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2021-01-24 6:03:40 PM  
Doesn't solve the underlying issue, what's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing.
 
2021-01-24 7:10:29 PM  
Collecting is the new euphenism for "stealing"? Biden's America
 
2021-01-24 7:10:34 PM  
Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?
 
2021-01-24 7:11:17 PM  

RaceDTruck: Doesn't solve the underlying issue, what's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing.


That he knows it isn't a game and he can really get fired.
 
2021-01-24 7:13:24 PM  
Here's the interaction on video. Can't tell which one of the jackass officers got canned... but I can guess. Michigan officers enforce nonexistant laws.
 
2021-01-24 7:14:26 PM  

RaceDTruck: Doesn't solve the underlying issue, what's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing.


Especially given that the next guy in question is most likely the deputy that they didn't bother to fire, even though that one also arrested Marshall. Two were present; only one was fired. What justified keeping the other one on the job?
 
2021-01-24 7:15:42 PM  

limerickey: Here's the interaction on video. Can't tell which one of the jackass officers got canned... but I can guess. Michigan officers enforce nonexistant laws.


It's bizarre that only one was fired, TBH.
 
2021-01-24 7:16:29 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?


https://www.freep.com/story/news/local​/michigan/wayne/2020/06/10/supreme-cou​rt-revisiting-2013-dearborn-heights-po​rch-shooting-case/5332395002/
 
2021-01-24 7:16:36 PM  
Is asking to get signatures technically soliciting?
 
2021-01-24 7:17:10 PM  

FormlessOne: limerickey: Here's the interaction on video. Can't tell which one of the jackass officers got canned... but I can guess. Michigan officers enforce nonexistant laws.

It's bizarre that only one was fired, TBH.


Probably went along with the arrest to back up his partner, then, knowing that the interaction was recorded, went to his superiors and reported a questionable arrest. Just a guess
 
2021-01-24 7:19:28 PM  
Brace yourselves for the riots! Oh wait, never mind. They actually did the right thing for a change.
 
2021-01-24 7:22:04 PM  
So what compensation does La'Ron Marshall  get for false arrest?
 
2021-01-24 7:23:47 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses


1. because it is illegal to break into homes
2. because that is an assault
 
2021-01-24 7:26:09 PM  

RaceDTruck: Doesn't solve the underlying issue, what's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing.


It won't stop the next guy, but it certainly did stop this guy. Not long ago, this wouldn't have even been newsworthy in this country. Now, the cop got fired relatively quickly and cops elsewhere are hearing about it. It's progress in my view. Cell phone cameras and bodycams are helping us progress.
 
2021-01-24 7:26:22 PM  
That's a start in the right direction.  Now make it so this deputy can't work in LE again.  Why was only one fired?
 
2021-01-24 7:27:11 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?


He was collecting signitures for a tenant's association.  That means he lived there. They were his neighbors.Your fantasies of frying strangers is disturbing.  But valid.
 
2021-01-24 7:28:29 PM  
This happened in my part of Michigan, and that it happened in Springfield, MI, does not surprise me at all. Springfield, MI turned over policing in town to the county... who then hired all the Springfield city cops as deputies and assigned them to patrol the city, since they were already familiar with the city. And the Springfield cops were notorious here for being assholes. But now, they have to answer to a boss who has low tolerance for assholes, as opposed to the city council they used to work for, who only cared about how much in traffic ticket fines they could collect.
 
2021-01-24 7:30:10 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?


Because the Supreme Court has ruled on more than one occasion that canvassing and soliciting door to door is protected by the 1st Amendment. In other words people are actually entitle to knock on your door.
 
2021-01-24 7:32:18 PM  
I had a woman knock on my door a couple years ago asking me to sign a petition to put her son on a ballot for something, I forget what election.

I said "do you have some information about him?"

No, nothing.  She said "I'm a neighbor!  I live  like a block away over there" pointing down the street.

I said "no offense but I don't know you OR him!  I would need SOME info about him!"

She was so angry she stormed away, biatching about me to the woman she was with.
I was genuinely flabbergasted.

She didn't tell me his party affiliation, ideas, plans.
Dude could have been a Nazi, why would I blindly sign something because you tell me you're a neighbor?!?
 
2021-01-24 7:35:01 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?


Because we're living in a society here.  Don't like it? - post appropriate signage at a spacing specified by your local trespassing ordinances and then feel free to call the cops if and when somebody ignores them.
 
2021-01-24 7:37:21 PM  
He should have shot him. He'd gotten a paid vacation followed by a raise.
 
2021-01-24 7:40:15 PM  

AbuHashish: Collecting is the new euphenism for "stealing"? Biden's America


You're just pissed that Trump lost. You'll get over it.
 
2021-01-24 7:41:32 PM  
FTFA:  "Marshall told the maskless deputies that he wasn't soliciting money, he was only collecting signatures."

FFS if you tackle a innocent Blah Man to the ground and arrest him at least wear a damned mask arseholes.

/Jehovah's Witnesses are still okay to shoot on sight though
 
2021-01-24 7:47:53 PM  

RaceDTruck: Doesn't solve the underlying issue, what's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing.


