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2021-01-24 5:44:07 PM  
Until a Senate organizing resolution is passed Dems are not chairperson of committees. Hoping Chuck introduces a resolution on Monday and just says fark Mitch obstructionist arse.
 
2021-01-24 7:03:25 PM  
Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.
 
2021-01-24 9:20:39 PM  

kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.


Not to mention the Sinema wild card.
 
2021-01-24 10:07:17 PM  
Democrats use only simple majority rules bill this year to do the right thing.

Those bastards.
 
2021-01-24 10:10:11 PM  
So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??
 
2021-01-24 10:12:19 PM  
Some aides have identified that items like the $15 minimum wage could struggle to meet the criteria.

Struggle? Interesting term to be used instead of the most accurate term "never".
 
2021-01-24 10:12:39 PM  

Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??


We know what club subby is in and what's about to ensue.
 
2021-01-24 10:13:54 PM  
If they don't nuke the filibuster, they have 2 years to make an attempt to govern. 2 years to get as much of Biden's agenda done as possible. Because while you can be optimistic that the Democrats keep the House and Senate in the mid-terms, you should never bet on it. If they don't get shiat done in 2 years, Biden becomes a lame duck after the red wave of 2022.
 
2021-01-24 10:14:19 PM  

Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??


They're going to get ONE bill passed. One single bill. That's not exactly much to shout about given all of the problems facing our country.
 
2021-01-24 10:16:00 PM  
Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.
 
2021-01-24 10:17:52 PM  

No1farker: Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.


How about start with making them actually farking do it instead of bending over as someone even hints at it?
 
2021-01-24 10:18:57 PM  

Serious Black: Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??

They're going to get ONE bill passed. One single bill. That's not exactly much to shout about given all of the problems facing our country.


Dems need to do everything in their power to nuke the filibuster and ram through medicare for all, mandatory family, sick, and vacation leave, and a $15/hr federal minimum wage.  Most of the dolts screaming about socialism will love it once it is rammed down their throats, they just need to be shown.

/pie in the sky I know
 
2021-01-24 10:19:49 PM  

No1farker: Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.


After the craziness of the GOP I feel they will go ahead and do it if they take over in 2022. Blocking the Dems for 2 years and spinning the narrative that they couldn't get anything done in 2 years is how the GOP will win in 2022.
 
2021-01-24 10:21:09 PM  

dark brew: Most of the dolts screaming about socialism will love it once it is rammed down their throats, they just need to be shown.


The same idiots that hate Obamacare, but love their ACA plan.
 
2021-01-24 10:21:24 PM  

No1farker: Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.


Republicans have no reason to respect the filibuster and have shown every intention to get rid of it the movement it is politically expedient for them. Saving the filibuster while you're in the majority would only protect you while you're in the minority in the situation where both sides are good faith actors. Republicans are not good faith actors, so keep the filibuster now provides exactly zero benefit.

They should use the nuclear option to remove the filibuster and pass what they can while they can. Very high on their agenda should be voter protection laws, anti-gerrymandering laws, statehood (if they have the votes) for DC and Puerto Rico. The goal should be to ensure that tyranny of the minority is avoided.
 
2021-01-24 10:22:10 PM  

Serious Black: Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??

They're going to get ONE bill passed. One single bill. That's not exactly much to shout about given all of the problems facing our country.


The senate can use reconciliation each for spending, revenue, and the federal debt limit. An attempt at a skinny repeal of the ACA failed in the senate because of McCain, but the tax bill was passed, both used reconciliation.
 
2021-01-24 10:22:47 PM  
Things that make me climax:

Mitch McConnell finds the votes in the Senate to do what he portends in recent statements: Convict Donald JOHN Trump of being the Greatest Asshole in American History (GAAH, choking sound).

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also targets Senators Hawley and Cruz, and works with Chuck "Useless fark" Schumer. And "fark you" to the Fark dot com filter, too!

Ivanka Trump in prison for 5 minutes.
 
