.

No, a donation to a church fits the IRS definition of a gift which is not taxable income.  If churches lost their tax exempt status, gifts would not magically become taxable.  Something given with disinterested generosity is considered a gift according to established precedent.

What do you think people mean by "tax the churches"?   That is exactly what they are calling for, having donations be treated as taxable income.

Depends on the person, but most people who say things like that are grossly misinformed. It is a kneejerk reaction from loudmouths similar to those who think the government could balance its books if it just cut foreign aid.    When people talk about taxing churches, they are nearly always talking about revoking tax exempt status. The IRS is clear on donations to non tax exempt churches, they are gifts from the giver (so no charitable deduction) and not income to the receiver:  Upon revocation, the entity is treated as any other organization that does not have non profit status, as described below:

. Taxation of Contributions In most circumstances, taxation of a formerly tax-exempt organization that has had its exemption revoked does not present major difficulties. Normal corporation taxation or trust taxation rules apply in the same manner as with any taxable corporation or trust. In the case of a gift to a taxable entity, the donor may be su ...


That would require making every gift given taxable to the recipient,since it is highly unlikely that it would pass constitutional review if you made gifts tax free to every individual, corporation, governmental unit, labor union, hospital, but then tax one single type of entity.
 
2021-01-25 12:17:25 PM  

Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: NM Volunteer: Eightballjacket: Yeah, a lot of idiots assume that churchs pay no taxes or even if they became taxable, there would be some great inflow of tax revenue. For one, the donations would never be taxable as they would be considered gifts, and two, many would show a loss since their deductible expenses would greatly exceed their taxable income (remember, donations would not be taxable income).

Except taxing churches would mean taxing donations and collection plate revenue as income.  If I overpay Walmart by a dollar, that extra dollar isn't untaxable.

No, a donation to a church fits the IRS definition of a gift which is not taxable income.  If churches lost their tax exempt status, gifts would not magically become taxable.  Something given with disinterested generosity is considered a gift according to established precedent.

What do you think people mean by "tax the churches"?   That is exactly what they are calling for, having donations be treated as taxable income.

Depends on the person, but most people who say things like that are grossly misinformed. It is a kneejerk reaction from loudmouths similar to those who think the government could balance its books if it just cut foreign aid.    When people talk about taxing churches, they are nearly always talking about revoking tax exempt status. The IRS is clear on donations to non tax exempt churches, they are gifts from the giver (so no charitable deduction) and not income to the receiver:  Upon revocation, the entity is treated as any other organization that does not have non profit status, as described below:

. Taxation of Contributions In most circumstances, taxation of a formerly tax-exempt organization that has had its exemption revoked does not present major difficulties. Normal corporation taxation or trust taxation rules apply in the same manner as with any taxable corporation or trust. In the case of a gift to a taxable entity, the donor may be su ...

That would require making every gift given taxable to the recipient,since it is highly unlikely that it would pass constitutional review if you made gifts tax free to every individual, corporation, governmental unit, labor union, hospital, but then tax one single type of entity.


That's where the IRS gets screwy, because things like debt forgiveness are definitely gifts, but they are still taxable as income.  I can give a certain amount of money to family before it is subject to taxes.  What we need is a consistent rule that money given to another entity is subject to federal income tax unless it is a registered and audited 501(C)(3).  So church donations and collection plates and other sorts of indulgences are taxed as income, but donations to the separately-incorporated soup kitchen are not taxed.
 
2021-01-25 2:27:24 PM  

OgreMagi: You only hear about the churches being run by thieving bastards and church leaders screaming about "the geys".  Most churches quietly do their work in their local community and don't get into the news.  Same goes for synagogues and mosques.


Came here to say this.
/wasn't thinking about the synagogues and mosques. Just wanted to be fair to churches.
 
2021-01-25 8:29:00 PM  

gbv23: Yes, churches do walk the talk,  and take care of folks. Stop thinking they need to be taxed when they're mostly not rich and do stiff Uncle Sam should be doing. There's no 'god' talk at my humanist church of leftists


Most parishes would probably owe so little income tax that the government would spend more collecting the tax than it would from the tax itself.  Even the great downtown cathedrals are not too profitable since congregants there days like heating even if the roof is fifty feet high.  

Then there are the megachurches and the storefront scams run by Liberty U, graduates...
 
2021-01-26 12:50:38 AM  

asymptonic: It still cracks me up that y'all have a grocery store called Giant Eagle.  Must be down the street from the Massive Badger.

/ Piggly Wiggly
// H.E.B.


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