Is that the bar that needs to be cleared here? One thing at a time, me thinks. This very much solves the immediate issue which in this case would be a power-tripping officer no longer being in the position to break laws whilst enforcing fake ones. I'd still call that progress.
 
2021-01-24 7:50:26 PM  
I'm assuming that they are now going to make sure the arrest is expunged, right?  Right?

I'd still be hiring a lawyer just for that, given that i'd be having to explain it for the rest of my life every time I get a background check run on me.....
 
2021-01-24 7:53:16 PM  
Ahhh the typical cops versus black guy story where...

Hold on...

Black guy was trying to talk the neighbors into forming and HOA?!

I'm not sure which side to come down on!
 
2021-01-24 7:53:50 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?


yeah, that's it.  shoot first and ask questions later.  it's a good thing nobody was trying to let you know your house was on fire or just simply asking for a cup of sugar.
 
2021-01-24 7:55:08 PM  

FormlessOne: RaceDTruck: Doesn't solve the underlying issue, what's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing.

Especially given that the next guy in question is most likely the deputy that they didn't bother to fire, even though that one also arrested Marshall. Two were present; only one was fired. What justified keeping the other one on the job?


one was fired as a warning to the others?

/always leave 1 behind to tell the tale
 
2021-01-24 7:55:46 PM  

the voice of raisin: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

yeah, that's it.  shoot first and ask questions later.  it's a good thing nobody was trying to let you know your house was on fire or just simply asking for a cup of sugar.


You keep your grubby hands off my sugar.
 
2021-01-24 7:55:52 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?


Remember there is an implied easement across your property allowing members of the public to approach your front door for the purpose of knocking and talking to you.
 
2021-01-24 7:56:31 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: I'm assuming that they are now going to make sure the arrest is expunged, right?  Right?

I'd still be hiring a lawyer just for that, given that i'd be having to explain it for the rest of my life every time I get a background check run on me.....


The first bold should happen but never will, the second bold sounds expensive.
 
2021-01-24 7:57:30 PM  
I'll know when racial politics change in America if someone gets arrested for soliciting signatures while white.
 
2021-01-24 7:58:32 PM  

buntz: I had a woman knock on my door a couple years ago asking me to sign a petition to put her son on a ballot for something, I forget what election.

I said "do you have some information about him?"

No, nothing.  She said "I'm a neighbor!  I live  like a block away over there" pointing down the street.

I said "no offense but I don't know you OR him!  I would need SOME info about him!"

She was so angry she stormed away, biatching about me to the woman she was with.
I was genuinely flabbergasted.

She didn't tell me his party affiliation, ideas, plans.
Dude could have been a Nazi, why would I blindly sign something because you tell me you're a neighbor?!?


I'll sign for anyone to be on the ballot as long as I get information about what the person wants to do in office. Even if I disagree 100% I'll sign the paper because ballot access is too hard to get thanks to collusion between the two major parties, at least in every state I have lived in.

But not if it's just "I wanna run" with no meaningful platform.
 
2021-01-24 7:59:30 PM  

Singleballtheory: the voice of raisin: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

yeah, that's it.  shoot first and ask questions later.  it's a good thing nobody was trying to let you know your house was on fire or just simply asking for a cup of sugar.

You keep your grubby hands off my sugar.


see, no guns involved.  not even a knife.

sry to bother you.
 
2021-01-24 8:06:37 PM  

the voice of raisin: Singleballtheory: the voice of raisin: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

yeah, that's it.  shoot first and ask questions later.  it's a good thing nobody was trying to let you know your house was on fire or just simply asking for a cup of sugar.

You keep your grubby hands off my sugar.

see, no guns involved.  not even a knife.

sry to bother you.


See, this is plainly suspicious to me. Grapes are packed with sugars. Raisins are even more sugar-dense.

So why the need for MORE sugar? Seems like you're trying to build some kind of diabetes bomb and you are on my front porch openly asking for it which is basically in-my-face intimidation.

So how do I not shoot in self-defense since you are pointedly threatening me with your homemade diabetes bomb? Basically I'm theoretically saving a LOT of people's eyes and legs here by offing you.

Cup of sugar, indeed.
 
2021-01-24 8:08:16 PM  
They didn't shoot him for non-compliance, so that's progress, right?
 
2021-01-24 8:10:52 PM  
He must have been disliked by his fellow cops.
 
2021-01-24 8:11:51 PM  
Wait, You can hold Cops responsible for their actions?
 
2021-01-24 8:14:03 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?


You've been even nuttier than usual since Trump lost.
 
2021-01-24 8:20:18 PM  

FarkingSmurf: SpaceMonkey-66: I'm assuming that they are now going to make sure the arrest is expunged, right?  Right?

I'd still be hiring a lawyer just for that, given that i'd be having to explain it for the rest of my life every time I get a background check run on me.....

The first bold should happen but never will, the second bold sounds expensive.