2021-01-24 10:24:16 PM  

Weatherkiss: If they don't nuke the filibuster, they have 2 years to make an attempt to govern. 2 years to get as much of Biden's agenda done as possible. Because while you can be optimistic that the Democrats keep the House and Senate in the mid-terms, you should never bet on it. If they don't get shiat done in 2 years, Biden becomes a lame duck after the red wave of 2022.


I think you're underestimating how pissed off many americans with the GOP, for staging the lamest coup attempt in our nation's history.  The GOP wants to forget about it tomorrow, but everyone else is going to remind them at the polls.
 
2021-01-24 10:24:27 PM  

kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.


Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)
 
2021-01-24 10:25:05 PM  
I wish the reporting on this bill had better accounting.   I only see mention of 455b for direct payments.  100b for ue stipend.  50b for covid vaccine.   then nothing else on a 1.9t bill.
 
2021-01-24 10:25:26 PM  

Xetal: No1farker: Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.

Republicans have no reason to respect the filibuster and have shown every intention to get rid of it the movement it is politically expedient for them. Saving the filibuster while you're in the majority would only protect you while you're in the minority in the situation where both sides are good faith actors. Republicans are not good faith actors, so keep the filibuster now provides exactly zero benefit.

They should use the nuclear option to remove the filibuster and pass what they can while they can. Very high on their agenda should be voter protection laws, anti-gerrymandering laws, statehood (if they have the votes) for DC and Puerto Rico. The goal should be to ensure that tyranny of the minority is avoided.


Remove the filibuster. When ALL done, or it looks like they lose the majority, vote it back in, and then add another measure that requires 67 votes to vote on changing the filibuster.

Play Mitch's game right back at them.
 
2021-01-24 10:26:32 PM  

austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)


If AOC held up everything, she would have been Al Frankened.
 
2021-01-24 10:27:10 PM  

dark brew: Dems need to do everything in their power to nuke the filibuster and ram through medicare for all, mandatory family, sick, and vacation leave, and a $15/hr federal minimum wage.  Most of the dolts screaming about socialism will love it once it is rammed down their throats, they just need to be shown.

/pie in the sky I know


True. But they'll still hate the Democrats for it.

'Course they'll have the Democrats anyway, so may as well get shiat done.
 
2021-01-24 10:27:36 PM  

austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)


It is because Manchin is in a state that will almost certainly elect a Republican Senator to replace him.

They could pressure Manchin, but realize that he can do whatever he wants because if they decide to primary him then they'll just hand the seat to the Republicans.
 
2021-01-24 10:27:53 PM  
I wish they'd call it rule 20 or two ecks or something.

The nuclear option make me think of Liberty Prime hucking football nukes around like candy from a parade float and it makes me sad they don't actually have anything as interesting as that.
 
2021-01-24 10:28:19 PM  
In case anyone forgot why the filibuster is the worst thing ever I present you with Ted Cruz reading Green Eggs and Ham for 10 hours straight just to prevent Obamacare from getting voted on in 2013:
Raw: Sen. Cruz Reads "Green Eggs and Ham"
Youtube 0HJuaQL3KRI

/please dear gawd suffocate the filibuster with a My Pillow or whatever is handy
 
2021-01-24 10:29:05 PM  
Where is my God damn check.
 
2021-01-24 10:29:34 PM  
Isn't there some sort of procedural adjustment to the filibuster that would allow them to retain it while also making it less used?
 
2021-01-24 10:29:38 PM  

austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)


There are 49 other dem senators.  Manchin switches party goodbye senate
 
2021-01-24 10:32:16 PM  

squirrelinator: Xetal: No1farker: Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.

Republicans have no reason to respect the filibuster and have shown every intention to get rid of it the movement it is politically expedient for them. Saving the filibuster while you're in the majority would only protect you while you're in the minority in the situation where both sides are good faith actors. Republicans are not good faith actors, so keep the filibuster now provides exactly zero benefit.

They should use the nuclear option to remove the filibuster and pass what they can while they can. Very high on their agenda should be voter protection laws, anti-gerrymandering laws, statehood (if they have the votes) for DC and Puerto Rico. The goal should be to ensure that tyranny of the minority is avoided.

Remove the filibuster. When ALL done, or it looks like they lose the majority, vote it back in, and then add another measure that requires 67 votes to vote on changing the filibuster.

Play Mitch's game right back at them.


It would only take a simple majority to remove the rule that requires 67 votes to change the filibuster.

That is the silly thing about it all: No matter what rules the senate makes for itself, the next senate can change those rules with a simple majority. This is what makes it useless to keep- the next senate could just get rid of it. It has only survived because both parties have decided to keep it up to this point out of good faith.

Demographically speaking the Democrats in the senate represent a much larger population than the Republicans (due to each state getting 2 senators, no matter if that state is California or North Dakota). Keeping the filibuster allows a minority of senators representing a super-minority of Americans to impose their will on everyone else. Removing the filibuster STILL allows a super-minority of Americans to impose their will on everyone else... but the numbers shift at least makes it closer to even.
 
2021-01-24 10:34:10 PM  

lincoln65: Where is my God damn check.


Dems are holding it up by wanting the whole kitty.
 
2021-01-24 10:35:59 PM  

Xetal: austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)

It is because Manchin is in a state that will almost certainly elect a Republican Senator to replace him.

They could pressure Manchin, but realize that he can do whatever he wants because if they decide to primary him then they'll just hand the seat to the Republicans.


But what does pressuring him have to do with his elections? He can be bribed, even with pork, or blackmailed. They don't have to threaten his seat.
 
2021-01-24 10:36:24 PM  

austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)


If he switched parties right now, the GOP would have the majority in the senate and control the agenda. You'd have to be a complete idiot to try to strongarm him.
 
2021-01-24 10:37:53 PM  

kbronsito: austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)

If he switched parties right now, the GOP would have the majority in the senate and control the agenda. You'd have to be a complete idiot to try to strongarm him.


So why wouldn't he just do that, then?

OK, bribe him, then. It's just outrageous that pretty much all possible American progress is being impeded by one f*cking asshole.

Again, if he were a progressive, they'd already have a solution.
 
2021-01-24 10:40:56 PM  

austerity101: kbronsito: austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)

If he switched parties right now, the GOP would have the majority in the senate and control the agenda. You'd have to be a complete idiot to try to strongarm him.

So why wouldn't he just do that, then?

OK, bribe him, then. It's just outrageous that pretty much all possible American progress is being impeded by one f*cking asshole.

Again, if he were a progressive, they'd already have a solution.


They would also have to bribe Sinema pretty hard too.
 
2021-01-24 10:41:45 PM  

Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??


It's so stupid. If you wanted to end the filibuster, you'd start out this way anyway. Do everything you can without changing the rules & then dare the GOP to filibuster something big & important so they take the hit, not you.
 
2021-01-24 10:42:08 PM  

berylman: In case anyone forgot why the filibuster is the worst thing ever I present you with Ted Cruz reading Green Eggs and Ham for 10 hours straight just to prevent Obamacare from getting voted on in 2013:
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/0HJuaQL3​KRI]
/please dear gawd suffocate the filibuster with a My Pillow or whatever is handy


Please never use Ted Cruz, MyPillow, and handy in a post ever again.
 
2021-01-24 10:43:31 PM  

Serious Black: Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??

They're going to get ONE bill passed. One single bill. That's not exactly much to shout about given all of the problems facing our country.


So only they FAILED to pass this bill thing would be better.

So yes they passed this bill and have more aces in the hole to pass more.
 
2021-01-24 10:43:38 PM  
Citizens united

wharrgarble dems are weak

these things are related
 
2021-01-24 10:44:01 PM  

Phil McKraken: Things that make me climax:

Mitch McConnell finds the votes in the Senate to do what he portends in recent statements: Convict Donald JOHN Trump of being the Greatest Asshole in American History (GAAH, choking sound).