Arrest expungement is almost more trouble than it's worth. It takes forever, in some jurisdictions an attorney MUST be the one who files it (so you can't do it pro se), and there is no guarantee anything will actually happen to your record even if you get the expungement, which is also not guaranteed.

For a bullshiat misdemeanor like this, you're better just explaining in an affidavit why you were arrested if anyone asks.
 
2021-01-24 8:29:59 PM  

BolloxReader: buntz: I had a woman knock on my door a couple years ago asking me to sign a petition to put her son on a ballot for something, I forget what election.

I said "do you have some information about him?"

No, nothing.  She said "I'm a neighbor!  I live  like a block away over there" pointing down the street.

I said "no offense but I don't know you OR him!  I would need SOME info about him!"

She was so angry she stormed away, biatching about me to the woman she was with.
I was genuinely flabbergasted.

She didn't tell me his party affiliation, ideas, plans.
Dude could have been a Nazi, why would I blindly sign something because you tell me you're a neighbor?!?

I'll sign for anyone to be on the ballot as long as I get information about what the person wants to do in office. Even if I disagree 100% I'll sign the paper because ballot access is too hard to get thanks to collusion between the two major parties, at least in every state I have lived in.


I really do think the same way, but god damn, a nazi knocking on your door.  You get those "I really should have..." forever after that.

/IL D3
//Fark Illinois nazis
 
2021-01-24 8:34:30 PM  
It's surprising how many people think soliciting is anytime a stranger knocks on a door.
 
2021-01-24 8:36:18 PM  

Brett Kavanaugh's teeth: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

He was collecting signitures for a tenant's association.  That means he lived there. They were his neighbors.Your fantasies of frying strangers is disturbing.  But valid.


Not a desire. Of mine. But. Not sure why not. I looked up the other case. And they got jail time for shooting someone through his screen door.
For the most part I agree with the jail time but another part of Me is not sure I would not have done the same thing at 4:00 a.m..
I freak out easy. Main reason I don't own a gun. I'd actually shoot someone for startling me.
I get angry very easily.
 
2021-01-24 8:38:39 PM  

Forty-Three: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?

Because we're living in a society here.  Don't like it? - post appropriate signage at a spacing specified by your local trespassing ordinances and then feel free to call the cops if and when somebody ignores them.


My point is, what is the presumption of you completely not bothering a living crap out of me at this very second.
I could be mid-stroke for All You knew.
 
2021-01-24 8:44:03 PM  

the voice of raisin: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

yeah, that's it.  shoot first and ask questions later.  it's a good thing nobody was trying to let you know your house was on fire or just simply asking for a cup of sugar.


Get your own sugar. And If my house is on fire call the 🚒🔥 🚒 don't waste time knocking on my 🚪. I might need EMTs and time is critical. Knocking on my door waste time.

But all fairness I only half mean this.

I do see your point.
I just hate people knocking on my door. Especially during a pandemic.
I'm still pissed off about 2 months ago some cable company knocked on my door trying to sell me cable.
It took all my strength to not yell at them why they were trying to have a conversation with me during a pandemic

Mind you this was two months ago and I'm still very livid about it.
 
2021-01-24 8:47:53 PM  

Kalyco Jack: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

Remember there is an implied easement across your property allowing members of the public to approach your front door for the purpose of knocking and talking to you.


Really?
Hum.
Maybe we should change that?
/ then again it's sort of my fault living near a Jehovah's witness church.
They knock on my door regularly.
I should start answering the door with merry Christmas and happy birthday mother farkers.
 
2021-01-24 8:51:08 PM  

Begoggle: waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?
I'm not sure why I don't toss boiling on Jehovah's witnesses.
Keep mind, I don't think, that guy that shot gunned a woman who knocked on his door got time.  And he did that through the screen door. Anyone know if he got away with that?

You've been even nuttier than usual since Trump lost.


I don't like people bugging me.
ALSO. Some people don't know how to walk away when you don't answer. And
Meanwhile UPS and FedEx don't knock. WTF?
 
2021-01-24 8:53:16 PM  

vygramul: It's surprising how many people think soliciting is anytime a stranger knocks on a door.


He was  soliciting signatures wasn't he?

ALSO.
If I didn't ask you to come over you should assume  you are trespassing.
Leaving my damn door alone. I have my damn blinds down and closed for a reason Fark heads.
 
2021-01-24 8:56:27 PM  
I saw this on Audit the Audit, and then a breakdown of it by Steve Lehto (follow up video after that, since people didn't understand soliciting).

Confused Cop Fired After Idiotic Arrest - Ep. 7.257
Youtube 5Z2fed4d3dU
 
2021-01-24 8:59:54 PM  

waxbeans: Why exactly do uninvited people feel entitled to knock on people's door?


For some things it's the only practical way to contact people.  The guy was collecting signatures to form a tenants association.  

If you don't like people knocking on your door a no soliciting sign (this wouldn't have qualified under the legal definition of soliciting but still might have discouraged the person from knocking) will usually do the trick.  Or a sign that says something like night shift worker, please don't knock, or 'Please don't knock on my door, it disturbs the dogs' or just 'keep out'.
 
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