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also targets Senators Hawley and Cruz, and works with Chuck "Useless fark" Schumer. And "fark you" to the Fark dot com filter, too!

Ivanka Trump in prison for 5 minutes.


Mitch McConnell has been waiting since the 6th grade to slam the bully's head into the locker. You go, Mitch! Do it for Fark.com!
 
2021-01-24 10:45:40 PM  

kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.


Manchin represents the poorest and most welfare-dependent state in the U.S.
He's not going to hold up Covid relief.
 
2021-01-24 10:46:17 PM  

No1farker: Nuking the filibuster will come back to haunt whoever does it.


Absolutely. I can't believe the repugs had the restraint to not do it previously. I sure don't want to see the Democrats do it now. It will be a long term negative.
 
2021-01-24 10:46:24 PM  

andrewagill: Corvus: So subby, Democrats are weak because they are going to get their bills passed?

Huh??

It's so stupid. If you wanted to end the filibuster, you'd start out this way anyway. Do everything you can without changing the rules & then dare the GOP to filibuster something big & important so they take the hit, not you.


Exactly.

You escalate when necessarily and make the other side the "bad guy"

Some people don't care about passing legislation they only care about people throwing tantrums. That's why they support people who never passed bills in the entire careerss that did anything.
 
2021-01-24 10:48:21 PM  

stoli n coke: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Manchin represents the poorest and most welfare-dependent state in the U.S.
He's not going to hold up Covid relief.


Sure he would. I'm guessing a solid 40% of this state thinks it is a hoax.

Wish I were joking.
 
2021-01-24 10:48:25 PM  

austerity101: kbronsito: austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)

If he switched parties right now, the GOP would have the majority in the senate and control the agenda. You'd have to be a complete idiot to try to strongarm him.

So why wouldn't he just do that, then?

OK, bribe him, then. It's just outrageous that pretty much all possible American progress is being impeded by one f*cking asshole.

Again, if he were a progressive, they'd already have a solution.


Because he has more power as the 50th Democrat than as the 51st Republican. And he's going to have a pet project right alongside Sherrod Brown in a few years: thanks to Covid the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation is projected to go insolvent right in time for the 2024 election, when Brown and Manchin will both be up. That could be the single biggest issue for Ohio and West Virginia for that election, and both Senators would be replaced by Republicans if anything happened to them. The Democrats will kiss their asses.
 
2021-01-24 10:49:29 PM  

Saiga410: austerity101: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Why do Democrats keep treating Manchin like he's untouchable? Does he have dirt in all of them? There is no good reason why one party member should get to act like such an asshole without repercussions. There are 50 other Democratic Senators, including a whip, no?

If it were one of the Squad holding everything up, you absolutely know the Democrats would have "taken care of it" already. (No, I don't mean murder, but I do mean something potentially unsavory and unethical, if necessary.)

There are 49 other dem senators.  Manchin switches party goodbye senate


Manchin would never win an election as a republican. If 49 senators and the president want him to vote one way, he will vote that way. Crossing the aisle benefits him 0%.
 
2021-01-24 10:49:38 PM  

a_room_with_a_moose: stoli n coke: kbronsito: Difficulty: Manchin
Dems don't actually have a majority.

Manchin represents the poorest and most welfare-dependent state in the U.S.
He's not going to hold up Covid relief.

Sure he would. I'm guessing a solid 40% of this state thinks it is a hoax.

Wish I were joking.


They talk a good game, but no West Virginian is going to turn down free money.
What do you think they buy their oxy with?
 
2021-01-24 10:51:20 PM  

freakay: Isn't there some sort of procedural adjustment to the filibuster that would allow them to retain it while also making it less used?


Yes, it's called "acting in good faith" but since Republicans exist we can't have nice things.
 
2021-01-24 10:51:29 PM  
Some people gonna whine big time when the table turns and there's no filibuster. Beware of what you wish for.
 
2021-01-24 10:53:07 PM  
I wouldn't miss the filibuster. It's stupid.
 
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